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00:44
alright, is the statement "$y = \pm \sqrt{1-x^2}$ is not a function of $x$" actually, if we want to speak proper formalese, "the solution set of $y = \pm \sqrt{1-x^2}$ is not a function of $x$"?
what does it mean for a set to be a function of x, I don't think it means anything
you can say it's not the graph of any function
Functions map elements of one set to another set.
isn't the definition of a function the set $F$ s.t. $F \subseteq \text{Dom} f\times \text{Im}f$ s.t. blabla?
depending on your preference, it may or may not be
anyway, it's exactly what I mean by the graph
@Thorgott. Is it allowed to cite a mathwebsite like mathexchange in IEEE paper please?
00:50
hm alright, so if solution set = graph, then the statement is correct
@Avra ???
@shintuku the statement is that it is not a graph
I would like to cite mathexchange answer in my paper
"the solution set of $y = \pm \sqrt{1-x^2}$ is not a graph of $x$", where graph is defined $F \subseteq \text{Dom}f \times \text{Im}f$ s.t. etc.?
@Thorgott. I would like to cite an answer from mathexchange in my paper, is this allowed or not please? Or I can only cite papers and articles in a paper like springer for example?
@shintuku ye
00:56
nice, i've been banging my head on the wall all day trying to find a formal statement for that
once you've made the statement precise, it is of course pretty easy to demonstrate
the more remarkable thing is that, in a certain sense, the solution set can be locally expressed as the graph of a function, but you will hear about that if you learn about submanifolds some day
i'm doing all this to do the implicit function theorem
one of my favourite theorems
it looks exciting but fixing my formalese prerequisites in order to do it is being painful
i think you should focus on the ideas first before getting lost in formalising
01:29
If I have a map from a sphere to the line, is there always a path connecting antipodal points that only goes through fixed points of the map?
@Derivative Huh?
An even function?
blergh
the question is different and I'm trying to find the correct translation
Wait, fixed points make no sense.
Is there a way to circumnavigate the globe so that you only pass through points which have the same temperature as its antipodal point?
okay right, then you have that the function maps antipodal points to additive inverses, and I think the previous question makes sense?
01:33
you have a counterexample?
I’m saying no to your messed up reformulation.
oh and you need to replace fixed points by points that map to 0
You can’t prove Borsuk-Ulam like this.
I'm not trying to prove Borsuk-Ulam. It's a different problem because I have one fewer dimension so I think I can get one more dimension in my output object, i.e. a line instead of a point
Oh, right, one function. Do you have smoothness?
01:39
yes
maybe?
I'm stating the problem. We can have smoothness if we like
So try to use Sard and the regular value theorem.
But I did try years ago to prove BU this way and failed.
that's interesting
What function should you look at?
Circumnavigate is too strong, of course.
$g(x)=f(x)+f(-x)$? In class we proved that every path between antipodal points has a point with $g(x)=0$ using that
Reread your question.
01:46
so I imagined that if you look at all the meridians connecting the poles and each of them has a root of g, so there must be a ring going around the planet where the temperature is equal to the temperature of the antipode
i have achieved the summit of formalization. no one can stop me now.
i am pure abstractness
"There is no function $f(x)$ such that, for $S:= \{(x,y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : y = \pm \sqrt{1-x^2} \}$, $S=F$ where $F := \{(x,y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : y = f(x)\}$"
@TedShifrin it didn't help. I'm not taking topology, the class I was talking about was a first semester class called "elements of mathematics"
bask in the glory of explicit, clear statements
that took over 8 hours of having graduate students yell at me
is this what people call pedagogy? i don't know, but the result is certainly a clear statement
02:01
@robjohn Working on a lead with modular division in modulo 16. Things are looking promising with this: wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x%2F%28x+%2B+16n%29+%3D+y
As part of the reciprocal algorithm I'm working on, that limit there at the bottom makes it even more convincing. I just hope I'm not speaking too soon, so I'm not getting my hopes up too much.
02:23
Oh no, I just looked up modular arithmetic. This is the incorrect term. I'm not sure what you would call this, then, but it does have a modulus of 16.
For computing the reciprocal, what I have as a preliminary sketch is as follows: given a divisor $m$, compute $a + 16n$ for integers a, n such that $\frac{1}{a}$ is in a table with precomputed reciprocals, and $a + 16n \equiv m$. Then $\operatorname{rcp}(m) = \frac{a}{a+16n} (\frac{1}{a})$. Please excuse any potential mistakes.
There are in fact redundant entries in a 4-bit integer reciprocal table. I am not competent to prove this, but having a reciprocal with a table in range $[\frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{10}]$ suffices, and not all values in that range are needed if one can can cheaply compute those reciprocals (e.g. 1/2, 1/4, and 1/8 on binary computers).
Namely, I am not competent to prove that this small range of values is sufficient to reproduce every other integer reciprocal with this particular algorithm(?).
And lastly, in case it needed to be said at all, I make no guarantees about $m$ less than $1$.
If this works out, then I can't wait to make a fixed-point and floating-point implementation!
Well as exhilarating as this has been, I'm quite exhausted now, so I shall retire for today. Good night!
02:50
@shintuku Graduate students?
heheh, graduated too
@shintuku by $y=\pm\sqrt{1-x^2}$ do you mean $x^2+y^2=1$?
why not write that?
now that I have become Abstractness, Master of Formalese, I can say $\{ (x,y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : y = \pm \sqrt{1-x^2} \} = \{ (x,y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : x^2 + y^2 = 1 \}$
the power of logic compels you to agree they are the same
(but more seriously I wrote it with the $\pm$ because it was exactly what was confusing me, so if I could solve the $\pm$ case I could understand the rest)
the argument is actually a proof by contradiction by supposing $y = f(x)$ and $y = \sqrt{1-x^2} \lor y=-\sqrt{1-x^2}$ have the same truth value
03:05
does anyone here know any mnemonics of the same calibre as "Lefty Loosey Righty Tighty" ?
I think sohcahtoa is also good
Can images be uploaded here?
yes but under penalty of death
use the upload button to the right of the text field if you accept the punishment
lol
Ah, it seems I don't have enough reputation points to upload :(
post a gyazo link then
oh imgur is more user friendly it seems
03:12
simplify $\sin y = \sin x$
Clearly, we can exclude (b) and (d)
well, it has to contain 1,1 and it has to contain 1,1+2pi
oh maybe that doesnt help that much
simplify $\sin y = \sin x$, what do you get?
Wouldn't the solution set be all the points on the line $y = x$? Clearly it isn't, but why? Surely you can just inverse sine both sides and arrive at $y = x$ ?
@shintuku how do you simplify that?
03:14
isn't it by taking the arcsin?
therefore, it would be true iff $y = x$
@shintuku that won't get you everything.
oh, (0,pi) should be in it !
@shintuku but does not $\sin(3\pi)=\sin(\pi)$?
so ur done I think
Ah
I see what's going on I think
03:16
aren't the trigonometric functions bound in the arguments?
such that $3\pi = \pi$
Inverse sineing does not satisfy all the points because of the symmetry
@shintuku what does that mean?
but it has to contain the diagonal y=x and the point (0,pi) so it has to be c) I believe
But I have been wrong a couple of times in the past
@robjohn oh you're right, I meant to state an equivalence relation
but in any case you're most likely more right than I am
what relations give equality of sines?
other than $\sin(x)=\sin(x)$?
03:20
$x = x+2\pi k$, $x = \pi - x$
@LearningCHelpMe those are the ones!
@robjohn I get it now, thanks
$\sin(x)=\sin(x+2\pi)$ and $\sin(x)=\sin(\pi-x)$
wait I think wolframalfa scammed me a bit
03:23
@Yorch that looks like a doily that my grandmother had
> Any line passing through the intersection of $L_1=0$ and $L_2=0$ is always of the form $L_1+\lambda L_2=0$
How to derive this?
Think about the unit circle. What angles have the same sign? (Then you can always deal with adding $2\pi$ ...)
I took two lines of the general form $a_1x+b_1y+c_1=0$ and $a_2x+b_2y+c_2=0$ and then found their intersection and used slope - intercept formula but...
Well, it's true only when $L_1$ and $L_2$ are not multiples of one another.
First of all, reduce to the case where $c_1=c_2=0$. Now can you do it? Do you know any linear algebra? (Like echelon form of matrices?)
03:33
Nope but let me try that in the slope-intercept formula.
You need to use the hypothesis that the lines intersect in precisely one point.
Hard to give advice without knowing what course and what you know.
High school. I am doing straight lines chapter.
Oh, OK. Interesting exercise. You need to use the fact that the lines are actually different.
I think my suggestion is best, Get rid of the constants and make the point be the origin.
04:27
Let $\displaystyle f$ be differentiable on $\displaystyle [ a,b]$ such that $\displaystyle f( a) =0$ and there exists a real number $\displaystyle A$ such that $\displaystyle |f'( x) |\leq A|f( x) |$ for all $\displaystyle x\in [ a,b] .$Then prove that $\displaystyle f( x) \equiv 0$.
Let S = {1, 2, 3} be a sample space. Let P be a probability measure defined
on 2S
(the collection of all subsets of S) such that

P(i) = xi
, for i = 1, 2, 3.

Select the correct statement from the following and complete it.
1. (x1, x2, x3) can be any point in a sphere centered at the origin, having
radius R = .
2. (x1, x2, x3) can be any point in a triangle whose vertices are v1 =
, v2 = , and v3 = .
3. (x1, x2, x3) can be any point in a square whose vertices are v1 = ,
v2 = , v3 = , and v4 = .
Can someone tell how this question should be approached?
I tried this: Suppose there exists $\displaystyle x_{0} \in ( a,b]$ such that $\displaystyle f( x_{0}) \neq 0$.

Consider $\displaystyle [ a,x_{0}]$

$\displaystyle f( x_{0}) =f'( x_{1})( x_{0} -a) \Longrightarrow f'( x_{1}) \neq 0$ for some $\displaystyle x_{1} \in ( a,x_{0})$

It follows that $\displaystyle f( x_{1}) \neq 0$

Similarly, there exists $\displaystyle x_{2} \in ( a,x_{1})$ such that $\displaystyle f'( x_{2}) f( x_{2}) \neq 0$

We have a strictly decreasing sequence $\displaystyle \{x_{n}\} \subset [ a,x_{0}]$ such that $\displaystyle f'( x_{n}) f( x_{n}) \neq 0$
But I am stuck here.
Any hints?
05:04
@Koro here is a sketch of another approach. note that $|f(x)| \le A \int_a^x |f(t)|dt$. let $M=\max |f|$. so $|f(x)| \le M$ to start with. Now use this estimate to get $|f(x)| \le A M(x-a)$. Keep repeating to get $|f(x)| \le A^k M {(x-a)^k \over k!}$. conclude that $f=0$.
Hi copper.
Integration starts at a later chapter but since I know it, i'll consider this
the first assertion that is, $|f(x)|\le A\int_a^x |f(t)|dt$, why is it true? I mean I agree with $f(x)\le A\int_a^x |f(t)|dt$ but with mod on left side?
@copper.hat
are you familiar with the fundamental theorem of calculus?
yes
@copper.hat i don't understand why mod is there on LHS of inequality
Shouldn't it have been $f(x)\le A\int_a^x |f(t)|dt$?
my approach may need more continuity that you have assumed. maybe scratch that for now
05:19
Assuming your assertion to be true, the last expression is bounded by M for large k. That is we'll have $|f(x)|\lt M$ for large k giving us a contradiction as f will attain supremum on [a,x]
eh, no.
no?
I am assuming that your first assertion is true (true or not, let's get back to that later). Given the truthfulness of first assertion, I think that's how we'll get contradiction.
there is no contradiction, but forget this approach, you need more conditions to get $f(x) = \int_a^x f'(t)dt$.
just forget this for now.
ok.
@copper.hat: This is an exercise problem from Rudin's PMA.
i think you can use an approach similar to the above but using the mean value theorem instead.
which rudin?
ok
06:24
@Koro here is one approach: We have $|f(x)| \le A |f(\xi)|(x-a)$ for some $\xi \in (a,x)$. Since $f$ is uniformly continuous, pick $\delta'$ such that if $|x-y|\le \delta'$ then $|f(x)-f(y)| \le 1$. Now choose $\delta = \min(\delta', {1 \over 2A})$.
Consider $x \in I=[a,a+\delta]$. Note that $|f(x)| \le 1$ on $I$. Hence the formula above gives $|f(x)| \le {1 \over 2}$ for $x \in I$. Repeating gives $|f(x)| \le {1 \over 2^k}$ for $x \in I$. Hence $f(x) = 0$ for $x \in I$. Now repeat on the interval $[a+\delta,a+2 \delta]$, etc.
i was at a dinner just now where someone got an astrology analysis from someone else at the table. very detailed. that stuff is really back, isn't it?
every day people's ability to swallow unfounded information amazes me.
people who are really into it tend to be able to guess my sign. somebody did it at the table. it's irritating.
its entertaining. i have met some folks who do that but i believe they know its codswallop but it is their party trick.
Thanks copper, but are you sure repeating will give $|f(x)|\le \frac 1{2^k}$?
06:31
i think you can project onto any sign given enough myers briggs training
@Koro why don't you check?
someone almost got my that, too.
they thought INTJ but it's an F, not a T.
engineers are almost always INTJ
mine varies depending on time of day and how useless i feel
i offered to guess the height of everyone at the table. this was not well received.
that's funny. at many groups i am the irritating/inappropriate guest.
@Koro substitute the bound into the first equation i wrote. note that $A(x-a) \le {1 \over 2}$ on $I$.
being away from work due to pandemic caused me to forget a lot about the appearances of people i work with. some people project as tall on zoom but are not in real life. and vice versa. people say i look shorter on zoom, i don't know what that means.
06:35
the technique has echoes of one proof of existence/uniqueness of a solution to an ode.
copper, i was thinking of shortening $\delta$ like $\delta_1=\min\{\delta', \frac 1{2^2A}\}$ and then doing the process on $[a,a+\delta_1]$
etc.
@Koro why don't you just use what i have first.
i like that proof of existence/uniqueness.
yeah i saw that later :)
@copper
why do you want to shorten the interval? really you want it as long as you can in some sense.
06:37
i got that copper, thank you so much :)
i have noticed that i tend to think people are shorter than they actually are.
maybe i have some Napoleonic tendencies.
some of it is distribution of height in legs vs upper body. if it's mostly in your legs it goes away when you sit down. this is me to a t. my wife is the other way around. i think she looks taller than me when we're both sitting at a table.
we both have difficulty finding clothes that fit, for opposite reasons.
my legs are relatively longer than usual. my son is similar, except he has the 6'3" to go with it.
it can also make buying a bike difficult, or so i'm told. at the extremes.
i am too cheap to spend more than $400 on a bike.
it bugs my friend i think, because i am a bit slower than him now.
i just got a copy of linus pauling's general chemistry. looks interesting.
06:42
i had a wheel stolen off of my last bike, and i took it to a shop for a replacement and the owner said my bike was sized all wrong for my body. which i think was technically correct, but i don't do races or even long rides, i really just wanted the wheel. no sale on that italian thing.
i'll add it to the collection of other books i will never read.
i know, i used to always get the upsell. then they realised i was just listening, agreeing, but can you now do what i asked please?
chemistry is a fascinating subject. a few of my cases involve it right now. lots of deep stuff there. sometimes i get to have 2 hour zoom calls with chemists and just pummel them with questions. 95% are relevant to some issue and 5% is just me being curious.
you need to enjoy a little
optical detection is also very interesting at small scales. tons of really interesting ideas there.
i like getting the ideas.
06:45
I say, let $t\in [a,x_n]$ and then $|f(t)|\le A|f(\xi)|(t-a)|\le A\sup |\{f(t): t\in [a,x_n]||(x_n-a)|\lt s$, where $s=\sup |\{f(t): t\in [a,x_n]|$ and the claim is true because $x_n\to a$ so there exists some $N$ such that for all... etc. Since $|f|$ is continuous on compact set $[a,x_n]$ it must attain its supermum, hence a contradiction so $f\equiv 0$ on $[a,x_0]$, which is a contradiction since $f(x_0)\ne 0$ and hence proved.
2 hours ago, by Koro
I tried this: Suppose there exists $\displaystyle x_{0} \in ( a,b]$ such that $\displaystyle f( x_{0}) \neq 0$.

Consider $\displaystyle [ a,x_{0}]$

$\displaystyle f( x_{0}) =f'( x_{1})( x_{0} -a) \Longrightarrow f'( x_{1}) \neq 0$ for some $\displaystyle x_{1} \in ( a,x_{0})$

It follows that $\displaystyle f( x_{1}) \neq 0$

Similarly, there exists $\displaystyle x_{2} \in ( a,x_{1})$ such that $\displaystyle f'( x_{2}) f( x_{2}) \neq 0$

We have a strictly decreasing sequence $\displaystyle \{x_{n}\} \subset [ a,x_{0}]$ such that $\displaystyle f'( x_{n}) f( x_{n}) \neq 0$
no uniform continuity required :)
what is $x_n$? how is that chosen?
i don't really follow what you are trying to do.
First I chose $x_0$ such that $f(x_0)\ne 0$ and then created a decreasing sequence $(x_n)$ such that $x_n \to a$ as is clear from above linked message.
a guy described small scale optical detection as astronomy in the daytime. the stars are there, you just can't see them easily because there is so much other stuff lighting up. and if you add more detectors, depending on the modality, each one has their own noise and you're adding that too, mucking it all up. everything has to be tuned just so.
Why could I choose that? Because I supposed the result to be false on the contrary.
did you follow my proof?
06:48
really nontrivial to filter out what you don't want to see what you do want. software helps but often not enough.
@leslietownes the noise averages out. lots of communication techniques use that sort of thing.
@copper.hat $(x_n)$ is a sequence such that $x_0$ is well defined as per my choice above and $x_{n}\lt x_{n-1}$ for all $n\in \mathbb N$ and also $f(x_n)f'(x_n)\ne 0$
@Koro i need to see a story with a proof. just dumping symbols loses me.
imagine being back in the day when there was no software.
that's why i attached the message above. i think symbols are confusing.
:'(
06:50
waiting a while for somebody in some darkroom somewhere to give you one data point
even if you have $f'(x_n)f(x_n) \neq 0$ what does that allow you to conclude???
people spend more time understanding before software made analysis cheap.
yeah. the point is this: I want to say that there is a decreasing sequence $(x_n)$ such that $x_n\to a$ (so i tried to just construct one to show its existence). $f'(x_n)f(x_n)\ne 0$ helps me conclude that $x_n\to a$.
by mean value theorem working in background
😐
and if $x_n \to a$ what does that do?
It tells me that $|x_n-a|\lt \frac 1{A}$ for large $n$
to me there are ideas and there are details. i need to see the idea before i will spend time on details.
and what does that tell you?
06:55
that tells me that I can use the given hypothesis $|f'(x)|\le A |f(x)|$
like this
i am getting all sorts of ads on some stock page for scantily clad young ladies in bathing suits. i don't mind, but i wonder why all of a sudden?
10 mins ago, by Koro
I say, let $t\in [a,x_n]$ and then $|f(t)|\le A|f(\xi)|(t-a)|\le A\sup |\{f(t): t\in [a,x_n]||(x_n-a)|\lt s$, where $s=\sup |\{f(t): t\in [a,x_n]|$ and the claim is true because $x_n\to a$ so there exists some $N$ such that for all... etc. Since $|f|$ is continuous on compact set $[a,x_n]$ it must attain its supermum, hence a contradiction so $f\equiv 0$ on $[a,x_0]$, which is a contradiction since $f(x_0)\ne 0$ and hence proved.
Here, the first step follows from MVT.
Copper, is my idea still not making sense? or still you feel it's missing details, please let me know
the hypothesis is true regardless, you don't need any condition on $x$?
and the idea came by looking at your suggestion utilizing uniform continuity
i think you are missing some symbols above, because i am having a tough time parsing it.
06:57
so i tried to not use uniform continuity by utilizing understanding from your answer to merge it with my sequences
i really do not follow your approach.
what claim is true?
@copper.hat all conditions are satisfied, nothing is going beyond $[a,b]$ and added advantage (in my opinion) with this approach is that I don't have to consider $[a,a+\delta], [a+\delta, a+2\delta]...$ etc.
well it has the disadvantage that i do not have any idea what you are doing.
My assumption on the contrary was: let there exist $x_0\in (a,b]$ such that $f(x_0)\ne 0$
and I have shown contradiction that $|f|$ on some $[a,x_n]$ is not attaining its supremum.
despite being continuous.
So our assumption that $f(x_0)\ne 0$ was false and hence the result is proved by contradiction.
sorry, i am unable to follow your reasoning.
i can't even parse your first inequality in your 5th last message. i think you are missing a bracket or something.
07:04
Ok. let me post it on mse and then it will have more clarity
generally when i hit a bug i stop until it is fixed.
sorry for being unable to clarify and confusing on symbols, I'll try to resolve ambiguities in post on main
no need to apologise. i am slow at the moment (maybe not just the moment :-))
good night!
good night copper :)
By the time you wake up, i'll have posted my question on main
07:10
threats will get you nowhere, koro
:) i mean with more clarity and much less ambiguity
because here i have asked question in bits and pieces so symbols are confusing
when you write a proof you need a narrative as well. do not emulate rudin.
and then copper will say clearly that he atleast saw my idea (even if the the idea is wrong)
@copper.hat sure copper.
I'll try to make it much more presentable.
it helps to delineate the goal, formally, and then a series of steps via which you achieve the goal. with words that signal where and what you are actually achieving before doing it. substeps are OK but should tie in with steps and not to some uncited theorem from two chapters ago. rudin is particularly bad at this.
it is difficult to write a clear proof. i went through 7 pages in my notebook before i was able to provide my cryptic proof above.
07:14
really? 7 pages?
people always try to economize on space. get the idea clear first even if it takes a lot of sentences. edit the sentences down but not the structure.
mind you, i am a bit profligate with pages.
after a few glasses the pen is all over the page. you don't want to see what he drew on page 6.
well, it was my attempt at the birth of venus with many modern surgical techniques in play
when i went back to ireland last october i found an old high school notebook. i am glad no one else found it.
it had many doodles that might be expected from an all boys school.
clearly i had no sense of proportion back then. i would not use the term artistic.
if you look at caveman art it also lacks proportion. there's something caveman about it.
07:19
in mathjax, i use html <br/> to add new line
what else can be done?
in mathjax
i think mathjax supports the align environment, might be worth looking into
let me try. $\begin{align} A & = B \\ & = C \\ & = D \end{align}$
i no longer spend time on fiddling with latex/mathjax
that worked.
i look at Robjohn's answers and just copy his techniques
it worked I did \ begin {align } \ end {align}
07:21
there is also the eqnarray env.
@copper.hat haha
particularly effective with commentary.
$\begin{align} A & = B & \text{reason 1} \\ & = C & \text{reason 2} \end{align}$.
really good night now :-)
good night again @copper :)
i see so my approach was wrong. This one:
33 mins ago, by Koro
10 mins ago, by Koro
I say, let $t\in [a,x_n]$ and then $|f(t)|\le A|f(\xi)|(t-a)|\le A\sup |\{f(t): t\in [a,x_n]||(x_n-a)|\lt s$, where $s=\sup |\{f(t): t\in [a,x_n]|$ and the claim is true because $x_n\to a$ so there exists some $N$ such that for all... etc. Since $|f|$ is continuous on compact set $[a,x_n]$ it must attain its supermum, hence a contradiction so $f\equiv 0$ on $[a,x_0]$, which is a contradiction since $f(x_0)\ne 0$ and hence proved.
the conclusion is flawed. :'( so not posting it on main for now. @copper
07:50
@porridgemathematics Ah, makes sense. Now I understand. Thank you!
@porridgemathematics Yeah, I actually came to look at this integral based on the fourier transform of a $\sin$-Signal on $[0,\pi]$.
 
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09:45
what's the point of pointless topology
 
2 hours later…
11:58
Is finding a lyapunov functional for a dynamical system like comparing it to a gradient flow? : Given a dynamical system say in $\mathbb{R}^d$, $$\dot{x}=G(x)$$, a strict Lyapunov function for the system is an $F:\mathbb{R}^d\to\mathbb{R}$ (which has continuous first derivatives ) such that $$\langle G , -\nabla F \rangle \geq 0$$ and $\nabla F(x)=0 \implies G(x)=0$.
Assume now that the dynamical system is a gradient flow, i.e $G=-\nabla g$, then clearly we can choose $F=g$ as the Lyapunov functional
i.e "energy decreases down the gradient of $g$"
 
3 hours later…
14:46
Looks like the laurent series for $\frac{x}{x+n}$ converges rather quickly. What methods for making series converge faster exist in general? Wolfram keeps mentioning in related queries at the bottom something called "Pade approximation", but is there anything better? Can I use argument reduction with this somehow?
15:10
interesting question. i think there is a lot of stuff out there but it is not a corner of the world i have explored. is there an application in mind?
@leslietownes Are you asking me or orange is the new f?
I'm trying to implement a fast reciprocal algorithm.
Or find one for that matter
asking you.
Well the application is computing reciprocals.
re lyapunov functionals i have never used them from but from my vague readings i think that at a high level that understanding sounds reasonable to me.
@orangeisthenewf Correct, the Lyapunov condition is the same as saying $F$ strictly decreases along the flowlines of the dyanmical system given by $x' = G(x)$
15:18
@BalarkaSen yeah cool stuff
Here comes a really naïve question
Hm, I said that backwards, but you get my point.
How can people talk about long time behaviour of a numerical scheme ?
ideally, with hushed voices.
I do not know anything about numerical schemes
I would add a note regarding the earlier question though, indicating that modern literature calls the Lyapunov condition as the "pseudo-gradient" condition
@leslietownes xd
@BalarkaSen ahh
that was how it read to me
seems like its adapting gradient flow techniques to non-gradient flow systems
where have you seen someone use the term "qseudo-gradient"
15:23
That's quite right. The gradient flow of the Lyapunov function has the same behavior as the non-conservative dynamical system
One tracks the other
@orangeisthenewf Everyone in Morse theory uses that terminology.
Ill have a look :)_
balarka, i think you know too much.
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thats why im going into hiding
the deep state's trying to do me in
do you plan to work in academia?
i guess i'd like that yeah
15:38
i think you would be a good fit.
thanks. although i'd be happy with any job that i can be happy doing (tautology time)
Hi, a Balarka, Leslie.
Hi Ted
Leslie, did you think about the FA query from yesterday on which I pung you?
pung lol
15:44
I guess pang might be preferred.
What about the past participle of ping then? Pangt?
why has this chatroom no topicfeed? because too many?
i may have missed it, i was absorbed in work stuff. i will look at my records of having been pangt and see what is up.
Thanks.
Pung, Balarka. Clearly.
Ah yes
15:47
i don't even know what a past participle is. like i said, balarka knows too much. he knows theorems, and also the words for grammar things.
you will be the leader of an evil corporation one day.
I know grammar and syntax in several languages. Not so significant.
What's a theorem you wish you hadn't known?
Theorema Egregious
the only grammar i ever formally learned was spanish grammar in a language class for 9th graders who were native speakers of spanish but did not know the grammar. i thought, they might have offered one of these for native english speakers too.
i wish that the kadison-singer conjecture wasn't true.
What's a theorem which is taboo and should never be used?
Theorema Outrageous
anything with a nazi's name on it.
15:50
I am happy Teichmuller theory exists
and Kahler manifolds
and ...
yeah there's too many of them.
andre bloch of bloch's constant fame murdered several members of his family and did a lot of his work in an asylum. we can probably still call it bloch's constant because he was probably very ill and traumatized from WWI.
Hello. Quick question here please, why we did not choose Chemistry as the root node (based on alphabetical order) please? The question is:, "Form a binary search tree for the words mathematics, physics, geography, zoology, meteorology,
geology, psychology, and chemistry (using alphabetical order)."
i know of him
Can anyone please answer my question on the site?
15:57
@NazmulHasanShipon It's just wrong. The geometric formula (base times height) does not give signed area.
avra it appears that the order of the words in the statement of the problem is relevant. i presume that the first word is supposed to be the root and you create successive nodes based upon whether there is something in the tree other than the root that precedes it alphabetically (in which case you add on to that branch) or not (in which case it's a new branch. not 100% sure.
@TedShifrin I know but that's how the formula was derived and it works.
as you step through the ordering of the words in the problem.
@TedShifrin. It has nothing to do with vector direction in space please for @NazmulHasanShipon?
@leslietownes. Thank you. Yeah it seems we should take the words as they appear in the order! Confusing question for me.
If the cross indicates cross product, then there needs to be a discussion of a convention to associate that to a number.
If it's meant to indicate the cross product (i.e., a determinant), then the sign is wrong.
@Nazmul What do you mean, "it works"?
16:01
avra i think we agree that the implicit rules of the question are not fully known until you see the answer. unless this is some routine thing in data structures that i am simply ignorant of, it wouldn't occur to me to regard the listed order of inputs as relevant in the first instance.
although i guess you could imagine that making sense in practice, if you've got data coming in from some pipeline and you have no idea what's next, you're forced to use the order that they come in.
@leslietownes. Yes! Thanks
Look at it to make sense what I am about to say. In my textbook, it was written $\frac{\bigtriangleup ABC}{\bigtriangleup ABD}= \frac{\frac{1}{2} AB \times CN}{\frac{1}{2} AB \times DM}=\frac{m_1}{m_2} because we considered $\frac{CN}{DM}=\frac{CE}{DE}=\frac{m_1}{m_2}$.
@TedShifrin I mean the formula is applicable and I need to use it in many maths, the problem is in derivation.
Books sometimes have mistakes. They are not paying attention to signed area here. Writing $\triangle ABC$ for the area bothers me, too. What is $E$?
"The formula is applicable," but you need to know what it means.
@TedShifrin Hey I forget to out E in the diagram Now fixed it
Most people do these sorts of calculations with no signs.
Unless your book defined $\times$ as something with a sign, it's just not possibly correct. And, as I already said, the sign has to be the negative of what you expect.
Anyhow, I need to leave in a few minutes. We're not going to settle this.
16:34
@SAJW there is too much conversation at times and feeds would add to the confusion.
@TedShifrin Ted, would you please now look at the context part. I hope it would made it clear.
@leslietownes I would have pinged you, if your query were not tinged with work stuff.
the two do not rhyme
Hm, I'm surprised the identity $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 2^{-n} = 1$ didn't come to my mind sooner.
If we take some arbitrary number of terms and multiply by 1/x, we get successively better approximations of 1/x.
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