@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 this is so cute: twitter.com/hyxpk/status/1400844808009097220/photo/1

@Skillmon ^^ <3

@DavidCarlisle quack

@PauloCereda Breakfast

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda aaaww, friends!

@Skillmon Yes!

@PauloCereda though I quite wonder what kind of psychopath those two are, the rabbit wearing the head of a killed goose and the goose standing right next to him as if everything was normal.

@Skillmon ooh a secret

@DavidCarlisle why and what happened?

@Skillmon made footnotes \long in longtable and hyperref checked the definition hadn't changed.....

@DavidCarlisle Ulrike broke longtable again? :)

@DavidCarlisle ooh, so hyperref is again over cautious :) So there will be yet another update to longtable in the next few days?

@Skillmon hyperref issues a horrible warning message in the log ;-)

or is this already sorted in 4.16?

Guess who's got permission to fix pictex

@Skillmon no, to hyperref to remove the * so it checks for the long version:-)

@Skillmon longtable is blameless of course

@DavidCarlisle ooh davidcarlisle/pictex-fixed

@Skillmon it is not a longtable problem, I'm just updating hyperref (but all sort of tests fails because Frank changes latex and Joseph changes line lengths ;-( <-- @DavidCarlisle

@UlrikeFischer ooh let's blame Frank

@PauloCereda no, that's not the right thing to do. We should blame @UlrikeFischer.

@Skillmon ooh teh blame :)

@PauloCereda Ohh!

Nice occupation for a hot summer day!

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 ooh :)

@PauloCereda counter-ooh

I got a badge for knowing two ways of doing nothing.

@DavidCarlisle I'd guess you know of advanced ways of doing nothing!

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle ^^ Queen Mary to Queen Elizabeth II

@PauloCereda ah, TV version, I see.

If I wanted to write an extension to expl3 (so a programming module that isn't contained in the l3kernel itself) what would be the correct approach? Using LaTeX2e packages? Just providing some file that should be used with \input?

@Skillmon experimental stuff is normally loaded as package, e.g. see l3draw

@UlrikeFischer ok, thanks.

@DavidCarlisle abusus non tollit usum :)

@DavidCarlisle I made a new hyperref and will upload it. Apart from the important fix for longtable, there is the fix for the non-ascii labels and I also removed the break point after whatsits (let's see if I removed to much ...)

@UlrikeFischer OK thanks, I think I can update pictex as well, just a few queries re dates/versions etc to sort out.

@UlrikeFischer As long as longtable is working, David will probably be happy. :)

@PauloCereda not sure I have ever used that package actually.

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@PauloCereda counter-ooh.

@DavidCarlisle I used it on several occasions, so you better not make it break!

@Skillmon ln -s supertabular.sty longtable.sty you will be fine.

@DavidCarlisle ooh a superlongtable

@DavidCarlisle I'm certain that this will end up in multiple undefined cs errors... :)

@barbarabeeton quack

@DavidCarlisle I AM SO TEMPTED twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1401169197703569416

@PauloCereda -- squeek?

@barbarabeeton ooh

@PauloCereda What hair color would you choose?

@PauloCereda counter-ooh

@StefanKottwitz blonde? :)

@PauloCereda for present persons for sure, and for the historical personality?

@StefanKottwitz oh

@Wolgwang 'Stack editor'?

Ask question section of the site. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/360033/…

@Wolgwang The editor just does MarkDown - perhaps you are using a site with MathJaX enabled? (We don't have it on the TeX site)

Yes, on math stack exchange.

Thanks :-)

@Rmano I should've paid attention on the "RS-FF" label for the dipchip, that could've given it away that this is indeed a flipflop. However, I'll try implementing a pgfutil-only variant of \xdipchip@if@pin.

@Skillmon Thanks! I have another solution posted in minutes (although yours is nicer).

@Rmano I think mine could end up in the package (if one finds a sane version of the \clist_if_in: code implemented with pgfutil (easy), and a sane implementation of \clist_set:Nn using pgfutil, that also does some error detection (a bit harder))

(pgfutil misses a good reference manual that shows concisely and well ordered, which functions are available, browsing the sources and guessing what is possible is sometimes tiring)

@Skillmon yes --- it would be nice. My solution is much more gross: just do not draw the pins but leave the anchors. The negative thing is that you have to draw the pin you really need, bit it is coherent with the muxdemux thingies that already have it.

@Rmano do they have some list code that I can reuse (never needed mux-stuff yet, so have no idea about their syntax)

@Skillmon no, simply the global no-draw thing

@Rmano also, mine could be a bit enhanced (currently pins not drawn are actually drawn with length 0, just like if one used external pins width=0)

what I do with flipflops is to draw the pin only if there is a corresponding label in the symbol --- which normally works well.

Thinking a bit, maybe just the solution I posted is ok for the generic chip. You just have to connect to the bpin and use the pin anchor for the links... hmmm

@StefanKottwitz @JosephWright LL is back:-)

@DavidCarlisle so did you pay the bill :-)

@StefanKottwitz github forks and CNAME could be easier, it is easy to end up with forks claiming to use the same domain name or (as here) merging back from a fork can easily delete the CNAME file

@DavidCarlisle Looks complicated, but sounds great with fine Oxford pronunciation.

@StefanKottwitz the good part of it is we could blame the person making the PR or the person who merged it, but either way it's not my fault.

@Rmano do with it what you want, I've posted a expl3-less variant of \xdipchip@if@pin and friends.

@Skillmon thanks, I'll look at it tomorrow!