- 2018-01-12

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

2:11 AM

Greetings. GypsyStrangeweaver! :) < @GypsySpellweaver >

I losted my data. :(

Even a full 1+ hour recording of IoTA.SE only seconds or minutes after it came out.

OK, not really I have it on my YouTube Channel. :)

But a lot was lost.

But a lot was gain! <knowledge! I should of created a backup!>

I recreated the account and everything but, even though encryption has caused me all this trouble:

I AM STILL USING ENCRYPTION!!! :)

OK.

@GypsySpellweaver Did you got that?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Got that. Nothing wrong with using encryption, just use it responsibly.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I know.

Vote Early, Vote Often

Jeff Atwood on October 19, 2010

Have you ever wondered why the vote buttons and score are so prominent on every Stack Exchange question?

Putting voting front and center is very much intentional; it is how …

good content is voted to the top

wrong or incorrect content is voted to the bottom

users who consistently provide useful content accrue reputation and are granted more privileges on the site

It’s only through voting that a class of editors, closers, and moderators can emerge to help run and govern the site. Voting is how site leadership forms. That’s why the reputation leagues show a breakdown of reputation spectrums. …

Encrypt Early, Encrypt Often!

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

3:56 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Hi, again! :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

hello again to you too

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I am going to rebuild ParaUX.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 "Rebuild" as in start over, or "resurrect" as in finish what was started?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

yes

Gypsy Spellweaver

That was an "A or B" question, not a "Yes or No" question. ;P

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

3:59 AM

I have to start over.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Time for the news broadcast. BBL (~15 min)

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

OK.

I am listening to some horror stories while rebuilding ParaUX.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

4:25 AM

@D.Hutchinson Hi! :)

@GypsySpellweaver D.Hutchinson is scared of room #61165.

D.Hutchinson

Yes, @GypsySpellweaver :(

Hi @HenryWHHackv2.1.1 :)

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I have given him a 7 day token to this room.

for counselling.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Why would he not like an Awkward Silence. And how come it's being raised here?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

5 mins ago, by Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

for counselling.

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 free therapy - yay :)

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

4:39 AM

@GypsySpellweaver He was suspended there.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Oh. Suspensions stink. :(

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I got suspend from chat 3+ times and I am still not afraid to talk in the rooms I got suspended in.

D.Hutchinson

for being a bot, @HenryWHHackv2.1.1? that sucks :(

Gypsy Spellweaver

Later I'm going to have to thank a user for posting his question. It gave me a chance to do some bikeshedding that was also productive.

D.Hutchinson

@GypsySpellweaver are you also a bot?

Gypsy Spellweaver

4:42 AM

@D.Hutchinson Just on auto-pilot, but not a bot.

D.Hutchinson

@GypsySpellweaver I see

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 haha that's nice to not be afraid ...

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 free counseling - I'm totally coming here for 7 days straight

Gypsy Spellweaver

5:01 AM

@D.Hutchinson That's better than coming here twisted for 7 days. :)

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

5:36 AM

@GypsySpellweaver I am recreating ParaUX now. :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

Hope you get it the way you want it this time.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

It was all the same way everytime. :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

But have you ever "finished" it? Is it, or will it be, ready for distribution?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I am looking for ideas.

ParaUX Quiz:

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 how come you always say "Keeping it Alive!" or in the Law chat room, "I am the law!"

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

5:39 AM

What OS ParaUX is based on?

@D.Hutchinson Too keep it from freezing.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Kubuntu -> Ubuntu -> Debian

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 I see

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver Ubuntu.

What is the other name for ParaUX?

Gypsy Spellweaver

???

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 I'm heading into The Awkward Silence now, wearing my helmet. Wish me luck.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

5:40 AM

Yes.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@D.Hutchinson Best of luck.

D.Hutchinson

Thanks @GypsySpellweaver

Gypsy Spellweaver

@D.Hutchinson Should I watch?

D.Hutchinson

Nah, not necessary @GypsySpellweaver :)

Thanks :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Well, what's the answer?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

5:42 AM

HMCompDis or HMCD = Highly Modified Compiz Distribution

Gypsy Spellweaver

HMCD

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Who inspired me to create ParaUX?

Gypsy Spellweaver

I keep forgetting what that translates too

Kerbob

Or whatever it is.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver It's Kenorb.

LOL! :D

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 what do you think of this song: The stranger sang a theme
From someone else's dream
The leaves began to fall
And no-one spoke at all
But I can't seem to recall
When you came along
Ingenue

Ingenue
I just don't know what to do

The tree-lined avenue
Begins to fade from view
Drowning past regrets
In tea and cigarettes
But I can't seem to forget
When you came along
Ingenue

Gypsy Spellweaver

5:52 AM

@D.Hutchinson I know nothing about it. Until the tea and cigarettes line I was thinking it could have been from an Elven or Dwarven source. Now I suspect it's from a UK source - possibly Canadian or Auzzy.

D.Hutchinson

hmm @GypsySpellweaver it's a song from the soundtrack for a movie called "Great Expectations"

american movie, that is

Gypsy Spellweaver

@D.Hutchinson Which one? 1946, 1998, or 2012?

D.Hutchinson

1998

Gypsy Spellweaver

With a British base (Dickens) it would explain the "tea and cigarettes" line quite nicely.

So, how's it going in The Awkward Silence?

D.Hutchinson

@GypsySpellweaver I left there momentarily - that moderator is really mean. I'll head back in there later, when others are there :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:01 AM

Who's the mod in there now? Cat or Ash?

D.Hutchinson

Cat is the one I'm referring to ...

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

She suspended him.

Don't worry.

D.Hutchinson

haha @HenryWHHackv2.1.1

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Just don't do what you did next time.

D.Hutchinson

ok @HenryWHHackv2.1.1 :(

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:03 AM

I don't know about mean, but definitely rigid. But, it is_ the room for IPS, so that makes sense.

D.Hutchinson

Yeah, I guess, @GypsySpellweaver ...

Gypsy Spellweaver

I haven't been kicked out for it (yet), but I've had my share of discussions with her, and others as well.

I guess I just know when to duck and run and manage to avoid the suspension by the plaque on my teeth.

D.Hutchinson

Yeah @GypsySpellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 is amusing. He's brought up my suspension three times now :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

I do have some entrenched opinions that strike other people across the nose. I try to keep them in check. Sometimes, however, I decide that someone has to say something, and then elect myself to be the fool to say it/

@D.Hutchinson Maybe that's because you have topped his record. (Green eyes maybe?)

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Sorry.

D.Hutchinson

6:10 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 haha

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Shhh.

OK.

Gypsy Spellweaver

:42234362 Moderators aren't supposed to be helpful, they are human exception handlers.

D.Hutchinson

I see @GypsySpellweaver

hmm ... @GypsySpellweaver but what Cat did seems to me like more than exception handling ...

Gypsy Spellweaver

Wasn't there, don't know. Sometimes it's just putting out fires.

D.Hutchinson

and having a personal vendetta ... e.g. saying to me very rudely, "I, for one, am not your friend, so you can't give me a hug"

she took issue with me giving a hugs

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

6:14 AM

I will contact a higher up about this, I am good friends with one of the higher ups:

stackexchange.com/users/34933

My RC ♦ joke for today.

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 hahaha

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

It happens everyday.

D.Hutchinson

please don't @HenryWHHackv2.1.1 it's not necessary ...

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I won't.

@D.Hutchinson Too much hugs maybe?

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 apparently, yeah

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:17 AM

Some people aren't into zen hugs. It really is a cultural thing.

D.Hutchinson

yeah, apparently, @GypsySpellweaver

nice to know, I guess

Gypsy Spellweaver

Where in the wide world web do you hail from?

D.Hutchinson

I merely explained that that's how my female friends do their email sign-offs, with "hugs, Charlene", for instance. And, that's when Cat jumped in to say, "I, for one, am not your friend ..." @GypsySpellweaver

New York City @GypsySpellweaver

Manhattan, East Village :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

USA, and crowded.

D.Hutchinson

where plenty of fistbumps, handshakes, hugs, smiles are given daily ...

yeah haha

I also sometimes feel targeted in that room precisely because they know I'm a New Yorker ... but that's sort of overthinking it ...

(perhaps, I don't know ... )

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:21 AM

USA Westerners tend to be more selective on personal space, and often try to carry that into cyber space.

D.Hutchinson

interesting, @GypsySpellweaver

I see she's from Texas, she'd probably shoot me if I tried to hug her in person. Ugh ... scary thought ...

Gypsy Spellweaver

In the west, contact is more vocal and much less physical. More space available, so more to claim as personal space.

D.Hutchinson

I see @GypsySpellweaver

Gypsy Spellweaver

There upon lies one of the major challenges of the IPS site. A solution for you, and your culture, might not work so well for someone from New Mexico, and be totally worthless for an Asian culture.

D.Hutchinson

yeah @GypsySpellweaver

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:25 AM

Somehow, in a real-time chat, they try to make it work anyway. In other rooms that deal with less "personal" issues (as a matter of course) they can retreat to the cold technical/mathematical/scientific world that the site addresses, and avoid most personality issues.

On the IPS site, personality issues is the topic, so it's not so easy to bypass.

D.Hutchinson

Yeah @GypsySpellweaver

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver Do you want me to change that?

Just be a duck.

Not the same thing.

6:27 AM

OK.

D.Hutchinson

@GypsySpellweaver what does being a duck mean? Or, was that for Henry?

Gypsy Spellweaver

You've bounced me from here a few times for different tests.

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 do you mind if I eat my turkey sandwich?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@D.Hutchinson It's for you. A duck has natural oils on their skin. When you see them running their feathers through their bills, they are spreading that oil from their skin onto their feathers. That makes the water bead up and keeps them dry.

D.Hutchinson

I see @GypsySpellweaver

Gypsy Spellweaver

6:31 AM

So... It's not as simple as the idea that water rolls of the duck's back. Instead the duck has to restore the protection so that the feathers will do their job.

In the subject at hand, that's like thinking about how the other might have interpreted, or miss-interpreted, your messages, and reacted in a way you didn't expect. Try to avoid causing the same effect again, but still be able to say what you need to.

Mods, and even RO's, aren't always right, but they are still the ones with the buttons.

It's amazing what a mere Room owner can do, even without mod powers.

Feeds

Gypsy Spellweaver has removed Henry WH Hack v2.1.1 from the list of this room's owners.

Gypsy Spellweaver

See

And I have no rank on any site.

Feeds

Gypsy Spellweaver has added Henry WH Hack v2.1.1 to the list of this room's owners.

D.Hutchinson

haha @GypsySpellweaver I see

Gypsy Spellweaver

Of course, I'll probably pay for that little stunt.

D.Hutchinson

6:37 AM

how so? is @HenryWHHackv2.1.1 mad now?

Gypsy Spellweaver

No clue.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

WHO DARES REMOVE ME AS RO OF THE ROOM I CREATED!!!

Gypsy Spellweaver

@D.Hutchinson Any other questions?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Oh wait, I didn't create this room. :D

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 I was suspended by Cat, and she is not my friend. Two facts I learned in The Awkward Silence :(

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 hahahaha

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

6:38 AM

@GypsySpellweaver Yes. (Not really.)

D.Hutchinson

@GypsySpellweaver no :(

I'll put my helmet on and head back into The Awkward Silence

Thanks for the talk @GypsySpellweaver

Thanks @HenryWHHackv2.1.1

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@D.Hutchinson for?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@D.Hutchinson Always welcome

D.Hutchinson

For reminding me of my suspension @HenryWHHackv2.1.1 :)

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Oh.

@D.Hutchinson So, how was the service?

D.Hutchinson

6:42 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 it was great :)

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 the moderator, Cat, said that you and I were the "blind leading the blind"

anyway, bye

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@D.Hutchinson huh?

Do you want to revoke your token now.

D.Hutchinson

no @HenryWHHackv2.1.1

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

You don't need it anymore. But OK.

Who is Cat?

Gypsy Spellweaver

:42234703

Catija ♦, Austin, TX

8.5k 3 30 61

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Why say Cat?

5 mins ago, by D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 the moderator, Cat, said that you and I were the "blind leading the blind"

D.Hutchinson

6:49 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 because @GypsySpellweaver said "Cat"

so I just followed @GypsySpellweaver, @HenryWHHackv2.1.1

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver What does it mean?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 It means nothing. It is merely a hyperlink with an image and some text.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

No the underline quote: "@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 the moderator, Cat, said that you and I were the "blind leading the blind""

Gypsy Spellweaver

Don't know, I wasn't there at the time.

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 you should report it to your higher-up friend, Robert.

just kidding @HenryWHHackv2.1.1

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

6:52 AM

I have no idea what he means?

D.Hutchinson

I'm gonna eat my turkey sandwich and doritos ... yummm bye @HenryWHHackv2.1.1

Gypsy Spellweaver

@D.Hutchinson Crunchy Cheetos and Coffee sounds better.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

in trash, Jan 6 at 4:33, by Catija

@apaul Blind leading the blind.

@GypsySpellweaver I wonder if that's it?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Could be, not sure.

Now it's time for me to elect myself as a speaker and move into the silence and make it more awkward. And more noisy.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

If I change the room ID to 61165 to the same date as that transcript I will get:

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/61165/2018/1/6

The same day I meet D.Hutchinson.

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:03 AM

Interesting

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver I find that offensive in a way. true but offensive.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Is that a case of "The truth hurts" ?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Well, yeah.

I still don't know what she means.

@GypsySpellweaver I think you have someone else to counsel...

me.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Why?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

She, said something I don't like.

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:13 AM

46 mins ago, by Gypsy Spellweaver

Just be a duck.

Who knows. Maybe 30 seconds before that her son puked on her slippers, and she just wasn't feeling very "nice" at the moment.

Have you see what Gerber carrots look like on the second trip?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver I am very sensitive.

@GypsySpellweaver OK.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Creating possible explanations for the rotten things people do, to you or someone else, is good practice for developing empathy.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

My logic: If you have to say something to me say it directly and not in a way I don't know about.

Example:

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Please stop this is not the way you should behave.

How do I know she was telling me to stop?

BTW: I am having this feeling I get when I stay on a topic for too long.

It's a strange felling.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Then switch topics.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

OK, How is life?

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:24 AM

Are you a committer for the next beta site to launch?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Nope.

Stellar.SE?

Gypsy Spellweaver

I hear tell that it'll be a stellar launch

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

LOL!

Gypsy Spellweaver

Bad joke :)

14 days from proposal to full commitment. !!

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Yep.

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:26 AM

I am very amazed.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver But wait:

4

A: How quickly proposal can go into private beta?

According to this post from 2014, the current record holds the Craft CMS proposal which made to private beta in only 12 days. The second fastest site to go from initial proposal to private beta is Emacs proposal. Most of the quickest proposals achieving private beta are results of having establ...

Gypsy Spellweaver

I might have to come up with a question of two myself, just to see what happens

I don't think Stellar went through that re-proposal cycle. Did it?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Nope.

Gypsy Spellweaver

So this one is legit, a real fast-track.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Yeah.

859

Stellar

Proposed Q&A site for developers and users of Stellar and the Stellar Distributed Exchange.

Currently in commitment.

My account is still showing as one of the editors. :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:30 AM

I wonder if it had a redit, or other group, that moved to SE

It's no longer in commitment.

> A successful site needs people to commit to use it. This proposal is

100%
complete. Committed users will be invited to the private beta soon.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver Most cryptocurrency proposals make it to beta very fast.

Gypsy Spellweaver

I'm still not sure how it's going to work with so many different sites doing the same thing.

Somehow, to me, it feels like having a site for Perl, for Java, for C/C++, and for Haskel. Making SO a wasteland.

Of course, I know zilch about any of them, so they could be so different that they need to be isolated from each other. Like Apple, Windows, and Linux.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

But what I am going to start objecting to are folks who continually submit proposals without any attempt or means to actually build these sites. Area 51 is intended to support an engaged, enthusiast community with a desire to support their subject.... not to throw up random, unsupported ideas to see what sticks. — Robert Cartaino ♦ Jan 8 at 19:20

He is coming to his senses now. :)

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Do you suppose he's talking to Dernoncourt?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Nope.

Franck Dernoncourt, San Jose, CA, USA

13.9k 6 6

life target-audience

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:37 AM

Apparently Stellar had that "community" already.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I remember when the progress bar was barely before the "t" in the word "commit".

Now it's this far passed it.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Moving along

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Not far far but far.

PROGRESS!

Gypsy Spellweaver

Yipee!

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

That little space needs to be filled in.

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:43 AM

It will be.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

YES!

I have a rule, it goes like this: If you are saying something about the proposal going into beta don't say something like, "If <proposalname> goes into beta, XYZ" but "When <proposalname> goes into beta, XYZ"

I am trying to keep away negative energy.

Gypsy Spellweaver

That's a rather holistic view.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Well it's to:

2 mins ago, by Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I am trying to keep away negative energy.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Maybe you should have gone to Woodstock

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

?

Gypsy Spellweaver

7:49 AM

Woodstock

The Woodstock Music & Art Fair—informally, the Woodstock Festival or simply Woodstock— was a music festival in the United States in 1969 which attracted an audience of over 400,000. Scheduled for August 15–17 on a dairy farm in the Catskill Mountains of southern New York State, northwest of New York City, it ran over to Monday, August 18. Billed as "An Aquarian Exposition: 3 Days of Peace & Music", it was held at Max Yasgur's 600-acre (240 ha; 0.94 sq mi) dairy farm near the hamlet of White Lake in the town of Bethel. In Sullivan County, Bethel is 43 miles (70 km) southwest of the town of Woodstock...

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

OK.

Gypsy Spellweaver

People in the 60's were "into" the flow of "energy" and vibes.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

7:40 PM

No clue.

no.

Time for a break.

@D.Hutchinson How old are you?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

8:11 PM

I should of known!

I know.

You don't have to bring it up all the time.

It should be OK now.

I moved on.

D.Hutchinson

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 nice :)

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

10:59 PM

*GypsySpellweaver Do you know about: virustotal.com

Gypsy Spellweaver

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Nope. But I see what it is. Not a bad idea for Windows users for sure. I would not trust it myself without doing some serious checking into what they do.

I.e.: How old is their virus signature database, and how often updated?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver It's owned by Google. (One sign of trust.)

In Google we trust.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Google != trust. They are subject to the same governmental pressures as any other big company.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@GypsySpellweaver I know.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

11:49 PM

import trust
if google == trust():
    print "yes"
else:
    print "no"

Gypsy Spellweaver

no
I wish Google would institute a warrant canary program. I wish any and all sites that have that power and reach would do that.

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