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7:00 PM
Ah - under GDPR, minors can't give consent
 
@KorvinStarmast 👍
 
Lesson for today: Don't share accounts.
Hope he didn't use that password elsewhere.
 
So you would need consent from a parent or guardian before you could use detect evil on a child under 16, if you are interested in recording the result of the spell.
 
@kviiri well I think the meta drama comes about as a result of a compromise in security. We want updates and details on a specific issue, but there's no way to tell if the edits are from the original question asker or someone using their account. The whole system comes crashing down at this point. I wouldnt call it a mole-hill.
 
@SPavel What if the caster is under 16?
 
7:01 PM
@Maximillian My wife and I have shared a checking account for 29+ years. (But of course, the ToS don't prohibit that ....)
 
@JohnP The caster doesn't matter
 
I think Joint Checking is a real thing so you're probably okay.
 
Also - you may not record the target's deity, at all.
 
@SPavel no, there's an exemption where it's legal if the caster is within two years of age of the target
 
7:02 PM
This is getting weird
 
So if expectant parents do things like having a gender reveal party, does this open the door to an alignment reveal party?
 
@Maximillian Cheech and Chong had Joint checking accounts, didn't they? :) Profits from Up in SMoke? :)
 
@PremierBromanov Edits can always be judged case by case. Security breach or no, an edit that changes a question's meaning substantially can always be rejected.
 
"It's a boy. And he's Chaotic Neutral."
 
@Maximillian mother: "oh dear god no..."
 
7:03 PM
@Maximillian Chaotic Infant is the default alignment, isn't it?
 
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Q: Can we dupe the older question to this newer question about unarmed attacks and spells?

RubiksmooseShould we reverse the duplication on this: Can I cast Blade Ward and then make my monk unarmed strike with a bonus action? and make Can a monk make a bonus unarmed attack after using shocking grasp? the duplicate? The newer answer is much more fleshed out and seems a better Q&A to point to.

 
Please keep in mind Alignment can change with time, effort, and the acceptance of a GM.
 
*whoops, there goes more pee on the floor....."
 
@TheOracle I really had a hard time phrasing this request lol
 
"Court finds the defendant Chaotic Good in light of recent changes."
 
7:04 PM
@kviiri right but how are we to know the validity of any claim? If someone edits the question as saying, in this example, "The girl didnt seem bothered by it", can we judge that? These are facts we can't validate. Maybe the girl really was upset by it, but someone sneakily added the small fact that she was "okay with it". These types of things we cant judge as accurate. details of a conflict are not ours to judge
 
@Jake Hi! You'll need 20+ rep to type in chat, but you're welcome to hang out until then.
 
@PremierBromanov Yeah, you're right about that, but I mean... we can simply block the account for ToS violation, without assuming bad faith, and tell the user to be more careful the next time.
 
Witness testimony is necessarily divided by the witnesses, not a hodgepodge of claims
 
@Maximillian Court finds the defendant Chaotic Good in light of recent changes A fresh diaper does help, yes?
 
@kviiri So is that a molehill or a mountain? Im not sure where your statement fits in with the discussion at hand
 
7:07 PM
I think kviiri's point about "do the best we can, and alert diamond mods of something smells bad" is probably the limit of what a member can do.
 
Right now there's deleted stuff as well as an account compromise. The fact is everyone's better with the account suspended, including the people who were using it.
 
@PremierBromanov With Enlarge/Reduce, is there really a difference?
 
@PremierBromanov What I mean is, I think this is a problem that, from the site's POV, is easily contained
 
@Yuuki yes?
 
@doppelgreener Yeah, unless the advice to get help IRL was ignored ... (I thought @GreySage laid out some good advice, but I am seeing it from a third person perspective)
 
7:09 PM
Of course it sucks for the people involved
 
@kviiri Oh sure. I guess my point was that, as far as drama goes, this is absolutely not a mole-hill. Easily solvable, but important none-the-less.
 
@Rubiksmoose I've edited my answer for the Monk bonus action question to add that the answer doesn't change if the spell makes an attack roll, so now it actually answers the original duplicated question, in case the dupe is reversed.
Just to let you know :P
 
@PremierBromanov This is one of the reasons we have moderators. Moderators are here for cases just like cases of a rules violations and site misuse. And have elevated ability to deal with these things.
@HellSaint thanks! That is a big help. I didn't consider that honestly.
 
@PremierBromanov I guess we're talking about different scales of the issue. I think the site can handle misuse and it's no biggie. The issues described in the posts themselves are of course serious biz, but issues that we, as anonymous strangers, can only do so much about.
The best we can do is try to not let our site worsen the situation through malicious use.
 
@kviiri Right. I think we're talking past eachother. Or at least I'm talking past you. My apologies lol. at any rate, they handled this the right way
 
7:12 PM
@PremierBromanov Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm very good at talking past people too :)
 
@HellSaint Good answer btw :)
 
@HellSaint Ok, I posted it as a new silly question. Now awaiting downvotes.
 
Anyone knows what's going on with those questions about a teenager D&D group?
 
Multiple users, one account ...
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Only speculation. Scroll up.
 
7:14 PM
Community notice: This has been rolled back, bounties refunded, and locked down for the moment, due to their account being compromised. — SevenSidedDie ♦ 30 mins ago
 
@MikeQ I came back to chat just to LOL YOU ACTUALLY POSTED IT
 
Lets not make it bigger than it is: an account was compromised, the community noticed, the moderators locked it down to give the user an opportunity to resolve the issue.
 
@HellSaint you absolute madman
 
@BESW users? (how does one know which one will be responding to the mods during resolution? Transparent to us, which is just as well)
 
7:18 PM
@HellSaint I wonder if Empty Hand Monk + Magus would do it. Pick up a cabbage, use it to deliver empowered shocking grasp. By RAW, the cabbage is unharmed.
 
@BESW Is it possible that the account will return to its user and gets unbanned?
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy How would we know it's de-compromised?
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy I'd leave that to the mod team.
 
@KorvinStarmast oh, huh.....
I wonder if it's the guy that he was worried about
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy [shakes magic 8 ball] "Cannot predict now."
 
7:19 PM
@goodguy5 Not our problem
 
@KorvinStarmast I didn't say it was
 
@MikeQ Pick up a dead goblin* (that's an actual 5e example from PHB)
 
Would be awful if it turns out that the whole group actually doesn't exist
But rather funny
 
@goodguy5 welcome back...
 
I think he was just saying it was best not to start a conversation that would lead to speculation more than reprimand you for saying anything speicifally
 
7:20 PM
I wish I could have read the "group is harassing me" question
@KorvinStarmast thanks. 2.5 hour meetings
heluva thing
 
@HellSaint Go as kensai magus, take Weapon Focus (dead goblin) and Weapon Specialization (dead goblin)
 
> "What's a four-letter word for 'foggy weather'?"
> *shakes magic 8-ball*
> "Reply hazy, try again."
 
@goodguy5 Sadly, you now only have two wishes on your ring ...
 
but my wish wasn't gratned!
 
@goodguy5 It seemed to be from the perspective of the groper, and it wasn't very interesting. Basically just "I didn't do anything wrong, and now people are being mean".
 
7:24 PM
BTW, it bothered me a bit that the OP of those teenager group questions wasn't very eager to answer to those asking for clarifications.
 
ah
 
I was actually going to ask them about the reason for that
 
and why give everyone access to the account
 
@Baskakov_Dmitriy I tried. Multiple times. Got no response. Who knows why.
 
@goodguy5 Because he assumed that the group would not have another problem, and this way everyone could talk to us?
 
7:25 PM
About the suspended account thing, I'm actually impressed that this is so uncommon here that it becomes such a ruckus. Most forums would be like "welp one more banhammer, keep things going". Let's chill and let mods do mods things.
 
@goodguy5 Well we can't know that for sure, it might as well be that the account was compromised and that was just coverup by a malicious party.
 
oh yea. could be
 
@HellSaint It makes me glad.
 
But it might as well be an honest attempt to ease communications.
 
it sucks being a teenager. glad I never was one
 
7:26 PM
@HellSaint Yeah, this kind of thing is rare here.
 
Kids are dumb and do dumb things
 
Speaking of kids, the eagles are napping
 
> "How do I manage my e-mail?"
> *shakes magic 8-ball*
> "Outlook good."
 
@Yuuki Outlook is not good
 
@MikeQ Wow, the beagle got really big
 
7:27 PM
@MikeQ The parent rather looks to be trying not to doze off, what with the head-shaking ;)
 
@Yuuki And this is why you shouldn't use a magic 8 ball to make decisions.
 
> "Outlook not so good."
> "What are abacuses good for?"
> *shakes magic 8-ball*
> "You can count on it."
 
@BESW what? I've made all my life-changing decisions using that method!
 
"I asked my wife if she'll make pizza. She said no. What do I do?"
*shakes magic 8-ball*
"Ask again later"
BESW is right. (...you shouldn't use a magic 8 ball to make decisions.)
 
> "I was on the bed earlier and now I have bug bites. What should I do?"
> *shakes magic 8-ball*
> "You may rely on it."
 
@kviiri That, and parades, and fireforks, and “traditional” garb, and marching bands, and stuff.
 
@Anaphory Oo, sounds cool!
 
@HellSaint Maybe I should rewrite it: What is the largest size creature that can be used as a weapon for Spellstrike?
 
I did like it much better than Koningsdag in the Netherlands, for example.
 
Cue a colossal dragon wielding a huge dragon
 
7:36 PM
@MikeQ it just has to be one size smaller than you, right?
 
@MikeQ I don't know, how big are size creatures usually? I don't think they have an entry in the DMG.
 
@goodguy5 I don't know. There are feats and other classes/archetypes that let you wield bigger things as 1-handed weapons
 
@Anaphory I like that the Norwegians celebrate their Constitution on their national day. It feels somehow more connected to modern virtues than celebration of monarchs or independence.
(I learned that from watching Skam, the Norwegian TV show)
 
@Yuuki but weapons have size categories in 3.x/pf
 
@kviiri I guess it is the universal stat.
 
7:37 PM
@kviiri Also that!
 
It's not like a Norwegian mage would be celebrating their Strength.
 
@Yuuki Zing!
 
I've never been this far north, and it's only 60⁰N. I still find it strange that the sun hasn't set yet, and will be up again by 4am, and there will barely be twilight in between.
 
Yeah, it's fantastic! (unless you want to get sleep and have bad curtains)
What've you been up to in Norway?
 
And yet the night life is rubbish
 
7:55 PM
Walks in the warm, long Summer evenings are fantastic though
 
Ok, how about... goblin monk (empty hand) / fighter (titan fighter), dual wielding 2 other goblins. Flurry of goblins.
Could those goblins dual-wield other goblins?
 
Could those goblins dual-wield goblins wielding other goblins?
 
@Yuuki Would being struck by such a fractal goblin deal 1d8+1d6+1d4+1d3+1d2+1 damage?
 
@SPavel No, a chain of goblins would be considered an improvised weapon and therefore deal 1d4 damage.
 
1 Colossal dragon, dual wielding gargantuan dragons, each dual wielding huge dragons, each dual wielding four-armed sahuagins, each quad-wielding four-armed gargoyles, each quad-wielding halflings, each dual-wielding awakened cats, each dual-wielding awakened mice, each dual-wielding bees. All are empty hand monks, dipping into titan fighter or jotungrip barbarian.
 
8:06 PM
@MikeQ 1d4+STR bludgeoning damage.
 
@Yuuki Empty hand monk would let them use their monk weapon damage
> TODO: Homebrew rules for a katamari weapon
 
@MikeQ 1d4 damage
 
> GM: "You fall 500 feet to your death."
Player: "No, the ground is an improvised weapon, it should do 1d4 damage"
 
The ground isn't a weapon wielded by the planet, you actually have to make an opposed grapple check.
 
@Yuuki Plot hook: yes it is
 
8:16 PM
Flying is just succeeding on your grapple checks against gravity/Earth.
 
@Yuuki Honestly, this is the kind of thinking that high level D&D needs
 
The barbarian is so scary that the earth itself recoils from his visage. Now he can fly. Deal with it.
 
@SPavel If you have high enough movement speed, you can overcome the difficult terrain that is the passage of time and you can run into the past.
 
@SPavel This is the premise of NK Jemisin's Broken Earth trilogy.
 
8:18 PM
I'm like 80% sure this is how The Flash works.
 
@Yuuki Faulty premise: assuming The Flash works.
 
@BESW Nobody in Broken Earth can fly
Except the crystals but those don't count
 
@SPavel No, that the ground is a weapon wielded by the planet.
 
@BESW Allegedly yes but during the book we never actually see this happening
All the earthquakes and stuff are from orogenes getting spicy
 
...I'm guessing you haven't The Stone Sky.
 
8:22 PM
I thought that's how you did spoilers hm
Nope not that way either
 
To see possible spoilers.
 
Ah yep I have not read The Stone Sky
 
Hmm... I didn't eat enough for lunch and now I'm hungry.
 
@Yuuki You can see the history of a deleted post too
 
@SPavel Only if you're a mod, I think? Because there's no link to message history for that deleted message.
Or maybe if you know the message id.
 
8:28 PM
Elected moderators (blue name) and room owners (italic name) can see histories including deleted posts.
 
@Yuuki Ah, huh. I can see it, I guess because it was mine.
Anyway, it's moot because I just went and looked up the first sentence of the plot synopsis for The Stone Sky to confirm that I have not read it
But I need to read Servant of Rage first
 
It's a very satisfying cap to the series.
 
@BESW Essun punches Schaffa in the face for 300 pages?
 
Hahah, Schaffa doesn't get that much dignity.
 
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Q: Question listed as duplicate of wrong other question

Ben BardenCan Eldritch Blast be Twinned? is currently listed as a duplicate of Does a sorcerer's metamagic work for non-sorcerer spells?, but the answer to that question is not correct for this one. It seems to me like it should be either reopened and answered as-is or listed as a duplicate to Does twinne...

 
8:39 PM
I love how Jemisin, like Okorafor, laughs at, and writes books which actively oppose, attempts to categorize stories as science fiction or fantasy or afrofuturist or anything else.
 
It seems you don't get progress on the Epic badge if you lose accepted status during the day.
 
I've created a meta question which seems dumb, but I swear I just want to help :( Hahaha
I gotta go now, so I'll be reading it only in ~8 hrs. Love ya, community.
 
And her moral conclusion for the series has been remarked upon as a fundamental challenge to the moral inertia of traditional fantasy.
 
@TheOracle Per this answer, you can twin Eldritch Blast but only before you get a second beam?
 
@Yuuki actually the magma layer wields the crust. If I disarm the earth did I just discard all of the crust 5 feet adjacent to the exposed lava ball that was earth?
 
8:42 PM
@BESW I am not sure that's true; "fantasy" doesn't mean "no technology" and "science fiction" doesn't mean "no magic"
 
That would be the point, yes.
Genres are not objective content descriptions, and Jemisin and Okorafor push against attempts to codify them that way.
 
FFXV did a weird and intriguing weave of technology and magic.
 
@Maximillian And product placement.
 
Premium ingredients Yuuki. PREMIUM INGREDIENTS.
 
@SPavel I had a rather entertaining conversation about the latter with a self-proclaimed science fiction fan who was rather disappointed that the genre is so heavily dominated by the "magic-laden mock scifi" that is Star Wars.
 
8:46 PM
Your party has cellphones and a car, but they're still mostly sword slinging and flinging magic.
 
See also the scifi.se argument in which someone insisted that no allegorical work should be considered fantasy.
 
@kviiri I feel like classic "hard" sci-fi has been home to the wackiest mysticism
Half the things by the likes of Clarke, Heinlein, Asimov
 
Asimov has psionics, Clarke has the space baby, Herbert has the Bene Gesserit...
 
@SPavel ....Hubbard's introduction to Battlefield Earth is purest fantasy.
 
@SPavel Oh oh oh! Heinlein! I seriously never grew to like his works but have you read the Sixth Column? It's weird.
 
8:48 PM
There is nothing wrong with bone-dry scifi that only has science, but then it just becomes technical manuals
 
James S. A. Corey just picks a few bits of science to go hard on, and handwaves the others.
 
@SPavel I dunno, I liked The Martian. Although in no small part because of the heavy emphasis on science
 
Does that make it a 'medium-well' Sci-fi?
 
I guess I like manuals.
 
Charles Stross (Iron Sunrise, Singularity Sky) has good hardness
@kviiri This is a chatroom for arguing about manuals :)
@Maximillian Stiff peaks sci-fi
 
8:49 PM
"How Nnedi Got Her Curved Spine" is creative non-fiction.
 
I prefer the Laundry Files for Charles Stross. I want to believe that magic does exist, turns out it's just math, and we've made practical applications for it. By the way do not solve the mandlebrot set, things live in the bottom of it and it makes them angry.
 
@kviiri Yeah, but automatics these days are good enough that there's no increased mileage/efficiency from using a manual.
 
Overall, I don't like "science fiction" as a genre descriptor because it tends to only describe a very vague set of qualities a work has, usually stopping after the setting.
 
@Maximillian I've heard of this but not read it
 
I like science fiction when spaceships are firing really cool weapons at each other.
@SPavel It starts with The Atrocity Archives. Very british, very nerdy. Sort of a Corporate Employee Life / Cthulthu Mythos novel.
 
8:52 PM
@kviiri I like the definition of science fiction as a technology to induce defamiliarization in the reader, and then examine issues without baggage
 
The second book features a power point presentation with a kill-slide that zombifies the viewers.
 
Wherein "fantasy" tends to be exactly that
Under this definition, Star Wars is not science fiction, which I am fine with
Though ironically, Lord of the Rings might be read as sci-fi (the pastoral Hobbits and noble aristocratic Aragorn fight industrialism)
 
but balrogs
 
Balrogs /with jetpacks/.
 
@Yuuki A balrog is just a rapidly oxidizing carbon based lifeform
 
8:54 PM
I think you're cutting it down to whether something is Fiction or Non-Fiction at this point.
 
@Maximillian No
It's still fiction
 
Something something Gandalf is not a wizard.
 
@Yuuki Gandalf is a 5th level magic user
If you read the feats of Hercules, he's level 6
Everything he does except "divert river" and "hold up sky" is mostly wrestle low level monsters
 
The writing chat is so empty
There's only @BESW and the bots
 
@Zachiel The other chats all suck, this is the best chat
 
8:58 PM
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Q: Carrying misconcepts from previous editions - is this Question fine?

HellSaintContext Recently, we got this question about Wizard spellcasting. It was closed as a dupe and, from the OP comments and my answer being accepted, it's clear that he was carrying over a concept from Pathfinder to the 5e which was simply wrong. This problem is pretty frequent, see this confusion ...

 
The Nemean Lion and Luke Cage have the same power. I have questions.
 
@SPavel Yeah but I was in the mood of talking about writing
 
@Yuuki Luke Cage can take on the form of a beautiful woman?
I don't think I've read that fanfic
 
@Zachiel "BESW and the Bots" is the name of my new musical deep dream program.
 
@SPavel Luke Cage can take the form of Nicholas Cage, isn't that enough?
 
9:02 PM
@Zachiel No
 
@SPavel but... Nick Cage!
 
Though now I want to play a Nick Cage Rakshasa character, who can take on the form of any creature but always has the same face rather than the backwards hands
 
> I did it, everyone. I rolled 4 on 4d6 during character generation. This wizard has a 3 in charisma.
> Otyugh has CHA of 6. You are significantly less charismatic than a stinking, diseased, deadly trash eater.
 
@Yuuki Charisma has nothing to do with physical appearance; aboleths are described as stinky and slimy, yet they have great Charisma
Illithids literally have slime oozing out of their faces 24/7
If anything, being slimy is +Cha
3 Cha would be the perfect back office employee
Give them a task and they will plug along happily
If they have objections, they are too awkward to voice them
 
I mean some people are into that.
 
9:09 PM
@SPavel looks like me è_é
 
The "how do you recognize an extroverted engineer" joke comes to mind
(she'll be staring at your shoes)
 
@SPavel hahahahaha
Then I must be an extroverted engineer.
Or maybe I just like shoes.
 
@Zachiel Hey, if they're nice shoes...
 
@SPavel the ones my coworker had today, I really like.
 
@Zachiel I work with both the business and the engineers, the latter have bad fashion in general
The sales guys dress amazing though
 
9:20 PM
Well, the coworker is technically PR
And yes, I guess my fashion is bad
Anyway. Stupid official D&D adventure put two dragon eggs in the dragon hoard. In the hoard of the dragon who is the final boss of the adventure. Hence, now I have players who want to know what they can do with two dragon eggs, and I have no idea.
 
Omelette.
 
Learn juggling.
Become a Hamster Princess villain.
 
One wants to raise a dragon. I'm ok with that, dragons take a lot of time to grow. He knows and he doesn't care, its' just a thing he'd like to write into the future history of his character.
The other one, they want to sell.
 
If a Rogue gets Sneak Attack when the target has an enemy within 5 feet and a Swashbuckler gets Sneak Attack if the target isn't within 5 feet of any of the Swashbuckler's allies, does that mean they can basically Sneak Attack all the time?
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Q: Can a Swashbuckler use Sneak Attack every turn on an isolated target?

YotusThis question is somewhat related to Can you get Sneak Attack with any weapon as a Swashbuckler? One of my players is a Swashbuckler Rogue, and we debated if he could use the Sneak Attack on every attack with the Rakish Audacity ability (from the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide): In additio...

Oh hey, someone already asked this question.
Huh? They must've changed the wording of Swashbucker's Sneak Attack in Xanathar's because that doesn't make sense.
 
Who's crazy enough to buy dragon eggs? What's the market for dragon eggs?
 
9:34 PM
@Zachiel Hagrid.
And also Hagrid.
 
Does this count as kidnapping and sapient trafficking?
 
@Yuuki lol, that might be a nice cameo.
@BESW probably. Yet, they're in the shadowfell.
The mother is dead.
At their hands.
I guess I could charge them for murderhoboism.
(The mother was stealing all the souls of the dead. Maybe I should forgive them this time around.)
 
9:50 PM
Hello @DanielLenz and @bouletta!
 
@Zachiel {Who's crazy enough to buy dragon eggs?} Leroy Jenkins. (As confirmed by the Hearthstone card derived from the infamous youtube video ... )
 
@KorvinStarmast LEEEEEEEEEEROY ...JENKINSSS
@KorvinStarmast I had an hilarious exchange yesterday where I had that druid 1/6 taunt, crypt something, and he tried to kill it with Leeroy. Like, play and attack. Without remembering that the drakelings boosted the crypt creature's health.
 
10:08 PM
@KorvinStarmast does my response to your comment make sense?
Did I understand your critique correctly?
 
@Rubiksmoose let me check
@Zachiel Hee Hee, good silly fun, I do a few 'doh' things like that now and again. :)
 
@Zachiel Poor Leeroy
 
10:27 PM
At least he got chicken ...
 
hey there @KorvinStarmast
 
10:52 PM
@Zachiel lol, what an incredibly expensive way to not kill a 1/6 XD
 
11:46 PM
@BESW also, what are you saying, that dragons don't deserve equal protection under the law?
:P
 
@SevenSidedDie What happened with this question I have been worried about the kid and I saw it was locked.
 

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