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6:01 AM
oh lol. It means I've forgotten :) :)
 
I see.
 
@TedShifrin Lol
 
6:19 AM
How old were you when you started smoking? @BalarkaSen
 
I dunno I started a year and a half ago or something
 
oh
Whatever happened to that guy who used to call you "your highness"?
 
Sawarnik applied to my college and got in but joined some other college
 
coolio
 
Guys are you all classmates? And is this chatroom made by some professor who is your professor?
 
6:26 AM
No lol
 
nope
 
Why I feel like you guys know each other in real life.
 
we've all just kind of been here for a long time
not every community is irl
 
Balarka you have been here for 6 yr omg.
and skull 8 yr.
 
skull is way before my time
 
6:30 AM
I am first time here TBH. I didn't even knew chat existed. I just randomly clicked somewhere and it came.
Was thinking this chat was inactive at first. 😂
 
skull is older than time itself :-)
 
So skull existed when there was no flow of energy?
 
Before the Big Bang!
 
I remembered Balarka as Barlog lol.
 
at the time when no humans existed, only skulls (ghosts) were patrolling around the world
our skull is one of those skulls
 
6:33 AM
@skullpatrol If we take limit of this universe itself as time approach negative infinity before big bang will the limit even exist?
 
ask this in "the h bar" and you will get some very awesome "personal" replies
LOL
they are too personal, have try over there
 
Physics room
 
go in there and ping a man named with wide mustaches as his avatar
and you will see the real thrill (ROFL)
 
Is h bar physics room?
 
6:35 AM
only pinging will do the job, I assure you
 
yes
 
ok I go physics room. I know physics students are most savage people I have ever meet in history.
 

 The h Bar

General chat for Physics SE (physics.stackexchange.com). For M...
 
Go in there and ping that man
and ask him something :-)
He is having a very strange looking mustache man in his avatar
 
::savage::
 
6:37 AM
@skullpatrol Have a look at the h bar, he has done something funny
 
I think I am gonna get suspended by their moderators
What funny?
 
Asking about IQ
 
The guy whom you're talking to is a very respectable man
 
Please apologize him there, pal
you pinged the wrong person, he is one of the finest teacher I know.
 
6:41 AM
@Knight Then who is the mustache guy.
 
@WhyWhatWhereWhenHow You write AC after @ and you will get some names,
 
@skullpatrol Can you see (Lol, ROFL) ?
 
yup
 
I think he will come looking for me, and he will argue with me
and again we will have a row
 
6:45 AM
So wth happened to AC
ACM
 
I think 3 pings is enough for you WHY WHAT to get introduced to him
 
Looks like he is funny guy like young feyman
 
Yes, he is very funny and friendly. All you got to do is to stay with him for some time and talk to him
 
Surely you must be joking:P
 
I don't believe much in theory pal, let him do the practical and learn from observations
 
6:48 AM
Mr. Feynman
 
@skullpatrol Surely you must be joking Mr. Skull
 
What I cannot create, I donot understand
 
@WhyWhatWhereWhenHow You can scroll up in the h bar to see how knowledgable that AC is
@skullpatrol On which I cannot joke, I don't understand
 
Feynman set out the obviously impossible task of learning to solve every problem that has been solved
On his last black board
 
wow
 
6:53 AM
Together with
 
Feyman got in jail for prank.
 
3 mins ago, by skullpatrol
What I cannot create, I donot understand
 
Thats interesting
Skull, pal, let me know if you get something about this post of mine ?
cya skull, cya @WhyWhatWhereWhenHow
 
cya pal
 
cya @Knight
 
user434058
6:57 AM
ACM gets more interesting when you start pinging random people. @WhyWhatWhereWhenHow Go do that in the h bar... :P
 
Skull I don't even understand what ACM is talking about scrolling back lol
 
user434058
Gauß
 
Lol @FakeMod-Inactiveaccount how you come from physics to math .
 
user434058
@WhyWhatWhereWhenHow I am a (Fake)Mod. I can be anywhere ;)
 
@FakeMod-Inactiveaccount I thought you are some kind of bot due to your cryptic name.
 
user434058
6:59 AM
@WhyWhatWhereWhenHow nah!
 
user434058
Oh, I see. You're pinging mods...
 
Will I get suspended for pinging them lol.
 
@FakeMod-Inactiveaccount go to any stackexchange site that you are not a member of and register to join. Once newly joined you can modify your username on the profile on that site.
 
Please stop spamming
Nobody appreciates it
 
I found physics chat kinda different from what I see here.
 
user434058
7:04 AM
@skullpatrol doesn't work
 
Pinging random people is considered spam nearly everywhere I think
 
Did you join a new site?
 
user434058
Works :P
 
:-)
 
user434058
Thanks! :)
 
7:06 AM
np, pal
Now, get back to organic :P
 
user434058
Lol, sure
 
What are we doing right now ?
 
Those reagents aren't going to memorize themselves
 
Ok I need to go offline bye guys. Have a good time.
 
cya, pal
 
 
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8:46 AM
Hi all, hi @AlessandroCodenotti
 
Does the Levi-Civita connection give a Riemannian manifold a notion of parallel transportating? If so, why is that needed? Why wouldn't a manifold just come with a notion of parallel transporting?
When I see examples of parallel transporting on a sphere, no notion of a connection is used that I can see in the pictures
 
9:03 AM
Connections could be described by parallel transports.
 
@Stan it doesnt make sense because two different tangent spaces on a manifold do not come with any canonical identification
so what does parallel mean on two separate tangent spaces?
a connection is indeed used on the sphere, it's the projection of the standard euclidean connection (also known as directional derivative) to the tangent spaces of the unit sphere
 
@BalarkaSen are there many different kinds of affine connections?
I thought the Levi-Civita connection had some special properties and sometimes I see it just called a connection
 
i dunno what u mean
levi civita is symmetric and riemannian
they are a special deal yeah
u dont need a connection to be levi civita or compatible with a riemannian metric or whatever to define parallel transport
 
Ok thats what I wanted to know. Super
So what makes the Levi-Civita connection so useful? I see it come up all the time
 
@LeakyNun Yeah sure, the thing I'm ashamed of is how much of it I played. It kinda killed all productivity elsewhere
 
9:16 AM
@Stan it's compatible with the metric, so useful in metric geometry
these questions are addressed in adequate detail in do Carmo you should read it
 
I have it and during the summer I'm going to
These are questions I have since I read it the first time
I absorb math slowly it seems
 
it takes time to absorb riemannian geometry
 
At least compared to ppl here :')
 
i have been trying on and off for 3 years and only a month ago did i start to "get it"
 
@Thorgott Bijective bundle maps which are fiberwise isomorphisms are invertible as bundle maps. Proof: In local trivializations of both of your bundles $E$ and $F$, you can write your bundle map as $(x,v) \mapsto (x, A(x)v)$, where $A: U \to \text{Mat}_n$ is a map dependent on $x$. Because your bundle map is smooth, you know that $A$ is smooth; because it's a fiberwise isomorphism, $A$ lands in $GL(n)$.
But the inverse to this map is $(x,v) \mapsto (x, A(x)^{-1} v)$, which is smooth because inversion is smooth in $GL(n)$. So smoothness of the inverse bundle map is automatic, coming from smoothness of inversion in GL(n).
 
9:19 AM
yeah he figured that out iirc
i wrote a computation in homotopy theory u might want to bash me for being wrong
 
Ah yeah I see it now
My bad
 
@BalarkaSen do smooth manifolds carry a notion of distance?
 
nope, not in any canonical way
 
@BalarkaSen The only dififculty for me is seeing why the k-invariant is primitive
 
@BalarkaSen what's ur background? What do u study?
 
9:24 AM
I am currently thinking about a order theory related question
 
i didn't check it to be honest, it seemed believable that under the multiplication $X^n \times X^n \to X^n$, $k \in H^{n+2}(X^n; \pi_{n+1})$ gets sent to $1 \times k + k \times 1$, because of the H-space structure on the whole tower
i should work it out
 
Suppose we have two sets of 3 reals each, and they can be something like a < b < c, a < c < b etc. I am currently trying to make sense on what happens to the sum of the middle value of the two orderings and what condition it will become the max or min of the new ordering
 
I felt that it would come from understanding the classifying map $X^n \times X^n \to K(\pi_{n+1}, n+2) \times K(\pi_{n+1}, n+2)$ and how this behaves under multiplication
 
The quotient group $G/H$ is by its structure not a subgroup of $G$, fine. But then isn't it that there always exists a subgroup that is isomorphic to $G/H$?
 
For example, it is known that if the two orderings are monotonic then the sum of two middle values will stay in the middle in the new ordering
i.e. (a<b<c) + (d<e<f) = (a+d<b+e<c+f)
 
9:27 AM
@Stan I'm a 2nd year undergrad, math major
 
cool
what got u into Riemannian geometry? my uncle is a mathematician but he said he never had time to study it
 
@Rudi_Birnbaum $\Bbb Z$
 
so i'm curious what drew u to it
 
And if the two orderings are opposite to each other, then you end up with a monotonic ordering as well
 
i dunno i never really got into riemannian geometry
it just suddenly clicked when i was reading a small DMV series text by Werner Ballmann called "Lectures on Spaces of Nonpositive Curvature"
 
9:30 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti OK $\mathbb {Z}/5\mathbb{Z}$, hmm, seems not...
 
i.e. (a<b<c) + (d>e>f) = (a+d::b+e::c+f)
where :: :: is < > or > < if the max and min are comparable so they even out, leaving only the middle to stand out as a max or min, is > > if the first ordering is not strong enough to counteract the second ordering, and < < if the second ordering is not strong enough to counteract the first ordering
 
they develop a notion of synthetic geometry, like riemannian geometry but on metric spaces instead of smooth manifolds
so for a minute i wasn't looking at all the massive formulas and it all made sense
 
But what about the general case where given (a,b,c,>) and (d,e,f,>), what I can say about the sum of the middle values of the two ordering?
 
@BalarkaSen that's cool. its just a hobby of mine i got interested in while trying to learn general relativity for fun
 
that seems like a good goal
 
9:32 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti Hmm, maybe: the binary operation simply can not be inherited, right?
 
I don't know what you mean, the operation on $G/H$ is induced by that of $G$
 
Did UI changed in chat?
 
@BalarkaSen yeah, I feel like without understanding the basics of Riemannian geometry, I won't really appreciate general relativity
 
Seemingly you need Riemannian geometry for GR.
or pseudo-Riemannian
 
This UI is terrible
Oh now it is back when I clocked Mobile
 
9:35 AM
yeah so it seems
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Yes, right. Still I miss something. I can imagine that larger groups are constructed by "multiplying" smaller groups. In that sense both factor groups would be structurally equivalent, right? So why can then the quotient be something different as the divisor?
 
Well it looks like The Imitation Game is really accurate description of Mathematician and Physicist lmao.
 
@BalarkaSen There's a novelty here your proof misses I think --- why is that tower a tower of H-spaces?
If your H-space is a loopspace of X then you can just loop the Postnikov tower of X
But H-spaces aren't loopspaces, necessarily. $S^7$ is one but not the other
 
Postnikov towers of H-spaces are made up of principal fibrations because H-spaces are simple spaces, which are of the form F -> E -> B where E and B are both H-spaces, so F is also naturally an H-space
make it sit inside E x B x PB and use the multiplication there
So I think you can keep lifting the H-space structure to the whole tower like that
I was also stuck on this point a little but I think this works, unless I am wrong (possible)
every Postnikov truncation is a fiber of some fibration of H-spaces, so naturally an H-space
 
Maybe!
 
9:42 AM
Note that the H-space structure induced multiplication on the classifying spaces K(pi_n+1, n+2) of the principal fibrations agree with the usual H-space structure because Eckmann-Hilton, they even agree on pi_n+1
And I think that is also the explanation for the k-invariant business. It suffices to check that the id_G class $\alpha \in H^n(K(G, n))$, when pushed to $H^n(K(G, n) \times K(G, n))$ by the multiplication $K(G, n) \times K(G, n) \to K(G, n)$, is just $1 \times \alpha + \alpha \times 1$
$\times$ being cross product
k-invariant is pullback of $\alpha$ so if this is primitive so is that
anyway sounds like a big annoying naturality check. i could never get myself to prove commutative diagrams commute, a massive personal failing
 
9:58 AM
yeah i stopped talking because snooze
 
yeah this is boring screw it
i dunno why i am doing this, i am extremely bored
 
10:23 AM
Is there any shortcut to solve Einstein Field Equations?
Not special cases
like perturbation or so?
@Pig your profile picture looks like a pig
@GuruVishnu Your profile Picture looks like a nuclear bomb
 
For me, it looks like a rocket. Don't know whether profile picture is user dependant. I thought it was invariant...
 
Aha... $$ T_{\mu \nu} = -2 \frac{1}{g^{\mu \nu}} \frac{\partial L}{\partial g_{\mu \nu}} $$
Something's not right here...
@GuruVishnu Do you know Kim Jong Un?
 
10:40 AM
@TedShifrin Thanks for that reference. Do you know any relation between exterior differential systems and $\mathcal D$-modules?
D-modules are also used to encode PDEs.
 
I know of no useful relation
 
A brief review of the content allows me to conclude that the community consensus is that the Kronecker delta is the most necessary function in order for one to describe existence, and analytic number theory the most necessary discipline, therefore, my work* is done here
 
If I am not mistaken, a de Rham-like complex computes Ext-groups of D-modules.
 
That's great. I don't think that has to do with exterior differential systems in any serious way.
 
11:21 AM
@WhyWhatWhereWhenHow See if this search helps you in any way
 
@Knight It is intro to linear algebra.
Not linear algebra and its application
Money will not be limit now but time will be.
 
11:42 AM
Can somebody take a look at my line integral problem posted on forum?
 
 
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1:25 PM
@Balarka The map belonging to $\varphi_{\beta}^{-1}\varphi_{\alpha}$ should be $\phi_{\beta\alpha}$ (not $\phi_{\alpha\beta}$), no? Then, $\mathrm{id}=\varphi_{\alpha}^{-1}\varphi_{\beta}\varphi_{\beta}^{-1}\varphi_{\gamma}\varphi_{\gamma}^{-1}\varphi_{\alpha}$ (on $U_{\alpha\beta\gamma}$), so $I=\phi_{\alpha\beta}\phi_{\beta\gamma}\phi_{\gamma\alpha}$; I don't see the identity working out otherwise. Now, consider the map $\coprod_{\alpha}U_{\alpha}\times\mathbb{R}^k\rightarrow E$ given by $(\alpha,(x,v))\mapsto\varphi_{\alpha}(x,v)$. This map is continuous on each summand, cause $\varphi_{
 
@Thorgott The correct cocycle identity should be I think $I = \varphi_{\gamma \alpha} \varphi_{\beta \gamma} \varphi_{\alpha \beta}$. It is famously irritating to get it correct.
As evidenced by right now.
 
lol
 
Yeah it's something
 
yeah, that works out with how Balarka defined the maps
but this should be "just" a convention issue either way (I hope)
 
@Thorgott You can check that it's a homeomorphism; I leave it to you as an exercise
 
1:33 PM
It is, but one convention appears naturally in Cech cohomology
So people use that one
 
Or you can use proper continuous bijection to a first countable Hausdorff space is a homeomorphism
I couldn't help myself, I am sorry :P
 
Properness is probably worth teaching in a first topolog ycourse
 
that sounds like a useful fact
I will try checking this
 
Do you guys even sleep?
I saw you guys whole day lol.
 
I slept for like 8h
 
1:40 PM
Well, do you sleep ?
 
I'm unable to sleep for last 50 days
BREAKING NEWS: GRAND THEFT AUTO V MADE FREE BY EPIC GAMES
 
@abhas_RewCie Really? No freakin way.
@abhas_RewCie search for this in internet archive
I don't know how you searched lol.
It is not showing up after I search.
 
@WhyWhatWhereWhenHow Get some other linear algebra book
 
store.steampowered.com/app/271590/Grand_Theft_Auto_V @abhas_RewCie no gta v is not free
@abhas_RewCie 😭☹😢🤧
 
1:51 PM
guys
this may be a very stupid question
but how I draw shapes?
Like when they give me "draw ABC triangle"
How do I know which side I call it AC or BC or AB?
 
@abhas_RewCie Man it is wrong time release. My laptop is completely destroyed by short circuit.
 
Draw a triangle, then name it's points ABC... in clockwise direction
 
How to post picture here?
 
You are looking for a book on linear algebra?
 
I am looking a pirated version of books.
When I get money I pay the author back.
It's like illegal renting but what tf care.
 
1:55 PM
You can have a try on Prasolov's. The author makes it available online.
 
😢🤧😭 I spend too much money on video games and now I am bankrupted.
 
@abhas_RewCie How is that?
Is there a website where I can draw on real-time here?
 
@TechnoKnight Gimp/Photoshop, otherwise google draw
 
oh, those notes look interesting
 
I don't know how the law works but since the author uploads it on his homepage I guess that it would be OK for personal usage.
 
1:58 PM
@Thorgott or Thor got t do you know free pdf from learning undergraduate linear algebra for God's sake. The book should be better or equal to Gilbert strang's one.
 
I don't know any linear algebra books
 
@abhas_RewCie Is this ABC triangle?
Did I draw right?
 
@TedShifrin You only recommend doing half of the exercises in a book? I've been doing every exercise in every section...
 
Who is nerdiest bookworm professor here? Who is freebie?
 
@TechnoKnight If it's ABC Triangle, then you can draw it any way, it'll always be right
 
2:00 PM
@abhas_RewCie But why?
 
@TechnoKnight It'll always be ABC, either clockwise or anticlockwise
 
I have tedshifrin book to do and also E&M Jackson so probably need to learn every sht as soon as possible .
 
@TechnoKnight access denied
 
You just need to read them, given that you already have these textbooks.
 
@TechnoKnight yes access denied to me too.
 
2:03 PM
You don't need to collect many textbooks.
 
@Yai0Phah I do need to follow course given by gerard t hoft and a Quant mathematician
 
Are you attending a course?
 
@abhas_RewCie But what if they we calculate ABC's area?
 
@Yai0Phah It is course list given by two professional scientists.
 
I will need the base, right?
Then how will I know if I should take AB or BC's length?
 
2:05 PM
@TechnoKnight area isn't dependent on orientation, take any side as base
 
But what is your goal?
 
To learn linear algebra or to learn a specific book?
If you want to learn linear algebra, it is not necessary to follow the selected book.
 
@Yai0Phah I'd master every steps from a book. If I read a book I 100% try to master them.
I am kinda strict to myself.
 
As I said, you can select another book, correct?
Given that you are not accessible to the selected book.
And at the level of linear algebra, there is no bible.
 
2:08 PM
But I don't know which books are best and cover standard topic.
 
There is no best book.
 
I need at least intutive and rigorous book like those cambridge university press publish.
Ah may be they have.
@Yai0Phah Yes there is.
very hard to find
 
You can have a try. Seemingly CUP gives open access in the period of COVID-19.
There is no best book. Each book has its advantage and disadvantage. It is also highly personal.
 
@Yai0Phah CUP? What is that.
 
Cambridge University Press
 
2:13 PM
@Yai0Phah Why it is highly personal!
 
If I understand correctly, they give open access to textbooks during pandemic.
Well, a book could be easy for A to understand but difficult for B to understand. Everybody learns their own mathematics.
 
I love books from CUP. It is very rigorous. It never disappointed me in both physics and mathematical books.
 
Sometimes the reader learns more from a book than the author him/herself.
I mean, the content in the book inspires the reader some thought which is not foreseen by the author.
 
It is good to outsmart author.
 
But anyway, in my opinion, you can just pick up a book on linear algebra, given that you already have some. Then you try to master it "100%", although this is practically impossible.
 
2:18 PM
@TechnoKnight sorry my PC Crashed
Overheating
I had opened 600 tabs
 
Oh
it's ok
but holy shit 600 tabs?
 
@Yai0Phah reading book is a journey, not a destination
 
Even I, who is a programmer, don't open more than 30 tabs before closing them
that's crazy
 
I was playing around with JS
 
@TechnoKnight I do have 20 tabs open on my android tablet.
 
2:21 PM
Bye
I've to survive coronavirus
 
It is better to start to learn the linear algebra, rather than wandering around to search for an ideal book.
 
@Yai0Phah That website reminded that the best thing I did is try to outsmart author but worsept is that every proof was mostly proved in my mind instead of writing note on notebook I wrote them on walls , Tables or Random paper.
@Yai0Phah Today I am resting my intensely focused brain because real analysis 800 problem drained my energy a lot.
 
My impression is that
 
I think it's dumb to fully solve 800 problems but it is worth it.
 
given that you have finished a book, then it is very easy to read another book to see what you have missed.
 
2:25 PM
@Yai0Phah Truth.
You have to recall theorems.
 
At the level of linear algebra, it is not that different.
 
And doing this you can review stuffs.
 
Usually books are not that bad.
Are you a school student?
 
@Yai0Phah High schooler lol.
I wasted my 2 yr playing fps game due to depression.
And accelerated very fast to undergraduate stuff.
I have learned linear algebra but now I have changed my mind to use book.
After mastering lots of stuff and discovering new theorems or solving open problems I can again will be able to play fps game.
I miss video games.
I have ordered 8 undergraduate book from Amazon. All out of my pocket money.
🤧😢😢😢 R.I.P money.
 
It is unnecessary to order a lot of books
You will find them useless in your later life.
 
2:32 PM
Nah It's just Group theory, Ecludian and non version of its geometry, Chaos theory, ODE, Metric space, Measure theory , Topology .... etc
@Yai0Phah Why?
I wanna buy newton's natural philosophy principia and Euclid element too
I have traits of newton except I am not as dik as him.
Ok I am seriously as dik as him in real life. And a autistic kid lol.
 
What I meant is a lot of books covering the same topic.
 
Also left handed
 
Ok, let $f\colon X\rightarrow Y$ be a continuous, proper bijection and $Y$ a first-countable Hausdorff space. Let $A\subseteq X$ be closed. Consider a sequence $(y_n)_n$ in $A$ converging to a $y\in Y$. Qua definition, write $y_n=f(x_n)$ for some $x_n\in A$ for each $n$, and by surjectivity, write $y=f(x)$ for some $x\in X$. By convergence, $\{f(x),f(x_1),\dotsc,f(x_n),\dotsc\}$ is a compact set (one element of an open cover contains $f(x)$, hence all but finitely many elements of the sequence). Properness and bijectivity yield that $\{x,x_1,\dotsc,x_n,\dotsc\}$ is a compact set. Hence, it
 
@Yai0Phah Rolfmao Who in the sane mind buys 8 linear algebra books .
 
I bought several books on functional analysis and PDE.
 
2:36 PM
@Yai0Phah Lol.
Graduate text?
 
It is very difficult to distinguish undergrad level and grad level.
 
For now I think I am gonna earn money by gambling or going to restaurant for jobs.
How do you guys earn money for living?
I gamble at night and earn $300-400 at weekend.
Evening is risky.
 
@Balarka but I don't yet see why the map is proper either; what do the compact subspaces of a vector bundle look like?
 
Dude CUP got 5 star rating. Now I will always buy CUP books!
 
I guess they have to be fiberwise closed and bounded?
 
2:55 PM
CUP doesn't provide ross.
I mean probability.
Which is sad.
wtf is Groebner bases
 
Which is very prevalent as a textbook in probability.
 

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