Vyxal

lyxal

00:01

@user maybe that could be if you have a variable with no name

@user Try it Online!

That kind of works

user

@lyxal Ooh, I didn't know that worked

lyxal

01:09

@Ausername in terms of SLOC, my parser is now shorter ;)

lyxal

01:28

And now it supports variadic transformers

Try the parser online

hyper-neutrino

01:44

epic gamer moment

lyxal

02:14

now to go through the mess that is the transpiler

it's a mess because I have to make it fit the new token system and play nice with the transformers

oh dang

I just realised I have no clue how I'm going to transpile transformers

well that's fun (not)

wasif

02:38

What is transformers (in Vyxal)

hyper-neutrino

@wasif postfix operators

adverbs in J

quicks in Jelly

wasif

I see

hyper-neutrino

dynamics in Risky

wasif

What will be use of them?

(I am a noob in tacit programming)

hyper-neutrino

to avoid needing lambdas for everything

for example without vF you'd need ⁽FM or ƛF; and without those you'd need λF;M

and there are no shortcuts for filter-by, sort-by, etc. afaik

wasif

02:45

I have an unrelated idea

Sometimes you need to group diagraphs together

Then you can just add the diagraphs prefix, type in the commands and close the diagraph

Like if The Delta sign is the prefix you would write like <Delta sign>Commands<Delta sign>

And if it as at the end of line you never need to close it

Like structures

hyper-neutrino

i'm not sure i understand what you mean

so what would abc-ΔABCΔdef translate into (if - is the digraph prefix)

user

How often is that needed? It could be useful if used often

The corpus thingy could come in handy for analyzing that

@hyper-neutrino presumably abc delta A delta B delta C def

hyper-neutrino

hm. i don't see how this would be helpful

you'd need at least four digraphs in a row of the same type

wasif

03:03

We will have more diagraphs later (e branch is adding lot of them)

So it might turn useful

Could you understand what I meant

If ΔA, ΔB, ΔC are three diagraphs they could be written as ΔABCΔ

hyper-neutrino

03:24

but you'd need a digraph prefix to indicate you want a multi-digraph, no?

otherwise ΔA will need to be written as ΔAΔ and that'll waste bytes overall

wasif

We can modify the parser to read single non ending diagraphs

Err I can't explain my idea

hyper-neutrino

then if you have two digraphs in different places it'll mess up the parsing entirely

@lyxal something you could consider adding to your frontend - a built-in character composition system

as an example of what i mean, if you go to my yuno interpreter and type `i into the code and hit <alt>-<enter>, you get iota

you already have a keyboard so maybe it isn't that helpful ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

lyxal

03:43

Keep in mind that I am terrible when it comes to javascript

user

I can try my hand at that tomorrow

hyper-neutrino

is index.html or main.html your thing

i can just PR it because i already implemented it and it's honestly not too hard if you know what you're doing

(though it's JS, so nobody knows what they're doing)

user

Lol

hyper-neutrino

i have apparently written well over a thousand (2k but that includes blank lines) of JS in the past few days ;-;

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino main

hyper-neutrino

03:55

wait you put your scripts directly into the html source

ಠ_ಠ

wasif

what is OEIS.html for

hyper-neutrino

and your style too

@wasif someone a while back had oeis blocked by their school so lyxal set up a basic proxy for it

wasif

And there is a /ash URL view function in flask_app.py did you also give online interpreter to ash

I see

But I wonder why OEIS will be blocked

hyper-neutrino

cuz most people who set up firewalls on school wifis are idiots

wasif

Lol

hyper-neutrino

03:56

wait there's a built-in html element for collapsible elements?

wasif

Yeah

hyper-neutrino

wait how do you run the flask server

wasif

python3 flask_app.py

Before that add

if __name__=='__main__':app.run(debug=True,port=8888)

lyxal

Or you just flask run from terminal

wasif

At the end of flask_app.py

lyxal

04:03

Make sure to set environment variable FLASK_APP to flask_app if your doing it the terminal way like a real gamer

hyper-neutrino

hmm

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino ?

@wasif yeah, I did temporarily

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal like <script>code</script> instead of <script src="a"></script>

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino one file ftw

wasif

@lyxal nice

hyper-neutrino

04:04

ಠ_ಠ

wasif

Can your server handle the load of multiple interpreters

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino easier than having 10 million files everywhere

@wasif I think so

hyper-neutrino

what port does flask run use

lyxal

Just local host

It tells you

wasif

@hyper-neutrino 5000

hyper-neutrino

04:05

@lyxal i implemented my language itself in js and i only have 5 js files ...

wasif

On localhost by default

hyper-neutrino

localhost isn't the port

5000 is the answer i was looking for :p

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino that was an exaggeration

hyper-neutrino

except that localhost 5000 fails to connect

oh wait it crashed

why does it always take like 40 seconds to start up / crash

lyxal

Epic

hyper-neutrino

04:05

(it's my fault)

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino doesn't for me

hyper-neutrino

but why does it take so long

lyxal

I don't know

hyper-neutrino

i don't have some packages installed

lyxal

Ah

wasif

04:06

Maybe you don't have pwn installed

Wait what does pwn do

lyxal

Because they take a while to pip install

@wasif it does the safe eval online

hyper-neutrino

where does package git come from

wasif

I see

Package git???

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino just install git

hyper-neutrino

import git

pip3 install git fails

lyxal

04:07

It's for the post commit webhooks

@hyper-neutrino install git

wasif

apt-get install git

lyxal

And then it works

hyper-neutrino

o

wasif

a

hyper-neutrino

huh never realized i didn't have that installed

lyxal

04:07

Download the file from the git site like a real gamer

hyper-neutrino

cuz i use git bash

lyxal

And install it from there

hyper-neutrino

ok now it fails instantly

after apt-get install git

lyxal

I had to set something up with git I remember

What's the error it's giving?

wasif

Are you on windows or linux

hyper-neutrino

04:08

win

ubuntu wsl

lyxal

What's the error?

hyper-neutrino

hyper-neutrino@DESKTOP-7QPTL9J:/mnt/c/Users/hyper/Desktop/alex-liao/projects/Vyxal$ flask run
 * Serving Flask app 'flask_app' (lazy loading)
 * Environment: production
   WARNING: This is a development server. Do not use it in a production deployment.
   Use a production WSGI server instead.
 * Debug mode: off
Usage: flask run [OPTIONS]
Try 'flask run --help' for help.

Error: While importing 'flask_app', an ImportError was raised:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/flask/cli.py", line 256, in locate_app

wasif

I still have a somewhat little older version of Vyxal and it runs fine locally

hyper-neutrino

also holy shit why is chat rate limiting me so hard

lyxal

56

A: ImportError: No module named git after reformatting laptop

The git module is not the same thing as the git command line executable. They happen to have the same name and cover related tasks, but they are distinct software packages. I'm going to assume that the git module your code is importing is the one provided by the GitPython project. You'll need to...

Heh

hyper-neutrino

04:10

oh that's what the package is called

ok now i see the port number in the terminal

lyxal

@wasif because it doesn't have the automatic site update

hyper-neutrino

epic gamer moment

lyxal

Good

wasif

Nice

Beware of infinite loops

lyxal

I mean I should probably move the git import inside the update site function, but eh

wasif

04:11

My PC turns slow after running infinite loops locally

hyper-neutrino

johnvertisements work but the george loop doesn't

lyxal

Understandable

wasif

What is George loop

The ad at the end?

hyper-neutrino

the esolangs webring

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino I think it's only meant to work if it detects it's on my actual server

hyper-neutrino

04:12

presumably it checks the certificate / domain / something like that?

makes sense

lyxal

It says "no" locally for me too

hyper-neutrino

but the john ads don't check that i guess lol

lyxal

Yeah

hyper-neutrino

yeah it just says "no" in red

left-aligned too :c

lyxal

Because the George part is specific to my site

The embed has my site's link inside

wasif

04:12

@lyxal Vyxal can automatically update itself?

lyxal

@wasif it can update itself internally, but not refresh the site

I still have to click the "reload site" button

But I don't have to manually pull the repo anymore

wasif

It's time to make Vyxal a pip package

lyxal

If you DM me on discord I'll give you the site credentials

User and Aaron already have them

Easiest way to get my DMs is to join discord.gg/BmUPWwe

wasif

ok

hyper-neutrino

wait what site creds

lyxal

04:15

As in "you can log into the pythonanywhere site"

wasif

I think lyxal.pythonanywhere.com

lyxal

As in "I'll DM you the username and password"

Which obviously I'm not going to share here

I specify discord because it's the easiest way to privately share the user and pass

wasif

Email is also easy

lyxal

@wasif @Ausername if discord is unavailable, I'm open to alternative private ways of sharing the credentials

hyper-neutrino

email sucks

lyxal

04:24

@wasif we also have a discord group to discuss site maintenance though

wasif

Nice

lyxal

Mostly just stuff that would clutter this room

wasif

Ehh I have run out of mobile storage

hyper-neutrino

iirc email is kinda insecure

though you can just get them to set up a pgp key or smth

wasif

And discord web insists me to use app

lyxal

04:25

Join next time you're at computer

Pythonanywhere is sometimes fiddly on mobile

wasif

Ok

hyper-neutrino

just request desktop site lol

lyxal

For discord or PA?

hyper-neutrino

discord

wasif

What is PA?

lyxal

04:26

PythonAnywhere

wasif

I see

@hyper-neutrino oh thx

hyper-neutrino

vyxal.hyper-neutrino.xyz

type .A into the code box and hit Alt+Enter

@lyxal github.com/hyper-neutrino/Vyxal/blob/master/templates/… (L120)

Razetime

wait. so we're having vyxal run on HN's server now?

hyper-neutrino

you can just add more mappings and it should work

wasif

Nice

hyper-neutrino

04:30

@Razetime no it's a fork

wasif

2 interpreters

Razetime

oh interesting

hyper-neutrino

since i can't just send you a localhost link :P

wasif

Handling more load

hyper-neutrino

no that's a horrible idea

wasif

04:31

Just Vyxal needs to be added to TIO

hyper-neutrino

it's more maintainable if everything is in the same place

wasif

oh ok

Razetime

i like how the citrons ads are still in the fork

hyper-neutrino

lol

i didn't change anything other than add the composition thing

it's probably not even that useful with the keyboard but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

wasif

Eh discord full site in mobile is yucky

I cannot enter birth date on select boxes

hyper-neutrino

04:32

lol

everything mobile is yucky

oh i also accidentally changed something in the flask app file

i think it was some sort of indenting thing

cuz i added the if name is main block to the end and then deleted it and saved both times and there were still a bunch of random invisible/whitespace changes

wasif

Yes never mix spaces and tabs

It is cursed

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino :o sessions actually work online!

wasif

Lol john ad still shows no on the fork version

:O Vyxal room activity is recently more than TNB

For a few days at times

Before APL orchard fought with TNB in terms of activity, now Vyxal also competes

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal poggers

also I'm not convinced vyxal's activity rivals TNB's

vyxal has had barely more messages today and it's only been 5 hours and it's night in EU and NA

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino because your server actually allows multithreading

hyper-neutrino

04:42

epic

yeah it's my VPS that my friend and I pay for so i'd expect it to be decent lol

TNB has over 6 times as many daily messages

this week, over 5x, last week, over 7x

A username

@lyxal Is this for the experimental branch?

wasif

Oh nice you have a personal server

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino even if I paid for PA, I still wouldn't get threading

A username

I have a bad server

hyper-neutrino

mhm

@lyxal F

lyxal

04:43

@Ausername yes

A username

Its free, so PHP, which is the worst language.

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino apparently they might not ever allow it too. Rip.

hyper-neutrino

:(

A username

I'd have to pay for node.js/python/whatever.

hyper-neutrino

i mean if you really cared and wanted to pay for one you could just get a VPS and do epic gamer things

A username

04:44

Nah

wasif

@Ausername is your server online

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino how much though?

hyper-neutrino

wouldn't be much of a server if it were offline

A username

Right now, it's a broken message app thing, but I can't be bothered renewing the SSL.

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal mine is 16.55 USD annually (though we got it during a promotion and it lasts indefinitely)

wasif

04:45

Ah before we had TIO

You could add interpreters there for free

A username

@lyxal Email as an obscured Vyxal program?

hyper-neutrino

the cheapest one is currently 22.99 USD annual with 1x vCPU core, 30gb ssd, 1/2 gb ram, 1/2 tb bandwidth, 1gbps port (KVM VPS)

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino usd.

Dang it

Aud to usd makes it worse

wasif

1/2 GB ram?

Oh no

lyxal

@Ausername give email and I'll send

wasif

04:47

My email is [email protected]

You can send there

lyxal

@wasif I already dm'd you the info though

That's for AUsername

wasif

I am afraid that I couldn't be able to access discord, I am having weird problems

hyper-neutrino

and my domain is 11 USD annual

A username

I just use surge and make everything client-side

hyper-neutrino

if y'all want i'll purge your emails from chat when lyxal's done

A username

04:49

Ok

lyxal

Check y'all's emails

@Ausername @wasif

A username

Yep

lyxal

Also, my Gmail is [email protected]

wasif

ok

lyxal

(hn, don't purge my email. I want to see if I can get some scam emails so I can waste their time :P)

hyper-neutrino

04:52

lol

if anyone wants just tell me

A username

purge me plz

hyper-neutrino

purge you? o.O alright /s

lyxal

@Ausername did you enjoy the extra little gift I sent?

A username

Lol

wasif

thanks

got it

lyxal

04:53

Good

Now see if you can sign into the site

A username

I can't...

wasif

ok let me check

lyxal

@Ausername why not?

A username

Wrong image

lyxal

Lol

A username

04:55

lyxal

Erm

wasif

i also can't

lyxal

Unless the password has been changed, it should work

wasif

get same error as @Ausername

A username

It produces ⟨⟨⟨0|0⟩⟩|7⟩ when run in Vyxal

So no

hyper-neutrino

04:56

lol?

wp

wasif

what

the password is valid vyxal code

lyxal

@Ausername ah

See now there's the problem

I sent you the actual password

A username

Ik, I tried it then tried running as vyxal

lyxal

Oh

hyper-neutrino

did your account get locked or smth from too many logins from varying IPs

lyxal

04:57

Idk, I can still access it

A username

That shouldn't happen

hyper-neutrino

wack. yeah i logged out and can still log back in

wasif

what is eu.pythonanywhere.com

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino using the details I provided?

A username

But if you reset the password, the other three won't know...

wasif

04:58

do we have to login there

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal yes

i just went to pythonanywhere.com and logged in

A username

Oh the *s were misinterpreted somehow

hyper-neutrino

lol??

did they become markdown

A username

Works now

Probably

wasif

what works

hyper-neutrino

04:59

nice

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