Hi, This regarding the gotra question and common ancestor

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@nmdr In a meeting; will be back in few minutes

Apologies

@TheLittleNaruto no worries, will be here

Hello @nmdr

Hi @HinduKid

Hello @HareKrishna

Hello @HinduKid Jay Shri Krishna 🙏

Hello @Archit

@nmdr Yeah so I was saying you could look in smritis to find the answer.

Also you may need to look into srimad bhagwatam to find the relation between relatives of Shree Krishna and Satyabhama

Combining both sources, your answer can be concluded.

@TheLittleNaruto Yeah, do you have the reference to Manusmriti verse that references this 7 generations rule? I think the rule is much older, I remember reading it in relation to Rig Veda, cant find the source now

I will add your answer, and lookign Vrihsni family tree, its clear Krishna and Satyabhama did not have a common ancestor going back to 11 generations

@nmdr Check this for manu smriti reference: wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/…

I dont know the answer, although i have read that hymn

@nmdr Interesting

now this needs to be investigated in terms of finding the rishi who added this hymn

once we know the name of rishi then we can check whether he was present post king bharata

this could be one of the way to gewt the answer

however this may not be correct conclusion since Vedas are cryptic in nature.

@TheLittleNaruto I can get you the answer, please wait

sure

I have the book thats referenced

Its Shaunaka

or Gritsamada

Let me check his birth details

> The epic Mahābhārata was narrated to Shaunaka by a story teller named Ugrasrava Sauti during a conclave of sages headed by Shaunaka in a forest named Naimisha.

This means king bharata was a past to him

so it is possible that he is referring to the people of akhanda bharata

yes should be, but the confusion as stated by the question its asking the sons of Bharatas to be seated

You can post this an answer I guess?

oh

which is bit out of place, as it talks about Indra and Maruts in the previous verse

anyway, i guess its quite cyptic

like I said before :)

This is the full hymn: gatewayforindia.com/vedas/rigveda/rigveda02036.shtml

Thats the translation from another book I have on rig veda

@RamAbloh can help us here.

as you see the question is quite is right, in the sense it talks about gods, then suddenly talks about sons of Bharatas

He is not ping-able though :(

ok..may be you can tag him on the question?

@nmdr right

@nmdr I can't.

ok

@RamAbloh Any input for this question: hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/43599/647 ?

Since you joined the site recently :)

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@HinduKid hello

@Archit Jai Siya Rama 🙏

Good evening.

hi Vikas :)

🙏 :)

Thank you for the nice link; maybe seems to be addressing The Sons of Bharata with a second appellation of praise: the translator's rendering style is somewhat Homeric/ Classically poetic, so that might tend to be the translator's view when punctuating and including Ye & O, there appears to be a comma before O, which

would tend to indicate that also; the English Language adjustment from less usage of Thee Thy Thou and usage of spelling with Y, Thee/Ye, Thou/You etc and building to the usage of O prefacing the title/name also fits with the translators text: which still doesn't really firmly answer the question; Little Naruto Sensei method for indirectly considering & addressing plausibility of that meaning for the text is very excellent :)

🙏 :)

so the Sanskrit Text is very helpful :)

@MH Hello!

@SwapnilDas I hope you're ready for today's event :D

@TheLittleNaruto Bro I'm watching why Doraemon voice artist left the show :P

@HareKrishna @nmdr Since you guys joined chat recently, want to inform you that we also do weekly event i.e. every Thursday 10 PM IST. We take 2 verses from Ishavasya Upanishad and discuss our understanding on the same. You guys may want to join chat for the same if you're interested. :)

@SwapnilDas lol

Once Ishavasya Upanishad is over we will move to another. We have completed upto 8th verse so far.

@TheLittleNaruto lots of time left before that happens.

hey Swapnil Das :)

@SwapnilDas

:D

@TheLittleNaruto

seems to sound the same, maybe an old show though..

if watching anything, usually nature shows, or historical action :)

@TheLittleNaruto I don't think I have much knowledge about Upnishad. I can listen and gain knowledge. And regarding what bought here, I don't have good story but just searched about English translation of Shiva Purana long ago, and then know about this site. After tried site on philosophy SE and after again think to join Hinduism site as just here. Jay Shri Krishna

@MH Jay Shri Krishna

@HareKrishna Whatever it is, you can answer the same. No issue :)

@MH It's 9th and 10th verses from Ishavsya Upanishad. You can google. Don't want to kill the excitement for the event. Sorry :)

@MH The voice recording studio shifted from one place to another.

I won't be there for the discussion today. You guys takeover.

Please have great evening swapnil Das San :)

@SwapnilDas

Swapnil Das San :)

@TheLittleNaruto you know the verse of Valmiki - मा निषाद प्रतिष्ठां, Jagadguru Ramabhadracharya has given many (he says 108) different explanations of the same shloka. They all carry different meanings

@MH :)

:)

Namaskar.

I remain busy and can't participate in chat event for past 2 weeks

it is nice to see you :)

hey Rht :)

@rht

Hello 🙏

:)

hello

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@Archit Woah! That's many of them.

yes: more than two! :D

@Pandya Thanks for the notification lol. But we wish to see you participating every week regardless you being busy or not. Doesn't matter :P

yes :)

@SwapnilDas Are you back?

@Pandya @TheLittleNaruto @MH What is the meaning of Dhatar in rig veda?

@rht Which hymn?

I think word dhatar comes in the creation section.

number please

last part of creation section I think

That is not much of help tbh. creation section is not small

I tried to search on google but it says 'upholder' something

wait I will copy paste the verse

HYMN CXC. Creation.

Dhātar, the great Creator, then formed in due order Sun and Moon.

@rht May I ask if this statement also follow modern science?

I can't say but people do claim vedas have hidden meaning.

@rht So formed Sun and Moon can mean something else also?

@rht Link please

@Vikas yes

well, maybe could imply Planets etc

@TheLittleNaruto ok

@TheLittleNaruto I copy pasted it from ebook I don't have link.

@HinduKid Please come online and share the verse :)

But that way anyone can argue on every statement that it has hidden meaning.

will look for one quick :)

@rht You need to tell which mandala is it as well

:)

or sometimes additional implied meaning etc

sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10190.htm @TheLittleNaruto

maybe Rig Veda 10.190.3 , but could be a dubious source..

(showing up in a modified ggl search from this region)

@rht it's dhata which means vidhata or parmatma

@MH no problem :-)

Thanks for sharing, can you provide link

@rht copied it from an Android app

@TheLittleNaruto

which app

hi Pandya :)

@rht this one: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bhartiyadarshan.veda

@MH yes please

Ishavasya Upanishad Verse 9 from Wisdomlib. org :

Thank you

So let's start the event with verse 9 as shared above.

"They who worship Avidya alone fall into blind darkness;"

Ishavasya Upanishad Verse 10 from wisdom lib .org is also prepared for post :)

Here avidya means ignorance

yes

hey Twinkle :)

Hii @everyone

being ignorant of parmatma and being inclined to materialistic world

@TheLittleNaruto Thanks 🙏

being after greed money lust luxury is also termed as avidya

So upanishad teaches us that whoever is after this avidya falls into blind darkness and stays there forever

And then it says, "they who worship Vidya alone fall into even greater darkness"

yes...

Haha😀

Irony

As per my understanding(which may be wrong), here vidya is referred as the rituals we perform with expectation of fruits. such rituals will take the worshipper into even greater darkness

could that be a sort of specialised sense of 'vidya' ?

which basically can be interpreted as that a desire-less karma is required to approach parmatma

yes, something more like that, cf True Reality

Alright

Do you guys want to add your own understanding here?

Or is the verse clear to all of you? :) @MH @rht @Twinkle @Vikas

@TheLittleNaruto It's all too difficult for me. Even the topic.

@TheLittleNaruto I didn't read this upanishad, So I can't say without doing complete reading.

@Vikas @rht ok no problem let it take time. :)

:)

@MH yeah infact 10, 11 and 12 are supporting verses.

😊😊

But we will discuss only verse 10 today

I like 11 verse

So like I was saying by vidya it means the rituals we perform.

Everyone knows sanskrit here?

For example there is certain yajna to bring rains right

Also one who pursuit avidya that is materialistic world, their results is also well known

So all these are told by our ancestors and that's how we know about them.

yes :)

verse 10 is pretty much simple and clear

We will see next verses in next week

Thank y'all for your participations.

Thanks for your effort. ☺

@rht @MH :)

V 10: ~taught us about both ..

Yes

verse 11 is also good.

@rht yeah and so is 12. we will discuss them on next Thursday event.

🙏 🙏 🙏 :)

Ok

🙏

thank you Twinkle San :)

Off topic: By any chance you're fan of me? @rht ^^

@Twinkle

😀 Haha

😂😂

:D

Sayonara, Gn 🙏

@MH lol you never tire thanking me without any reason :P :)

@rht Good Night rht kun ;-)

so id on't know sanskrit, ican't undersatnd

@Vikas Japanese are too much down to earth people. They show extra emotional effort for the gratitude. That's why you'll see @MH kun would never get tired of thanking without any reason.

@MH Am I right?

@Vikas You can always check English translation, right?

@TheLittleNaruto M H is from Japan?

@Vikas Yes

@TheLittleNaruto Oh great

@MH :)

With this I shall take off for the day.

Good night guys

@MH Good night!

:)

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@Archit That's true. It's the same with the chatroom.