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1:08 AM
Can anyone here explain how feynman diagrams works comparing it to classical physics?

e.g. in classical physics, as two electrons approach, there would be a constant increasing electrical field acting on each other and creating repulsion. The particles would then follow some curvy trajectory and repel.

But in the diagrams(one of them as an instance) one of them would emit a single photon, which would be absorbed by the other, both traveling in straight lines, and thats it. Apparently it doesn't even make any difference the exact time when the photon was emitted or absorbed, and apart from
 
@galmeida A couple things to know: first of all, a single Feynman diagram on its own is never supposed to describe how things happen in real life. Instead, each diagram shows you (in some sense) one possible way in which a process could occur. A real physical process corresponds to a whole infinite sum of Feynman diagrams.
 
I knew that
(thanks anyway, continue please)
 
The second thing to know is that Feynman diagrams only encode interactions, not specific times and locations. So the diagram that has one photon being exchanged represents all possible points in spacetime at which the photon could be emitted, or abosrbed
 
ok
what about the fact that there is a single photon in a certain diagrams and that photon accounts for
the total electromaginatic interaction on that diagram/
 
1:26 AM
Yeah, but what's the problem with that?
 
In classical phisics
physics
On that situation, the only interaction the electrons experience is that photon. Bu in classical theory they experience continuous interacion
 
Well, remember that this is not classical physics, it's quantum physics
And anyway, the "rest" of the continuous interaction is provided by all the other Feynman diagrams that contribute to the overall process (i.e. two electrons repelling)
 
vzn
2:03 AM
@galmeida feynman diagrams are a notable 20th century attempt to describe wave/ fluid dynamics/ solitons via particles/ reductionistic physics :)
 
vzn
2:22 AM
wow maybe should google on that... then ran into eg this o_O
The Effective Field Theory Approach to Fluid Dynamics / Solomon George Shamsuddin Osman Endlich 253 pg... lots of feynman diagrams o_O
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A: Can Feynman diagrams be used to represent any perturbation theory?

Arnold NeumaierDiagram machinery works also for perturbation theory in classical statistical mechanics and classical field theories. Generally, various kinds of diagrams constitute a pictorial way of talking about tensor products and their contractions while hiding the multi-linear algebra from the layman. In t...

 
vzn
2:43 AM
o_O
> The soliton model applied to the electrons can be extended to the electromagnetic field providing an unambiguous description for the photon. In so doing a clear image of quantum mechanics emerges, including quantum optics, QED and field quantization. To our belief this description is of highly pedagogical value.
 
2:57 AM
@0celo7 This calc class makes me miss Chub 'n Tuck Analysis
 
why
 
3:22 AM
@vzn Notably successful, among other things.
It has its limitations, of course. (Trying to understand QCD with diagrams is...not fun, from what I understand.)
But there's a reason why physicists love perturbation theory, and it's because it many many many contexts it works just fine
 
vzn
3:37 AM
@Semiclassical right, (multiple?) nobel prize winning... but (increasingly) likely not the final word either...
 
For my part, the avenue I'm curious about is the math of resurgence theory
and the possibility that it'll let us get better insight into how strongly coupled systems like QCD work
But that's not "are there new theories out there" but "can we extract more from the theories we already have"
 
vzn
@Semiclassical sounds exotic/ cutting edge... just googled it... even alien ("calculus") lol arxiv.org/abs/1411.3585
 
it's a thing.
the tricky thing is that the main hopes for it seem to be in the realm of QFT
which is entirely beyond me
so my understanding of what goes on there is limited to the examples I can play around with myself
yeah. there's actually two guys talking about it this week, though that's more a coincidence than anything
the first is here for a nuclear physics candidate talk. the second is for the weekly high energy seminar
I know the first guy pretty well; he was a postdoc here for a while. second guy I've met but don't know much
should be interesting, I plan to try to pick their brains to the extent that I can
 
vzn
hope to hear more, will keep my eyes out. seems its always fascinating when new math meets new physics.
 
3:53 AM
yeah.
some of it is old math being reapplied, though. I mean, a big phrase in this business is Borel summation / Borel transforms / etc
and that was first introduced back in 1899
oh, neat. the guy who's coming this week published a primer on resurgent asymptotics last month
 
vzn
someone has to say it. resurgence going thru resurgence :P
 
dear god, the reference block on page 3
you gotta look at it
 
vzn
@Semiclassical lol you gotta look at the soliton/ fluid refs up there... maybe entirely new theories in 2013 Phd thesis o_O
 
you don't usually see that many in a row in one paper
this is a fun picture:
 
vzn
@Semiclassical looking are you talking about the long citation chains p3? maybe a symptom of no good surveys :P
 
4:06 AM
(which is really my oh-so-subtle way of trying to convince @EmilioPisanty to look at it cough)
@vzn yeah, I wonder
I know a few papers that have tried.
If I'm honest, I'm skeptical about how well this one succeeds at the task.
It seems to be getting deep into the weeds fast; great for experts who want to keep up on the latest developments, but not so much for people who just want a sense of the subject
Oh well.
 
vzn
@Semiclassical surveys are maybe ideally not as long as books :P
 
physics.stackexchange.com/questions/394229/… what can I do to reopen this Q?
 
vzn
@Semiclassical lol sounds like all physics research these days o_O
 
yeah...
 
Please anybody help me
 
vzn
4:13 AM
@Semiclassical youre working on a phd right? forget, what are you specializing in...?
 
basically, whatever my advisor throws my way :P
i've worked on a few things
I like to say that my thesis will be not so much a novel as an anthology of short stories
 
vzn
@Semiclassical lol hemingway would be proud. assuming you can pull that off :P
 
ugh, dont' I know it
 
@ami_ba This is not a homework help site. Questions here should generally be conceptual
 
vzn
@Semiclassical j/k know it aint easy, think you of all ppl can pull it off, wink :) (just plz seriously consider something related to fluid dynamics connections) :)
 
4:22 AM
sorry, not planning on it
though that's as much a statement about how my thesis really isn't going to contain any new material
 
vzn
@Semiclassical heh sounds like a near contradiction but presume you & your advisor know what youre doing...
 
not seeing how it's a contradiction. a thesis isn't a statement of new work; it's proof that you have done work that's at research level.
and that can certainly include things you've already had your name on as an author
 
vzn
uh, thought research level = new work... enjoy chatting gotta run... or rather "crash"... take it easy
 
it was new when I did it a few years ago :P
 
4:27 AM
@ami_ba help with what--the Stack question or the physics question?
 
vzn
@Semiclassical oh ok got it now :)
ps the 2 refs address/ already confirm this some, maybe substantially...
Mar 8 at 18:08, by Semiclassical
My standpoint is basically that hydrodynamics may be useful as a different way of understanding/gaining intuition about quantum mechanical systems.
@JohnDuffield ah look what turned up its your chance to promote your privotal "fluid" twist/ angle on Maxwell EM history in front of an even larger audience. dont worry reddit is at least as hospitable as SE :P reddit.com/r/Physics/comments/85w1bu/…
 
4:46 AM
@vzn on that note, I might point to the following (very extended) abstract by the one speaker I mentioned: conferences.phs.uoa.gr/andhps/Files/Abstracts/Bokulich.pdf
(a pity the paper itself seems to be paywalled)
 
@diobuceulb Why are you sad?
 
5:25 AM
Why Stephen Hawkings told that world is gonna end?
hmm
 
5:39 AM
@ACuriousMind I found the same "mistake" in a paper by Li--Wang. So either it's not an error or the 80s were a fucked up time to do PDE
 
Don't use this type of words for expressing your frustration
 
why
 
@0celo7 At this point, because @Akash.B asked
 
The people will try to avoid you, Ocelo 7
 
I want to be avoided by people who want to avoid me
 
5:46 AM
why
 
there's clearly something wrong with someone who wants to avoid me!
 
They can be friends and other important people in your life
 
uh, not if they want to avoid me
 
Just understand your mistake , Ocelo7
 
what mistake?
 
5:50 AM
If you stay on this, the whole world will avoid you
 
good!
 
To whom you will chat ,share your feelings?
 
my waifu I guess
Monika from DDLC
 
I you get avoided by them
What will you do?
 
this person can't avoid me
 
5:52 AM
Why so sure?
 
they can't run
 
I have experienced the feeling of getting avoided
 
I can see why
 
@0celo7 be nice
 
Oh please
 
5:53 AM
I am an under dog
people won't let me to win at anything
 
@ACuriousMind Well, this paper has division by zero for 10 pages straight
It's pretend math
 
How black holes are able to bent light?
 
@Akash.B same way you think people will avoid me
 
By saying what?
Why do they consider you as an underdog?
 
@0celo7 you and I are both old enough, and hardened enough, to not give a shit. But not everyone is as fortunate.
@Akash.B light always travels in straight lines - always!
When you see light apparently curving it's because your spacetime is curved
 
5:59 AM
refraction?
 
i.e. what you think is a straight line isn't really straight.
 
old enough!?
You’re 89 and I’m 20
 
@Akash.B in a vacuum i.e. in space
 
Pretty big difference
 
@0celo7 "old enough" = not a kid
 
6:01 AM
There are no kids on SE, legally.
 
I guess it depends on what you mean by kid. I'd say 13 year olds were kids, or at least most 13 year olds.
 
When I was 13 I was riding my bike off of roofs.
Good times. How am I alive?
 
When I was 13 I used to go rock climbing in a disused quarry with no safety rope :-)
 
6:30 AM
@0celo7 Heather, Balarka (?), etc.
< 18 := kid
 
Today, a stranger in a lift offered me his daughter. I don't know what he expected me to do with her.
 
@DawoodibnKareem You have strange adventures
 
It was a perfectly ordinary lift.
 
Also TIL "lift" is a British term for elevator
 
6:52 AM
light bends in refraction
 
@Akash.B OK I'll refine my statement to light always moves in straight lines in a vacuum
In fact this is pretty fundamental to general relativity. It's at the heart of a postulate called the equivalence principle.
 
Suppose I want research about space time ,what are the tags you would suggest me?
 
To learn about spacetime you really need to learn special relativity. Then general relativity, but GR is a lot harder so learn SR first.
 
What is spacetime really?
 
But I wouldn't recommend trying to learn SR from this site. If you're really interested get a book on special relativity.
 
6:58 AM
I have one
It is full of equations which aches my head
 
Spacetime is a mathematical construct. It's important to understand that in physcs theories are mathematical models that we use to predict the results of experiments.
If you're asking what is spacetime really then physics has no answer to that.
 
What is a wave equation?
 
We have equations that describe spacetime, but as for what is really going on we don't know.
@Akash.B do you mean the classical wave equation? Or do you mean Schrodinger's equation?
@Akash.B that's the problem with theoretical physics. It is fundamentally mathematical and there's no way round that. It does make it hard to learn until you've got good at maths.
 
Well I think according to the book, it is classical
 
The wave equation is an important second-order linear partial differential equation for the description of waves—as they occur in classical physics—such as sound waves, light waves and water waves. It arises in fields like acoustics, electromagnetics, and fluid dynamics. Historically, the problem of a vibrating string such as that of a musical instrument was studied by Jean le Rond d'Alembert, Leonhard Euler, Daniel Bernoulli, and Joseph-Louis Lagrange. In 1746, d’Alembert discovered the one-dimensional wave equation, and within ten years Euler discovered the three-dimensional wave equation. ...
This one?
 
7:02 AM
@SirCumference Sorry, all right, it was a perfectly ordinary elevator.
I thought everyone knew they were called lifts outside USA.
 
no I think It is Schrodinger's equation
Wait, what are these inverted triangles?
 
Nablas?
 
mentioned in these formulas
 
@Akash.B that is a mathematical symbol called nabla or del
 
Nablas what do you meant by that?
 
7:05 AM
The nabla is a triangular symbol like an inverted Greek delta: ∇ {\displaystyle \nabla } or ∇. The name comes, by reason of the symbol's shape, from the Hellenistic Greek word νάβλα for a Phoenician harp, and was suggested by the encyclopedist William Robertson Smith to Peter Guthrie Tait in correspondence. The nabla symbol is available in standard HTML as &nabla; and in LaTeX as \nabla. In Unicode, it is the character at code point U+2207, or 8711 in decimal notation. It is also called del. == History == The differential operator given in Carte...
 
What is the value of that?
 
The trouble is that you really need to understand calculus to know what it means.
 
What is calculus?
 
In the UK calculus isn't taught until the last two years of school - ages 17 and 18
@Akash.B have you Googled it?
 
Hey, there is no much time left for me
I had googled
The world is gonna end within 6years
 
7:08 AM
Very roughly speaking, Akash, calculus is the branch of mathematics that deals with measuring how quickly things change.
 
@Akash.B on what date?
 
It was predicted by Stephen Hawkings
 
Oh, I misread that. I thought you said "within 6 days".
 
@Akash.B citation?
 
@Akash.B His name was Hawking. Without the S.
 
7:11 AM
It was published in the newspaper when he was dead
 
Unless you mean someone entirely different.
 
oops sorry
So please ,teach me calculus
 
Calculus is usually taught throughout an entire year
 
That's OK. We have six years. Assuming we wish to spend the entire rest of the life of Planet Earth teaching calculus to Akash.
@Isomorphic Only a bronze one.
 
@DawoodibnKareem It's del :P
Only hipsters say nabla
 
7:19 AM
We are the hipsters who say nabla. Hmm, no doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
 
Calculus (from Latin calculus, literally 'small pebble', used for counting and calculations, as on an abacus) is the mathematical study of continuous change, in the same way that geometry is the study of shape and algebra is the study of generalizations of arithmetic operations. It has two major branches, differential calculus (concerning rates of change and slopes of curves), and integral calculus (concerning accumulation of quantities and the areas under and between curves). These two branches are related to each other by the fundamental theorem of calculus. Both branches make use of the ...
 
@SirCumference It annoys me to see "differential calculus" and "integral calculus" referred to as different branches of calculus, when really they're two sides of the same coin. You can't really have one without the other.
 
@DawoodibnKareem Yup. Tbh the only main divisions of calculus I can think of are single-variable calculus (simple) and multivariable calculus (when things get real)
 
That makes sense. Although I might consider admitting "solving differential equations" to the status of a branch of calculus.
 
That too. In the end though, it's all just analysis
Which itself is divided into complex and real analysis...
These divisions seem kind of arbitrary
 
7:28 AM
Yes, all right. Complex analysis can be considered a branch of calculus too.
 
Hey @Blue
 
8:30 AM
@Semiclassical that's horrifying
 
8:54 AM
@Akash.B : that's correct. It's why Einstein said a curvature of rays of light can only occur when the speed of light is spatially variable. See the Einstein digital papers. Einstein also spoke of “the refraction of light rays by the gravitational field”.
 
9:10 AM
100% sure I can solve the integral by myself now
Made significant progress in the last hour
yup! Full blown boss mode enabled . I eat integrals now!!
 
9:59 AM
If I have a thin conducting ring of mass M and resistance R in a time-varying magnetic field, the ring will both rotate and have a current induced in it. I can find the angular speed and stuff by writing the torque equations, but what about the current? Will it still be dΦ/(Rdt) or will it change because of the rotation of the ring?
It also has a charge q uniformly distributed on it
 
10:14 AM
Oh..I guess it won't rotate if it was conducting, only the charges would move in that case, but not the ring
 
@Akash.B : see Deflection and Delay of Light by Professor Ned Wright of UCLA.
 
Professor Hawking's funeral has been scheduled for March 31 at 2:00 pm (1300 GMT), could you please schedule a special event in this room at that time? @ACuriousMind
 
Hi, everyone!
I'd like to know what this equation means Ncos = mg
Or what's difference between N = cosmg and Ncos = mg
Why do we use that equation? Thank you.
 
10:53 AM
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Q: Professor Hawking Memorial

disposed to learnThe funeral service for Professor Hawking has been scheduled to take place at 2:00 pm (1300 GMT). Should we schedule a special event in the regular chat room or create a new room?

 
11:08 AM
Personally, I respect Hawking a lot, and his book pretty much brought me into majoring in physics back in the good old days. But I think he is overrated. He claimed many things without solid evidence to back up. And I recall he never won a scientific bet.
2
 
11:18 AM
18 hours ago, by Secret
> 4.) Be humble about your own speculative, unproven ideas. This is a pitfall that has afflicted many of the greatest minds throughout scientific history: to fall in love with their own fringe scientific ideas so thoroughly that you tout them with the certainty normally reserved for verified, validated, robust theories. Hawking's no-boundary proposal is speculative and unproven, yet Hawking will often (including in A Brief History Of Time) speak about it with the same certainty he'd speak about black holes. Ideas like baby Universes, a unifying theory of everything, and higher dimensions ma
Taken from Forbes.
 
Anonymous
@SirCumference Hiyo
 
Anonymous
@disposedtolearn Okay. But what would we do during that period ? Do you have a plan in mind ?
 
I dunno, perhaps share fond memories of him...?
...or the impact he has had on physics and disabled people.
 
Anonymous
We already had a session like that, yesterday
 
I disagree with Shing's assessment of Hawking, but at the same time I am not part of his family nor a personal friend. I once saw him at a distance in Cambridge and that's it. I can't see why I should have any interest in his funeral - I think we should leave that to his family and friends. Hawking's legacy is best celebrated by learning the physics he loved, which I do anyway.
 
Anonymous
11:32 AM
During the official chat timings
 
Anonymous
Maybe too much of it isn't good. In fact I particularly dislike funeral ceremonies, but that's another story.
 
11:57 AM
@EmilioPisanty lol, yeah
As a primer on resurgence...yeah
Way too obscure
For that reason alone I’m a tad disappointed
(That picture is neat tho)
 
12:18 PM
It’s snowing. What is with this weather
 
@Semiclassical that's true
 
Akash's message is strange. I don't know what to expect from them
 
“Stephen Hawking predicted the end of the world in six years.”
 
Well honestly, when I am frustrated. I do want the world to end in 2020
2020 is such an attractive year for reasons...
 
You might regret it afterwards, @Secret
 
12:32 PM
Yeah probably
 
Hindsight is 20/20
 
Well
Hard to regret it if you’re no longer arounf
 
Don't ruin my puns Semi :(
 
Lolol
Well, personal wise, 2020 is a very important year to me for it will be my chance to resolve a decade old feud with one of my high school classmates
 
12:36 PM
Sup
What is the feud @Secret?
 
@Semiclassical Have I told you about the error I found in a Yau paper
well, maybe not an error given recent revelations
I've found the same thing done in another place by different people
so there is hope
 
You’ve found an anomaly, at any rate
 
@Semiclassical mhm. But a book of Wu also has the same thing, but this time with an epsilon in a new place. This might fix it, physicist style.
Not smooth? Put an epsilon to make it smooth.
 
@Kenshin unexplained and abrupt evasive ghosting shit from an otherwise very good friendship
I was so shocked by that sudden turn of events that I literally made a wish to curse the whole world to unravel, which is really a megarant anyway because our world is not supernatural :P
Tbh, the whole world really started to unravel since the 9/11 attacks
but we have many local pockets of stability to counter that
 
How did the world unravel ?
 
12:48 PM
I have no idea, I am just a human being, I have no control of the society
society decides what it is going to do really
 
i mean, hasn't society become better over time?
 
::tips fedora:: no
 
we all use the internet now which has increased efficiency greatly, particulary for learning and sharing
 
It does locally, but politics are getting more polarised due to the echochambers of the social media
so basically, we have some global social force that threatens to collapse civillisation, and multiple local social forces that improve overall living standards via technological innovation
 
but social media isn't a voting platform
we still have a democracy
I think democracy is quite a stable system on the whole
Politics has always been polarised, that's why we vote at the election
 
12:50 PM
the world also seemed to emphasize more on interdiscipline collaborations

Well, social media does known to influence the 2016 US election a bit, but it seems democracy and free speech is pretty safe
 
Social media allows us to express such polarisation
Do you thnk people are too influenced by what they read on social media?
 
@Secret I feel like if you're going to make that claim you need to explain why politics was also getting more polarized before the rise of social media. Consider, for instance, the steady decline of a "middle" from 1940 to present in the US Congress: xkcd.com/1127
 
I think social media shows the voices of the loudest, but not necessarily the voting majority
the loudest are usually those who are unemployed
 
not those who are employed to be loud?
 
yeah good point them 2
 
12:55 PM
ok, I guess I don't know much about US politics, being a foreigner, so the center is already declining that early already?
 
@0celo7 hah, yeah. like how in fluid mech you have boundary layer
 
aren't both sides of US politics quite centered anyway?
both sides seem relatively right wing compared to other countries
 

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