Root Access

ping to where?

other things being equal, something is misconfigured

user435118

speedtest.net test

user435118

Also I tried to dual boot with Windows, but can't add Windows to the boot menu

Ubuntu should have detected Windows when installing

and offered to add it

I believe os-prober is the tool it uses for that

user435118

11:00 AM

I have a Windows partition

Not sure if that is a standalone tool or part of grub2

user435118

ob-prober returns: Windows Recovery Environment:Windows:chain

user435118

Boot list:

user435118

So it's finding WinRE, but not Windows itself

user435118

11:02 AM

Windows Recovery Environment:

user435118

Partitions:

user435118

It looks like Windows is on /dev/sda3 ^

Are you booting in UEFI mode or legacy?

user435118

11:04 AM

legacy

Ah

was that changed?

looks possible that Windows use EFI to boot

Boot repair can output info on modes, I think

"Create a BootInfo summary"

user435118

Yes, I changed it to legacy

It's likely that Windows is using the other mode- I don't think you can mix UEFI and legacy boots in a dual boot environment

I went through this too, a while back

user435118

I can't install boot repair

user435118

Internet is too slow

user435118

11:09 AM

retrieving gpg key timed out

strange

user435118

It's still loading a super user page from 5 min ago

might be worth figuring that part out first

because that's not normal

user435118

I'll try and re-connect the WiFi

Sure

Sagar V

11:11 AM

Hi everyone, I'm planning to assemble a pc. I saw a single stick 8gb ram which claims it's dual channel. When Googled, found some quora answers stating there's no such thing as dual channel in hardware level. Which one should I believe?

can you ping 8.8.8.8 (Google DNS anycast) from a terminal and see what the time is on that?

user435118

Do you want an average time for all the seq?

user435118

@bertieb ^

11:27 AM

was afk sorry

really just to give an idea of rough order of magnitude

waffles

user435118

around 1500 ms

Michael Frank

(4 spaces)

user435118

I managed to start downloading boot repair, taking a while though

Cheers @MichaelFrank, I forget what GCM supports...

1500ms is a lot

that's just regular seconds

user435118

I'm waiting for 10 seconds to download 100 kB

user435118

11:29 AM

40 min to download 4,000 kB

user435118

How can this be fixed?

Not sure what the problem actually is

so hard to say

user435118

My Mac (what I'm using now) is fine with the same WiFi, right next to the other PC

user435118

36 mpbs download and 10 upload, 9ms ping

user435118

The WiFi strength indicator is 3/4 full on Ubuntu

user435118

11:37 AM

@bertieb Any idea of what the problem could be?

Not really no

user435118

Maybe if I get Windows working, I can properly test it as well

Q: Slow internet on Ubuntu 20.04

Feels like it's getting into "ask a question on the site" territory

but quite broad, those kinds of Qs are hard to ask

user435118

So what do I do when I install boot repair?

user435118

I'll ask on Ask Ubuntu

DavidPostill

11:42 AM

The date troll is back :)

> I have a bug on my BIOS that it said 6/6/2020 instead of 6/6/2020? As a non-American, I'm used to writing today's date as 6/6/2020 instead of 6/6/2020. How do I make it so it'll say 6/6/2020 instead of 6/6/2020?

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I have recently installed a Ubuntu dual-boot with Windows on my PC (still trying to get the Windows part working). The internet on Ubuntu is really slow compared to Windows. A sppedtest.net test has a ping of 1000ms+ and won't even run. It's taken me around 10 minutes to download 4000 kB Pingi...

user435118

@DavidPostill lol

DavidPostill

@Daniil He does it every damn month.

@Daniil That was to get the BootInfo summary, to confirm if Ubuntu is installed in legacy mode and windows in EFI

user435118

@bertieb So this: help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Info ?

Q: Ubuntu 20.04 slow download speed compared to Windows

11:46 AM

Pretty much

I'm not as au fait with Ubuntu as Arch, but that seemed like a useful way of getting the info

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I have just installed Ubuntu 20.04 and I am facing a pretty big issue. My download speeds are really low compared to the Windows 10 that I have installed on dual-boot setup. Here you can see the difference: Pictures. My network adapter is Lenovo RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Co...

networking drivers 20.04

Yeah

user435118

Don't really get most of it though but ok

I'd have hoped in this day and age drivers would be less flaky

but if it's Realtek, they can be iffy

as JG would confirm, I reckon ;-P

user435118

I'll stick to fixing Windows first

user435118

11:50 AM

13 min download time to go

if you can, maybe plug in a network cable in the meantime

user435118

I'm going to have lunch rn, be back soon

user435118

If the issue persists I can check if I have a network cable

@bertieb I prefer any wireless NIC, as long as its intel

actually, given a choice I prefer to go with intel for wired too

Yeah

12:00 PM

though that is also cause ESXi hates everything else

harder to make that choice when integrated into a mobo or laptop

@bertieb uh

if the mobo/laptop otherwise has everything you want

In some cases that's literally a factor in purchasing a device

Sure

12:01 PM

most modern laptops started lacking wired ethernet no?

but if you already have it, or it's not on your radar when purchasing

no idea

I have an ethernet (fast, for reasons) usb adaptor cause of that

I haven't bought a laptop in donkeys'

sure

buying stuff for use cases makes sense

(old job was all 100mbps, and I wanted a ethernet adaptor for a laptop that didn't for testing...)

and uh

I didn't use my work laptop much :D

but a lot of folk don't think about NICs (wireless/wired) when buying a laptop or motherboard

12:03 PM

nope

My router was explicitly all intel

and fewer would know about Realtek's... provenance, or lack thereof in that area ;-P

I didn't care that much for the utility linux box

as long as you get the ISOs eventually ;p

yup

and I'm not going to do anything TOO fancy

though I had a realtek PCI gig-e card that would essentially do nasty things to any linux box it was in

would slow down to a crawl for some reason

user435118

12:20 PM

I'm back

user435118

I can't install boot-info

user435118

@bertieb ^

user435118

Oh, tried again and it's installing now

oh

@Daniil there's a graphical package manager front end that might have acccessed the apt databases

user435118

12:34 PM

@JourneymanGeek You got any ideas for the really slow internet?

@Daniil uhhhh

no?

Actually maybe

is the internet slow, or is it the local network?

user435118

It's slow just for that Ubuntu installation

you can't really control the downstream

ah

user435118

Works fine on my Mac

Q: Can't boot Windows (Windows and Ubuntu dual boot)

that's odd

not too sure

user435118

12:35 PM

And the Mac is right next to it

user435118

Boot-info is running now

user435118

Hopefully I can get Windows fixed at least

user435118

paste.ubuntu.com/p/6DyFPPd9WR

user435118

@bertieb Summary report ^

user435118

This looks good:

user435118

12:42 PM

OS#1:   The OS now in use - Ubuntu 20.04 LTS CurrentSession on sda8
OS#2:   Windows Recovery Environment (boot) on sda7
OS#3:   Windows 8 or 10 on sda3

user435118

> Please do not forget to make your UEFI firmware boot on the The OS now in use - Ubuntu 20.04 LTS CurrentSession entry (sda1/efi/****/shim****.efi (**** will be updated in the final message) file) !
If your computer reboots directly into Windows, try to change the boot order in your UEFI firmware.

> If your UEFI firmware does not allow to change the boot order, change the default boot entry of the Windows bootloader.
For example you can boot into Windows, then type the following command in an admin command prompt:

user435118

So what should I do now?

DavidPostill

@Daniil Ask a question on the main site. This chat room is not intended for extended debugging sessions.

user435118

@DavidPostill Ok

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I recently installed Ubuntu. I wanted to make it dual boot with Windows so I made multiple partitions. I can't boot to Windows. My boot menu looks like this: A boot-info report is available here. The OS's listed by the report: OS#1: The OS now in use - Ubuntu 20.04 LTS CurrentSession on s...

windows ubuntu dualboot

user435118

12:54 PM

I doubt I'll get an answer though

2:34 PM

@Daniil Do you want to team up? I have the exact same problem. It's a completely new system (indeed, new computer) and has 1 harddrive for windows 10 and 1 harddrive for ubuntu 20.

@Daniil The suggested repair in the report looks like it will convert Ubuntu to EFI boot, and says to disable legacy mode. This way both Ubuntu and Windows will be booting via EFi; seems reasonable to me

user435118

3:05 PM

@halirutan Sure

@Daniil I posted in this chatroom.

user435118

How do I disable legacy?

@Daniil do you mean legacy bios/uefi option? you go to the bios/uefi and look for where it says legacy and disable it!

user435118

I can't access Windows though

why don't you look up how to access the BIOS/UEFI it exists before you get into windows

What is a good fanless computer for editing videos in premiere pro?

user435118

3:21 PM

I can't enter BIOS on my computer

user435118

The standard steps don't work because I have no Windows

You're right you can't enter the BIOS on your computer

but it's not because you have no windows

.

it's because you aren't listening to simple instructions.

People go into the BIOS all the time with no windows no linux nothing. No hard drive in there computer even.

So why can't you?

user435118

The steps aren't working

oh really

did you look up how do you go into the BIOS/UEFI?

user435118

Yh

3:25 PM

@Daniil When your computer starts, you see a very first screen which is from the BIOS. What happens when you press Del at this point (several times if necessary)?

user435118

support.lenovo.com/ph/en/solutions/ht500222

user435118

Nothing, just the boot menu as normal

show the boot menu

include a picture here

if a boot menu says enter setup, then that's it.

user435118

@Daniil That is one step too far.

3:26 PM

Take out your hard drive

user435118

No way, I'll break my computer

Before this screen, do you see any other screen?

then why are you doing anything with it then

If you are afraid to take the hard drive out of your computer, why are you using ubuntu and grub

user435118

Yeah, a Lenovo screen

you will always completely fail trying to use linux and grub if you are so fearful of computers

and only windows

you should be using windows

user435118

3:28 PM

I'm not fearful of software, I'm fearful of opening it up

you need a cheap computer to play around with.

Taking out a hard drive shouldn't involve opening it up unless it's a really badly designed laptop

hard drive and RAM are usually easy.

like lego

@barlop I have a similar issue. My GPT partition does not contain a Windows directory. AFAIK, I only need to recreate the configuration for Windows there. I will definitely try this, but I'm a bit hesitant because I don't know if I really need the bootrec /fixboot step and what it does.

well, I haven't used windows with ubuntu dual booting, or a third party boot loader like GRUB. But when you have just a plain windows installation, then bootrec /fixboot doesn't do any harm (apart from apparently if one has some kind of encrypted thing, apparently).

bootrec /fixboot is one of a handful of 'go to' commands one uses or would use when a windows system doesn't boot.

years before in win9x days it was fdisk /mbr

there is also bootrec /fixmbr

the /fixboot does a bit more than fixmbr iirc . I don't know what they do but they're used all the time on plain windows systems and are harmless there. they help fix systems. They run in a second. It's not like a command that takes ages and has you biting your fingernails and pacing around.

there might even be a bootrec command to backup whatever bootrec /fixboot does.

if it's broken already then maybe it doesn't matter. maybe it won't get that much worse!

i imagine that if you had grub and did it then maybe it wouldn't go into grub, after you do that, but I haven't tried it with grub.

3:45 PM

I guess I just have to try it. I'm pretty sure I have EFI only in BIOS, my Ubuntu is definitely using EFI. The reason, why Ubuntu did not suggest to turn on dual boot is because my windows is on a completely different disk (as opposed to a partition of the same disk).

Sometimes i've set up a system with two hard drives where you tell the BIOS which hard drive to boot off. Then it's really simple. No 3rd party boot loader like grub.

No booting off one hard drive to load an OS on another.

@barlop Yeah, here comes the cool part: I have two identical 2T m.2 drives and I guess my BIOS gets confused. When I reset the BIOS, I can boot to windows, but when I make changes, it somehow forgets to make a distinction. I'm not sure why.

So I see two identical boot entries, because the disks have the same name but none of the two works. But it did work before and I could boot to ubuntu and win.

I love this particular Gigabyte BIOS.

OK, enough talk. Let's try this. See you hopefully soon.

@halirutan Always a good idea to not get 2 identical model numbers! . Another thing you can do is Remember which one it lists first. e.g. the top one or first one listed, maybe on SATA0 and the second one listed or bottom one listed may be on SATA1. The BIOS
will be systematic about it as it won't be random.

It's just a question of figuring out exactly how the BIOS decides which is top and which is bottom, or which order. But it is predicatable if you know how your BIOS is deciding it

it's unfortunate you can't label a drive.. you can label a partition but not a drive.

4:23 PM

@barlop Back again and everything works. As I suspected, I needed to do a bcdboot c:\Windows /l en-us /s V: /f UEFI to copy the correct config back.

Now I have a "Windows 10" named boot entry in the BIOS and I'm pretty sure I could also create a Grub chainloader entry for this.

user435118

4:35 PM

Hello again

user435118

I still can't seem to enter BIOS

@Daniil Find out what exact Lenovo thing you have and google how to enter the bios. That is the first step.

user435118

I managed to get into the boot manager

user435118

If that makes a difference

user435118

Oh yeah, I'm in BIOS now

user435118

4:42 PM

FN+F2

user435118

What do I change?

user435118

I managed to boot to Windows!

@Daniil Yes, if not everything is screwed up like it was for me, then you should be able to boot Windows directly from the BIOS.

user435118

@halirutan I changed to UEFI but now there is no boot menu

user435118

How do I boot Ubuntu?

user435118

4:47 PM

Re-install?

I guess there is an easier method to convert Ubuntu to use UEFI boot. Maybe you can search for this. I need to step out for a while. There is a brother that has no internet... yeah :(

user435118

I'm going to re-install

user435118

But I don't know how I installed it so that may be an issue

user435118

I had this issue yesterday and it was painful

5:04 PM

You don't know how you installed it? Do you know why you installed it?

take notes next time you install it

user435118

After trying the same thing 20 times it worked

Well there you go, you've apparently found that doing something 20 times and it works. Try that next time then!

user435118

...

user435118

Um... Now I entered OneKey recovery for some reason

@Daniil I don't know what "onekey recovery" is , nor should I. (googling, for the hell of it, I see it's some lenovo specific thing). You aren't helping yourself or anybody else with that statement.

user435118

5:17 PM

Right, I can't seem to boot from the USB I have Ubuntu on

So why don't you follow your do something twenty times discovery to figure out how to get out of onekey recovery?

its a lenovo recovery environment thng

though I don't think we really have to know that, that's my point

5:35 PM

Sometimes it's helpful to say things 'out loud' (quack)

Sometimes saying something gives other people something to jump on to ("Oh, you're in FooBar menu? Look for the Frob option, that'll sort your issue!")

It's helpful to know how things are progressing

without chat turning into a full-blown diagnostic session

yup

@bertieb in this case it's not relevant to the diagnostic at all

he may as well be saying that his dog is wondering around in his garden

if you'd been following the discussion you'd know that

or if you'd even read a few lines above to see what is going on there.

user435118

5:58 PM

@barlop It is relevant, when I click boot from USB and it takes me to recovery obviously something is not right

user435118

@barlop I don't have a dog, nor a garden

I also think it's relevant, and I have been involved in the discussion, but you are entitled to your opinion

Canadian Luke

6:45 PM

@Daniil Sorry, I had to leave quickly yesterday. I didn't see a reply, but did you check whether Secure Boot was enabled or not?

user435118

@CanadianLuke It was not enabled

user435118

I managed to boot to Ubuntu!

user435118

Changed the boot order in BIOS

7:11 PM

@bertieb no it isn't relevant. He can has no problem getting out of that thing he can restart his computer if he can't find the option to get out of it, he's not looking for how to routinely get out of it, it was a non-problem

xavier_fakerat

7:26 PM

Please someone help, in which version of windows does the 'Mobile hotpot over Bluetooth appear? I searched online but I couldn't get it, I want to see if I could then upgrade to that version of Windows?

7:57 PM

@xavier_fakerat I'd expect it appears in every version where you have internet via bluetooth as well as Wifi...

Canadian Luke

8:26 PM

@Daniil OK, glad you got it sorted

8:40 PM

@xavier_fakerat i'm still largely a win7 user, but googling re windows 10, this link suggests some ways to get the option, and doesn't mention anything about versions , so maybe it's possible it's not version dependent? answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/…

tons of links for windows 10 mobile hotspot missing

blog.errorkart.com/…

10:11 PM

@barlop I don't understand what you are saying here, but if it is part of the issue it is relevant

I don't understand your condescending attitude

The worse thing a user can do, when debugging, is not provide all the infomation

they don't know what's relevent, and what's not. and they may miss something that is important to us.

Exactly!

Well said

If users didn't tell me things, I'd never had found out about the badly earthed light switch that'd cause ADSL to stop working when flipped

Or the issue where a store thought turning the keyboard upside down fixed it

@djsmiley2kStaysInside Caused noise, so carrier dropped out?

and I thought turning the keyboard upside down was a cruel BOFH-ish prank ;-P

yup, and thje keybard thing

keyboard* thing. was that after doing that, they'd reconnect the cable to the keyboard

they never realised, it was the reconnecting the cable that fixed things, not turning it upside down ;D