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3:00 PM
@Rubiksmoose The eldritch evil Al'Q-appone
 
A friend of mine made a super casual system. Slapdash. But I don't think he's put it out on anything yet. It's a lot of fun. lemme check for it.
 
@nitsua60 oh wow! that would be wouldn't it?
@SPavel XD
 
I just went through my files for old RPGs I've been working on.
At one point, I was making a fantasy hack of Apocalypse World, because DW was (and in a way still is) too DnD for me.
 
I can't find any internet link to it, but I reached out to him to see if one exists.
 
I honestly have the highest respect for people that even start working on an rpg system/hack.
 
3:07 PM
@kviiri In its defense, isn't that exactly what it's trying to be?
 
I've considered it here and there, but I don't feel like I can bring anything to the table. (no pun intended)
 
@nitsua60 Sure, but that doesn't really change the fact it's too DnD for me.
 
@kviiri have you played MonsterHearts?
 
Nowadays I'm casually working on two tactical combat systems, with the first being a wuxia-style system designed for low-bookkeeping battles between PCs and swarms of enemies, and the other being about blasting aliens with laser rifles. The latter is intended for introductory RPG oneshots mainly.
@goodguy5 Nope, but I know of the system. It's not exactly the thing I seek/sought though, I basically wanted a system for a similar high-fantasy feel that the DnD world has without the mechanical trappings of being a DnD derivative.
 
@kviiri Ah, I see. I've always wanted to see a fate game run that way. look into Grim World(s?), if you haven't
 
3:11 PM
@goodguy5 Haven't heard of that. I'll take a look :)
 
@kviiri how can you have a dungeon without trappings? :P
 
hyuk hyuk
 
@Rubiksmoose You put a rogue with disarmings first.
 
@kviiri
there we go
sorry for all the edit-pings
 
Neat, so it's like a hack of a hack :)
No prob sir!
 
3:15 PM
more like a "hack n slash" of a hack, but yea
gritty overlay for fate core (or dungeon world, if you like)
 
We have a Fate Accelerated game indefinitely planned. Not sure what it's going to be about, except probably cyberpunk.
I was thinking of doing the world building together with my players.
I'm going to inject a cult/gang of homicidal clowns in though. I can't get enough of those.
Homicidal clowns with katanas and SMGs.
 
@kviiri Weebs?
 
@kviiri so.... shadowrun? lol
 
@goodguy5 I haven't ever played Shadowrun but I somehow had the impression it wouid have something similar :P
 
Oh, and as for another rules heavy system that isn't very D&Dy, all the 40k games (rogue trader)
 
3:20 PM
But Shadowrun guys do it for profit, these'd be just axe-crazy.
 
Hello peoples.
 
Hi!
 
Right now I'm working on a cryptography puzzle for campaign.
 
@PhiNotPi Don't be disappointed if the PCs skip it
 
@PhiNotPi sounds fun
 
3:29 PM
@SPavel They won't. They've already cracked one. Several people in my campaign are math / computer science double majors who are really into crypto.
 
@PhiNotPi >crypto
Bitcoin RPG? :P
 
@PhiNotPi That sounds like fun.
 
For more context: party has killed a bad guy, and looted the body, and found "encrypted messages", and I basically said "I'll get back to you later on that."
So I'm expecting someone to solve these out-of-session over the course of the next 2 weeks or so.
 
Plot twist: It was a password to his Dogecoin wallet
 
Internet/computer use is allowed because it just makes life easier and they'll do it anyways.
My first puzzle was a Vigenere cipher which lasted ~10 minutes.
Second one needs to be legitimately difficult.
 
3:37 PM
a modular cypher.
a is 1, increases by 1 (to b)
b is 2, increases by 2 (to d)
z is 26, increases by 26. (I think to z again?)
 
I encode all my communications in the fiendishly undetectable rot26 cypher
 
3:53 PM
Note to self. Blockchain Goblins.
 
@Maximillian Would you accept a dwarf instead?
 
Possibly.
 
@Maximillian look in the bag :P. That's not just your average dwarf.
 
@Maximillian blockchain gangs.
 
4:04 PM
Kviiri eats his old army rations campaign continues with the FINAL BOSS: Canned pea soup protein-enriched with TVP.
...okay, it's a tame final boss. Canned pea soup is ok and people eat it when not in the army too.
This one's no different.
Maybe the absolutely abhorrent wannabe bolognaise with tuna was the true final boss and this is just a cutscene boss.
 
I'm going to need a slightly sillier dwarf. Where's the clan mining Dogecoin?
 
I wonder where the DnD trope that dwarves make good clerics comes from
I'm not very good at Tolkien outside LotR (and only passable at LotR lore too) but based on the small (snrk) sample of dwarves we see in LotR, they seem neither particularly wise or religious.
 
@kviiri Probably from DnD.
I mean, Dwarves have Wisdom bonuses (I think?), which is good for clerics.
So people roll Dwarf Cleric for that tasty +2 to Wisdom.
 
When a dwarf mines a bitcoin, he is building on the legacy of all other dwarves. (Which is technically how a blockchain works...)
 
@Yuuki Yeah but I'd have assumed that the wisdom bonus came from a desire to see a dwarf cleric, not the other way round...
 
4:17 PM
@kviiri Hmm... I think it might've been a combination of "we need a race with a wisdom bonus" and dwarves in folklore being commonly depicted as old.
 
I think, working with the big 6 stats, I'd have given elves the wisdom bonus and dwarves the intelligence one.
Dwarves have that kind of smarts that allows them to carve efficient dominions under the rock. Elves have that kind of smarts that allows them to avoid the follies men and dwarves wind up partaking in.
 
@kviiri For the elves, is it smarts or author favoritism?
🤔
 
@Maximillian That's a great title for my cryptopunk novel
 
@Yuuki Well good point, the shortness in wisdom might make sense from the "elves are too proud of their own elvyness to see the world for what it is" thing.
 
I do find it interesting that fantasy socioeconomics inevitably turn out to be elves = upper class, humans = middle class, dwarves/gnomes/orcs/etc. = lower class.
 
4:28 PM
@Yuuki Dwarves are the classic upper class! They have piles of gold and bling and palaces.
If anything, elves are more like the intelligentsia
Posh and haughty and smoking weed in the forest rather than engaging in economic relations
 
Dwarves are often compared to the Jews of the ghettos of yore, and there are plenty of similarities.
Some of them seem unfairly stereotyping, even.
Tolkien himself always denied that his dwarves were an allegory for Jews, though. But he denied everything that was ever suggested of his work, too.
 
@kviiri och, tha joos an' their Sco'ish accent
 
C.S. Lewis always denied that his Narnia series was a religious allegory even though it was pretty blatant.
 
@Yuuki Wait seriously?
Aslan straight up did a Jesus thing
Like, literally it was 100% exactly the same, except that you can't really crucify a lion
 
> Lewis, an expert on the subject of allegory and the author of The Allegory of Love, maintained that the books were not allegory, and preferred to call the Christian aspects of them "suppositional".
So I guess his position was that it wasn't technically allegory.
 
4:32 PM
@SPavel Is that a challenge?!
 
> If Aslan represented the immaterial Deity in the same way in which Giant Despair [a character in The Pilgrim's Progress] represents despair, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality, however, he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, 'What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia, and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?' This is not allegory at all.
 
ugh, that's such an annoying attitude
"I'm an expert on allegory, I wrote the book on allegory, and this, buddy, is no allegory"
Same as the nerds that insist certain things are not ironic
Popular use of a term evolves, deal with it
 
It's a good thing C.S. Lewis is dead and we can interpret their works with impunity! mwhaahahah
 
"Narnia isn't an allegory because Aslan literally is a hypothetical Christ instead of figuratively being a hypothetical Christ."
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🤔
 
@kviiri No, see, CS Lewis is physically dead, and death of the author is only metaphorical
So it doesn't count
 
4:34 PM
@Yuuki I guess the same is true with Eru and the God-with-a-capital-G in Tolkien's works
 
@SPavel Swords are pretty ironic.
 
My shirt hasn't got any wrinkles, it's so ironic.
 
Apple released a new line of products in partnership with Rupert Grint; it's so iRon-ic
 
I thought Iluvatar was female when I first heard of him.
 
@kviiri I thought Iluvatar was an evolution of Larvitar
 
4:37 PM
@SPavel To be fair, rain, whether it occurs on your wedding day or not, typically doesn't have more than trace amounts of iron.
 
The name is lifted from Finnish folklore goddess "Ilmatar" which roughly translates to "lady of the air".
 
@Yuuki An iron sunrise on your wedding day would ruin the mood for sure
 
Lets read the things that Philip Pullman has to say about CS Lewis' works XD
 
@SPavel I’m all for descriptivism, but the concept of popular acceptance doesn’t mean that everyone has to abide by every definition but rather that there’s some critical mass or consensus of opinion.
 
I think it'd be different if Aslan was an allegory for Voltron.
 
4:41 PM
What if I choose to define “orange” as “blue”? You should rightfully be able to call me an idiot for trying to confuse people.
 
@Yuuki or colorblind
 
Hmm, is there a blue-orange colorblindness?
I know about red-green and also that dog vision has something to do with blues and yellows.
 
@Maximillian My mind has gone to strange places and now I'm thinking of Twilight but in Narnia
Like, Bella is one of the kids, Aslan is Edward
And they squander the entire worldbuilding aspect and whinge about feels
 
Sparkle Lion
 
4:59 PM
What's DTD?
 
@kviiri A crossover between D&D and Boyz2Men, Dungeons2Dragonz
 
I VtC'd as unclear since no one else seems to know either.
 
@kviiri added a comment and a vote. It's about the 120 days.
 
@kviiri I believe I know, but I want OP to clarify.
 
Oh, it's some AL thing
 
5:08 PM
@nitsua60 I am going to quietly snip "that AL requires the recipient of clone to pay per p.7 of the ALFAQv7.1" down to "that AL requires" in your comment until we get confirmation. :P
 
@nitsua60 Agreed, I got the 120 days,but didn't realize there was an AL downtime payment cost.
 
Then you/whoever can post that as an answer.
 
@doppelgreener Sure--I wasn't trying to answer, I was trying to see whether I was even looking in the same place OP is talking about. (They mention "FAQ.")
 
What's the other D?
DownTimeDays?
 
5:11 PM
ah
 
@Yuuki seems reasonable. Narnia isn't a Christian allegory, it's a Christian fanfic.
 
regarding that armored monk subclass, I can'decide if the thing I want to say is a comment or a beginning of an answer....
and I don't feel like getting fussed at for "no answers in the comments"
"My main question when I see new classes/features: Why are you doing this? What aspect of the current options doesn't fit your needs mechanically or thematically?"
 
@goodguy5 that would not be answering for sure. You are asking clarifying questions. I'm not certain the answers to it will help write an answer, but it is definitely not a comment answer (IMHO)
 
good
imo, the subclass is bad.
You're basically giving armor class levels.

But I can't recommend improvements if I don't know why it was made.
ugh. his answer didn't give me what I wanted...
 
5:51 PM
@goodguy5 added a comment to try and help you.
 
ty lol
 
6:08 PM
@doppelgreener "wait no go back" - C.S. Lewis probably
 
@goodguy5 You'd be surprised how many people start doing something without understanding why
 
:rolling_eyes:
 
And then they just sort of drop it, because without knowing why they are doing it, they can't have criteria for when it is done.
 
@goodguy5 Speculation, but my guess would be that this is another "I want the themes of class X but the functionality of class Y" conflict.
 
@Yuuki Could be, but would be nice to say that clearly :)
 
6:17 PM
In this case, "I want the mystical martial arts of a monk but be an armored fighter".
 
It's really not. Monk's wisdom bonus to AC is just soul armor. done
but I'm writing something up for them
 
@goodguy5 I find that a lot of homebrew subclasses arise from people being too invested with the trappings of a class.
Like monks have to be cloth wearing ascetic martial artists.
And paladins have to be heavily armored chivalric knights.
 
right? Want a dr jekyl and mr hide? just play a barbarian with a few extra points in int
 
A 5e Paladin could easily be played as an irreligious (as far as you can be irreligious in a setting with actual deities) spellfencer.
It's just that people see a class name and they bring their preconceived notions with them.
 
@Yuuki I once had a PC play as an "atheist" and it was actually kind of funny.
 
6:29 PM
@Rubiksmoose An atheist, a humanist, or an antitheist?
 
@Rubiksmoose On the Discworld, only ceramic golems can afford to be atheist because everyone else gets incinerated by the gods' wrathful lightning... ;)
 
@ACuriousMind Faraday cage?
 
@Rubiksmoose My Paladin used to be more 'religious' but in-game story had him reduce his religious aspect and increase the focus of his vengeance.
 
I suppose a Faraday hamster ball would also be a possible out, yes :D
 
@Yuuki The latter more. Played a tiefling Mystic who believed that all the gods were just lucky beings that have accumulated too much power and that anybody could do it if they tried hard enough. I believe he was trying to slay the celestial dragons for some reason as part of this grand idea.
@ACuriousMind Ah Discworld you are amazing.
 
6:32 PM
@Yuuki haha :D
 
@Rubiksmoose Clearly, he wanted some celestial scalemail.
 
@Yuuki XD there may be easier ways to have gone about it on second thought
 
@Yuuki He could also have ordered a package from the Upper Planes, then he would get celestial snail mail
 
@SPavel he better have that package weighed on the celestial mail scale to see the shipping on it first.
 
@Rubiksmoose Unfortunately it was too heavy, so the whole thing was a snail mail scale fail
 
6:44 PM
@ACuriousMind Heh. I was doing a project with Qualcomm once and the engineers had to work in a Faraday cage. I took [too much] enjoyment in telling them to get back in their cage and work.
 
@NautArch I hope you cracked a whip while saying that!
 
@NautArch hahaha. Bet they loved it every time. XD
 
finally. a response up
also, atheists are funny in D&D.
You're basically either willfully ignorant, or brutally jaded.

"Man, look. I get that he can do all this cool stuff, but who's to say he's not just a really strong wizard?"
 
Atheism in D&D can have many flavours
The mildest is "yeah, there are these guys Pelor and Myrkul and whatever, but they are just very powerful Outsiders, not gods."
 
6:49 PM
@Rubiksmoose In Discworld this is pretty much true. Anyone can become a god if enough people believe in them, and gods die when people stop believing in them.
 
@GreySage Small Gods was a great book.
 
D&D has a unique definition it uses for atheists which is more in tune with the real-world term for anti-theism (rpg.stackexchange.com/a/116133/1204). Atheists acknowledge the gods but actively oppose worship of them.
 
I mean. if a 20th level wizard goes into a small town and starts slinging magic, he can probably pick up a few followers.
 
@Rubiksmoose Monstrous Regiment too
 
@ACuriousMind Shoulda bought one!
 
6:50 PM
The Oh God of Hangovers grants spells, but not the ones you'd like
 
@Rubiksmoose Never once got a groan or eye-roll :P
 
@goodguy5 They can pick up at least a few non-willingly.
 
Nonbelievers are not common in their settings, but someone who's never witnessed actual divine presence or intervention in the setting might have reason to doubt their existence.
 
You prep spells late at night, and in the morning regret every choice
 
@Rubiksmoose Worst case scenario, start Finger of Death and Polymorphing them
 
6:51 PM
@Rubiksmoose XD
 
@SPavel I've always wondered about atheism in D&D. It seems pretty clear that Gods exist (there's proof.) But I guess it's the statement that they call themselves, but they're just superduper powerful?
@doppelgreener Which would make them less of an Atheist and more of an Agnostic.
 
@NautArch Yeah, they claim to have created the races and the universe and whatever, but where's the proof?
I mean, there are gods that are actually ascended mortals
Why aren't all of them?
 
@NautArch No, agnostic is a separate thing entirely. Gnosticism is a wholly separate axis that describes how certain you are in your belief, whatever that belief is.
 
@doppelgreener Right, that's why I was thinking that not believing in the Gods because they haven't yet seen evidence is Gnostic, not Atheism.
 
Literally means not-know a-gnostic
 
6:53 PM
Isn't gnosticism a religion that believes in a fake god, the demiurge?
 
@NautArch One can be an agnostic atheist, or a gnostic atheist.
 
now agnomstics just have a thing against short people
 
The person who hasn't seen any evidence, doubts it, and has reason to believe otherwise, could be either.
(Like "if the god of justice were real they wouldn't have let that army overrun my homeland.")
 
@Rubiksmoose Gnome Anne lives forever
 
@doppelgreener Really? I had always thought that Atheist is a straight up NO to gods and once you say "i'm waiting on evidence", then you enter gnostic territory.
 
6:55 PM
There's positive and negative atheism.
 
@Yuuki Do they annihilate when you collide them?
That explains the God particle
 
@SPavel No, that would be positive and anti-positive atheism.
They actually attract like protons and electrons.
That's why you tend to find atheists in groups.
 
@doppelgreener that was a very interesting read edit: oh wow just realized that the question is very current.
no wonder it didn't come up in my searches for D&D atheism when I was researching for my campaign.
 
Nay. Think of it like two axes. One axis goes from "athiesm" (I don't believe in a religion/deity/god/etc) to "theism" (I do believe in that stuff). The other axis goes from "agnostic" (I don't know for sure this is true) to "gnostic" (I know for sure this is true). That gives us:
- Gnostic Atheist: "There's no such thing as god, and I'm completely certain this is true. Evidence points to this and/or no evidence points to the contrary."
- Agnostic Atheist: "I don't believe there's such thing as god, but I can't know for sure. I'd be open to the idea there might be."
 
@doppelgreener Wait, so does that mean we can make a TRPG around religion (Disciples & Devils?) and use Theism and Gnosticism as our alignment axes?
 
6:59 PM
@Yuuki Yes
If you're so inclined :P
 
> My campaign forbids Atheist Agnostics.
 
My character has two axes, Theism is a +1 vorpal brilliant energy dwarven battle axe, and Gnosticism is a +5 keen outsiderbane hand axe
 
Evangelicals are generally in the Gnostic Theist category.
 
@doppelgreener oh man but if you call an Evangelical a Gnostic...
 
Surely "evidence points to this" and "there is no evidence to the contrary" should be separate!
 
7:01 PM
@doppelgreener mind blown
 
You need three degrees. Evidence proves there is not/no evidence/evidence proves there is
 
@SPavel In both cases, you place value on evidence or lack thereof rather than belief.
 
@Yuuki "You're a gnostic right?"
 
@SPavel note the and/or, I'm just trying to provide a general estimate of the stance.
@Yuuki Right. Gnosticism is also a handful of defined movements, though nowadays in analysis like this it's used as a point on an axis.
 
Don't know much about previous editions, but would Frightened condition and Wis saves replace Sanity Checks?
 
7:03 PM
@Yuuki Yes, and in the center you can have the alignment TM: True "Meh."
 
@nitsua60 Correct
 
I'm more of a Lawful Meh.
 
@Maximillian Meh Evil - wants to do bad things but can't be bothered to act upon that
Med Good - posts "positive vibes" on social media
 
I have this great idea for Evil someone should totally do.
@doppelgreener Apathetic Agnostic: "I don't know and I don't care."
 
I like how we suddenly invented the "motivation" axis
 
7:04 PM
@Maximillian Also a thing. XD
 
@Maximillian Looking for a developer and an artist to help me create my Evil idea, I will be the ideas guy and you will each get 5% of profits
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@SPavel Slacktivist (as opposed to a Stacktivist, one who campaigns for the better of mankind on SE)
 
@GreySage Stackind
 
@SPavel The advanced form of this is Craigslist Evil.
 
@SPavel 5% divided between the two of them, right?
:)
 
7:06 PM
@doppelgreener Yes, but not evenly - the dev gets 5%, the artist gets exposure
 
"Suckers, if I never earn a profit, I don't pay out!"
@SPavel Possibly artic exposure. Evil Ideas often include remote skull-forts.
 
@SPavel Give that artist a blanket!
 
@SPavel Makes sense
 
@Maximillian I think that is a real business plan that legitimate businesses use
 
That's Corporate Evil.
As evil as possible within the extent of the law and legal advisory team.
 
7:07 PM
@Maximillian Just make it a non-profit. Problem solved
 
Myself I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't have strong belief in any given faith. I'm fine with people who do have faith, and it can be very constructive. I'm open to the idea there's a god or an afterlife but I've got no real reason to believe there's either. I do my best to be a good person because I can be. I'd consider myself a secular humanist as far as affiliation goes in this general category.
 
@Rubiksmoose We didn't reach our Kickstarter stretch goal for a blanket
 
@doppelgreener I have financial debts and work schedules that keep me concerned on the now rather than the cosmic long-term life, meaning, and existence. If I exist in six months, I think that's just /dandy/.
I'm not asking the computer the meaning of life, existence, and everything. I'm asking the great computer where the HECK this code error is coming from. I have a deadline.
 
hahaha :D
that's quite important and valid
 
Should we find out there is some form of almighty, all knowing entity, we have a paying position for him on the QA team.
 
7:10 PM
@Maximillian Alternately, put them in helpdesk since they clearly have all the Answers.
 
@Maximillian Part-time with possibility of full-time only, let's not get crazy
 
Actually, maybe not, I really don't want to be bothered with the Apocalypse when Smash 5 hasn't been released yet.
 
Being Omniscient will mean you don't get invited to poker night but we're okay with you coming to RPG night so long as you don't spoil the fun.
 
@Maximillian Wait, are you sure you want the all-knowing entity responsible for this [looks around] to join your QA team?
@Yuuki heck yeah! Smash 5!
 
7:12 PM
@Yuuki if they're almighty they could do both
 
Honestly, if they're all knowing, I bet they have access to the QA build of Earth, and I really wanna get in good to see if I can get a pull request to take a look at it.
I have so many bug reports for the existence tracker.
I'll understand if they don't want me forking earth and making my own build.
 
@Maximillian isn't that Elon Musk's strategy
 
I'm not convinced Elon is entirely human.
 
@Maximillian I personally think we are already forking Earth pretty hard every day.
 
I expect we're going to get to Mars and find he's been there for 30 years.
 
7:14 PM
Recruiting for my newest startup Erf, we will disrupt the market for planets by making a new planet using blockchain
 
@SPavel this was funny. thanks.
 
It's weird. I don't know how to express my opinion on theism when I've never had time to contemplate it. There are too many fires in life to put out.
 
@Maximillian That was the view of early Slavic Christians. They continued to worship the pagan gods alongside the newfangled gods because Heaven is a pretty neat feature but it doesn't help us with the crops so I'm going to make a quick sacrifice to Perun, brb
 
@SPavel that was amazing.
 
So the missionaries copy-pasted all the pagan gods in as saints, and just changed the name
 
7:16 PM
@SPavel Heaven is nice but I'm worried about backwards compatibility.
What if a user is running IE 900 BCE?
 
@Yuuki VM it in purgatory
 
@SPavel Like pallete swaps in an older JRPG!
 
@Maximillian Basically
So they palette swapped Perun (who was already Thor with a different hat) into St Elijah
And now an Israeli prophet is a thunder viking
 
And don't get me started on modern game developers using mythology as a grab bag for names.
 
@Yuuki I'd love to see a co-op game where all the copy-paste gods join up to fight evil and also each other
 
7:19 PM
Now I'm stuck thinking splinter sects/faiths are fanfics of the root faith.
 
Xenoblade 2 has Perun as a character. But Perun is a she and she's a spear-wielding ice summoner person. With massive fanservice.
 
Xenoblade 2 seemed to be a bit big on that.
 
@Maximillian Yeah...
It's still a good game though.
 
Apollo, Ra, Sol Invictus, Tonatiuh, Surya, each in their own totally original chariot of fire
 
@SPavel They're racing along a beach.
 
7:22 PM
@SPavel I liked Jquery as a dying dolphin
 
And then the piano cuts in.
 
@SPavel but is the fire awesome and HD and are there quicktime events?
 
@doppelgreener the fire is so HD you have no idea, the game only renders in 8K so it runs like crap on all the hardware for no reason, also it's brown
 
@SPavel "-1 not enough jquery" is the best part of that
 
7:24 PM
@GreySage The 'related" ones are great too
 
@SPavel "where are my legs?"
 
@SPavel oh no
Hi @June!
 
@doppelgreener oh no
 
@SPavel well that's effing bizarre
 
oh no
 
7:40 PM
this Sanity talk makes me want to incorporate that into a game @Rubiksmoose :)
 
@NautArch The sanity sounds fun. Madness was...ok in our experience. Really more annoying than anything most of the time. (We are playing OotA right now)
 
@Rubiksmoose He didn't say he wanted to incorporate madness in his game. All TTRPG games are by default in the state of madness. He wanted to incorporate sanity.
 
@Rubiksmoose Definitely going to check out the DMG tables for it
 
@SPavel I can tell you there is definitely no semblance of sanity at my game table ever. :)
 
@Rubiksmoose Would be an interesting rule set. You start out as mighty invincible murderhobos, and after you take enough sanity damage to your madness, you lose the will to slaughter and pillage.
At the end of the campaign, depending on how much madness you have left, you either settle down in a nice suburb or become a hedge fund manager
 
7:45 PM
@SPavel And everyone retires as farmers.
 
@Rubiksmoose You can also end the game as a rebellious princess, young lad whose parents were killed by barbarians, or any other number of backstories
If you did very poorly, you become a nerd playing make-believe in a basement
 
I wonder if there are systems where you start out incredibly strong but get weaker along the way
 
has anyone played the curse of strahd?
 
@Rubiksmoose I think there's a Ctulhuesque thing like this, except it's more that the monsters become stronger and the PCs accumulate drawbacks
But they don't start out all that strong
This could also be a great Dark Lord game - you are Sauron, you can craft Orcs and Rings by sacrificing your essence
 
@goodguy5 @kviiri has I believe.
 
7:49 PM
They make your position in the world stronger, but you personally weaker
 
@SPavel ooooo very interesting.
 
Hearts of Iron actually does this fairly well - at the start you might think you have a large manpower pool, but after you run half a million men into the Maginot Line, you suddenly don't have as many as you thought
Unless, of course, you play as China
 
@SPavel I feel like becoming a hedge fund manager requries more will to slaughter and pillage than the average murderhobo.
/s
mostly
maybe not, have you seen what some hedge fund managers are doing in puerto rico and such?
 
@Yuuki Naturally there will be madness-boosting options
For example, Rage
None of the murderhobos can die but barbarians are also resilient in their madness, due to a commitment to murder that goes beyond that amateurish wizard
 
@SPavel Barbarians don't just kill you, they kill you dead.
 
8:07 PM
@goodguy5 A few sessions, yes.
@SPavel The French defense against Nazi wizards - Magi-Not line.
 
@Yuuki Degrees of death: alive, slightly dead, mostly dead, death, megadeth, killed dead, superdead, not invited to Jessica's sweet sixteen party but everyone else is going, raised as a zombie and then killed again, and chunky salsa.
 
@SPavel And the final level, “ain’t going to be in Rush Hour 3”.
 
@goodguy5 I'm going offline for a while but if you have any questions I'll look into them later
and reply asap
 
@NautArch oof
Normally I would say that the DM would decide but that's clearly a conflict of interest
 
8:20 PM
@SPavel yeah, i'm trying to think of how to answer it. Ultimately, the answer is DM decides. But things that take away player agency suck. Happened in one of my games (PC triggered an event where his soul swapped with an NPC), had we not resolved it, he'd have lost his character's personality and had it replaced by the DMs guy.
 
@NautArch Well that's just the DM being a dingus
 
@SPavel yup
Is it a dupe?
seems to be identical...
or at least close, but maybe not
 
@NautArch Yep, dupe
Even though it was closed as opinion based, the top answer answers the question well
 
@SPavel Closed it, but not feeling good about it. Who decides is different than how to decide.
I think i erred.
 
That one time when one of your players calls down lightning elementals while flooding Scotland, and another one summons the Elder Gods through a Quidditch hoop. Just another #tabletop #RPG #GameNight running #FateCore cc @EvilHatOfficial
 
8:30 PM
@BESW ... 10 points to Slytherin?
Or Ravenclaw?
Summoning Elder Gods seems like a Ravenclaw or Slytherin thing to do.
 
@NautArch I disagree. "How" is a process that includes "who" implicitly.
If the decision is by dice roll, the dice decide. If the decision is by popular vote, the players decide. If the decision is arrived at by reasoning X, Y, Z, then the person who gets to reason decides.
 
@SPavel If i'm right, I'm totally fine with it :) I just often...am not.
 
A thing I love about Blades is that I, as a GM, can say "No, that is straight up going to kill you" and it is on the player to make that not so. Makes me feel like less of a jerk, and lets me really bring the consequences.
 
Hmmm I think I'm fine with my answer.
It is hard to explicitly define the back and forth that happens at the table though and the understanding underlying that interaction.
 
8:52 PM
@doppelgreener And then there's a third axis for the level of intervention in everyday life that's expected from the god you may or may not have evidence for believing or not believing in... faith is complicated!
 
9:14 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: Can divine magic users learn arcane spells from a spellbook? by Juliet on rpg.SE
 
@SmokeDetector I have to admire that spam's direct pitch. "No human sacrifices" is, admittedly, a good selling point.
 
@BESW i agree!
 
lol
 
@BESW On the one hand, I'd love to not be convicted for first-degree murder. On the other hand, an argument can be made that half of the magic is the atmosphere.
 
That's what the incense is for.
...vapemancy.
 
9:29 PM
vapemancy
sounds like exactly the kind of magic my nemesis would use
 
> Vapemancy. By creating and manipulating great clouds of vape smoke, you can create magical advantages with Lore, and get +2 to do so. But you are weak against (can be compelled) popular opinion.
 
the eternal battle will begin as soon as a vapomancer actually exists
 
10:08 PM
vapomancer fights are hard to miss and don't go well in large groups
 
hey there @ACuriousMind
 
1
Q: How does the Fire Giant Dreadnought's Shield Charge actually work?

user43082If the Dreadnought misses his first attack is he stopped from further movement? Also, if the PC makes the strength save does that stop the dreadnought from further movement?

was tagging this correct?
 
10:33 PM
@doppelgreener the vapomancer is a cunning adversary for sure
 

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