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2:10 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos hey mathein :D
how are you? :D
 
> In difficult situations we often assume that someone else will do something. But if we all assume someone else will step in then nothing happens. We can all try and act on our values in a way that is safe and appropriate – not leave it to someone else.
This kinda reminds of the following:
 
Hey, doing fine, thanks. How are you? @KasmirKhaan
 
not bad not bad :D
still fighting with algebra haha =p
i got a small Q btw ._.
if we have a function from a set S to the field K
f :S--> K , why is this called a K-valued function?
 
$\exists a \text{step in} (a)$
$\forall a \text{step in}(a)$
$\implies \not \exists a\text{step in}(a)$
Or more accurately:
 
@KasmirKhaan the values are in K. Is that enough?
 
2:13 PM
$\exists a \text{step in}(a) \implies \neg \text{step in }(me)$
 
$\forall a \text{step in}(a)$
Thus:
 
so if we assume f and g are functions from S---> K
we know that they sum and any scalar multiple ( c in K) are also function
so this make up a V.s
 
$\forall a (\exists b \text{step in}(b) \implies \neg \text{step in }(me)) \implies \not \exists a \text{step in}(a)$
 
2:15 PM
but the termninalogy here is just wierd ><
 
so, being a passive bystander has the same structure as mathematical induction
 
unless am missing something ._.
 
@KasmirKhaan what's weird about the terminology?
 
if we have something like K = R
so f (s) = r
s in S and r in R
so we just call this an R valued function ?
because the image is real ?
 
2:18 PM
well that was something ><
thanks mathein :D
 
how are your exams btw ?
I hope you A them all :D
 
I'm having semester break right now
 
aha neat
we get only chrismas break
and summer ofc
 
I've got only As, yeah, but I'm going to retake the complex analysis exam
because I could've only gotten a B+, that's not enough for me
so I failed it (intentionally) so that I can retake it
 
2:20 PM
nice :D I know you can do it :D
 
hello guys.
 
Hi bird ._.
 
Hey people is this integral really equals zero? or, wolfram alpha just rounded it up
 
2:39 PM
It can't be 0
It's stricly positive
 
guys, is it true that we can always make an open covering of a set into a proper open covering?
 
what's a proper open covering again ?
 
That the open covering equals the set it covers
maybe proper isn't the right word, I translated it from Dutch
 
You mean $\bigcup U_i = X$ ?
 
yes
 
2:47 PM
Probably not
 
damn, I did need that
 
Take $[0,1]$ in $\Bbb R$ with the usual topology
 
right, I see it, I think
 
In fact the union of open sets is always open no ?
 
yes that is correct
 
2:48 PM
So take any closed set
in any topology
What ar eyou trying to prove ?
 
well this was my initial problem:
My book says that a map between Stone spaces $X$ and $Y$ is continuous if for each $U\in\operatorname{Clop}(Y)$ we have $f^{-1}(U)\in\operatorname{Clop}(X)$. I know that a Stone space can contain open sets that are not closed, so apparently we don't need to explicitly check that $f^{-1}(U)$ is open for open $U$, as long as we checken the clopen condition.
a Stone space is a compact, totally disconnected space. it's equivalent to saying that it is compact, Hausdorff and has a basis of clopens
I wanted to show that if clopen->clopen, then we have a continuous map
 
basis means ?
 
basis for a topology
 
Ok
 
in any case, I need to show that if $U$ is open, then $f^{-1}(U)$ is open
assuming $U$ is not closed
 
2:52 PM
Isn't that just the definition of continuity ?
 
exactly
I want to show that it is continuous
if clopen->clopen
I was thinking of working with $U^c$, because then we can use the compactness of $U^c$
 
But a map is continuous if the reciprocal of open sets are open right ?
 
but there I'm not sure what I can do with a covering
@Astyx yes
so we assume that for $U$ clopen, we have $f^{-1}(U)$ clopen
now I need to show that $f$ is indeed continuous
which is what my book claims
 
If you have the same topology, continuous functions are the same
 
but we don't know yet if it's continuous
 
2:55 PM
So in the topology defined by the clopen basis, you indeed have that reciprocals of open sets are open
 
that's what I'm trying to prove tho.. maybe it's trivial
 
Take $f$ such a function in $(X, \tau)$
Wait I might be confusing some things
The topology has to be stable under complementation, union and needs to contain the set itself right ?
 
yes, and it has to be stable under finite intersections
and it has to contain the empty set
 
But the preimage of an intersection is the intersection of the preimages
Same for union and complementation
 
yes
 
3:01 PM
So since every open set of the image can be obtained as intersection/union/complementation of clopen sets of the image
The preimage of that open set can be obtained as intersection/union/complementation of the preimages of these clopen sets, which are clopen, thus open
 
omg
that is it
!!!
I think
o em geee
omg, you're still a genius:p many thanks
 
More generally if the preimage of a basis are open, the funciton is continuous
(which explains why we'd call it a basis)
 
yea right, true!
 
3:21 PM
how do we induce a quotient map when given a vector subspace contained in the kernel of the original map?
nvm, i got it
 
3:54 PM
the space of covariant $k$-tensors on $V$ is denoted $T^k(V)$ right? not $T^k(V^*)$
 
Gus
Is there a name for the cartesian product of two simplices? For example, the space of (row-)stochastic matrices is a cartesian product of simplices. For a 2x2 matrix, that space looks like a square to me. Not sure about 3x3, though.
 
4:44 PM
Please someone look at this.
Or, please provide a counterexample to this statement:
Let $E$ be a dense subset of a metric space $X$, and let $f$ be a uniformly continuity function from $E$ to a (not necessarily complete) metric space $Y$. Then $f$ has a continuous extension from $E$ to $X$.
 
@Silent Doesn't the example of the function which is defined on $[-1,1]\setminus \{0\}$ by $1$ for positives and $-1$ for negatives an example?
 
@TobiasKildetoft Is this function uniformly continuous? I don't think so, because, if your function is from $[-1,1]-\{0\}\to \Bbb R$ then it violates the assertion that 'uniform continuous function from dense domain (dense in $X$) can be extended to $X$ continuously, where codomain is complete metric space'.
I can give a formal statement if you wish.@TobiasKildetoft
 
Ahh, uniformly, right
 
5:04 PM
@TobiasKildetoft, so any thoughts for counterexample?
 
5:19 PM
I have following thoughts on this suggested counterexample (its in my book, as well as mentioned by you a few days ago): Take $X$ to be real numbers, $Y$ and $E$ be the rational numbers and let $f:E\to Y$ be given by $f(x)=x$. There is no possible extension of $f$ to a mapping from $X$ into $Y$.
Suppose there is an extension of $f$, say $g$ to a mapping from $X$ into $Y$ which is continuous, then let $p_n$ be sequence of rational numbers that converges to $\sqrt 2$. Then since $g$ continuous, $g(p_n)\to g(p)$ but since $g(p_n)=p_n$, this means that $g(p_n)\to\sqrt 2$, but $\sqrt 2$ not in co-domain.
Will you please check this? @TobiasKildetoft
 
5:53 PM
I'm finding difficulties understanding this result
i didn't generate 469200 combinations here.
of maybe my understanding of problem statement is awkward.
 
6:13 PM
@Secret Consider not spamming the room with formulae that take a lot of space; cf. the "don't hog" part of the chat guidelines.
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noted
 
Hello, are the variables a from the second image and x from the definitions listed at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_function the same variable? In other words, for sinh x = (e^x - e^-x)/2 and cosh x = (e^x + e^-x)/2 is the area of the red region in the image x/2?
 
6:38 PM
@ACuriousMind thank you for moving his ( secret's) messages to another dimension :D he was making the chat experience hell for us for a long time :/
 
anyone familiar with post's completeness theorem in boolean algebra by chance?
 
@KasmirKhaan I came by because of a flag; ordinarily this should be the job of room owners. Consider adding more if you feel this room is undermoderated.
 
6:53 PM
for my part I don't actually mind the messages. I find them irrelevant to my own interests, usually, but not offensive. (by contrast, I find the random questions/appeals for help to be a bit exhausting at times)
That said, if you want to have a place to ramble it's just as easy to make a room of your own
(I did that recently for some saddle-point stuff I wanted to get out of my head)
 
7:41 PM
Hey everyone
There was this problem on my algebra test today. "Let $n \in \mathbb{N}$ and let $(G, \cdot)$ be a cyclic group such that $|G| = n$. Let $(H, \star)$ be a group and for each $y \in H$ we have that $gcd(n, o(y)) = 1$. Show that there exists exactly one group homomorphism from $G$ to $H$."
I think $H$ was finite in the statement of the problem
 
@Perturbative You don't need $H$ to be finite for that
You just need to decide what it means for a number to be coprime to infinity in case $H$ has elements of infinite order
 
@Tobias How could you go about solving it? All I can say at the moment is that since $(G, \cdot)$ is cyclic, we'll have $G = \langle a \rangle$ for some $a \in G$, and $o(a) = n$.
I'm thinking I'm gonna have to construct a homomorphism from $G$ to $H$, then suppose another homomorphism exists and arrive at a contradiction somehow
 
@Perturbative Let $x$ be a generator for $G$. What can the order of the image of $x$ be?
Well, first you need to note what that one homomorphism will be
 
Ahh $f[G = \langle x \rangle] = \langle f(x) \rangle$. Since $o(x) = n$, $o(f(x)) | o(x)$
Ignore the above message
Suppose $f$ is a homomorphism from $G$ to $H$. Since $G = \langle x \rangle$ we have $f[G] = f[\langle x \rangle] = \langle f(x) \rangle$. Now since $o(x) = n$ is finite, and $f$ is a homomorphism, $o(f(x))$ divides $o(x)$.
That is $o(f(x))$ divides $n$
 
8:03 PM
Can anyone help me w/ my combinatorics problem?
 
But the greatest common divisor of $n$ and $o(f(x))$ must be $1$ by our hypothesis
 
Suppose $x$ is a binary string of length $n - k$, where $n, k$ are integers and $n > k$. An 'extension' of $x$ is a string of length $n$ which is formed from $x$ by inserting exactly $$k$$ total new 0s and 1s at any position in the string $x$. How many distinct such 'extensions' are there from $x$? Does it depend on more than the length of the string $x$ (i.e., the value of $k$)?
Based on numerical evidence the answer is 'it does not depend on the actual string x'.And the number of distinct extensions is $\sum_0^k \binom{n}{k}$
 
Hence $o(f(x))$ must necessarily be $1$, and that can only occur if $f(x) = e_H$
 
no one knows Post Theorem by chance?
 
8:18 PM
So pick any $g \in G$, then note that $g = x^m$ for some $m \in \{0, 1, ..., n\}$, then observe that $o(f(g)) = o(f(x^m)) = o(f(x)^m) = o((e_H)^m) = o(e_H) = 1$. This again only occurs if and only if $f(g) = e_H$, hence $f(g) = e_H$ for every $g \in G$. Hence $f : G \to H$ is defined by $f(g) = e_H$ for every $g \in G$.
Since we've picked an arbitrary homomorphism from $G$ to $H$ and shown that it equals a specific homomorphism, there can only be one such homomorphism and we're done
@TobiasKildetoft Does that look correct?
Thanks also for the hint!
 
@Perturbative It looks correct, but somewhat longer than necessary
 
8:33 PM
I needed help in finding one of the components of a vector...Struggling with it since half an hour. Anyone there?
never mind.
 
anyone can help on my combinators thing?
*combinatorics
 
@TobiasKildetoft @Perturbative hi yall
 
I think i have another solution to that question
let f be a hom , |G| = |ker f| | imf |
since the image of a cyclic subgroup is also cyclic
and that order of im f divides n , also im f is a subgroup of H
we can say that y in H , generates im f
but from the question we have that gcd(y,n) =1
this forces imf to be 1
ie we only have the trivial hom
@TobiasKildetoft was that good ? =p
@anon Anon ! wake up :D
 
@KasmirKhaan that works too, yes
 
8:45 PM
yeeey :D
 
9:35 PM
For a, b, c ∈ Z, prove a | b if and only if ca | cb. My attempt: suppose ca = cb. Since c | a and c | b then a | b by the theorem of the GCD--Divisibility equivalence.
 
@DarkVampiricAbstractArtist a | b means that b = a n for some n
now multiply both sides by c we get , cb = ca n , so ca divides cb .
I did this directtion ==> , now you do this <== , assume that ca divides cb , and show that a divides b
 
c(b-an)=0 <=> b=an <=> a|b
Is that right?
 
Isa
10:17 PM
How to solve $\int\frac{du}{y},$ where u depends on y and x variables ?
 
Is it just the integral of du over y (no x)?
 
Isa
Yes, that's right
 
Alright, $\int\frac{du}{y}$ then \frac{1}{y}\int du, and integrating du, we have \frac{1}{y} * u + c.
 
Isa
ok, so it doesn't matter that u depends on y? y will be taken as constant
 
10:50 PM
If $u$ is allowed to depend on $y$, then you could in particular have $u=y$.
in which case it'd be $\int \frac{dy}{y}=\ln y+C$
But if $u$ is independent of $y$, then it's $\frac{1}{y}u+C$
which is to say, you can't say a thing about $\int \frac{du}{y}$ without knowing more about $u$.
 
What is the smallest positive integer n for which 147x+105y = n = 606u+909v for some x, y, u, v ∈ Z? For this n, give values of x, y, u, v that satisfy the requirements. My attempt: I think n is 3, since 3 is common between all of them and divides them all. Then it requires some messy Euclid's algorithm
 
Probably you want to think in terms of Bezout's identity
 
11:18 PM
I don't know about the Bezout's identity, I haven't been taught about that.
I'll try to read up about it and report back.
@semiclassical Is it possible to find the greatest common divisor of four numbers?
 
11:39 PM
@DarkVampiricAbstractArtist: Probably easiest to do it a few at a time. Find the gcd of the first two, find the gcd of the last two, then the gcd of the two gcds.
Bezout's Identity is what I call the Euclidean algorithm, by the way.
 
alright i found the gcd of both of them.
gcd(105,147)=21 and gcd(606,909)=303.
gcd(21,303)=3?
 
Looks right, @DarkVampiricAbstractArtist.
Heya, demonic @Alessandro ;)
 
Sure thing.
 
11:53 PM
@DarkVampiricAbstractArtist fyi, while 3 is the gcd of the four numbers, that's not necessarily the final answer.
the point re: Bezout's identity is that there's a very important fact about any number like $147x+105y$.
 
I still have to find x,y, u, and v by Euclid's extended algorithM?
or I have to back-substitute i think.
 
there's a bigger issue than that, which is evident if you know what's true for anything like 147x+105y
 
Oh, I guess I don't know what the original query was.
 
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