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Turns out years of screaming at them was totally ineffective. What we should have been doing all along is making memes that made fun of them

@GeoffGriswald um, not sure that's accurate. I think they are just using Chorium as the engine for the Edge browser

sure

but it's just Chrome with a microsoft skin on in that case

which is what these W3 standards people have been crying about for years

"muh interoperability!!!"

with a helpful scoop of "lemme sell my life and my profile to you for free surfing!"

Well, it also probably doesn't send everything you do to Google's ad department.

I love how Google goes to so much effort to make sure nobody sees the actual .exe for Chrome.

@this that

You need a packet sniffer and re-assemble the packets manually, pratically...

FF FTW!

Of course. the moment you use an Android or i phone, you've sold given away paid for the privilege of having every detail of your digital life shared, sorted, organized & sold to the highest bidder, the next highest bidder, heck anyone with a few coins in his pocket.

^

Who are these people that put every detail of their life into a web browser?

@FreeMan I don't yet :D

Windows phone, sure--but I already use Windows as my daily driver.

lol we found him

the one Windows Phone user

@GeoffGriswald You have a contact list in your phone? How 'bout Faceborg, Twit, Snapchat? Email? Basically any app you use on your phone, especially the default ones provided by Google & Apple - they own it all

Email.

I do'nt use any of that shit

Nothing else.

I have a Twitter account--no contact list.

also, what browser you use has no bearing on how much data Facebook can harvest

Nothing Google or Apple-based.

No Facebook.

@FreeMan In a way, that is more criminal because unlike a web browser, you bought for a phone and pay for a service.

this Chrome Paranoia is total nonsene

@GeoffGriswald I FOUND HIM! THE CHROME USER!

sure, Google track what ads you click on, but who cares?

With a web browser, they can at least make the case that free browser is an exchange using non-monetary terms.

I use Adblock anyway and never see any

@this Yes, the service is sharing your life with every advertiser willing to spend two-bits to get it.

@GeoffGriswald It's more than what ads you click on.

^

what else is it?

Your contacts.

It's what pages you visit, how you scroll through the page, where your mouse moves.

Your calendar.

I do'nt have any contacts on my browser

Ever heard of Google Analytics?

my calendar is on my phone

yes

(Adblock blocks that too, FWIW.)

That's what they track.

Geoff missed the redirect to Android/iPhone

what about it?

Without our consent.

google anlytics works on any browser

it's not a chrome thingh

I don't mind tracking which ads I click.

The thing is--it's baked into Chrome.

Even if you have no contacts and don't use email, Google likely already know who you are, what sites you are visiting, etc. just by the virtue of using their engine.

and?

It's not just the script that you can block.

yep

They track your location, your computer's audio capabilities.

google knowing who you are from using google, the search engine, is also not specific to chrome

Which CPU you have, how much memory.

anyone who uses google gets tracked by google

@GeoffGriswald I don't use Google.

oh no!!! they know what CPU I HAVE?!?!!? AIIEEEEE

Once again, I use Bing, because MS already has my information anyway, through Windows.

that's fine then

@GeoffGriswald but even if you weren't, they still know because of Google Analytics on various sites.

So it's just the fact it's a company other than MS that makes you scared of it?

@GeoffGriswald In fact, there are reports that they (along with Fb and others) listen through your audio and watch through your camera clandestinely.

Just play Spanish recordings to your phone for a few weeks.

Granted, we've all consented to give away that info (its all in the EULA that nobody reads), but that doesn't mean we have to like it - there aren't many other options if you want to be online.

@GeoffGriswald No, I'm not scared. I'm just not going to make it any easier than I need to.

so far you've come up with google analytics (every browser), the google search engine (every browser) and... they know how much RAM I have??

I don't like MS doing it either.

nothing specifically about Chrome worrying me there...

I'm just saying, MS has it anyway simply because I use Windows.

^^ this doesn't worry you?

that image does, sure, but that's not the reality of what's happening

It is.

Actually, it is.

if you have adblock installed, Chrome is as private as any other browser

is it....

Last summer, I was in the car talking with my wife about that TV show we used to watch with Paul Riser and Helen Hunt. When I stopped driving, I pulled up FF on my Android phone, typed "TV Pau" and it autocompleted "l Riser Helen Hunt". Google Voice listens, even though I have it as turned off as is possible

You focus on RAM and CPU, but in fact they know who you are, what you looked at, etc.

Google are running a fascist police state, based on disinformation and physical torture?

@GeoffGriswald No, it isn't. This stuff is built into Chrome natively.

that is new information to me...

@GeoffGriswald They are enabling China, who does.

lol freeman

They are tracking this information and giving it to China so they can continue running their business over there.

what information? what you watch on TV?

@GeoffGriswald let's take another look at this... you google a restaurant, click their reservation button, you put in "2" and your name, plus a phone number to contact you. You get a text later confirming your appointment and when you show up, there is a nice sign that says happy birthday. that company is paying google for all of the information associated with that phone number, and if your email address is under google, that is provided, too.

why would China give a flying crap about that?

@GeoffGriswald it's a 20 year old TV show. Why would that possibly be the first "suggestion" if it wasn't listening.

now, you've got a weird place telling you happy birthday, when you hate birthdays, and they're emailing you ads.

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] IvenBach opened issue #5289: Test Explorer slow to respond

oh no, not birthdays! I HATE those

@GeoffGriswald Maybe because they want to know if you can safely be allowed to show up at the polls when they have an election.

it's the interconnectivity which I believe is the main antagonizer for people's frustration

when google have an election?

IF I enabled google assistant, I'd be all for it. HOWEVER, I have NOT enabled google assistant, and it's STILL listening anyway. THAT offends me.

you're confusing the government with a search engine company

serves you right for using Android tbqh

never had siri listen in on my like that

No, you're ignoring the bigger point.

I'm sure Siri will do quite the same.

@GeoffGriswald Please. You just asked me why China would be interested in the information.

and Apple don't have a search engine to track me with

I just told you why China is, and you think I'm confusing them with Google.

Isn't Safari based on Chromium?

so apple isn't tracking you, google is.

No, Gecko, IINM.

SSDD

China are 100% not interested in my google search history, I can tell you that for free

@GeoffGriswald Maybe if you live in the US they aren't.

They sure are if you live in China.

@Hosch250 maybe they are! #ConspiracyTheoryFTW

ok, so I should not use Chrome because I might live in China one day?

Point is, if US decides they are interested in everyone's history, Google will work with them to provide it.

these arguments aren't very compelling...

they don't have access to my history

only certain parts of it that get tracked, which is almost nothing since I use adblock

Just like IBM worked with Nazi Germany to identify who had Jewish heritage. They couldn't have rounded people up nearly as efficiently if IBM hadn't told them who was Jewish and who wasn't.

riiiiiiight

if you use an apple phone, you are guaranteed to have apple tracking keystrokes and websites you use, which pairs to a phone number, which pairs to a name, which may or may not pair to an email address. apple has acknowledged time and time again that they log all information, though they refuse to indicate clearly what they do with that data. tim cook spoke about it to investors in the same meeting when he said people fixing old phones instead of buying new ones hurt their bottom line.

so when Trump demands the name and address of every liberal, Google will furnish him with a list of everyone that uses Reddit?

@GeoffGriswald No, because they know which Redditors are liberal. Lots of conservatives on there too.

Cyril I know that, and I'm fine with it

They'll give him the subset of Redditors who are liberal.

And liberals who don't use Reddit too.

so again, what has Chrome got to do with any of this?

Ask not for whom the bell tolls, for the bell tolls for a troll

it seems you just have this general conspiracy theory that involves any big company (except Microsoft for some reason), and since Chrome is made by a big company, it bad.

@GeoffGriswald funny you should ask that... according to cambridge analytica, you have to have some specific criterion to make those assumptions, but they can give you lists of all pairings for people who have acknowledged a site by analyzing what else the IP address which posted from that account also logged into, thus narrowing down "who" you are

Because Chrome tracks all this for you--and can track you across computers even if you uninstall and reinstall it, and more. Even if you wipe your computer and install Linux, they can tell by the hardware.

The search engine alone can't do that.

cool, but again, what am I worrying about it leaking, exactly?

@GeoffGriswald THAT is the point. If you're fine with it, good for you. Not everyone is, but there won't be and opt-out for those who aren't. Google's going to break ad blockers, on purpose, so those that aren't fine with it will still be tracked.

It can come close, but it doesn't have full access to the hardware.

I really don't mind if they super, duper know how much RAM I have

Your opinion and feeling on the subject aren't the only ones and aren't, by default, the right ones for everyone else just because they're yours

zero visits to facebook in the last 12 months, yep, take that one google

@GeoffGriswald Maybe you would if Trump did decide to round up everyone who didn't vote for him.

they don't know my real name, phone number, email address etc

Feeding time is over

@GeoffGriswald Yes, they do.

they would have real difficulty supplying anything useful to trump

@GeoffGriswald Welcome to the pond. I've been out of the dev loop for a bit so sorry if this is a redundant welcome.

Ever typed your name into a credit card payment form on a website?

@GeoffGriswald therein lies the biggest point of the debate... people who claim "i have nothing to hide" so they don't particularly care versus people who are adamant about "you can't have my data" versus the persons in the middle, e.g., adult who doesn't care but doesn't want their underage kids tracked

They track form inputs.

yes, all the time

They know your credit card as well as your name and phone and address.

no they don't

you can voluntarily store those details in chrome, I've never done so

@IvenBach don't feed the troll

Not worried about that--that's just on your local computer.

I use that in FF too. They do more than track it there though.

@FreeMan ahh, it's a new account as of today; copy

you seriously believe they harvest the data from credit card number forms on online shops?

do you not hear yourself? That's paranoid and delusional

You believe that the Google Maps cars would sniff out every computer on your home networks?

What's the general thing for getting rid of a whole module you no longer use? Obviously, delete the code from VBA and remove from the tracked directory. Do you keep it stored away somewhere "just in case" or do you just bin it?

That's paranoid too--but they lost a court case because an internal group of people reported them for doing it.

The google maps cars did for a short period take inventory on open wifi hotspots yeah

my wifi has never been open though, so no.

Not on open wifi spots.

All wifi spots. Go read the court records.

yes, just on open wifi spots

I have.

@Hosch250 shhhh.....

@FreeMan I'm not up to date with chat. @Cyril noted.

they can't connect to my wifi without the password dingus

You might think so...

@FreeMan If you have it in SC you can grab it from there.

I know so

Bet your modem doesn't even use SHA1 to store it.

pffs

as If I'd have my wifi router be the same device as my modem

@IvenBach yeah... but... that takes effort... (i.e. I'm not sure how to root it out). And in 6 months will I even remember it's there?

what is this, amateur hour?

Read the court record. They developed an attack where they'd figured out how to recover passwords from "secured" modems.

my wifi router is on a totally different DMZ to my modem, which is through a hardware firewall to my ethernet router... good luck google car...

@FreeMan mumble mumble :shrug:. Stash it in an 'archive' directory and remember it's there.

yeah yeah

like 1% of routers, who cares

@GeoffGriswald Oh, so you are paranoid enough to even create DMZs? Well, most people weren't.

Some people scream about "online privacy", then post pictures on Facebook and let their device upload to Google/Apple/whatever with the GPS logging info in the EXIF data. Funny...

They just put a simple password in there.

and once the leadership found out that was happening they stopped it right away. Just some over enthusiastic employee

@GeoffGriswald Actually, no. No employee would have the authority to install that unrelated software.

The "enthusiastic employee" was the fall guy. I've seen big corporations in action. I used to work for a software provider for them.

but again, even if what you're saying is true, the google car has no relationship with the browser Chrome

@IvenBach yeah. probably... (Odds of using code in future: between zero and none. None just left the building) But... WHAT IF

so your delusion about it driving around hacking everyone's wifi is fun to think about, but is not a real reason not to use Crhome

@GeoffGriswald Just like Google Maps has no relationship with the network infrastructure.

correct

Just because Google Chrome is a web browser doesn't mean it's not also spyware.

correct, the fact that it isn't spyware means it's not spyware

And after the maps thing, I just don't trust them anymore not to be.

the fact that it's a web browser doesn't preclude it from being spyware, you're right

@FreeMan Belts-n-Suspenders is good. I've lost so much code thinking #IllNeverUseThisAgain only to be sorry later.

so for you it's more a general feeling of distrust, rather than anything that the browser actually does

that's cool. You enjoy being ruled by feelings, I'll just base my actions on facts

@IvenBach Yeah... I've spent the last 4 years recreating things I did at my last job (just basic utility functions) that I keep kicking myself for not having stashed somewhere...

Correct. I can't prove the browser does anything wrong--and even if I could, I'd probably go to jail for breaking the no-disassembly terms and conditions. So, I'm just not going to use it and not going to try.

how astonishingly dumb of you

On the other hand, I know enough of the information they actively provide to China and other regimes.

"I think it might be bad, I don't want to check, I'll just beleive it's bad with no evidence, and also tell other people it's bad too, based on no evidence"

they don't provide any information to China

China provides them with a list of sites to block, and they block them

You so sure? Go live there then.

that's about as far as the relationship goes

China have their own information gathering stuff

they'd never rely on a US company to do it for them

I think blocking sites on chines google is a shitty thing to do mind you

It's not a reason not to use chrome, but it's shitty

@Hosch250 It's kinda funny only seeing your side of the argument. Also kinda pointless

@FreeMan LOL.

oh dear

lalala I'm not listening

Well, obviously it's going nowhere, so maybe it's best we peacefully go our own way.

the true sign of someone who knows his position is completely wrong

If it keeps going on, I'll move the whole discussion to another room.

you giving up already?

@GeoffGriswald Only because I have real work to do.

And because it honestly doesn't matter to me. We both stated our position, and neither agrees.

We can both have our opinions without killing each other. Unless, of course, you are Kim Jong Un or something.

you've come up with absolutely nothing other than unsubstantiated bullshit and bias, and you admit to using EDGE

Or the Pooh Bear from China.

@GeoffGriswald LOL, I didn't. You just proved you didn't even read my messages.

there's a fancy button to ignore a user everywhere... did that when i found it was a brand new account trolling (thanks freeman for pointing that out)

I said above I used Firefox :D

well firefox is ok, it's no chrome but it's a decent-ish alternative

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rude

do you guys have these on your cars?

or maybe you don't use cars because they're made by big companies who just want your driving data

how many times you turn the wheel, what gas stations you use

then they sell it all to CHINA!