Mathematics - 2012-10-11 (page 4 of 4)

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10:00 PM

A billion of proofs read me!:)

@OldJohn : but all were easily proven wrong with basic math ( fermats little at most )

@Charlie Does it bother you? "if you know what i mean "

@skullpatrol a little

fermat " if you know what i mean "

@mick I am sure there has been masses of good research into Collatz-like sequences

10:01 PM

@Charlie It shouldn't.

@skullpatrol but it does

The thing is most are generalizations or connections to graph theory , basicly i feel they are making things more complicated rather than simpler.

@Charlie In real life we don't have that freedom.

"if you know what i mean "

@skullpatrol very wise...

@OldJohn : I do not even know a good forum about Collatz

10:02 PM

@mick sometimes the solutions can only be attained by making thngs more complicated - like Wiles's proof of FLT

apart from MSE and MO I do not know a good place

@OldJohn : I know , but still.

@mick There must be people on MSE and MO who know where to look for good papers

@jas Why are you quiet? hey , you know something that i don't like to read?

user19161

@Charlie What is it?

@OldJohn : I compare it to prime twins , despite FLT tools we still cant solve it

10:04 PM

@JasperLoy the word in english :"symphony"

user19161

@Charlie Why not?

@JasperLoy it's weird

In fact Collatz is worse than PT , because we cannot rely as much on statistics.

user19161

@peter My dear Pedro!

hi @PeterTamaroff

10:05 PM

Hombre!

@mick I expect twin primes to be solved before Collatz - nobody seems to have any good tools for tackling it

Como estás? @PeterTamaroff

Not that statistics is a proof

I have never seen a good idea to attack prime twins

user19161

Those who see the proof see me.

@JasperLoy hmmm

10:06 PM

@mick but people are getting closer to it by solving similar things (sum of two primes and ...)

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@Charlie Just one of the lines I like to utter now and then.

I eat so called proofs of prime twins conjecture ( ptc ) for breakfast

@JasperLoy interesting

@mick what's for lunch?

I do not consider that as getting closer John

10:07 PM

@mick have you looked at all the papers referenced on the wikipedia page about Collatz? - and papers referenced by them?

@skullpatrol Riemann hypothesis is the dinner :PPP

All papers on wiki have already been known not to contain a proof of course

@Charlie and dessert?

@skullpatrol hmmm...

user19161

By the way it is "just deserts" and not "just desserts".

10:09 PM

@mick yes - but have you followed them up b looking at the papers they reference - to get some ideas of techniques people have used?

@Charlie : PTC for breakfast , RH for lunch and Collatz for supper ;)

Yes

@OldJohn : Yes

@JasperLoy are you sure???

All ideas are bad.

user19161

@Charlie Yes, very very sure.

with respect

10:10 PM

@JasperLoy Hello, random stranger.

@skullpatrol Hey

@Charlie Todo tranquilo. Vos?

Im off

@JasperLoy are you sure?

@PeterTamaroff muy bien!

user19161

@Charlie Si, si!

Bye everyone !

later

10:11 PM

@mick Don't lose your mind.

@JasperLoy imposible

@PeterTamaroff : too late

user19161

@Charlie All things are possible for those who believe.

@skullpatrol Later, Skully!

@JasperLoy Don't be silly!

10:11 PM

@PeterTamaroff : All mathematicians are crazy !!

@JasperLoy desert $\neq$ dessert

user19161

2 mins ago, by Jasper Loy

By the way it is "just deserts" and not "just desserts".

@Charlie Are you leaving :(

user19161

Just look it up and then tell me.

@mick Arguable.

10:12 PM

@skullpatrol you said "later"

@Charlie Dessert = food, Desert = abandon

@mick did you lok at the Lagarias stuff?

@PeterTamaroff yes i know it

@OldJohn : Yes

2 mins ago, by mick

Bye everyone !

10:12 PM

@skullpatrol sorry!!!

@Charlie np

@skullpatrol :O

hehe

@OldJohn : Did you give me that link ? Anyway I was rather dissapointed. Its a good resume in a way , but i hoped to see something new.

@mick No - I did not give you that link

Unlike FLT related tools those suggested for Collatz have never had big results imho

10:15 PM

@Skull

@mick maybe because it is such a dead-end problem

No elliptic curves for collatz ( or PTC )

(correct me if im wrong )

@skullpatrol you liked that , huh?

@OldJohn : anymore questions ?

@skullpatrol STAHP!!

10:17 PM

@Charlie STAHP?

@skullpatrol yes

I gave a star to jasper :)

@mick I have lots of questions I am working on - but not that I talk about here :)

EUH How do i log out ?

@OldJohn : WHy not ?

oh dear

10:18 PM

What?

@mick I don't expect anyone here would be interested

@mick leave the room, on top of the members above my avatar

@skullpatrol what what?

@OldJohn Here as in "on this site"?

Ofcourse we would be intrested

@skullpatrol no - as in: in the chatroom

10:20 PM

Always when someone says "I don't think it interests you" it's because it is VERY interesting!

thanks charlie

haha above me now

any time mick

@OldJohn I'm interested in everything you say.

how old are you @mick?

bye bye weird mathematicians :)

10:21 PM

@mick bye

@mick answer me!

very old , at my age collatz halts and the last prime twins is before me ;)

@mick SAY IT!

good answer^^

@skullpatrol : thanks :)

10:22 PM

wtf?

sorry charlie

do not want to say

bye

okay...

tuna?

user image

LOL

is frantically trying to think of something that skull would find really boring (just to disprove his earlier comment)

10:25 PM

@skullpatrol Tuna is the only fish I eat

@Charlie Why?

@skullpatrol cause i don't eat fish

Sorry Charlie

@skullpatrol why?

I hate seafood

@Charlie Considering the earth is mostly covered with oceans hating the food that comes from it seems a bit impractical, no?

10:31 PM

@skullpatrol No

If I were at an island or ocean lost, whatever, the last thing i would eat is fish

@Charlie What do you think of this song?

I've never heard of this cartoon...

Welcome back @JasperLoy

user19161

@skullpatrol Hey MAN!

user19161

@charlie Did you look up just deserts?

10:37 PM

@JasperLoy ahn?

@JasperLoy Hey jude

user19161

@Charlie Huh? I mean did you check it out?

oh...

now i see

Jasper always teaching me!

@JasperLoy In the context that I used it in "dessert" is correct.

@skullpatrol that's why I got confused

@Charlie I realize that but so does Jasper.

10:43 PM

ok

To whom?

Knowledge is power.

you did it again

I know :-D

...

@Charlie Being able to remove messages is like having a secret, no?

10:48 PM

every move you make.. i'll be watching you...

@skullpatrol sort of

but i can see them

@Charlie And it adds a bit of mystery.

@skullpatrol and wrath

@Jasper do you like vampires?

@Charlie OK I'll stop if you want me to.

@skullpatrol Thanks

np

10:50 PM

That was easy

what was easy?

what?^

That whole issue

Quick resolution

what issue?

Message removal

10:51 PM

removing?

we're fast here

I see

I'm agreeable.

Sometimes.

Is this the real life? is this just fantasy?

@skullpatrol if this was in real life there would be arguing, fights, ...

caught in a land slide?

10:54 PM

@skullpatrol no escape for reality

Open your eyes.

I'm just a poor boy

@Argon look up to the sky..and see

easy come easy go

little high, little low

10:55 PM

Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me...

To me..

mamaa

just killed a man

just killed a man

put agun

Put a gun against his head

10:56 PM

pulled the triger now he's dead

life had just begun

But now I've gone and thrown it all away...

BUH BUH

Momma

OOOhhh

didn't mean to make you cry

10:57 PM

If I'm not back again this time tomorrow

carry on carry oon

carry on

as if nothing really matters

Too late, my time has come

(I think)

10:59 PM

This is by far the best chat room

$\heartsuit$

LOVE THIS PLACE!!!!

we should star all previous messages

Haaaa

@Charlie NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

:)

@PeterTamaroff pedro, por que no te callas?

11:00 PM

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow

@Charlie Vas a arruinar todo !!

@PeterTamaroff ah.. esto es queen! la mejor de todas!

@skullpatrol that'a awesome!

@Argon yes, it is Aaron!

@Charlie Bien oui!

Brian May rocks!

@Charlie That is classic rock 'n roll

11:04 PM

@skullpatrol That's true music!

@Charlie It gets better if you search a little.

yes, it does

"Nothing really matters..to me..."

@Argon have you ever heard the muppets version of this song?

Anyway the wind blows...

@Charlie Indeed I have :)

12 mins ago, by Argon

Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me...

Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me

11:09 PM

So you thinkj you can stone me ans spit in my eye?so you think you can love and leave me to die?oh, baby, you can't do this to me baby...

I see a little silhouetto of a man
Scaramouch, scaramouch will you do the fandango
Thunderbolt and lightning - very very frightening me
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo Figaro - magnifico

^one of my favorite

:D

Is it true that in $R^d$ that a closed set must be able to be written as a countable union of compact sets?

If the closed set is bounded then itself is compact

@Charlie Gallileo is considered the 3rd greatest Physicist in history.

@skullpatrol really?

11:13 PM

But if it's unbounded, is it true we can write it as a countable union of compact sets.

@skullpatrol After who?

@PeterTamaroff was Toeplitz useful?

Newton and Einstein @Argon

@leo I didn't really check it out =/

@PeterTamaroff I see.I think I might elaborate it in an answer

after all google don't find it

11:15 PM

@Argon @skullpatrol Thanks for the great time!

see you

Bye!

@Charlie later

:(

@skullpatrol Later!Really! It was a really great time we had !

I'm really happy now!

See you !!!

@leo That'd be über awesome.

11:18 PM

@skullpatrol don't be sad....i will be back!

@Charlie don't be sad cause 2 out of 3 ain't bad?

11:52 PM

@leo

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