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12:18 AM
is there a completely abstract way of establishing that determinants exist
by completely abstract I mean without ever writing the Leibniz formula down
 
it's just what $T$ induces on the top exterior power no
the map $\text{End}_k(V) \to \text{End}_k(\Lambda^{\dim V} V) \cong k$ is the determinant map
 
how do you show $\Lambda^{\dim V}V$ is non-zero?
I can only do that with some explicit calculations that are more or less the same as writing down the Leibniz formula
 
that sounds ridiculous
 
Depends on the definition of wedge product, but I would write down the purported basis element and evaluate on the dual basis.
 
writing down an explicit definition of the wedge product is not too different from writing down the Leibniz formula
there ought to be a completely abstract nonsense approach to this
 
12:26 AM
Way easier.
I evaluate on the vectors and permute. But in the case of what I just said, it's clear I get $1$.
 
yeah, that's the approach I would usually take as well
 
12:39 AM
hello!
just popped in to say hello before I do some Lie algebras
 
howdy
 
how's it going
 
what are you doing in Lie algebras
 
i had a course in the fall, rn I'm just revising the classification for semisimple lie algebras
 
ah ok
 
12:40 AM
I need to learn some rep theory at some point
 
how do you prove Ado's theorem
i can do it for Lie algebras with an ad-invariant inner product
 
I actually have never learned a proof that I found memorable
I remember reading one in the appendix of Knapp's book in the fall
but I have since forgotten every bit of it
 
if you have an ad-invariant inner product then $\mathfrak{g} = \mathfrak{h} \oplus Z(\mathfrak{g})$ where $\mathfrak{h}$ is centerless, so you can embed it in a matrix algebra by the little ad map, and the other half, the center, is abelian, so it independently embeds in a matrix algebra
then i just $\oplus$ them
This is already a large class, Lie algebras of all Lie groups isomorphic to $G \times \Bbb R^n$ where $G$ is compact
I was hoping semisimple is only a bit harder
in particular i was hoping if you add o to ad you get ado
(@Ted)
 
lollll
 
Ha ha.
 
12:45 AM
i like your approach
I've understood that Ado's thm is a bit of a pain in general
 
yeah it sounds awful in full generality
 
But I think that one can just believe it for the most part without loss of understanding
 
for some reason I haven't seen that phrase before, but it's great
 
which?
 
1:00 AM
without loss of understanding
 
oh loll
WLOU
 
Define the kernel of the evaluation-at-0 $\text{ev}_0 : C[0, 1] \to \Bbb R$ to be $C_0[0, 1]$, and equip it with uniform topology and the Borel $\sigma$-algebra thereof.
I can define a measure on the sets of the form $\{\gamma \in C_0[0, 1] : \gamma(t_1) \in U_1, \cdots, \gamma(t_k) \in U_k\}$ where $0 < t_0 < \cdots < t_k$ and $U_1, \cdots, U_k \subset \Bbb R$ open.
Namely, let $p_t(x, y) = \exp(-|x-y|^2/2t)/\sqrt{2\pi t}$. Define $$\Bbb P(\gamma(t_1) \in U_1, \cdots, \gamma(t_k) \in U_k) = \int_{U_1 \times \cdots \times U_k} p_{t_1}(0, x_1) \cdot p_{t_2 - t_1}(x_1, x_2) \cdots p_{t_k-t_{k-1}}(x_{k-1}, x_k) dx_1 \cdots dx_k$$
This should be extendable to a probability measure on all of $C_0[0, 1]$
 
1:16 AM
what good does the evaluation at 0 requirement do?
 
Normalizing the motion to start at 0
It seems one only needs to do a little more work to define the measure on the basic open sets of the compact-open topology, not?
Whereof you can invoke Caratheodory
Maybe I am wrong
 
so you're trying to define a measure that controls paths on the line by how/when they travel between open sets? and that's somehow governed by Gaussians?
scary
 
yeah I think this has a name
It's called the Wiener measure
I guess the point is some general Kolmogorov extension theorem extends this to a measure on $\Bbb R^{[0, 1]}$
 
huh, so that's what the Wiener measure is
I'm trying, but I got no clue what that RHS expresses
 
yeah you basically want to think of a BM as a random element on the space of paths
ah so the intuition is
you want a brownian motion to have iid normal increments, with variance equal to time-interval in the increment
so the probability that a bm should start at 0, halt at time t1 in U1, then halt at time t2 in U2, etc etc is (by markovian philosophy) probability that a bm should start at 0 then halt in U1 (on x1 say) at time t1, another totally independent bm should start at wherever the first guy halted in U1 (ie x1) then halt at time t2 - t1 somewhere in U2 etc
And that's a product
and each of these are normal distributions
 
1:26 AM
ah, ok, and then the integral averages it out
that does sound reasonable-ish
 
yeah
it follows from the last corollary here I think
well theorem 11
 
2:29 AM
any idea how to find the area from x=0 to x=infinity of xy(e^x+e^y)=1 ?
 
3:19 AM
The point $\left(2\operatorname{W}\left(\frac1{2\sqrt2}\right),2\operatorname{W}\left(\frac1{2\sqrt2}\right)\right)$ is on the curve...
 
3:38 AM
$X : [0, \infty) \times \Omega \to \Bbb R$ be a stochastic process such that for some $\alpha, \beta, C > 0$, $\Bbb E|X_s - X_t|^\beta \leq C |t - s|^{1+\alpha}$. Let $\gamma < \alpha/\beta$.
There is a constant $K(\omega)$ such that $X_{-}(\omega)$ is locally $\gamma$-Holder continuous on the diadic rationals on $[0, 1]$
Let's see this. Define the event $G_n = \{|X_{i/2^n} - X_{(i-1)/2^n}| \leq 1/2^{\gamma n}\; \forall 0 < i \leq 2^n\}$.
Eh let's work with normal increments
Nah I don't need to, I can just use Chebyshev
$\Bbb P(G_n^c) \leq 2^n 2^{n \beta \gamma} \Bbb E|X_{i/2^n} - X_{(i-1)/2^n}|^\beta$
which is in turn less than $C 2^{-n(1+\alpha)}$ by hypothesis. Combining, we get $\Bbb P(G_n^c) \leq C 2^{n(\beta \gamma - \alpha)} = C 2^{-n \lambda}$ where $\lambda = \alpha - \beta \gamma > 0$.
Clearly on $\bigcap_{n = N}^\infty G_n$, for all $p, q \in [0, 1]$ diadic rational we have $|X_p - X_q| \leq A(\gamma) |p - q|^\gamma$ whenever $|p - q| < 2^{-N}$, where $A(\gamma)$ is some constant depending entirely on $\gamma$
Now it's a Borel-Cantelli trick
$\sum_{n = 1}^\infty \Bbb P(G_n^c) = \sum C 2^{-n\lambda} < \infty$ so $\Bbb P(\limsup G_n^c) = 0$
so everything is eventually in $\bigcap_{n = N}^\infty G_n$ almost surely; which is what we want
This is apparently called the Kolmogorov continuity theorem. If there's some funky Holder assumption on the moments of the increments of the stochastic process then it's sample Holder-continuous on dyadic rationals (and thus the whole stochastic process can be modified to a sample-continuous process leaving distribution unchanged)
 
 
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6:32 AM
12 hours ago, by Ted Shifrin
@Knight Here's a concrete exercise for you. Give me a differentiable function $f$ for which $\lim_{x\to\infty} f(x) = 0$ but for which $\lim_{x\to\infty} f'(x)$ does not exist.
@TedShifrin I’m sorry Ted, I tried hard but couldn’t find any of them. My train of thought was like this: a function having a limit zero as $x$ goes to infinity must be 1 over “some increasing function”
So, I tried $1/x$ , $\frac{1}{e^x}$ and $\frac{1}{ln x}$ and even their combinations but couldn’t get anything good
 
@BalarkaSen The proper question is "what are you doing in my Lie Algebras?"
 
I’m pretty weak in these types of questions where we are asked to find a function such that it is like this and it’s derivative is like that
 
@Knight $\left(\frac{\sin\left(x^2\right)}x\right)'=\frac{2x^2\cos\left(x^2\right)-\sin\left(x^2\right)}{x^2}$
 
@robjohn Doesn’t the derivative’s limit zero?
 
@Knight Look at it: for large $x$ it is $2\cos\left(x^2\right)$, which varies quickly between $-2$ and $2$.
 
6:43 AM
But sir what’s the limit of $$lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{\sin x^2}{x} $$
 
@Knight That is $0$
 
Can we work it out?
$$\frac{\sin x^2}{x} = \frac{sin x^2}{x^2} x$$
 
@Knight Yes. The limit of the function is $0$, but its derivative does not have a limit.
$\left|\sin\left(x^2\right)\right|\le1$
 
Yes by squeeze Theorem we can prove
But sir $\sin x^2$ oscillates as $x$ goes to infinity
 
@Knight so? when divided by $x$ it tends to $0$
 
6:48 AM
@robjohn I learned that oscillating functions’ limits doesn’t exist
 
@Knight $-\frac1x\le\frac{\sin\left(x^2\right)}x\le\frac1x$
apply the squeeze theorem
 
@Knight if a function oscillates between two different values then the limit doesn't exist
but if it just oscillates around a fixed value then it approaches said value
 
@Knight that's why the limit of the derivative does not exist.
it oscillates between $-2$ and $2$.
 
@LeakyNun Well I think oscillation can always occur between two points,
Oh okay you meant damped oscillation
 
just look at the graph
 
6:52 AM
@robjohn Yeah I got it, the oscillation of $\sin x^2$ is decreasing in amplitude and seems to be approaching some value
 
@Knight Name any two non-zero points; it will stop reaching both eventually
 
While $\cos x^2$ is oscillating with same amplitude whatsoever
 
@Knight No... the oscillation of $\frac{\sin\left(x^2\right)}x$ is decreasing. The oscillation of $\sin\left(x^2\right)$ does not decrease.
 
Oh my mistake
@robjohn But how did you come up with such a function?
Was it due to experience ?
 
Yes
You see examples where some bounded, oscillating function, e.g. $\sin(x)$, is applied to some quickly increasing function, e.g. $x^2$, gives a function whose derivative goes wild.
 
7:05 AM
Yes
 
7:18 AM
@robjohn Sir you know, these days weather is so nice here. I really admire the cool weather caused by rain, dark clouds and green green floras
And I don’t know how but it reminds me of 9th Grade when our History teacher Mr.Chowfin was teaching French Revolution (it was the first Chapter) and whole class was quite and listening to his lecture, it was just very nice. I remember few names from French Revolution: Louis 16, Antoinette, Jacobian, Roberspiere, 3rd Estate and few more
 
 
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9:09 AM
@Knight The weather is nicer here today. Wednesday, it got to 101°F (38°C). Today, it topped out at 83°F (28°C).
 
@robjohn Are you working on preparing lectures for UCLA, In this nice weather where birds too are flying with freedom without any prohibitions by despotic sun ?
 
@Knight No, the despotic sun has been gone for 6 hours. Now we have the harsh mistress moon.
 
9:57 AM
Wow!
@robjohn Before the rays of angry sun trespass your windows sir, and before the moon and night depart from each other, can I make a request humbler ?
Can I see you in a video lecture?
A home made lecture
 
10:38 AM
@Knight sorry, I don't have any
 
on the geometric meaning of diagonalizing a matrix
is it that suppose A a matrix acts on a vector in a linear space with basis B
its diagonal simiral matrix is just how the same matrix acts on the linear space but with basis the eigenvectors now?
 
11:03 AM
@ManolisLyviakis right
 
ok thanks
its funny i have not yet to see how all these change of basis tricks and calculations applied somewhere. I know physicists must use em alot.
having a basis for the space the eigenvectors ensures that the action of matrix does not rotate or do weird stuff with your axes which is good for visualization but it can still mess up the picture depending on what the matrix acts on.
 
11:27 AM
Hey everyone, a quick question (sorry for the bad terminology...) - for abelian groups, when I see $\bigoplus_{i \in I} A_i$, should this mean the colimit of the discrete diagram ( discrete = no non-identity morphisms) (where this discrete diagram has $I$ many objects, even if $A_i = A_j$ etc.)
 
11:43 AM
Invariant subspaces of a matrix A which is diagonizable are the zero, the whole space its eigenspaces and subspaces of the eigenspaces?
 
@LeakyNun Can you suggest some book or site where questions on elementary integrals (both definite and indefinite) are there?
 
@robjohn Sir advice me on the issue of elementary integrals. I learned integration (substitution, by parts, partial fractions) two years ago. I want to master the elementary integrals, but whenever I pick any book they teach it from scratch and I cannot help leaving it.
My problem is that books like : Stewart Calculus, Thomas Calculus and Edward’s Calculus, the topics they teach I know them, all I want is to master those topics and I don’t know what to do. Suggest me something
 
12:17 PM
@Konformist surely that's supposed to be a coproduct, no?
though that's the same as a colimit of a discrete diagram, ig
 
@Knight If you know the basics, then go through the problems. Experience, recognizing basic forms, integration by parts, substitution.
 
@Thorgott it should be direct sum in $Ab$, but I couldn't be 100% sure if it means colimit of a discrete diagram...
 
Sil
12:36 PM
Hi guys. Do you know if mentioning a user with @name will send him a notification, even if they did not participate in given question/post yet?
 
@Konformist maybe I'm missing a subtlety, but aren't they the same thing?
 
@Thorgott yes I think so, I am just somehow not 100% sure, and wanted to get a confirmation
 
Let $I$ be a discrete small category and $A\colon I\rightarrow C$ a diagram in $C$. Denote $A(i)=A_i$ and consider the coproduct $\coprod_{i\in I}A_i$ with the inclusion morphisms $\iota_i\colon A_i\rightarrow\coprod_{i\in I}A_i$ for all $i\in I$. This is, by definition, a co-cone over $A$. Another co-cone over $A$ consists of an object $N$ and morphisms $\varphi_i\colon A_i\rightarrow N$ for each $i\in I$.
The universal property of the coproduct asserts there is a unique morphism $\psi\colon\coprod_{i\in I}A_i\rightarrow N$ such that $\psi\circ\iota_i=\varphi_i$ for all $i\in I$. This is p
whether some $A_i$ are equal to one another or not isn't a concern, because everything is indexed over $I$ to begin with
 
12:55 PM
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A: How can the convolution operation be implemented as a matrix-vector multiplication?

nbroTo show how the convolution applied to an image can be viewed as matrix-vector multiplication, let's suppose that we want to apply a $3 \times 3$ kernel to a $4 \times 4$ input, with no padding and with unit stride. Here's an illustration of this convolutional layer. Now, let the kernel be de...

 
1:06 PM
@Thorgott Thank you!
 
1:32 PM
Jardine Simplicial Homotopy Theory page 163, first part of the first sentence: "Observe that $N_{0}A = A$, that ..." Am I missing something or is this wrong... It looks like $N_{0}A = ker{d_0}$
 
1:42 PM
@robjohn Problems of which book?
 
@Sil we can try it if you like
 
Sil
@icecream2727 Sure, why not
@icecream2727 I've tried in a comment of one post, did you get any notification?
 
Hmm nope
You solve Project Euler @Sil ?
 
Sil
Then it doesn't work, sad...
Well I did in a past :)
 
i was thinking of giving it a shot
any advice?
 
Sil
1:56 PM
not much, just try and you will see, first few are simple anyway
and later on it is useful to make some common library of stuff you have used, because it is useful on more problems later
 
do you usually read the solutions even if you've managed to solve the problem?
 
Sil
if you solve it you have access to the forums where you can see others solutions, so yea it is useful to read those
 
i heard that in some problems they give different solutions, do you read them all
 
Sil
yea, there are many ways to solve a problem there, especially if you find your solution to run longer than 1 minute, you might want to check others
are by the rule of the site, typically all problems should have a solution that runs in onder minute on average machine
 
i see
 
2:28 PM
Very small for a question, but still couldn't figure it out since more than an hour: Jardine Simplicial Homotopy Theory page 163, first part of the first sentence: "Observe that $N_{0}A = A$, that ..." Am I missing something or is this wrong... It looks like $N_{0}A = ker{d_0}$
 
2:42 PM
@robjohn any hint for this question sir?/
they only have the common value at $x=\pi/4$ and $x=-\pi/4$
i mean cosx=sinx
 
3:01 PM
if for each $x\in X$, $h_x:I\rightarrow Y$ is continuous (I=[0,1]) then $H:X\times I\rightarrow Y$, given by $H(x,t)=h_x(t)$ is continuous right?
 
My answer to this question is really really bothering me: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3715638/…
It's the standard tactic for deriving the value of this integral when we have infinite bounds on both ends, and my logic seems to check out, but with this derivation, I'm very leery of why it can give a correct answer (I've checked it several times for lots of conditions) and yet clearly cannot be used to find an antiderivative
 
@orientable surely not
nothing about your hypotheses ensures continuous dependence on $x$, let alone joint continuity
 
@Yuvraj the smallest $p$ is $\frac{\pi}{2\sqrt 2}$
$$\cos (p \sin x) = \sin (p \cos x) \\ \cos (p\sin x) = \cos ( \pi/2 + p\cos x )$$
Taking inverse cosine :
$$p \sin x = \pi/2 + p \cos x \\ \sin x - \cos x = \frac{\pi}{2p}$$
Square both sides and use the identity that sin ^2 theta + cos ^2 theta is 1
$$ 1 - \frac{\pi^2}{4p^2} = sin 2x$$
 
The price of cherry pie in Jamaica is $3.50
 
3:16 PM
Dear all,
i asked my first question on math overflow today and some one give to me a good answer. What can I do to accept the answer ?
 
The price of apple pie in Barbados is $1.75
 
$$\sin 2x = \frac{4p^2 -\pi^2}{4p^2}$$ For this to have a solution we should have $$ -1 \leq \frac{4p^2 - \pi^2}{4p^2} \leq 1$$
Solve it and you will get the thing
 
3:36 PM
@Thorgott you once mentioned a book on category theory, one that you've read parts of, may you please tell me the name once again?
 
4:00 PM
must've been Abstract and Concrete Categories - The Joy of Cats by Adámek, Herrlich and Strecker or Handbook of Categorical Algebra by Borceux
 
yup, that's the one
thanks
 
4:14 PM
What is the quotient of pair of pants under $\Bbb Z_3$ action?
 
A disk
You mean Z_3 action by rotating by pi/3 in the obvious way I suppose
 
how bro. I can't see.
Yes. (Yes to your question. Not, 'yes I can see now')
 
@Edward fuck im doing double cosets
 
Fundamental domain is the stuff bounded by two red arcs and the black circle on that branch
 
you sure have weird pants
 
4:22 PM
Z/3 action pastes the two red arcs togather
@Thorgott I thought high waist pants were pretty fashionable
 
damn... Nice. Thanks Brolarka.
 
lul
 
$M_g/\Bbb Z_g = M_1$? where the holes of $M_g$ are arranged in way so that it is invariant under rotation by $2\pi/n$.
 
$g$ for punctures? Wut?
 
no. holes. genus
 
4:30 PM
you'd have to specify the picture. is there genus in the middle? are you rotating along an axis which does not intersect the surface?
or is it a sphere with $g$ handles arranged in a circular fashion
and the axis of rotating goes through the sphere
i guess the latter
yeah then $M_g/\Bbb Z_g = M_1$ is correct
 
Yes. The latter. That's how you get the 2pi/n symmetry.
But this is not a covering space action because the point in the center has a non-trivial stabilizer, right?
 
yea
Covering maps $\Sigma_g \to \Sigma_h$ are pretty restrictive; they exist iff $2 -2h$ divides $2 - 2g$, but in fact when this happens these coverings are realizable by rotation symmetries
Hatcher has a picture somewhere
 
Those numbers look like Euler characteristic.
 
yeah, euler characteristic is multiplicative under coverings
Covering maps between punctured surfaces $\Sigma_{g, n}$'s are much more complex
I don't think I know a reasonable classification in any sense.
 
@BalarkaSen What does this mean?
 
4:41 PM
If $p : X \to Y$ is a covering map of degree $d$, $\chi(X) = d\chi(Y)$
comes from counting simplices
 
oh nice.
 
hi chat
 
5:00 PM
Hello @Astyx
Is there an example of an orbifold where the underlying space is a manifold, but the singular locus is non-empty?
Singular locus = points for which the stabilizer is non-trivial.
Oh wait. Is $M_g/\Bbb Z_g$ an example?
 
Sure, even simpler. $\Bbb R^2/\Bbb Z_n$
Every oriented 2-orbifold has underlying space a manifold
 
$M_g/\Bbb Z_g$ is an orbifold, because $\Bbb Z_g$ action on $M_g$ is properly discontinuous (properly discontinuous = $U \cap gU \ne \varnothing$ for only finitely many $g$).
 
5:15 PM
This is what algebraic geometers call having a "coarse moduli" for the stack
(That was unnecessary, why would I mention that? I'm disgusted by myself)
 
@BalarkaSen That sounds like a highly non-trivial result.
 
No! It's just the observation that oriented 2-orbifolds are locally modelled on $\Bbb R^2/\Bbb Z_n$
The underlying coarse moduli for which is just $\Bbb R^2$
Finite subgroups of $SO(2)$ are cyclic, that's all
 
What does $\Bbb R^2/\Bbb Z_n$ look like? A cone?
 
Yeah
Cone with cone angle $2\pi/n$
 
5:26 PM
There are very few subgroups of O(2) to check
Non-oriented orbifolds just look like surfaces with boundary, where I think of the boundary as being a fold (since it's an orbifold point, not really a boundary point)
@BalarkaSen There's no classification of (g,n) and (g',n') for which this is allowed? I think there must be with a lot of work
 
I don't really know the story. There was a conjecture by Hurwitz that degree, orientation and branching data classifies branch covers but that's false
 
Yikes
 
Apparently $S^2$ is the only problematic guy
There is no degree 4 branched cover of S^2 with 3 branch points of branching data (3, 1), (2, 2), (2, 2)
Even though that's an algebraically valid branching data
@feynhat Exercise: Give a novel definition of Euler characteristic of an oriented 2-orbifold and explain why it's interesting. Afterwards read the general definition from somewhere and then explain it to me.
 
6:32 PM
Hey everyone.
I've noticed that there are a couple of things in mathematics that obey a type of "cut rule", where, given an object with a type similar to a -> b, c, and an object with a type similar to c, d -> e, the two objects can be "cut together" to form an object with a type such as a, d -> b, e.
The most obvious is the cut rule in sequent calculus.
Another example is tensors; if the first two types I gave above are the types of two tensors, then we can take the inner product of the tensors to get a tensor of the third type.
A metaphor may be if I have two trees of cables with various plugs and sockets sticking out of them; I can take a plug from one tree and plug it into a socket from the other tree, forming a larger tree.
I don't suppose anyone's written about these sorts of things in general?
 
6:58 PM
question: why do some authors use equality in the following situation: $V=V^{**}$ ? Is it only because there's a natural map? o
 
essentially, yes
it's common practice to identify canonically isomorphic objects in algebra
the proper category-theoretic explanation is that $(-)^{\ast\ast}$ is naturally isomorphic to the identity functor
 
aha, so a natural map between functors isn't enough to identify canonically isomorphic objects? or is every natural map between functors, isomorphic to identity?
 
well, you want a natural isomorphism, or else there's no point in identifying
the second sentence doesn't make sense to me
 
Why would there be no point in identifying if you do not have a natural isomorphism?
 
take for example V and its dual---there's no natural isomorphism, and indeed, even though they are isomorphic, they don't "feel" "same-y"
but for V and its double dual, there is a real sense in which those objects are the same---a real sense in which you can treat vectors as linear functionals on dual-space vectors
that sense being given precisely by the natural iso
 
7:11 PM
coco is
2
 
(i'm abusing terminology here: by "natural iso" I mean "canonical iso that's naturally isomorphic to id")
 
well, if two objects aren't isomorphic, no sane person would identify them, because they just aren't the same in any meaningful way
 
im in love with the $^{**}$
3
 
lmfao thats too good
 
stronk memes
comin thru
 
7:16 PM
@Fargle I see, so (1) A natural transformation between functors whose components are isomorphisms is not what you mean here? (2) "Maps" naturally isomorphic to identity really blur out the distinction between say, $V$ and $V^**$, kinda like $\mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R}$ and $\mathbb{R}^2$, right?
 
$\mathbb{R}\times\mathbb{R}$ and $\mathbb{R}^2$ are literally the same thing
 
I was thinking $\mathbb{C}$ and $\mathbb{R}^2$
sorry
 
$\mathbb{C}$ and $\mathbb{R}^2$ are also the same thing (as sets)
but the comparison doesn't really work, because these are just two specific objects
natürally isomorphic functors means that you associate objects to one another and can identify them in ways which respect all the maps arising between them
 
is there a formal meaning for "identify"?
 
scratch the identify, that's not what matters
 
7:34 PM
What do you mean by they're the same thing as sets? $\mathbb{C}=\{a+ib :....\}$
bijection between the two?
 
many definitions of $\Bbb C$ give it as ordered pairs $(a,b)$ of real numbers with $a + ib$ as mere notational shorthand, and in such definitions $\Bbb C$ is literally $\Bbb R^2$
(as sets)
 
ahh alright
 
yeah, that's what I mean
 
the key thing with double duals is that "double-dualing" is a functor on the category of vector spaces which is naturally isomorphic to the identity functor, and from this, you can for a particular $V$ exhibit a canonical isomorphism $V \leftrightarrow V^{**}$
the number one problem with category theory is that what is really meant by a particular statement is hidden behind, on average, about thirty definitions lol
(anyone who knows better should let me know if I'm off-base here, I woke up like 40 minutes ago and am also stupid)
 
7:56 PM
With the given values I cannot draw the graph
 
It might be worthwhile pointing out that saying these functors are naturally isomorphic has a lot more content than just saying that you can exhibit isomorphism $V\cong V^{\ast\ast}$ for each vector space $V$, namely that all these isomorphisms are compatible with the maps between these vector space. Let's make this precise. For each vector space $V$, let $\varphi_V\colon V\rightarrow V^{\ast\ast}$ be the "canonical" isomorphism.
What's key to the concept of a functor is that a functor not only associates objects to objects, but also maps between objects to other maps between the correspond
This is why it makes sense to identify $V$ with $V^{\ast\ast}$. They not only look like one another by themselves (i.e. isomorphic vector spaces), but they and the morphisms out of them look like one another within the context of the entire category.
 
mans out here dropping that nuance
you love to see it
 
8:18 PM
Maybe look at a different example too. Let $M$ be a smooth manifold of dimension $n$. For each $p\in M$, $T_pM$ is an $n$-dimensional vector space, so it is isomorphic to $\mathbb{R}^n$. This doesn't feel natural: you can't generally tell me an isomorphism without choosing a basis (which comes from choosing a chart) and there is not a meaningful choice of what maps this isomorphism should respect. (There's also a non-categorical reason why these isomorphisms don't feel natural: they don't necessarily come together smoothly if the tangent bundle is non-trivial.)
fwiw, the second case is even nicer, because the isomorphisms there actually come together nicely to give a bundle isomorphism $T(M\times N)\cong TM\times TN$, which is natural in the appropriate setting
 
AHA!
@Thorgott I think I found what I was looking for, this makes much more sense now
thank you
so so so mcuh
 
8:56 PM
np :)
 
9:37 PM
Let's see if I can construct a BM by hand. Let $Z_m^n \sim \text{Unif}(1, -1)$ for $1 \leq m \leq n$, $n \in \Bbb N$. Define $X_0^n = 0$, $X_m^n = \frac1n \sum_{k = 1}^n Z_k^n$ for $1 \leq m \leq n$. So $X_m^n$ is basically an $m$-step random walk with step-length $1/n$.
 
I can construct a brownian motion by hand much more easily
 
Lol
 
I'll just drop a speck of dust in a glass of water
ez
 
Eh, I shouldn't restrict $m$.
I have to scale it spatially (which I did) and run it for a long time.
I guess $X^n_{n^2}$? I bet that converges, as $n \to \infty$, to BM
 
i dunno, i've never constructed brownian motion
"god made brownian motion. all else is the work of, uhhh, ornstein and uhlenbeck i guess"
 
9:43 PM
yeah im just freewheeling
i know there's a way to think of it as a limit of random walks, it shouldn't be hard to write down
 
how dare you enjoy playing with mathematical objects
 
lol
 
it's supposed to be abject suffering, or at least so i was led to believe by my education
 
truth
So basically, what I want is CLT on the differences. Between $t < s \in \Bbb R$, how many scaled uniformed do I need to construct $N(0, s - t)$?
 
Howdy, @ A Balarka and @Fargle.
 
9:47 PM
hi Ted
 
heya @Ted
how's it going
 
$n \cdot \text{Unif}(-1, 1)/\sqrt{n} \to N(0, 1)$
So I guess I need $n(s - t)$ uniforms to get it to converge to $N(0, s - t)$
 
Going OK, thanks, @Fargle. Did my weekly trip to the farmer's market and got yummy produce.
 
nice
 
Any good math happening here today?
 
9:55 PM
lots of Brownian motion, so
no
:)
 
angry reacts only
not that i know shit about BM
imagine doing BM while listening to BM
 
I sadly haven't been messing much with math at all for the past six-ish months
I think I've lost the precious neuroplasticity I used to have and have missed the boat on learning higher math entirely
 
Have you become a corporate mogul?
 
higher math is stupid anyway
 
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