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bwDraco

12:07 AM

roar

bwDraco

12:32 AM

amazon.com/Docker-Action-Jeff-Nickoloff/dp/1633430235

Not the most current book on Docker, but should be all the essentials.

The fact that I'm spending money on this shows I'm serious about learning Docker.

@MichaelFrank Or WinKey+L.

Hakase

somebody just gave my q and the answer a downvote and also a close vote for opinion-based :I superuser.com/questions/1322387/…

maybe a mod could look into it in case all 3 came from the same user who doesn't feel ok atm

@MichaelFrank I just did a ctrl+alt+del and I can totally hit cancel in there to gain access :p

0/10 wouldn't trust

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase we can't typically see who dved a post

Hakase

maybe it indicates mass downvoting or close-voting for that user

idk much about mod tools

but from these votes I'm assuming the user's either grumpy or doesn't know how the system works

these things probably sort out themselves eventually

this is kind of a first for me tho

Journeyman Geek

12:48 AM

They do. If it's a decent question sometimes people upvote and no one else closevotes

Hakase

@Burgi is there a good recording you can link?

Michael Frank

1:10 AM

@Hakase No, it's totally legit, company mandated training told me so!

Hakase

@MichaelFrank next thing you know company mandated training wasn't up to code, and the company mandated legal department isn't on your side when bad things go down :I

Michael Frank

Also, here's a fun "hypothetical" situation for you all... Say you go out for a run on your lunch break, you get nice and sweaty and while you're changing back into your very professional looking work clothes, you notice you have not packed spare underwear.

Do you A) put your sweaty underwear back on or B) "freeball" it for the rest of the day?

And since we need to keep this on-topic... NO, I did not have backups.

Hakase

freeball but make sure my zipper is aaaaall the way up and probably insurance-covered by a shirt tucked out above it >.>

if freeballing is out of the question and the sweat is very not pleasant, there is a case to be made for a handmade sweat dessicator in shape of a layer of paper towels because nobody will ever know unless they read this very chat message and trace it back to that hypothetical someone

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank always have backups

Hakase

@JourneymanGeek persperate times call for desperate measures

Michael Frank

1:16 AM

Haha

I don't know if I could handle the... crinkly feeling of the paper.

Our paper towels are not very soft.

Bob

# ls | wc -l
70180

ow

bwDraco

lol

Bob

# ls | wc -l
339231

double ow

maybe I should move this to the local machine

bwDraco

So... is your virtualization server in the cloud?

What do you use it for?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I think most folks here have dedicated servers :p. @allquixotic offered you the use of one iirc :p

Bob

1:30 AM

@bwDraco one of the dedis

one thing VPSes don't really work for is large data storage

also, none of that 'cloud' crap.

I don't need to scale up or down 50 times a day

Journeyman Geek

And I think you find stuff that needs it, then grow as you need to

Bob

so I don't want to pay the 10x price premium for that

bwDraco

So... project ideas? I feel like I'm not making good use of what I have.

Bob

host a file server

Journeyman Geek

Ehhh

You start with a problem that needs solving before you get a tool

ToxicFrog

1:34 AM

^

Michael Frank

I HAVE A HAMMER, WHAT CAN I SMAS

bwDraco

My application was never really to store large amounts of data FWIW.

I was thinking about how to use all that compute and storage on my desktop to actually learn skills and make myself more employable.

Due to tight budgets (the result of my not having permanent full-time employment), I'm rather hesitant to do anything that requires a recurring expense, like a subscription.

Hence, I'm focusing on stuff I can do locally.

I can spend a bit more on hosting, but that's about it.

Bob

you have two standing offers from people in this chat if you want a remote server to play with :P

bwDraco

I was thinking about using that to learn ZFS FWIW, but not sure if it's the best way to use it.

(because I can't arbitrarily add/remove disks to try out different things)

Bob

1:49 AM

*shrug* not everything needs to be optimised to infinity

use vbox then

or vmware

or qemu/kvm

bwDraco

Hence, doing it locally.

Bob

Senator Palpatine - Do it

►

bwDraco

As for Docker, I'm waiting on a book to arrive.

(though I've done a bit of playing around with the tools and reading other tutorials)

Journeyman Geek

kvm is fun. Slightly esoteric done right, but designed to be run on very little

bwDraco

2:09 AM

I still remember being curious about operating systems when I was in high school, when virtualization opened a world of operating systems and software to explore.

Linux distros, FreeBSD, Haiku, ReactOS...

Heck, even Plan 9.

Journeyman Geek

hah

Every so often I give haiku a try

allquixotic

3:15 AM

any Samsung Gear watch owners up in here?

Bob

@allquixotic @TMLCat might've had one?

TML Cat

@Bob Nah I had a Microsoft Band

Bob

oh yea

TML Cat

There#'

There's something in my butt and it hurts

And I feel like I should jump off a bridge

WHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I may have taken too many drugs

Michael Frank

3:34 AM

Did you take them in your butt?

2

Or are those sentences unrelated?

TML Cat

Unable to process. Deferring response.

Bob

4:09 AM

yay

I get to merge 8 databases

of differing schema

while moving files that the databases refer to

there's no way this could possibly go wrong!

user226528

I wish you luck. 😊

user226528

And I hope whomever you are doing this for, will appreciate your work.

Bob

@EUserNameError thankfully, this is a personal project, so if I mess up only I can be disappointed :P

allquixotic

@Bob well now I have a Gear S3 Frontier :P

couldn't wait until September for the Gear S4 or August for the Note 9 (which according to leakers will basically be a newer Snapdragon and that's it)

ditching iMessage sucks but oh well

bwDraco

I need to take up a personal project.

allquixotic

4:24 AM

@bwDraco We didn't know that at all

bwDraco

lol

Or is this getting annoying?

allquixotic

@bwDraco personally I don't get annoyed; we do enough repetition of stuff ourselves that it's hard to complain... but it is sort of sad to just passively observe this pattern you're in of "I need to X" then never do it...

Michael Frank

You want a personal project? Write me an iOS podcast app that will automatically download the oldest unplayed episode from a feed.

allquixotic

maybe because that was me a decade ago :P

Michael Frank

Let me select the number of unplayed episodes to keep at a time, and have it automatically delete the ones that are marked as played.

bwDraco

4:28 AM

I'd need a Mac and iOS devices to do this.

Michael Frank

4:49 AM

@Bob You looking forward to the Australia Box Office hit of the year? Occupation.

Bob

@MichaelFrank wat

Michael Frank

Basically Tomorrow When the War Began, but aliens.

Also, it has a Kiwi as the lead role.

Bob

@bwDraco help me merge my sqlite databases :D

@MichaelFrank green or gold? :P

Michael Frank

?

Oh

Black.

Or brown, I guess.

First Maori in space, first Maori to defend Australia from aliens... This guy is on a roll.

allquixotic

5:14 AM

ok, the thing that's pissing me off a lot about the Note 8 is notifications I can't dismiss

Imgur upload complete. OK, great. Now let me tell it to GTFO my notification bar

Bob

5:26 AM

@allquixotic ...slide it sideways?

I use opengur... never had trouble dismissing the upload completes

the only notifications you can't dismiss are "ongoing" ones, which mean the app is still running - usually used by video/music players. and you can still hide those if you want

Journeyman Geek

5:56 AM

@MichaelFrank two words.

SPACE. HAKA.

@bwDraco do it

Like seriously. DO IT

With less asterixen apparently

When I was younger I literally would grab whatever very old, obsolete hardware I could get my paws on to play with stuff.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek I already tried Shia LaBoeuf videos for him

Journeyman Geek

And my current infra literally started with a 15 dollar a year VPS, then a VM @allquixotic kindly ran for me, then a better VPS (4 dollars a month!) then cheaper dedis.

but before that? I literally tried out various things on old laptops.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek you can have a VM back if you want :P

my server is in a much better (more stable) place now

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I'l actually pretty well up on what I need

allquixotic

cool

Journeyman Geek

6:04 AM

I actually am debating dropping my old dedi at some point

I'm probably using it to test/document a new setup first tho

I offered it to the SD project (Ironically while I don't agree with certain choices they make and the attitude of some members - they do enough good that it felt like a good idea) but no response :(

allquixotic

SD?

Journeyman Geek

smoke detector

TML Cat

@MichaelFrank no. Those sentences are however not entirely unrelated

Journeyman Geek

7:18 AM

theverge.com/2018/5/13/17349910/…

._.

On one hand, its the most privacy friendly way to do it

On the other, one could literally ask an older friend to buy them one

DO THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE SAME REALITY WE DO?

user226528

@JourneymanGeek You are mistaking that certain pass with a "Get out of jail once free" card. These passes can have hashed data.

Journeyman Geek

you're literally buying off a news stand with verification.

Also

> The stores would sell a “porn pass,” a 16-digit code for around £10, and would require a driver’s license or passport to verify the buyer’s age. That method wouldn’t require someone to enter their personal information into an online database

user226528

Correct. Instead of some sleazy website knowing your details, a news stand owner sees them once and probably forgets them later.

Journeyman Geek

exactly

user226528

The troubling part, however, is that they bother doing it at a news stand. They could eliminate the middle man and have people visit some sort of British registry website and get a pass hash straight from there.

user226528

7:24 AM

Aren't they doing such a thing when they want to issue a driver's license?

user226528

Another option would be to ban p*** altogether.

user226528

Also, personal abstinence works fine in protecting the privacy.

Journeyman Geek

But privacy!

and rights!

And MORAL PANIC!

user226528

And you started writing unintelligible fragments again. So, for now, bye.

Michael Frank

Bye Faliesha!

Journeyman Geek

7:41 AM

I clearly need to do that more often

halirutan

@MichaelFrank Would you mind to behave like a decent human being?

2

user226528

I wonder what's the difference between the two variants of the "Ignore user" commands, but I used the variant one on both of them.

Michael Frank

Sounds like someone is a bit twitchy with the flag button.

halirutan

@MichaelFrank Seems so when random people show up :)

djsmiley2k

@halirutan wtf does the new name mean?

or is this not and you're just a new user, who our special pet has been talking about?

Hakase

7:53 AM

@allquixotic what has changed in that decade? what have you done?

halirutan

@djsmiley2k I'm clueless what you're talking about, but I got notified that some cannot follow the chat rules.

djsmiley2k

@bwDraco why have you gone from javascript, to node.js to writing iOS apps now?

don't you already have 1001 other things you already need to learn queued up?

Journeyman Geek

;p

djsmiley2k

Also, you're waiting on a book, to work on docker?

Journeyman Geek

DO THE THING!

Literally there's dozens of tutorials.

djsmiley2k

7:56 AM

you written the script to built an entire env yet?

no? get on with it.

Journeyman Geek

Throw together a darned VM. Google, play.

djsmiley2k

/me screams

I would give my left foot, to be able to have time to do things.

Michael Frank

Indeed.

Burgi

morning

user226528

Hi :)

Michael Frank

7:57 AM

I've had about 20 minutes on the laptop at home tonight... Almost finished my cup of tea, which means it'll be hang out with the wife time soon.

Hakase

@djsmiley2k you can like restructure your work day to get some free time out of it

unless you can't lol

Michael Frank

I have a decent bit of free time at work on occasion, doesn't mean I can use it to learn whatever I like though. :|

Burgi

who on earth has time to "restructure their work day"?

Hakase

these days I'm spending 20 minutes at home drinking tea and browsing these chat rooms and whatever facebooks you have, but I could be using them to work on personal projects in the morning and do the useless browsing at work during lunch breaks

@Burgi who said we're on earth?

Journeyman Geek

But time spent deciding is time spent not doing

Burgi

8:00 AM

your ping

Hakase

time not spent at all is… something!

@Burgi moon is not that far away honestly

Journeyman Geek

All time is spent. Saved time is an illusion

Hakase

reality is only what we can perceive and sometimes illusions are more real than truth~

Burgi

@Hakase no because it is different every time and a video of it would ruin the surprise

Hakase

anyway I've been trying to spend at least 20 minutes a day working on my personal projects and so far it's been working well enough

Journeyman Geek

8:03 AM

@bwDraco a few mental realignments. There is no competition. Most of us do these things for fun or cause it's the best way to get access to something we want.

Hakase

writing a daily log of activity also helps with motivation to keep going

Journeyman Geek

You don't need to run a server or learn docker to be one of the cool kids

Hakase

@Burgi how would it ruin the surprise if it's different every time?

Journeyman Geek

For some good odd value of cool.

Hakase

and I've not seen it once

the surprise is 100% still there for me, unruined

I've watched a certain pax panel throughout different years, about 5 times and it's the same every time, and still great every time

Journeyman Geek

8:05 AM

We do help each other out as we can or run similar things but that's just having similar needs

Hakase

if they do it again in future years, I'll watch it again

Burgi

@Hakase the surprise at being screamed at by a 6 foot 6 mad australian

Hakase

I've already got screamed at during the trailer for it on that site

but there was too much text and no full video link so I asked you instead of trying to figure all that out :p

user226528

@Burgi Question: Do you ever watch association football?

Journeyman Geek

@Hakase hah. I am a fan of just sitting down and doing the thing

Burgi

8:09 AM

@EUserNameError good god no

Hakase

@bwDraco I keep pestering my dudes to start personal projects and so far I think my efforts have brought some results. If you'd like, someone here might start pestering you. Just ask :)

@JourneymanGeek I admire people like you and I strive every day to be more like that.

@EUserNameError edited messages might not trigger bots

at least that's how it works in my room with my bot >.>

user226528

@Hakase They do. I have past experience.

Hakase

if they're programmed that way

user226528

Yeah. I believe CJC is programmed that way.

Hakase

I specifically didn't make it that way for some reason which I don't remember now, but it made sense at the time :p

(I have a different bot)

user226528

8:12 AM

"it"?

Michael Frank

!!taytayboom

user226528

What bot is that?

Michael Frank

Bot seems... asleep?

Hakase

a closed source abomination please don't go looking for it, it's not representative of my current programming skills >.>

user226528

Of course. Consider the matter dropped.

Michael Frank

8:13 AM

A personal project! Update the bot.

djsmiley2k

25

A: Is this definition of BIOS incorrect?

The code on the processor is known as the microcode. A form of firmware which resides on the processor and can be updated there from a running system The BIOS exists on the motherboard, interacts with all the hardware to boot the machine to a point at which a bootloader can take over. That sai...

Hakase

it's been working for 4 years and I've already updated it to the 4th major revision recently

djsmiley2k

definately the gift that keeps on giving

Hakase

no need to invest more time yet

djsmiley2k

@MichaelFrank gl hf.

Hakase

8:15 AM

I've got a couple other personal projects going on atm and I'm doing some notable progress on them these days

Michael Frank

@djsmiley2k Oh lord no, I have no interest in working on a bot.

djsmiley2k

=)

I wouldn't mind working on it, if i had time and knowledge

I can learn, but getting the time is slgihtly more difficult.

Hakase

you can always get time if you can afford to reduce your work day length

user226528

AFK

Hakase

I've seen people start working from home where managers can't look over their shoulders

djsmiley2k

8:17 AM

yeah, but half my work is physical recabling

Michael Frank

You need a pretty flexible employer to be able to do that.

djsmiley2k

and I won't shortchange work, for me to work on something entirely unrelated

I wouldn't mind if it's a project that assists work, but I can't say that about working on the bot hahah

Hakase

I guess the other option is to earn enough to afford to have an extra free day a week

djsmiley2k

yup

that'd be nice.

Hakase

like turn your 5 day week into a 4 (or 4.5) day week, move these hours around

djsmiley2k

8:18 AM

Thing is, I could prob do my work in 4 days.

but then they'd give me more work ;D

Hakase

maybe you should try that

Burgi

personal projects done at work are property of the company

Hakase

nah you negotiate the work hours, etc

@Burgi if they know about them

djsmiley2k

@Hakase you've never worked for evil overlords then

because the moment you mention 'I only need 4.5 days to get everything done'

they go 'here's 0.5days of work then'

there's no negotiation.

Hakase

yea, I like to avoid employees with horns and dark crimson scales for skin

djsmiley2k

8:19 AM

yup

but not always easy

where I am now is great tbh

So I don't abuse it (tho I easily could, and see people doing so constantly). :/

Hakase

for me it's been easy, you see them on the interview, pretend you're a courier and you came to the wrong address, turn around and prepare for the next interview :p

djsmiley2k

:D

Hakase

ye I know some work requires you to work during standard hours like everyone else coz otherwise you aren't able to get anything done without contacting the other people

djsmiley2k

Ah to live a life where I could afford to walk away from an interview.

@Hakase this place is partially like that

Hakase

currently I have too much downtime coz I manage to stay waiting almost half of my day on others to do their part of the ping-pong

djsmiley2k

8:22 AM

but I expect that'll be changing in the near term

udue to the fact we're getting more and more clients overseas

@Hakase pffft others.

now wtf was I about to check

Hakase

so I read educational literature and sometimes do something on my own projects while nobody's looking >.>

djsmiley2k

@Hakase oh yah sure

Hakase

@djsmiley2k what are you here just so you don't get fined? :p

djsmiley2k

I'm currently spinning up a vm to fire up nagios, to write a load of custom monitoring scripts

I do that too

Hakase

I thought all IT people can afford to choose employers

djsmiley2k

8:23 AM

Fined, or fired?

lol nope

Hakase

you can get fired for being in a chat, I've seen that happen :p

"he's spending all day in chat!"

on stackoverflow, duh

djsmiley2k

Oh sure

Michael Frank

Boss would not see it that way.

djsmiley2k

my current work place works on 'If your work is done, then carry on.'

Hakase

there were productivity reasons of course but yea that was the official reasoning

djsmiley2k

8:24 AM

No one questions me, because I work damn hard.

hell, sometimes people on here actually help me debug stuff.

Hakase

I basically got into the career thanks to SO

djsmiley2k

At my old, old old old job, I fixed everything so much, that I ran out of work to do, and would watch youtube and play dwarf fortress all day.

Hakase

there's no explaining it to some people tho

djsmiley2k

I also started learning python there,

Hakase

I've had a couple interviews with really old people and they didn't understand how I know the things I know without having read a single programming book and "but the internet doesn't have all that information!"

Burgi

8:26 AM

you sound like a total hippy

djsmiley2k

@Burgi who? :D

I read part of a databases book

Hakase

box lol

djsmiley2k

And I read CCNA 1 and 2 books.

Hakase

sounded like "I read the back of the spray can"

djsmiley2k

yeha, picked up MSSQL off the shelf, read the back of the box, now MSSQL Senior tech ;)

Michael Frank

8:27 AM

@Hakase I kind of imagine him reading the outside of the DB server hoping to understand what it's doing.

Hakase

haha

manuals are a good thing to read

I've been reading a bunch and I'm on my way to full stack dev

never wanted to have a career of that sort but hey it's not too hard and the conditions are better than most other jobs

anyway, best advice for making progress on personal projects: 20 minutes minimum every day, and lead a diary of progress

repo history is ok but sometimes commit comments don't allow for nice description formatting

and it's more difficult when you do non-code stuff

djsmiley2k

9:28 AM

yup

What's your day job @Hakase?

b_jonas

9:54 AM

Strange. I'm trying to change UI language of Firefox. I swear these instructions at support.mozilla.org/hu/questions/1018686 used to work, and it's matched by superuser.com/q/488141/267786 too. But now in the about:config list, neither "general.useragent.locale" nor "intl.locale.requested" keys exist.

Burgi

ugh.... minion hasn't shown up today

djsmiley2k

@Burgi didn't he quit?

i guess you were hoping he'd work his notice :/

Burgi

yeah

djsmiley2k

sucks.

user226528

Who's "minion"?

djsmiley2k

10:04 AM

@Burgi's minor.

user226528

@djsmiley2k Really? I didn't know Burgi is married. In fact, strongly thought the other way.

djsmiley2k

No

minor at work.

user226528

Ah.

user226528

Hence the nickname "minion".

djsmiley2k

> minion
ˈmɪnjən/Submit
noun
a follower or underling of a powerful person, especially a servile or unimportant one.

user226528

10:06 AM

Yeah, I am aware. I was hoping for an interpretation other than such a not-so-polite definition.

user226528

But then again, Burgi never sounded like a "powerful person" anyway. 😉

Burgi

i can crush my enemies like an empty crisp packet

Michael Frank

@Burgi Just sorta... crinkle them up real small?

user226528

Bravo! That was quite macho.

Burgi

yup :)

user226528

10:09 AM

Of course, my grandfather was an artillery officer, so he could only "blow them to kingdom come".

user226528

Not so macho at all. ;)

user226528

This expression has always bothered me. Isn't "kingdom come" heavens? So, it is only logical that if you want to blow someone somewhere, that place gotta be somewhere with fire and brimstone.