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12:00 AM
Or at least internet-world.
 
Another random interrupt. Bret Harte!
Francis Bret Harte (August 25, 1836 – May 5, 1902) was an American short story writer and poet, best remembered for his short fiction featuring miners, gamblers, and other romantic figures of the California Gold Rush. In a career spanning more than four decades, he wrote poetry, fiction, plays, lectures, book reviews, editorials, and magazine sketches in addition to fiction. As he moved from California to the eastern U.S. to Europe, he incorporated new subjects and characters into his stories, but his Gold Rush tales have been most often reprinted, adapted, and admired. == Biography == ...
Mark (Samuel Langhorn Clemens) Twain has gotten some attention at LSE, but Bret Harte none, far as i can tell.
They were binary stars at the time.
They learned from each other.
. . . just thorning . . .
 
@humn If I ask a question about his work, would you have a go at answering it? :-)
 
Might take days. Somewhat personal. (I've been compared to both. Took it personally. Too much so, made me hide for a couple of years.)
 
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@Randal'Thor @Mithrandir Yeah! I'm fluent in toki pona, it's lowercase.
 
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The only capitalized words in toki pona are names and inherited proper nouns.
 
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12:15 AM
mi li jan Sajera. mi kama, tan ma Amewika.
 
!
 
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(It's okay to write Toki Pona, no one's gonna get on your case about it or anything. And it makes more sense in English. But it would be written 'toki pona' in toki pona.)
 
! !
 
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toki ala toki e toki pona, @humn?
 
An honorary member, at best.
(I understand better than i speak.)
And i understand that you learned English on the mean streets, @Zyerah. Not a bad talent.
Saves a few trips to the emergency room.
I'm always super nosy, @Zyerah, and if you mind i'll quiet down. But what is your natural language? (Mine's Suomi/Finnish the hard way, but i've learned English for 50+ years the easy way.)
 
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12:24 AM
It's good, don't worry :>
 
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I'm a native English speaker. I was raised around Spanish and Hebrew, but I never picked them up as working second languages.
 
Thank you.
 
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Finnish is a language I've always wanted to start learning, but it's tricky to find time.
 
Might not be worth it, to tell the truth. It has almost no analogue. And everyone from there speaks fluent English and Swedish. It might be a dying language.
 
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Aww. Yeah, I can understand.
 
12:31 AM
... i promised not to post video after video, but, well, ...
^ these are some of the world's greatest linguists showing off their musical talents for someone lost, all of whom i've edited. But the name, "Dead Tongues," is precious.
Thank you for enlightening me to a rising, risible, tongue, @Zyerah.
 
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I'll watch this in a bit, thank you for sharing it!
 
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And you're welcome :> It's a whole lot of fun.
 
! . . . and now i'm truly taking the show on the road. This time of day (late afternoon) I don't expect vignettes.
 
12:54 AM
... agh, just ran back in the door. "linguist" is not the same as "litterateur," but there's some connection.
... and now running back out the door . . .
 
@Zyerah Finnish is hard, for an English speaker.
It's so dissimilar to almost any other language of Europe.
 
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Yeah, that's part of what draws me to it. I enjoy exploring a variety.
 
OK, it's not quite Basque, but it's not in the Indo-European language group.
 
. . . and now agreeing . . . old Latin is the closest but still entierely dissimilar
Morphologically it's also similar to Magyar but all the words are different.
It, I fear, is a dying tongue, so i only use it for threats now. It sounds like machine-gun fire when spoken by someone street-borne.
 
@humn And even more similar to Estonian?
 
12:59 AM
Almost identical!
And that's about it.
Some Saami/Lapp languages also, but . . .
Even a few indigenous Alaskan languages, but . . .
 
@humn "Alaska Native" is the collective term, if you're looking for it.
 
(too late to edit)
 
Ada Lovelace calls Charles Dickens to her death-bed
"Murderbot is a very human sort of bot—despite their occasionally assertion that they’re not really a person." Sleeps With Monsters on @marthawells1 creation! https://www.tor.com/2018/02/06/sleeps-with-monsters-the-adventures-of-murderbot/
“Specified several captive offer a turnip ship.” —When ur translation utility ain’t all it could be. #Provenance @ann_leckie #nospoilers
 
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@BESW I loved the first Murderbot book!
 
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I can't wait for more.
 
1:05 AM
@Ash It's on my list.
I've spent 2 years tracking the gender balance in my stories. In that time, I've raised the proportion of women whom I quote from 25% to 50%. Here's why I did it, and what I learned on the way. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/i-spent-two-years-trying-to-fix-the-gender-imbalance-in-my-stories/552404/
Thread:
Hello, friends! Hugo nominations have opened up, so I want to take this moment to tell you all about some great books I worked on this year. Feel free to nominate them for Hugos--or just go read and enjoy them!
 
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@BESW I highly recommend it, it's fun and interesting
 
@BESW , sweet!
 
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@BESW I am going to check this thread out later and I suspect it will explode my TBR list
 
I'm slowly working through Provenance right now.
It's good! The main character has the very relatable flaw of thinking she knows how other people will react to things, and being very wrong.
 
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Interesting :D
 
1:08 AM
Also Leckie's great at stuffing me inside the heads of people I don't think like.
 
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I decided at 1 am to start re-reading all the Tamora Pierce books.
 
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@BESW I tried her Imperial Radch stuff but I just couldn't follow it
 
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@BESW hahaha that was me today after that decision, yes
 
@Ash The first couple chapters of Ancillary Justice were difficult for me, because I really don't like "Narrator won't explain what's going on even though the POV character knows" conceits, but it was so worth it.
I got Trogdor to read the series, too. He finished it earlier this week.
 
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1:11 AM
@BESW I finished all of Ancillary Justice and my review was "wanted to like it but was too confused to hold it all together in my head", effectively
 
Fair enough.
I felt... very rewarded, by her depiction of colonial assimilation.
It was hauntingly familiar in ways that I've never seen in speculative fiction before.
 
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I liked what she had to say about things, just how she said it was a struggle for my brainmeats
 
I'm glad I read it when I did. Provenance is much less challenging and my brainmeats aren't what they were.
 
@BESW That can be done in a very kludgey way (PoV character keeps describing something they know about using evasive/non-descriptive language); I'm sure it can be done well too, but can't think of an example offhand at 1am ...
 
Provenance is more of a cozy political murder mystery about a younger daughter of a noble house looking to make good in a world that's struggling with its own identity crisis, where Radch is a sprawling space opera about a dead spaceship that wants to kill the immortal who murdered it but finds compassion and friendship along the way.
 
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1:15 AM
So it's not related to Radch?
 
It's set in the same universe, a short time after the Radch trilogy but very far from Radch space.
 
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ah, okay
 
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I might have to try it at some point
 
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Mind you, my TBR list is over 400 things again :(
 
I'm more than 2/3 through and there's one Radchaai character and she's mostly just miserable because she's not in the Radch.
(If the Radch trilogy is, thematically, about exploring how our bodies and minds create our identity, then Provenance is about exploring how our external context and history create our identity. Hence "Provenance.")
 
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1:19 AM
Interesting
 
#CetoReadingList “There were only three names allowed in the family, and only three children. There was the oldest, who was always Ruth, and the middle child, who was always Susan. The youngest was “the baby” or simply Baby.” By Ursula Vernon, @UrsulaV https://www.apex-magazine.com/the-dark-birds/
@Ash ...this morning I ran across a Twitter thread full of links to fanfic about Steve Rogers' socialism, and now that's in my queue.
 
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1:51 AM
@BESW I am intrigued
 
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@BESW oooh I have read that I recommend it, it is a good story
 
@Ash Starts here. Lots of links to articles, fanfic, etc.
> ...unlike other patriotic superheroes (like Superman, for example), Captain America is meant to represent the America of the Four Freedoms, the Atlantic Charter, and the Second Bill of Rights – a particular progressive ideal.
 
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I will have to check that out
 
A lot of the fic recs are Stucky.
I have deeply mixed feelings about Stucky.
 
2:35 AM
Lit people may appreciate (or be able to answer) this question:
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Q: Did Jack London influence "We"?

rosesunhillSummary: Did Jack London's dystopian novel, The Iron Heel, published in 1908, influence Zamyatin's We? Yevgeny Zamyatin's novel, We, completed in 1921 and published in English in 1924, is one of the earliest dystopian novels, and usually called a significant influence on George Orwell's 1949 nov...

 
3:24 AM
@Shokhet The former was copied directly from the latter, so presumably this is all Gutenberg's fault ... — Rand al'Thor 12 hours ago
Very likely, I think. @Randal'Thor
@Ash I have a copy of Ancillary Justice, the question is whether I'll find the time to read it...
Interestingly, I had a similar feeling after reading Small Angry Planet. Although I had the sense that this feeling of grasping at holding it all together was more due to reading it in several pieces, mixed with other books. I don't think it was very convoluted, as sf books with multiple species and characters go.
 
...I felt like Small Angry Planet's scope didn't fit its ambitions.
 
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Funnily enough, I adore Small Angry Planet
 
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I think because I had no idea what it was supposed to be about
 
I might like it better on a second read?
 
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a friend just went "people doing people stuff in space" and I read it
 
3:30 AM
I'll definitely have to revisit it, give it the attention it deserves.
 
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and I think I liked it because I just think of it as people being people in space
 
Not that I didn't like it, just that it was a little too big for a cozy character drama and a little too small for a sprawling space opera and I got the impression it wasn't sure which it was aiming for.
 
People meaning sentients, not humans. Multiple species is a huge part of the story.
@BESW Interesting.
 
And it was too... coherently plotted? for a really solid road trip.
I dunno, maybe it was my need to figure out what it was in the context of other things that get in the way of my reading it for itself.
But on that read it just felt like it was almost three or four different really good books but it couldn't quite pick.
 
Hmm.
I'm not sure I see what you're seeing in the book, but I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean.
 
3:35 AM
It's a first novel, I think that's all.
Lots of first novels have that same scattered voice and the sense that there's a bit too much going on without a good way to connect it all together.
 
It's a pretty good first novel :)
 
It is!
The only first novels that aren't a little shaky tend to also be the last good novel the author writes for a very long time.
 
It was a Kickstarter project, right? Was there an editor involved? ...I wonder if an editor might've been able to nudge the book more toward ...cohesion, I guess.
 
I don't know, but I've read Twilight. I know an editor isn't a panacea.
You've gotta get an editor that clicks with the author, and the author has to listen.
 
I'm sure
(I haven't read Twilight. I'm not sure I get your comparison.)
 
3:40 AM
And even then, an editor can't bring something out if it's not there. There are perfect novels and there are published novels and you can only choose both about once in a lifetime, if you're lucky.
 
0
Q: 1984 - What does O'Brien mean by this sentence?

OviWhile Winston is being held prisoner, O'Brian walks in the room for the first time and the conversation goes something like this" Winston: They got you too! O'Brian: Yes, they got me a long time ago. Does this mean that O'Brian, like Winston, was once a rebel, but was caught and conver...

 
That's a good way to put it
@Bookworm Not that sentence. I was talking with/about BESW. Stop interrupting, Bookworm!
 
@Shokhet Mmm. It's something I think lit.se needs to keep in mind more: that books aren't perfectly polished expressions of the author's original thoughts or inner mind; that books are always collaborations between author, editor, publisher, friends, and family; that books are mostly written as professional products on professional deadlines with professional pressures.
 
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@BESW so much this.
 
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3:48 AM
@BESW hahahahahahahaha
 
@BESW Those ideas have been bouncing around in the background of my mind recently. I tried to sign up for a creative writing class this semester, but the class was cancelled because they couldn't find enough students to take it. (Grrr...) There was some stuff about this in the syllabus, though.
It's a shame I couldn't get that class. I haven't written creatively in many long years, and have been thinking about starting again. Doing it in a structured way with feedback from a teacher (one of my favorite teachers; I was in his Comp II class) would've been perfect.
 
@Shokhet I think all literary analysis and criticism could benefit from more direct contact with the world of authorship and publishing. There's a lot of really froo-froo ideas about the mystic nature of authorship out there, that a good sit-down with Ursula Vernon's Twitter feed would explode in a heartbeat.
@Shokhet Whenever I come across links to online writing classes, I share them here.
 
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@BESW hahahahha oh yes very much so
 
@BESW Ah yes, Ursula Vernon Twitter is very good for that. I've been following recently, and it's all your fault! (In a good way :-)
 
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3:51 AM
Oh man I want to back this at the $8 level SO MUCH: kickstarter.com/projects/candystar/…
 
@BESW Hahaha :)
@BESW I haven't spent much time with the Writers.SE crowd, nor in the Overlook Hotel. (Perhaps I should.)
I know Brandon Sanderson puts some of his creative writing classes on YouTube.
 
Some weeks there's basically nothing in the Hotel except me linking to Writer Twitter.
How to Be A Writer In 5 Easy Steps: 1. harvest an idea, roots dripping with ichor 2. howl "WHAT ARE WORDS, WHY IS PLOT" under the moon 3. witness the silence of the void 4. despair 5. write the story anyway, in defiance of the dead gods asleep beneath the waves.
 
Not necessarily a problem. Writer Twitter is cool :)
 
I recently followed Jemisin and Leckie, and that's been fun.
 
Oh? I didn't know they were on Twitter. (I haven't read their stuff. Except for part of Ancillary Justice.)
 
3:56 AM
Your plan for your novel vs how it turns out
@ann_leckie
Science Fiction and Fantasy Writer, author of Ancillary Justice.
28.1k tweets, 18.8k followers, following 359 users
@nkjemisin
Hugo-winning bestselling SFF writer & reviewer. I use robust autoblockers due to harassment. They catch some friendlies. Unavoidable; sorry. She/her.
52k tweets, 48.5k followers, following 728 users
 
@BESW thankee
Will take down the links for when I get back to Twitter. (Taking a sabbatical right now.)
Hrm. Looked at NK's website to make sure I hadn't read any of her books. (I haven't.) "The Inheritance Trilogy" sounded very familiar, but I'm sure that's Christopher Paolini's fault.
 
Yeah, there's a lot of series with that title or something very similar.
Inheritance was good. Rather different, sometimes baffling.
 
@BESW I believe we've had this discussion before. Fantasy titles sharing a very small number of interchangeable elements...
 
I liked Broken Earth better, though usually I'd prefer something like Inheritance that's less... post-apocalyptic.
 
More important than Twitter, I just put Jemisin and Leckie on my ad-hoc TBR list. (I recently started a written list; not sure how that will work.)
 
4:05 AM
I've been trying to use GoodReads recently.
 
Someone else just told me I should use it.
 
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I love Goodreads
 
I'll figure out what it is/how to use it eventually :p
 
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I really just use it to track what i read
 
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So I know the absurd number of things I read in a year
 
4:09 AM
@Shokhet I know when I started keeping a written list. NYPL is really cool :)
@Ash I wondered how people knew stuff like that
I put check marks next to stuff I read already; maybe I can tally it all up after a while? :p
...just realized that I haven't actually started any of the books that were recommended by NYPL :0 ...will start looking for them soon.
 
 
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5:44 AM
my boyfriend almost never reads SFF but he’s just started reading an ARC of THE POPPY WAR so he can see what I spend all my time writing. I was a little nervous but today he called me to ask meticulous questions about pronunciations, geography, history, etc and I’m SO TOUCHED.
keeping up our #geometry theme this week, or #T3D2019_PoftheD comes from @bodleianlibs Douce 125, a late 10th or early 11th century copy of (Pseudo)Boethius on Geometry. Largely bi-dimensional, but we love #medieval #maths! https://medieval.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/catalog/manuscript_4501
 
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@BESW awww yay
 
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@BESW this is neat!
 
@Ash It's a fun project!
 
6:19 AM
Unusual #NHEphemera ? 1590 pamphlet about Peeter Stubbe, a farmer who was convicted of being a werewolf. Stubbe admitted to making a pact with the Devil in return for a belt which gave him the power to transform into a wolf at will. https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-damnable-life-and-death-of-stubbe-peeter-a-werewolf-1590
Excited to announce finalists for the 2018 Audie Award for Science Fiction! Congrats! #Audies2018
 
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@BESW I love stuff like this.
 
@Ash I've mentioned my attempt to make a Fate Accelerated game out of the testimony of Thiess of Kaltenbrun, right?
 
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No but that sounds awesome.
 
The idea was to spend the first scene as ordinary villagers and establish your quick/forceful/clever/careful/flashy/sneaky approaches, then as you set out on your mission you turn into werewolves and get werewolf permissions, and gain stunts that back them up.
That way you're defined by your human natures, even as you become hounds of god.
 
 
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10:50 AM
Book review: 'Nani's Kiss' by @LehuaParker https://talesfrompasifika.com/2018/02/07/nanis-kiss-by-lehua-parker/
There really is no better classroom discussion topic than Rock-Ogress-Yeti-Monsters. I mean, I can talk sacred Shaligram ammonites all day but nothing beats Dharma, Demons, and Darwin. Thanks @savageminds /@anthrodendum https://savageminds.org/2015/10/15/my-mother-was-a-rock-ogress-yeti-monster-true-tales-of-dharma-demons-and-darwin/
I'd love to see some critical engagement with the parenthetical in the final sentence of that essay.
 
@Bookworm Dupe!
We haven't had many duplicates here. Interesting that that quote should give rise to one.
 
 
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12:42 PM
0
Q: 1984, did Julia ever reach room 101? If so, what was her worst fear?

OviWhile O'Brian is torturing Winston, he reveals that Julia betrayed Winston almost immediately. Does this mean that she never reached room 101? If she did reach it, do we have any hints as to what her worst fear might have been?

 
 
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1:51 PM
Found this interesting article when searching for Narnia's name origins: 40 Things You Never Knew About Narnia
 
 
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3:27 PM
@BESW So he admitted it. Did he provide a demonstration of the belt's functions? :p
 
Odd result of merging.
 
@Mithrandir Interesting
Good work on the merge, tho ;-)
 
I just pressed the convenient "merge" button ;)
 
Lol
I don't know how mod things work. Have never been one :)
 
I actually use a couple scripts to put some of the more dangerous stuff easier to access ;)
 
3:34 PM
Hmm. I suppose it makes sense that there would be mod-specific scripts for stack exchange functions
 
I've got... probably more scripts than is strictly necessary.
(The number proooobably exceeds 30.)
 
Haha. I use a few SE scripts. Though I had to turn off the one that provided the top bar to chat after they updated the top bar
 
I didn't... still works for me.
 
@Mithrandir Oh wow. I probably use less than ten. Probably not more than five.
@Mithrandir Really? Lemme see if I still have it...
 
3:38 PM
Hmm
 
Actually, I have exactly 29 enabled at the moment, and 2 disabled :P
 
I'll try it later; I have to go now. להתראות!
@Mithrandir Still a lot :p
 
Later!
 
 
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5:24 PM
@Mithrandir Since the number that's strictly necessary is zero ... yes, probably :-)
 
It's kind of annoying to have to turn off each script when testing to see if a bug is SE or a script though...
 
Don't use scripts - problem solved.
<----- is a Luddite
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5:47 PM
Scripts make things so much easier.
...like the script that adds a link to everyone's chat profile from any site.
...or the one that adds a top bar in chat.
...or the one to add auto-comments.
...or the one to notify me when there's a new flag immediately.
...I could go on.
 
@Mithrandir If you know their username, you can find them in the chat userlist anyway.
Who needs a topbar in chat?
Autocomments make you look like a robot.
The flag density on Lit ain't exactly high anyway, and flags pretty much never need to be handled ASAP.
 
user15026
I moderate a decently large site and I don't use any scripts :P
 
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But everyone has their own workflow :)
 
6:03 PM
@Ash Same :-)
 
It's all for convenience ;)
@Randal'Thor Sure. I still like to know though :)
 
> Modern convenience is an excuse for switching your brain off.
If that's not a literary quote, it should be.
 
@Randal'Thor I am a robot. I mostly use them on IPS, where I've tried to make them not sound like a robot so much.
 
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@Randal'Thor Sometimes, though, it's nice not to have to think
 
@Ash Each to their own, I guess :-)
 
6:08 PM
@Randal'Thor meh.
I don't switch my brain off, I just focus it on other things.
 
If you achieve something only through the help of machines, how can you get any satisfaction from it?
This is why I don't get, e.g., gaming the system for badges.
 
@Randal'Thor What do you mean?
 
OK, so you've made a load of pointless edits to get the Copy Editor badge, or got a machine to help you with flagging to get the Marshal badge. Wouldn't it have been so much more satisfying to get those badges naturally, by dint of your own effort, and know you'd earned them?
(not you you, the impersonal you)
 
...those are entirely different from my scripts, though.
 
(yeah, I was just thinking that we've probably shifted away from the original topic)
(maybe it's just a random rand rant)
 
6:16 PM
My scripts are usually informational (Chat DEFCON, flag desktop notification, global flag summary) time saver (autocomments, chat link) or to enhance the experience (SOUP, SOX).
 
 
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7:57 PM
Who run the world? Introducing the Humble Book Bundle: Geek Gals! https://www.humblebundle.com/books/geek-gals-books?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Link&utm_campaign=Geek_Gals_Books_Announce
 
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That's a pretty good bundle
 
10:44 PM
There is a meme! @amyignatow tagged me! I have to post a book cover I love for cryptic reasons! I AM BAD AT MEMES AND FEEL THAT AFTER THE PEAR I SHOULD HAVE MEME AMNESTY BUT HERE IS A COVER
At the library: A kid patron came up to me at the desk, asked me where she could find more mystery books. That she'd read her first mystery & had loved it so much. So I led her over to the MG mystery series section. She placed a hand over her heart & whispered, "Oh my gosh."
@Ash Goldie Vance, Lumberjanes, Paper Girls--nice!
...I appreciate Jem and the Holograms so much more with the headcanon that Jerrica Benton later went rather mad, abandoned her pop star career, and became Diamanda Hagan.
 
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11:10 PM
@BESW Oh that is so damn precious and I love it
 

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