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8:40 AM
@KitFox Small caps. Definitely!
 
 
3 hours later…
12:07 PM
@Neil Can I add a picture?
To the story, I mean?
 
12:39 PM
And I think this most recent draft has just about clinched it. Cinched it? What's the expression there?
I realized last night that I hadn't made it clear that while she has these stories in her head, she can't really communicate them.
I dropped the emphasis on the deafness and tried to make her say things that make perfect sense if you know what she's thinking, but sound daft if you don't have her internal context.
And I made Susan seem more "yes, yes, whatever you say, Gramma dear" I think.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:42 PM
So. How's writing?
 
tough, wrt to harold and maude. I can't figure out how to get to the end of the story
Jethro and Molly have this big reveal, and I can't think of a way to build suspense.
it needs more foreplay
 
Ah yes, foreplay. I have trouble with that too.
You want there to be excitement, but you don't want to tip your hand.
 
exactly
maybe if I let one thing out, I can keep the other back?
 
Could be. A feint, if you will.
 
how's your writing going?
 
1:52 PM
I haven't done anything with the three parter. I got caught up with this microfiction for the Nose.
 
@KitFox sounds like that's gone well, though :)
 
I'm on the third draft and I think I've finally gotten it the way I want it.
I'm going to revisit it later though.
 
 
3 hours later…
4:46 PM
gets out comfy quilts
sets out tea
 
oh hai!
 
hulloo
 
@MattЭллен sup?
 
not much. just relaxing. yourself?
 
not too much
was anythign set for this week?
 
5:02 PM
Ohai!
 
@KitFox !!!
 
I've got to finish a phone conversation. brb
 
@DForck42 finishing up the things we hadn't done yet
 
@MattЭллен ok
i kinda started on the micro fiction, but i haven't done much on it
 
I did the 600 words, but I've not finished the neighbours story
Sep 7 at 9:49, by Matt Эллен
@KitFox, @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 etc. I've finally done the 600 word epic
 
5:13 PM
Hey, you guys want to help me with something?
I need to reword this: "Eighty years ago was a distant memory, but it was her memory. "
It's not quite right.
And hello, everybody!
@Mr.Shiny @Gigili @Mussri Hey it's chat time!
 
@MattЭллен cute, i like it
 
Howdy.
 
Hello!
 
hello
@DForck42 thanks!
 
OK, so I'm on my final edit. In fact, I think that one sentence might be the last thing to fix.
Eep!
(It's a flash fiction work for Neil Fein's blog for Thursday.)
Am I excited? Yes, I am.
So can you help me, please, please?
 
5:19 PM
@KitFox "To everyone else it was ancient history, but it had been her life."
 
Let me give you a little more context.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with what you already have
 
@KitFox "Eighty years ago was a distant memory, but she still remembered it clearly."
@KitFox yeah, it's a little difficult for me with it ;-)
 
> She picked up the newspaper to read the date. Eighty years ago was a distant memory, but it was her memory. Still here, she thought to herself.
 
is the date 80 years ago?
 
5:21 PM
No, that's part of the problem.
I originally had "It seemed impossibly futuristic." but I didn't like that either.
I want to emphasize that she feels extremely old.
 
if you change "the date" to "today's date" then you might be able to leave it
 
Maybe something more like "It was hard to believe that eighty years ago could be a distant memory."
Or "a memory from eighty years ago could be hers." or something.
"Eighty years ago might be distant memory, but it was her distant memory."
 
JAM
@KitFox Could it really be 80 years ago? Something like that...
 
"Her life seemed to have started so long ago"
 
@JAM Yeah, something like that.
@MattЭллен I want to have the focus on her memories though.
 
JAM
5:26 PM
@KitFox so you want something like "It seemed like yesterday" without saying that.
 
No, the opposite really.
It seems like her memories all happened an impossibly long time ago.
And yet she is still here.
 
"IT felt like an eternity, but in reality it had only been a few moments"
something sorta along those lines but not?
 
JAM
@Kit what if you try expanding it a little, into a sentence more? Then you could get into the torturous channels of her memory or whatever. Although if it's flash fiction you might not have the luxury of extra words
 
@DForck42 No, the opposite of that. It feels like an eternity because it has been an eternity. A lifetime, if you will.
Ack. To be stuck on one sentence is so frustrating!
 
@KitFox hmmm... that's a difficult one
 
5:31 PM
I want it to express, subtly but forcefully, that her vibrant self existed in the distant past, and that while her recent memory doesn't record the details, she nonetheless feels the excruciatingly slow passage of time.
So it's an important sentence.
 
JAM
@KitFox and you only have a sentence to do so? Whoh.
 
shakes head OK, well anyway. Anyone have something they would like to share?
 
@MattЭллен Matt, have you considered redoing the first two parts to make the third part easier?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is that innuendo?
 
@JAM Have you been to chat before?
 
JAM
5:34 PM
@KitFox, sorry, no, I haven't. Brand new.
 
@KitFox If you have the rights to this picture, then sure.
 
@JAM Well, a special welcome to you then.
 
@MattЭллен No, in regards to your Jethro/Molly story.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm not sure how I'd do that. the first part is the neighbours moving in, the second part is people meting the neighbours
 
@NeilFein Does it count toward the word count? Or do I get a credit (1,500 words)? :-)
 
5:35 PM
:D
 
@JAM Do you have a blog? We do writing exercises here a lot and having a blog is helpful for sharing (if you want to do that).
You are welcome just to read and comment on our stuff, even if you don't want to write.
So @Neil, can you help with my sentence rewrite?
 
Haven't been following this (just logged in now), what's this?
 
JAM
@KitFox, no, I don't have a blog. I noticed the notice about writing exercises on the Tuesdays, and thought it looked interesting. Your quandary is a good one to chew on, for starters! Re your sentence, I'm liking the sound of "ancient history" now that I'm understanding a little more what you're after.
 
17 mins ago, by KitFox
> She picked up the newspaper to read the date. Eighty years ago was a distant memory, but it was her memory. Still here, she thought to herself.
 
JAM
@KitFox did someone already mention "Eighty years ago was ancient history, but it was her ancient history"?
 
5:38 PM
The middle sentence isn't quite right.
7 mins ago, by KitFox
I want it to express, subtly but forcefully, that her vibrant self existed in the distant past, and that while her recent memory doesn't record the details, she nonetheless feels the excruciatingly slow passage of time.
@JAM No, but I want to stay away from "history." It is too impersonal, as though it could have happened to anyone or everyone.
 
I think the sentence will work better if there's a specific thing she's remembering from eighty years ago.
 
Also, @Neil, I can't seem to figure out how to upload a pic.
 
Just email it to me. I'll take care of it.
 
JAM
@KitFox, but it sounds to me like what you're getting at is something impersonal, i.e. it's a long time ago, distant. I think "ancient history" might fit the bill but I'll keep chewing.
 
(I don't think you have privs for that.)
 
5:41 PM
@NeilFein OK, thanks.
How about this?
> She picked up the newspaper to read the date. It seemed like her memories all happened an impossibly long time ago. Still here, she thought to herself.
 
What does picking up the newspaper have to do with her memories? What memories? Why would someone's thoughts go from the specific (a newspaper dateline) to the general like that?
Maybe the date is significant?
 
No, she just has no idea what the date is without reading it off the newspaper.
 
The date could mean something to her, something she can't quite remember.
 
It's something old people do.
 
@KitFox I have no idea what the date is unless I read it off my smartphone
 
5:45 PM
Same idea.
Only smartphones are modern and therefore out of scope for the elderly thought process.
 
So then this story can only be related to by the elderly?
 
JAM
@KitFox I can't let go of "ancient history" but how's this: She picked up the newspaper to check the date. Her youth was a distant memory. Ancient history. But it was her memory. Still here, she thought to herself.
@KitFox I changed "read" to "check" given the dialogue about needing the newspaper to know the date.
 
Her recent memory doesn't record the details?
What does that mean?
 
JAM
I assume it means her short term memory is shot.
 
5:51 PM
@JAM That's a good idea.
 
@kitfox bam! another one bites the dust someonelikeme42.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/…
very rough, another weird way of writing
 
Not bad. It gets looser toward the end. The beginning is pretty strong though.
 
@KitFox yeah, i was trying to wrap it up
 
It reads a bit like a biography synopsis.
 
easily could have made it 1k
 
5:54 PM
Like you might find in the newspaper.
 
@DForck42 A little bit of rewriting on the last two paragraphs would tighten it up.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I thought so too. I rather liked it. Kind of like a pulp fiction biography noir.
 
Also " learned of her where about." should be "learned of her whereabouts".
@KitFox Yeah, it wasn't bad.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 thank you
 
OK, well, @Neil, I submitted it for review and I sent you the picture.
 
The last sentence is a bit odd because "him" refers to the thief but the most recent male is Santos.
 
5:57 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 changed it to "the thief" to make it more clear
 
@JAM I think this fixed the entire problem I was having. Thanks.
 
JAM
@KitFox cool, you're most welcome. Would love to see the finished product.
 
@JAM It's scheduled for...Thursday, right @Neil?
 
@DForck42 better. However I find it a shame that the most interesting part of the story, or perhaps the one most people can empathize with, is the Romeo/Juliet aspect, which gets reduced to essentially one line at the end.
 
JAM
@DForck42 thanks for the entertaining read. I agree with most of the other comments - if I were you I'd either reduce the number of things that happens in order to give more emphasis to the crisis/Romeo-Juliet aspect, or else just toss out the word limit and make the whole thing longer.
 
6:00 PM
@DForck42 I wonder if the story might not be more captivating if you turned it around and put the conclusion at the beginning, then explained how they got there, to play up the tragedy of it all.
 
Yeah, it could be the synopsis for your NaNoWriMo project!
 
JAM
@KitFox, OK so I have to find Neil's blog on Thursday? What's the address?
Thanks everyone for a most entertaining first visit to writers chat. I have to go back to work now, but I hope to visit again soon.
 
@JAM Start a blog! Come and write!
 
JAM
Oh, I write. I just don't have a blog (yet). Cheers
 
@KitFox - Yep, Thursday.
 
6:07 PM
phew So we're still on then.
Which means it's not such bad crap that you can't bring yourself to publish it.
Wahoo! I don't suck!
 
@KitFox when is Nanowrimo anyway?
 
feels good about self
@DForck42 November! Are you going to take the plunge?
We'll cheer you on.
 
@KitFox no
that's... a bit intimidating at the moment
and i don't have a huge alotment of time i could dedicate to it
 
I'd do it just for the hell of it, if I had the time.
You probably have tons of time.
I remember saying how I never had any time before I was married with two kids and three jobs.
I mock my past self.
Shit, my past self is going to effing kill me. I gotta hide!
jumps in grey sack
 
JAM
Can someone give me the Coles Notes version of what Nanowrimo is?
BTW @KitFox funny
 
6:12 PM
basically, write 50000 words in a month!!!
 
Which is about 1700 words a day, if you don't do any editing.
It's doable, but difficult.
I wonder how many people succeed the first time?
There is a website devoted to it. You register, submit stuff, join forums, get moral support.
Warm, cozy, niceness.
 
what is the definition of "success", here?
 
JAM
Cool.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Success = write 50,000 words in November.
 
JAM
Sorry @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that's not meant to be a definition of "success," but maybe it fits the bill just the same??
 
6:16 PM
@KitFox I bet a lot of people succeed to write 50,000 words. I just wonder how many people succeed in writing 50,000 words worth reading.
 
I figure I could write 500 words a day, and make up the other 7,000 on the weekend.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Probably none. But there's always editing until next November.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that's not really th epoint
 
@KitFox I wrote 22,000 words in about two weeks once. So if I pushed myself I could do 50,000.... but I'd need a bigger idea... so far my ideas are either too big or too small for 50k words.
 
@KitFox i jsut wrote ~500 in a half hour span, here at work ;-)
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 start on an idea, then expand on the details,a nd expand from there?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, that's the thing. I'd probably end up with a whole lot of unrelated pieces of story.
 
6:19 PM
@DForck42 Well, there you go. Start writing your november novel now and it might be finished by nov 30!
 
what was that one thing you were telling me about, oh so long ago @kitfox?
 
@KitFox like these writing exercises :)
 
@DForck42 Burlap is fine, as long as you use lye on the inside?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Exactly.
Right. We haven't done the timed exercise this week.
Who wants to?
 
@KitFox sure
 
@DForck42 Oh, you mean about origami!
 
6:21 PM
@KitFox it was a writing exercise you were talkign about a while ago, about inverting things or something
@KitFox yes!
 
Origami prose. It's something I invented. Now it will spread like wildfire.
 
lmao
 
@Mr.Shiny, @Matt, @Μετά you guys want to do the timed exercise today?
 
yeah!
I've just finished eating
 
Oh, and where is @Nathan these days? He said he was going to come to chat, I thought.
Let me get my blog opened up.
 
6:24 PM
@KitFox can't today, gotta get going and do some work. But I might try it later on and post it here aftterwards
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Cool.
Um, let's see. Matt did the first one. Who did the second? Meta?
 
I did it last week: "labour dispute"
 
That's right. It was you.
heehee
OK, so DForck then. Would you care to do the honors?
 
@KitFox sure, what am i doing?
 
Choosing the topic for the ten-minute timed write.
 
6:28 PM
@KitFox ahh ok
how about... vacation
 
OK. Go.
See you in ten minutes.
Time's up!
 
give me one second to post it
 
just need to find the boilerplate...
 
Excuses, excuses. You're just trying to get more time, aren't you?
:-P
 
6:44 PM
You just keep kicking it up a notch.
 
@KitFox lmao!!
 
@KitFox lol if only!
 
@MattЭллен travellator?
 
@DForck42 Wow, you wrote a lot in ten minutes.
 
6:47 PM
@MattЭллен ahh, ok
@MattЭллен hilarious, turnign vacation into a sporitng event
 
@MattЭллен Hahaha! It took me a minute to get it, but once I caught up, I laughed all the way to the end.
 
@KitFox :-D
once i started the convo i my head i jsut had to keep up
 
It's very clear for having written so fast.
 
@KitFox thanks. I tried not to mix tenses, but I couldn't manage it
 
OK, that was fun. I should really get back to work. Do we want to have an exercise for next week?
 
6:55 PM
I'm still finishing off the neighbours exercise with a twist. I'm game for anything though
 
I could do that too.
 
@DForck42 thanks. yours is interesting. really builds the tension.
 
How about we go through the motions of preparing for NaNoWriMo?
 
@MattЭллен kinda ends on a nice little note, "everything points towards you"
@KitFox what are the preparations you go through?
 
Well, let me think. I know some people outline, for instance. I'm sure there is a logical ordering of things.
 
6:57 PM
is that in October?
 
@MattЭллен november
 
oh, ok. that's doable
 
So. We'd need a general outline. Then maybe some character sketches. Then a plot synopsis. Sound about right?
 
@KitFox sure?
i guess if i end up participating in those i could make a feeble attempt at a novel
 
Then maybe even a chapter breakdown with an approximate word count.
 
7:01 PM
@KitFox so this is to workon until the end of October?
 
To actually do NaNoWriMo, you are not allowed to write any of the novel beforehand, but you can do these sorts of preparations, I believe.
@MattЭллен What do you think? Should we? I think Writers would like the tie-in, if we could draw in some people who are actually thinking about doing it.
 
@KitFox sounds like fun
one way or the other
 
I was kind of thinking that.
 
@KitFox yeah. why not?
 
OK then. How shall we come up with a general outline?
A sketch of an interesting possibly novel-length story. Should it have a word limit?
 
7:06 PM
is it like a plot summary? I don't know what it would contain
 
i think a brain storming session for ideas for your novel would probably be the best place to start
 
I'm not sure. It would be less fleshed out than a synopsis. It would be just an idea, because we'd then identify the main characters and write character sketches of them.
Then the synopsis would layout the story in a more detailed fashion.
 
come up with ideas for stories, expand on those, then pick one and expand
 
For the 9/18/2012 chat, we'll bring an idea of what we might write about for NaNoWriMo, and we will brainstorm on expanding or enhancing those plots.
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@KitFox sure
 
7:15 PM
I just signed up at the site, because, hey, why not?
nanowrimo.org/en/sign_up for anyone else who feels the same way.
 
@KitFox ok, done
 
Ohai @BoltClock!
 
@KitFox Hai
 
Our regularly scheduled chat is usually now - about 2.5 hours.
 
I forgot I had over 3k rep on this site.
And somehow I'm a room owner here.
 
7:28 PM
I might not actually do anything tonight. I'll probably end up reading and chatting instead
 
Huh.
 
But we have a few regulars who hang out here sporadically other wise and talk about writing.
 
OK that sounded wrong, but you get the picture :)
 
@StrixVaria Oh that's funny. Me too.
And it looks like mine was revoked because you're here now. Or maybe it was my blueness. I'm not sure.
 
heh
 
7:30 PM
@KitFox It's the blue
 
Seriously, how did I get to be an owner :P I've never even been here before.
 
Are you sure?
Maybe it was called something else a long time ago.
 
@KitFox in a galaxy far, far (but not too far) away?
 
It says I have 4 (now 5, after this message) all time messages here, and those can be accounted for in the last 5 minutes.
I had the most rep on the site for the first 3-4 weeks of beta, though, so that might have had something to do with it.
 
7:32 PM
mind = blown
 
@StrixVaria did you jsut go skitzo on us?
 
I don't know what that means, but I forgot this site existed for well over a year.
Until @KitFox just popped up in the Arqade chat.
 
I have a funny way of doing that.
 
@StrixVaria you went from boltclock to strixvaria
 
I'm not @BoltClock
 
7:35 PM
What?
 
then i'm jsut all sorta of fed in the head
need moar coffee...
 
7:56 PM
Hello @kit. I was notified only a few minutes ago, sorry.
 
That's OK.
Did you have something you wanted to share today?
 
Unfortunately not, I wasn't sure what has happened here in my absence.
 
Well, we've been missing you and planning your birthday party.
 
@Gigili i wrote a thing
 
I have to go. Later, sweetie.
 
8:03 PM
@KitFox bye
 
@KitFox smooch
@DForck42 Oh, where can I read it?
 
actually wrote two things today, i was just being silly
 
Haha, nice. I will read one of them now.
 
@Gigili yay!
 
8:21 PM
@Gigili what cha think?
 

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