Vyxal

8:39 PM

I think this is the most I've ever abused Vyxal. If anyone wants to help add some more solutions, these are all the characters I have left to use.

lyxal

11:08 PM

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Looks like there's been yet another flag bashing in the nineteenth byte

and people have one again thought of changing the flag counting rules

here's my response

I have said in the past that if flags weren't "free", I wouldn't use them

and I still hold to that today

if flags were made to have a byte penalty, I would stop using them

"but that would invalidate a good majority of answers" I hear you say

and you'd be right

except for the fact that "flags make a submission a different language"

If there was meta consensus that flags were a part of the byte count, I'd make a whole bunch of branches that are the equivalent of having flags

I'd make a j branch to simulate having the j flag, a r branch to simulate the r flag, and so on

and then there'd be things like a jr branch or a rjM branch for all the two flag and three flag combos

so the point is that flags help automate this process in a way

And for y'all saying that the fizzbuzz is 'cheating', well yes, it kind of is. But here's the thing...

I would still beat Jelly without the kF constant

kF simply helps get the score down even further

further

I still beat Jelly without the j flag and without kF

so next time someone complains about flags or compares the whole thing to metagolfscript (I've a certain scottish user in mind), link them to this

show them that flags aren't just making things up as we go

show them that flags are a somewhat natural part of code golf, as it's the Vyxal way of trying to get byte count down no matter what

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unironically my plan with perhaps
except instead of there being systematic changes on different branches it's just going to be one branch with two executables where some builtins do different things in some cases between the two executables

hyper-neutrino

FWIW, I've agreed that there isn't anything wrong with the current flag rules, and a) I trust you have a reasonable sense of what's acceptable and what starts to be ridiculous and b) we don't really need rules around it; someone violating the spirit of the competition with stuff like or approaching metagolfscript will just get downvoted and that's good enough for me.

Basically I said I'd be open to another discussion because I don't want to immediately shut down people and say "no talking" (especially with a diamond) but I later changed my mind about revisiting it lol

also I don't personally have an opposition to kF so I can't say anything about that lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino I know you weren't disagreeing

this was more for those who do think it is a bit unfair

hyper-neutrino

out of all of the flags the only one I'm not really a fan of are H, s, d, C, l, G, g, Ṫ and even then i don't really care that much about any of them

lyxal

11:23 PM

The funny thing is that H only has about two use cases outside of Fizzbuzz (which btw I don't think I'll actually ever use for fizzbuzz)

And they were both so trivial no one has ever said anything about it

hyper-neutrino

I mostly intended my message about being beaten via flags as a joke and didn't intend an actual discussion so that's my bad :p

lyxal

no, no it's okay

I just wanted to make a general universal response to flag criticism

hyper-neutrino

yeah that's a good idea

lyxal

because this isn't the first time it's happened and I'm sure it won't be the last

and my response is what I've been thinking for a while

hyper-neutrino

what if I add flags to my language so the hate doesn't all get pointed at vyxal /hj

lyxal

11:25 PM

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