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1:53 AM
@AviFS Could you simply call the system function, instead of mapping it?
 
@Memberfor3months Shoot! I should seriously be asleep
@Memberfor3months Will try to answer and be off!
But not sure I understand well enough...
The idea is you don't process the input step by step like with most procedural langs, which is what calling implies. Instead you tell it what things mean so it can do it
Potentially like the bit in prolog @AdHocGarfHunter mentioned (dcfg or something)? With the arrows
So, if I understand correctly: No explicit calling, only mapping
 
But then, if you map an uncallable function, you have the capability of calling it...
This is totally bizzare.
 
 
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11:53 AM
Say, is there some way to easily create a try it online version of an esolang
Like not on TIO but like a github pages site etc
And what's the best way to convert python to js without having to manually convert it line by line?
 
12:17 PM
@Memberfor3months What do you mean?
@Lyxal I hope someone is able to answer with a good way to do this. My patchwork way is usually just to write the interpreter in the header, and then call main in the footer, and just hide the two, so that the code can be written in the code box and the header/footer ignored...
 
12:49 PM
Forgot to include example of what I meant:
If you just hide the header/footer, it's good as new!
 
@Lyxal Th easiest way is probably to just get it on TIO :P
Although that's probably not that easy rn
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing What I demoed above is even easier IMO
 
@AviFS Yeah, but its no where near as practical
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Speaking of, anyone know why @Dennis isn't accepting pull requests lately to do something as uncontroversial as add a new lang
 
@AviFS Dennis has been dealing with some pretty major personal issues for the last couple of months
Check the starred posts in talk.tryitonline for more conext
@AviFS Also, I think pings only work if a user has been in the room before
 
12:53 PM
@AviFS Sometimes the langauge is so complex that it involves multiple files.
How are you going to solve this?
 
@Third-party'Chef' Is it not possible to one-file-ify all programs?
@Third-party'Chef' Changed your name again ⍤⍥⍤
 
@Third-party'Chef' Another username change?
@AviFS It's probably very difficult for some
I wouldn't want to try to "single-file" Jelly
 
Also it's going to slow TIO down...
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I see... and is there a way to read in files from elsewhere on the net?
 
@AviFS Not on TIO
You can write to files on TIO, using bash
 
12:55 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing I see. That was probably a good idea on designer's part
 
SO that might work
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Hmm
@cairdcoinheringaahing Haha, I know
@cairdcoinheringaahing Super sorry to hear that :(
 
@AviFS Yeah :( From what I can gather it's been a really tough time for him
The support from the community made me really happy tho
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing :(((
 
With Dennis's clever brain, he's definitely going to golf the process of dealing with these problems.
 
12:59 PM
@Third-party'Chef' Hahaha
 
Q: When you tokenise/parse a language, do you prefer to user regex or not?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't know regex
 
@Third-party'Chef' That's a pretty big hint towards your preference then :P
It's like a lot of things in programming: super useful, but also insanely irritating
 
If we could use Awk for parsing...
(Well, every language (I mean Python version) has a built-in for system commands)
 
@Third-party'Chef' I can think of a few that don't
stares at brainfuck
 
1:10 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing You're saying Guido van Rossum is Urban Müller now...
 
@Third-party'Chef' Dear future readers: check the edit history of @Third-party'Chef''s message :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I just wasn't clear enough. I accidentally pressed enter...
 
Wanted to share from talk.tryitonline.net, please star for other's future reference!
Eg. here it is applied to what I wrote earlier: Decompress Trivial Python Interpreter
 
@AviFS FYI, as the room owner, you can pin messages to the starboard
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I see! Thanks!
Super good to know, although pinning is probably over the top for this
Just a star or two, I suppose :)
@cairdcoinheringaahing But I have been wondering about that, so thanks!
 
1:17 PM
@AviFS Uh-oh, I starred the wrong message.
 
Also, have people noticed that if you go to talk.tryitonline.net it actually redirects you to the chatroom?
@Third-party'Chef' LOL, no worries
You can destar, too, if you want
Just click again
 
I'd like to keep it, for future readers.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing It's the same thing in the history, no?
@Third-party'Chef' Haha, trollster
 
@AviFS That's quite cool. The links for languages on TIO used to be {language name}.tryitonline.net, so it's a good thing noone did this :P
@AviFS The history shows the original message
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Hahahahaha, too funny!!
@cairdcoinheringaahing That still works! Eg set.tryitonline.net
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah, but the original looked the same
 
1:21 PM
@AviFS Let's hope noone ever creates a language called talk then
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I did, Dennis has good faith to not add it to TIO.
 
@AviFS Chef added in the Python versions bit
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Hahaha, someone is definitely bound to, for pure spite!
 
@Third-party'Chef' Good thing that it can't get added to TIO
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing But you replied to the Guido van Rossum message...
@Third-party'Chef' That's too funny!
 
1:23 PM
@AviFS I think its clear which message's history I meant
@Third-party'Chef' Also, it can't output Hello, World!
So it wouldn't ever get added to TIO
 
@Third-party'Chef' Upvoted!
@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought so too... the one you replied to...
 
Compiling -sin(x) to runnable code in my new language: BinaryOp(left = Variable(None, -1), op = '⋅', right = UnaryOp('Prefix', op = 'sin'))
@AviFS Guess the future readers will have to just scroll down some more if they're also confused :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Still confused ⍤
 
@Third-party'Chef' Dear future readers: check the edit history of @Third-party'Chef''s message :P
That clear it up?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Next time I'm going to change my username to 'future readers'.
 
1:26 PM
Why do you keep changing it?
And isn't this like your third account?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing My previous two accounts are First-party 'Chef' and Second-party 'Chef'.
 
Looks more like "user85052" to me :P
 
@AviFS Evidently, they were still improving it, and this is the final version. Don't honestly see how it's any better though:
 
1:40 PM
Avi's motto: Hahahahaha
I mean pet phrase, wrong word...
I'm with myself again!
And now, what topic am I going to introduce here?
 
1:58 PM
If you don't have anything to say, don't say anything
 
The language is unlinkable!?
 
@Third-party'Chef' Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
 
watches Avi descend into madness
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Watches as Avi explores the maximum comment length
 
@Third-party'Chef' I think its around 60000 characters
Mess around with chat here
 
2:02 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing You should say that to Avi...
 
@Third-party'Chef' LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
:(((((
I miscalculated... I guess this is what happens with a non-monospaced font...
Last one was 85 characters
 
Yes!!! I linked to the language successfully!
 
@Third-party'Chef' SUPER cracked me up beyond control
Honestly!!!
Shoot, I'm being heavily censored, have to wait 10 seconds between posts and edits now ⍥
@Third-party'Chef' Anyway, super appreciate it! Made my day
@cairdcoinheringaahing True, thanks for the link! But then again, why spam them, when I can do so here
 
@AviFS Because that's the point of that room, not this one
 
@AviFS Esolang Sandbox - Discuss New Esolang Ideas
@cairdcoinheringaahing It's true madness... Avi F.S. version 2
 
2:06 PM
Haha, true. I didn't really think that constituted actual spamming though... Does it?
I thought editing was fine...
 
@AviFS Ultimately its up to you as RO
 
My other 'pet phrase' is punctuation re: using '...'
 
@AviFS The room owners are the best magicians.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing We're democratic!
I'm curious whether it's annoying
 
They can make all of the chatroom users disappear all at once!
 
2:08 PM
Personally, I just ignore rooms when stuff like ^^^ is going on
 
I would've though it was completely innocuous to edit ad infinitum
@Third-party'Chef' Haha
 
I might make an odd comment from time to time, but, IMO, unless the room is specially for that, I'm not really a fan
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Uh oh, which particular sort of stuff?
 
But I'm not going to stop people having fun if it doesn't get in the way of ontopic convos
 
@AviFS ha... I can't do that a second time. It's not that funny.
 
2:09 PM
@AviFS The spamming off-topic messages, mainly
As I said, if people are having fun, I'm not going to ask them to stop, unless I have something on-topic to talk about
I'm just going to ignore the chatroom until it quiets down
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing The something on-topic can always be asking them to stop.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Mind pointing me to which ones felt spammy? I'd like to be more aware of the sorts of things that bug users ("room-mates")
 
14 mins ago, by Third-party 'Chef'
And now, what topic am I going to introduce here?
Not exactly spamming, but completely unnecessary
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I've already introduced a topic...
Want me to link to it again?
 
@Third-party'Chef' Definitely, no offense taken if you say that! We can always move to a different room to chat our sillies out
 
2:11 PM
You can see my thoughts on the message in my response when it was first sent
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Even though the condition is invalidated, the if statement is still executed.
 
I dropped the link to the Sandbox room after this message, because the conversation could very easily devolve into people just sending super long messages of "Hahah" or "lol", which is defintely spammy
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I see... Is it worth re-opening the old esolang room and keeping that as a more strictly on-topic room, with this as a slightly more laid back one? Or not worse splitting users?
 
If you execute it again, then the if statement won't work again.
 
@AviFS Nah, its not worth it
 
2:13 PM
Goto 54862064
 
Again, if you guys want to mess around, I have no issue with that
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Because it's Avi's chatroom.
 
I'm just going to point you to somewhere it might be more appropriate
@Third-party'Chef' Yeah, I have no right to tell other people what to do, especially in a room I'm not an owner of
 
I totally see where you're coming from; it makes a lot of sense. I'm also more than sure lots of other people will, and do, feel the same way. I'm afraid I just don't have it in me to moderate that sort of silliness
 
@AviFS I'm not asking you to either
I was simply suggesting that moving to the Sandbox might be a better idea than continuing being silly here
 
2:15 PM
Could anyone please create an esolang based on this conversation?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Another idea would be to maybe make others of you owners, which I should probably do anyway, and let you moderate the stricter way, which I'm sure many people like Monday-Thursday, and then have it be laid back Friday-Sunday
Which I would then add to the rules in the description
 
Same way that if we were challenging each other to do tasks in Jelly, it'd probably be better to move to JHT
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing That I completely agree with!
 
@AviFS Even as an RO, I wouldn't stop silliness, just suggest it'd be better somewhere else
And people would be completely fine to ignore me
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing If we are challenging each other to do tasks in 05AB1E, it'd be better to move to 05AB1E/Oasis (the frozen room).
 
2:16 PM
@Third-party'Chef' Yeah exactly
 
Somehow though, silliness that's still related to this feels on-topic in a way that Jelly challenges & APL questions don't...
 
See this ^^, what Chef is doing right now, is the start of spamming
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing But honestly, I'm looking to come up with a way to run the room that keeps as many people, and as many different types of people, happy and feeling welcome.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah exactly
 
We got the point after the Jelly example, the 05AB1E example was perfectly fine, as it helps make the point
Anything after that is just unnecessary noise
@AviFS Obviously, you won't be able to keep everyone happy
 
2:19 PM
We're still in the beginning stages, and I'm very open to ways of making it more appealing to more people
 
But I usually try to follow the TNB Chatiquette, whether chatting or as an RO
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing 'Course. But I do think those of us who favor silliness are in the minority
So I'm honestly thinking about the 'weekends off' idea
 
Doesn't the idea of "scheduled silliness" sort of negate the point of silliness?
> Be considerate of other chatters.
That's the main maxim IMO
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Thought we were following that, since it wasn't getting in the way of any on-topic conversation
 
> Sometimes, there isn't anybody talking in chat. That's perfectly fine. Don't send messages just because the room is quiet.
 
2:21 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing Of course! But I thought we were. It's just the golden rule; about the most wibbly wobbly regulation you could possibly set
Just short of meaningless
 
> posting nonsense that makes it harder to follow conversations.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Well, that is true...
@cairdcoinheringaahing Again, nonsense is highly subjective
 
@AviFS For someone who doesn't have any sense, e.g. vision or touch.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I disagree. It's not 'scheduled' silliness
@Third-party'Chef' LOL
It's allowing people to be more laid back some of the time
 
I'm not trying to call anyone out I'm just letting people know how I feel about stuff that others may have a different opinion to me
 
2:23 PM
And saying we expect a more down-to-earth demeanor some of the time
@cairdcoinheringaahing I know. But I am. I'm aware that many, many, and likely most, feel the way you do
And it'd be nice to have a system that appealed to both sorts
Anyway, the rule I will enforce is that off-topic should never get in the way of on-topic
If ever frustrated by silliness, please bring up something on-topic, and I'll make sure we get back to that!
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Is that reasonable for now?
 
Hold on, writing a long message
 
Also, I'll reiterate that I'm alway receptive to "Please, not now" and will ensure others are receptive as well
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Lorem Ipsum?
 
Ok. IMO, there's nothing wrong with having a bit of fun. Chef's messages highlighting how much Avi says Haha are off-topic, but they're the odd message, not disrupting any conversation and are a fun joke. After that, leaning into the joke with the long Haha message is again, fine. It's a welcome bit of humour. But it also can easily descend into spamming and noise. I linked the Sandbox as a response to Chef's message, as a pointer, saying "if you want to experiment with chat, do it there, not here" as there is a specific room for random messages and messing around. The idea of having a spec
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I could use it to showcase my font!
 
2:33 PM
Rant over :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Couldn't be in greater agreement! To honor the idea of your message, I'll let this whole conversation end here. But I want to reiterate that if it ever seems like it's just getting out of hand anyway, I'm open to ideas and more than happy to implement the 'weekend off' idea with people in @cairdcoinheringaahing's boat having the reigns the longer half. Aka, Monday-Thursday
I better go now, but want to start us off in the right direction. On-topic starts here:
@cairdcoinheringaahing @Third-party'Chef' Anything you wanted to discuss/ask?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing IMO that's a really imformative message! Thanks for sharing that!
 
@AviFS I'm good, still working on Whispers v3
 
@Third-party'Chef' Agreed! Super appreciated the feedback
@cairdcoinheringaahing Sounds good. Well I'll be off now! All the best 'til later
 
2:40 PM
@AviFS I consider it as the pet symbol, not the pet phrase.
Because, '...' is a set of two symbols.
@AviFS You're not elected, you chose yourself as the room owner.
To be fair let's make everyone the room owner
 
@Third-party'Chef' Have been considering it, but also seems potentially chaotic. Will certainly make more people owners after some amount of time/trust in the room I haven't figured out though
@Third-party'Chef' The idea is to be a BLFL
It is democratic in the sense that I don't do anything without everyone's consensus
 
Beginning Lower Flammable Limit
 
If no consensus then vote
 
@AviFS Idk, I didn't vote to allow you to send that message :P
#absolutedemocracy
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Haha, got me there...
Only thing I've done without asking is pin one message. But that was a solution to an issue brought up by another person. You can ask me to pin as well
 
2:45 PM
this is now the official off-topic version of The Nineteenth Byte.
 
@mypronounismonicareinstate :(((
 
@mypronounismonicareinstate The Nineteenth Byte doesn't have anyone there...
Anyway, this room deserves a lot of activity.
 
@mypronounismonicareinstate I was just going to say that I think I made my point, and will be off to let people talk about something more productive!
But if anyone is concerned with the leadership model, please don't hesitate to let me know
This seems more stable than absolute anarchy with everyone able to do anything without first discussing it. I'm trying to make sure decisions are chatted about before being done
 
@mypronounismonicareinstate TBH all we need is for Adam, Bubbler, Lyxal and Neil to move here and it's basically TNB without the feeds
 
Alright! Am off
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing You guys are making me cry ;(
 
@AviFS Probably encourages more people to join us then!
 
@AviFS More of a commentary on TNB than here
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Haha, well in that case!
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing And John Dvorak.
 
2:49 PM
It does make me sad that TNB has 11 owners and not a single one of them in currently in the room
I remember a year ago when TNB always had at least 2 mods and 5 ROs at any point
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing 3 RO's without being mods.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing TBH I remember when we had so many mods there was a genuine conversation about some of them stepping down because we didn't need that many :(
But why?
 
> ... because we didn't need that many
You've literally just answered your question in your previous message...
 
I was asking why you sent the messages "you can spam messages" "and then just delete them"
Given that you can just not send them in the first place
 
I wonder if chat flagging is a good idea at this point (probably not)
 
2:56 PM
Yeah, I'm considering that as well
 
Thanks a lot to the democracy, this room can't have two Room Owners at once.
 
3:09 PM
@Third-party'Chef' Personally, I enjoy the fun, but the democracy seems to be clearly expressing that they'd rather us have these conversations elsewhere, for now, when they're this extensive...
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing You have to go to bed though.
 
@Third-party'Chef' Its a room specifically for spam; sleep typing would be perfectly on topic there
 
Tried unsuccessfully to label what I relocated by theme. Help?
First message was:
At the moment, this is for the fun & silly conversations had in The Tarpit that might get in the way of on-topic conversations!
A Bot that Kicks Itself
And then I moved the convo about a bot that kicks itself. But the formatting got ruined because the moved conversation got put at the top...
I imagine there's no fix...
 
perhaps they thought it'd be weird if room owners could reorder messages arbitrarily
 
@AviFS Messages are always time ordered
 
3:20 PM
@mypronounismonicareinstate Yeah, just unfortunate that it's not ordered by the time that it was added to the room
Rather, ordered by the time it was created
 
Next time, try to guess what the conversation is going to be about and post the title to A Bit of Fun before the conversation actually happens. Even better: first post the title, then start the conversation.
 
@mypronounismonicareinstate Fixed by bookmarking it
I don't want conversations or people to feel trashed, so when I move them, I'll bookmark the convo and name it by theme. That way it can still be found, like a table of contents of the silliness that went on here
I'll move the other silly things above eventually, but there's honestly a lot of other stuff I should be doing right now. Just came on to try and make peace before anyone got frustrated :)
Feel free to continue the conversation in that room!
If you want me to move something, say so and then others can vote on it by starring it. If it gets 1 star, meaning 2/5 active members want it moved, I will
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The numbers will change as active users change, but something like that.
Format:
:{reply to first message in proposed convo} **Vote to move: {Name of Convo}**
It should be bold, so it's easy to see.
Sound reasonable?
1 message moved to ­Trash
 
3:46 PM
> AviFS has invited you to join ­Trash
Well thanks Avi :P
 
4:23 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing LOL, I'm so sorry, haha!!
Had no idea it automatically sent an invite; too funny!
@cairdcoinheringaahing Is it a reasonable moving system? What do you think?
 
5:16 PM
@AviFS It‘s probably not what I‘d do, but I don’t see any major problems
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing You mean because you'd just move them to the Trash?
 
5:50 PM
@AviFS I‘d probably move the „worst offenders“ to Trash and leave the rest, so long as they form an understandable conversation but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
6:24 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing Glad I got it wrong again :p
I often enjoy silly off-topic conversations which are still tangentially related, though. So it seems to me having a dedicated room is a good idea so we can move there when it happens. And if silly conversations can be moved, there should be less harsh feelings about them happening (when there's no on-topic anyway)
 
 
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8:56 PM
in The Nineteenth Byte, 1 min ago, by caird coinheringaahing
CMQ: What math symbol do you most associate with randomness? I.e. random number, random choice etc.
 
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