The Ink Spot

5:51 AM

Vignelli's subway map, and the graphic design process, are now immortalized in a children's book: http://dogroup.co/2BSdTe5

Tweeted by DesignObserver on February 26, 2018 at 8:58 PM

Meta Graphic Design

11:03 AM

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Q: Italic and bold don't work

How to "italicize" a word in an italic paragraph? That question doesn't italicize the words right from the edit panel, yet the bullets work. Why is that? Test: italic, bold

Vincent

11:14 AM

@LateralTerminal I'd seriously consider flatly saying 'no'. And also, I'd seriously consider saying 'no' to being so far down the chain compared to the people who make the decisions

WELZ

12:33 PM

@Vincent great post!

Vincent

1:35 PM

@WELZ thx

WELZ

I don't agree that it's a dupe, (in short) you are asking about min, not maximum

Vincent

It's a way more specific question than what is treated in the Q&A I linked to

(which happens to be the same that is proposed as a dupe)

but I edited for clarity

joojaa

@Vincent I would be careful with values below 50%

As they rasterize so their effect is more nonuniform than higher densities

2 100% is offcourse very uniform

but 25% has much less coverage than 100% so its more spotty

or grainy if you prefeer

Vincent

1:53 PM

@joojaa for a signle ink, you mean?

joojaa

yes

100% means ink ins everywhere

25 means ony on one of 4 dots

personally i would just print out a proof somewhere

Vincent

@joojaa that is too expensive for me at the moment

joojaa

You ct try to guestimate this with a inkjet of good quality

Vincent

@joojaa doesn't 25% mean that there are as many dots as there would be with 60%, but they are just smaller?

joojaa

no

in a inkjet maybe

Vincent

1:56 PM

then I need to learn something about process printing

isn't the size of the dots what entails the percentage, rather than the amount?

joojaa

depends on what you mean by a dot though

no dots are either on or of

Vincent

@joojaa lolwut

I never knew that

joojaa

a dot either has ink or has not

Vincent

You are telling me taht this diagram is wrong

joojaa

Bot on a raster level the clumps of dots that form a araster make a bigger superdot

A raster is not the same a s adot

a dot is the smallest adressable item for the printer

Vincent

1:59 PM

ah, then it;s terminology that's in the way

I was talking about a raster point

joojaa

So the things on your image tre raster hapftones

Vincent

but back to the issue at hand--

joojaa

Yes but my point is that 60% has more coverage than a 25%

Vincent

you'd advise at least 50% for any ink in a rich black?

@joojaa yes and ink is wet :P

joojaa

meaning that your black is more uneven in the lower value

Vincent

2:00 PM

uneven on what scale, though?

are we talking exact, magnifying glass work here

joojaa

depends on the printers resoultion

Vincent

or something that a layman would notice?

WELZ

hey @johnp, welcome back. (again)

Welcome @WilliamMariager

joojaa

if its a 2400 dpi device with a stochastical screen then no i wouldnt notice

Vincent

I'd appreciate an answer on my Q that inlcudes the high points you just hit on :)

William Mariager

2:01 PM

Hey @WELZ :)

WELZ

@Vincent and then @joojaa would get to appreciate some rep :)

joojaa

But if its a uniform screen on a 1200 dpi machine then it might show up

Vincent

@WELZ exactly

and I wouldn't have to tell him 'don't answer questions in chat' :P

@joojaa I think I get it.

johnp

@WELZ hello!

LateralTerminal

@joojaa For what kind of printing? We don't get spotty unless we go down to 5%

or even lower like 3%

joojaa

2:18 PM

@LateralTerminal yes but 100% 100% is a shiny even surface

the other clor not so much

But i have a very good near vision so i can spot it

@LateralTerminal aslo depends HIGHLY on what resolution and rastering method you get

LateralTerminal

2:32 PM

@joojaa Typically 150lpi we don't notice any breakout until 3%

joojaa

at 150 LPI you wouldnt really notice it unless its in your hand and you apprasied it really close

But if its for a low end poster print on a inkjet that differnce might be visible

LateralTerminal

@joojaa gotcha. I missed the beginning context it doesn't seem to be in the chat? @Vincent you're printing some fun project or something? Sorry nosy :P

joojaa

@LateralTerminal there isnt any context so im not assuming the printer is super quality

might be or might not

LateralTerminal

Oh i'm sorry I didn't see this

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Q: How wet should a custom rich black be?

In recent jobs, I have skewed away from pre-mixed rich black formulas in favour of making a black that fits dominant colours in the publication. For example, in a publication with a dominant full magenta colour scheme, I used a pure magenta rich black (C0 M100 Y0 K100) and the results came out gr...

color cmyk black

joojaa

I mean its a good question but near unaswerable

LateralTerminal

2:48 PM

@joojaa how accurate is this wikipedia article on rich black?

Rich black

Rich black, in printing, is an ink mixture of solid black over one or more of the other CMYK colors, resulting in a darker tone than black ink alone generates in a printing process. A typical rich black mixture might be 100% black, 50% of each of the other three inks. Other percentages are used to achieve specific results, for example 100% black with 70% cyan (C), 35% magenta (M), and 40% yellow (Y) is used to achieve "cool" black. "Warm Black" is 35%C, 60%M, 60%Y, and 100%K. The colored ink under the black ink makes a "richer" result; the additional inks absorb more light, resulting in a closer...

I ask because I don't always trust wikipedia

Vincent

@LateralTerminal No I'm just trying to always match my rich black to the main colours in the idenity

this one has a grey / green logo so I want a rich black with a similar green sheen

These two were done with C0 M100 Y0 K100 and C100 M0 Y0 K100, respectively

LateralTerminal

3:10 PM

It's so rich :')

Vincent

lol

LateralTerminal

Seriously it looks really good

Vincent

thanks. These two are the main reason I'm such a fan of adapting my rich black formula

LateralTerminal

Can I ask what these were for without being too nosy? :P

Vincent

it might not show in the picture, but in real life you can see really well that the black matches the cyan and the magenta

these are birth announcements

LateralTerminal

3:19 PM

Oh that's really interesting!

Vincent

it's a pretty big thing in the Netherlands: sending an original and well-designed card to your friends and family when you got a baby

I have quite some in my portfolio, they are among my favourite projects

I'm working on another one at the moment, but that's not what the green rich black is for

This one was a blast to do, as well bakabaka.nl/monster-illustratie-geboortekaartje-tygo

LateralTerminal

3:42 PM

That does look fun :)

May I ask. Is the Netherlands really as amazing as I always hear it is?

@Vincent

Vincent

@LateralTerminal depends on the aspect :)

it's pretty nice when safety and income are concerned

it's crappy in terms of weather, bureaucracy and cuisine

oh and we pay exorbitant taxes

Where are you from @Lateral

LateralTerminal

4:23 PM

@Vincent I wasn't going to talk about it because I like being anonymous. But I noticed these questions and I wouldn't mind more exposure to them. I live somewhere between these two places.

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Q: Is the illegal nuclear waste at The Westlake Nuclear Landfill a risk to public health?

This Question refers to the 1 of 3 the nuclear landfill sites in residential/commercial areas in the St. Louis, MO area. These landfills are a result of the leftovers from the Manhattan Project Westlake Nuclear Landfill Inspired by the new HBO documentary called Atomic Homefront which can be vi...

environmental-health radiation public-health nuclear-weapons nuclear-energy

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Q: Is the illegal nuclear waste at the Coldwater Creek Nuclear Landfill a risk to public health?

NOTE: This is not a copy of: Is the illegal nuclear waste at The Westlake Nuclear Landfill a risk to public health? which is a different nearby nuclear landfill that has a different issue of a Subsurface Smoldering Event (SSE) aka: underground fire. The current question you are reading is the one...

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LateralTerminal

4:34 PM

But hopefully not for long when my lease is up

Vincent

5:00 PM

@LateralTerminal I can imagine the desire to stay anonymous

I didn't mean to browbeat you into revealing your location, sorry

Just friendly curiosity. That's one of the other perks/downsides of being Dutch: we are direct and blunt in the extreme 😅

LateralTerminal

@Vincent It's cool! I'd probably care more if I had facebook or something but I don't have any social media except SE. So I don't mind sharing my rough location with you guys. If you come visit make sure you bring hazmat suits :P

@Vincent I like that :)

Emilie

5:50 PM

An edit went through on the title of this question and I think it has people confused
https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/106122/how-to-remove-white-in-irregular-shape-photoshop-cc

I initially understood it as the OP is trying to remove the transparent pixels. I can see how someone who is not savvy with images thinks they could have irregular shapes...

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

8:12 PM

greetings

@Emilie you could do a rollback and ask the OP for clarity

WELZ

8:41 PM

@Emilie agreed, title is confusing.

Title shouldn't be overly broad or too specific, they should be somewhere in the middle. Where you can at least get what the question is about, but still need to read more to fully understand.

@LateralTerminal I think he just meant a general are (like a state is usually very anonymous yet still quite specific)

Emilie

9:13 PM

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ Thanks @DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ, didn't realize rollbacks were easily accessible. I just did exactly what you've suggested. I can imagine that can cause problems. Do you ever get rollback wars?

WELZ

9:26 PM

yes

JohnB

@Emilie there's a whole tag for it on Meta.SE! meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/rollback-wars

WELZ

I once saw one with about 150, let me see if I can find it...

*126 here it is

BESW

10:35 PM

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BESW

11:15 PM