Root Access

Bob

00:02

@bwDraco ah

@bwDraco actually. couple questions, if you don't mind: which celeron, how much did it cost, and how's it working out for you?

@allquixotic o/

CoderCat

can I type questions for cortana to give an answer out loud?

rather than just opening a website or app

I wanna try seeing if it has any easter eggs

i.e tricks

allquixotic

lifehacker.com/…

Bob

00:20

@allquixotic I'll be more or less free starting +5 hours from now and for the next day or two

allquixotic

@Bob I should still be up then, if you wanna Sins.

CoderCat

ah fixed it, bbl thanks

bwDraco

Jul 20 at 0:05, by bwDraco

Bifrons: Celeron N3350 (2C/2T Apollo Lake (Goldmont) @ 1.1-2.4 GHz). 2 GB LPDDR3, 64 GB eMMC.

Veerry slow after resuming and when multitasking, but that's expected. I knew what I was buying.

Was $230 on sale.

It does have a touchscreen, which is great when you don't have or can't use a mouse.

(though the plastic screen is a fingerprint magnet)

FML Cat

00:40

FML

bwDraco

Mostly still does what I expect it to, though.

FML Cat

@Bob I have many SAS cards. Not that exciting!

Bob

@bwDraco ah, the 2C model. I'm getting the previous gen 4C as a mini-server

@FMLCat well, SATA cards are generally shit, so

bwDraco

Busy cleaning up the machine after a recent update.

FML Cat

@Bob Meh, SATA is sufficiently commodity now it's hard to go wrong...

Unless you need/want special/advanced features

Bob

00:47

@FMLCat does "have more than 4 ports without a dodgy port multiplier" count?

FML Cat

@Bob Enterprise SATA controller? :-P

Nah, even they suck.

Bob

@FMLCat yea but then that ends up costing more than a second-hand SAS HBA :P

FML Cat

Yeah I use a bunch of old-ish SAS HBAs for my SATA drives in my ZFS box

Bob

the M1015 goes for like 60AUD

bwDraco

But decent SAS cards aren't expensive, especially if you don't need hardware RAID, just an HBA. The Broadcom (formerly LSI, Avago) SAS 9300-8i offers eight SAS 12Gbps ports for less than $250. The older 9207-8i, which does SAS 6Gbps, is less than $100.

FML Cat

00:48

Oh yeah, mine is a non-rebadged one of those

And I had an HP rebadged one that I just reflashed back to stock LSI

And it supports SR-IOV, I think

Bob

@FMLCat Yea, the only reason I haven't gone and bought one yet is the number of PCIe lanes

bwDraco

SAS implementations must support SATA, in any case, so you'll be able to use regular, off-the-shelf hard drives and still get some of the benefits of SAS.

Bob

kinda considering the Adaptec 6405E (iirc @allquixotic used to use one?)

that's only x1, so should be easy

the LSI cards are mostly x8, so I'd need to ... ah, adjust the card, probably

or put the GPU on x8 I guess

I suppose I could also do x4...

too bad they're mostly PCIe 2.0, not 3.0

@bwDraco I'm not planning anything particularly fancy anyway, I just want to replace this shoddy Marvell-based SATA card

@FMLCat Do you flash yours into IT mode?

FML Cat

@Bob Yes

Bob

cool. I'll probably do that too, save some startup time

FML Cat

01:00

@Bob I specifically chose my server mainboard because of the PCIe lane and socket layout

In my case has two 16x slots and a 4x open-ended slot so it can take 3 8x cards easily

(Or a GPU and two 8x cards)

PCIe 2.0 is basically the only real drawback but I still managed over 2GB/sec sustained throughput with my two cards (maybe over 3GB/sec, can't be sure)

Bob

@FMLCat Do you have any idea if TRIM works?

FML Cat

@Bob In IT mode it should do, but I'm not totally sure. My SSDs are hooked up to the onboard SATA ports anyway

Bob

@FMLCat Yea, on x1 I'd be limited to 500 MB/s supposedly, but that should be fine... probably just gonna chuck the HDDs on there

@FMLCat SSDs on the mobo is the plan but just curious in case I come across a dozen SSDs for cheap later :P

allquixotic

@Bob Yep, I used the 6405E.

Bob

Most people only talk about TRIM & RAID, which is another matter entirely

@FMLCat I suppose I could always hook it up and run trimcheck

allquixotic

01:04

I would recommend the better-compatible 7 and 8-series cards, but the MicroSemi/Adaptec newer series RAID cards are generally only higher-end

there isn't really an 8-series "8405E"

FML Cat

@Bob My server's in a storage unit and hasn't been run for nearly a year and a half

But I see no reason why it wouldn't work. All the other native SATA functionality works fine, it's just a passthrough HBA after all.

Bob

@allquixotic I'm looking for something basic I can picku p second-hand for <$100 :P

FML Cat

It's just an advanced SATA controller at the end of the day when it's in IT mode with SATA drives.

Bob

The 8-channel LSIs look to be the better choice, longer PCIe connector aside

and I can always take a hacksaw to the connector

turn it into a x1

FML Cat

All my mainboards have SLI slot layouts (even the server ones) so I've never had an issue :-P

@Bob Personally I've preferred slicing off the end of an x1 slot to make it open-ended

Bob

01:07

@FMLCat presumably it still lets you connect SAS drives, though, which'll be good for my maybe-tape-drive plans and bad for my wallet :P

@FMLCat my motherboard costs more than the card :P

maybe just pick up one of those x1 to x16 risers

FML Cat

Had a really old AMD board once with two 16x SLI slots and a few 1x slots. I had to put 3 1st-gen LSI 8-port cards in it and melted off the end of the slot

Journeyman Geek

o0

Bob

@FMLCat yea, technically I have three x16 slots but to use one of them I'd have to put the GPU on x8 (which would be perfectly fine but I don't wanna :( ), and the other one requires disabling one of the x1s to operate in x4, otherwise it's in x2

FML Cat

My second-gen box had 3x 16x slots and a 4x anyway, but eventually I upgraded to a 16-port plus an 8-port 2nd-gen LSI-SAS HBA instead of the 3x8 1st-gen ones

Bob

hm. probably just use it in x2 for now and maybe move it later

FML Cat

01:09

@Bob Meh, the difference for GPU performance is non-existent.

Bob

@FMLCat yea, hence "perfectly fine" :P

IIRC you have to go down to 3.0 x4 before you'd notice a difference

and even then it's like 5%

FML Cat

My server board is a E3 series one so the slots operate in 16x, 8x+8x, or 8x+4x+4x. Since there's only 16 CPU lanes to begin with

Bob

@FMLCat no expanders?

FML Cat

I run it in 8x+4x for the 16x and 8x SAS cards respectively, and leaving the other 4x slot free for if/when I eventually become non-homeless and non-jobless and find a need for a 10GbE HBA

@Bob Don't see the point. They're expensive, mostly require a second chassis, and aren't exactly fast.

Adding another 8x HBA would be cheaper

Bob

o.O

FML Cat

01:11

It's a 24-bay chassis, I've got 24x 3.5" drives, and a few SSDs and the mainboard has 6x onboard ports anyway

Bob

@FMLCat and here I am looking at 24-port expanders for $30

FML Cat

If I wanted to add another 32 drives or something maybe

@Bob Either things have changed a lot in the last 3 years or that is a cheap ass piece of shit that'll sooner catch fire than expand

Bob

that can just sit in a PCIe slot too

FML Cat

Probably the former >_>

Bob

@FMLCat it's HP so possibly the latter :P

FML Cat

01:12

My last SATA port multiplier actually did catch fire, that's when I stopped using them. SAS expanders are a different animal entirely

The 2nd gen LSI HBAs supposedly operate in 6Gb/s for SAS and 3Gb/s for SATA

allquixotic

@Bob too bad I already sold my 6405E on eBay

I'd have sent it to you for the cost of shipping

Bob

@FMLCat well, SAS expanders seem to be generally well-supported equipment

SATA port multipliers are like the red-headed stepchild of storage interfaces

3

@allquixotic that probably would've cost more than this one on ebay au :P

probably going for one of the LSI boards anyway

@FMLCat huh. The ones I'm looking at, no idea which gen, claim 6Gbps for SATA

@FMLCat The HP expanders, OTOH, only do 3Gbps SATA

FML Cat

Don't the cables alone cost like, $50?

Bob

@FMLCat uhhhhh

FML Cat

@Bob the mythical frame based switching ones seem to be OK

Bob

01:18

@FMLCat looks like you can get SFF-8087 cables for ~$10 on Amazon

and SFF-8087 to 4x SATA breakout cables for about the same

allquixotic

@Bob I've been considering whether I should switch to LSI. I'm curious if LSI (or any other RAID controller manufacturer that can do RAID10 and Flash/BBU and tiered storage like MaxCache) can boot up faster than Adaptec.

"Booting the controller kernel..." takes like 45 seconds -_- the slowest part of my boot sequence

FML Cat

@Bob bleh. I had to pay £40 or so for mine.

Man those things got cheap, maybe cause 12Gb/s SAS became all the rage and 6Gb/s stuff became obsolete

allquixotic

it's just two HDDs and 4 SSDs so I don't know why it has to be so slow

FML Cat

@allquixotic no

Bob

@allquixotic I'm planning to flash this one into IT mode, which should be near-instant boot (apparently you can flash without the bios rom too) but that means no RAID support

FML Cat

01:20

Well, the LSI ones do boot faster than Adaptec but not by much.

Dunno about yours but ours had a built in Ethernet port, Web server, and remote management services.

@Bob I wouldn't call it instant. On par with a generic SATA card I'd say, 3-5 seconds per HBA

Bob

@FMLCat that's in the last 5 years or so, yea?

FML Cat

If they all run the exact same firmware version then the latter ones get skipped

Bob

@FMLCat is that with or without the BIOS option ROM?

FML Cat

@Bob part of the original spec but I've never found anyone that actually implemented it

Bob

@FMLCat looking at the kernel.org list apparently Intel PCHs support it

FML Cat

01:22

@Bob with

@Bob except they don't

Bob

@FMLCat apparently without is faster, but obviously idk how much until I actually get one

@FMLCat o.O

allquixotic

I really wish Microsoft would shit or get off the pot when it comes to ReFS. It's supposed to be the replacement for NTFS like APFS is for HFS+, but they keep having so many limitations and caveats for it even in the latest builds. I want bootable ReFS volumes with robust softraid support already, come on guys.

FML Cat

@Bob my server has a server main board which isn't the fastest thing in the world anyway. Plus 3 seconds more to boot an actual server is negligible when it's rebooted once every 3 months

@Bob I tried.

Bob

@FMLCat something about motherboard support being required too -_-

FML Cat

Anyway, must sleep. Have homeless moving to do and a shrink to see before 10am tomorrow

@Bob so basically a lottery (you always lose)

Bob

01:25

@FMLCat I basically drifted over to the SAS route after looking at SPMs yesterday and finding out how unlikely they were to even be supported, and then seeing how cheap the SAS HBAs were :P

@FMLCat 'night

FML Cat

As with all such optional features, 90% of OEMs don't implement it, have a broken implementation, or haven't even heard of it. The other 10% that implement it do so in an undocumented manner

Bob

@allquixotic I just want ZFS on Windows :P

which is actually looking more and more likely at this point

@FMLCat and don't advertise it even if they do implement it

FML Cat

@Bob I'd have probably ported it myself if I were less dumb, lazy, and homeless.

bwDraco

@Bob amazon.com/StarTech-com-Internal-Serial-Attached-Cable/dp/…

I am no expert on enterprise storage.

(unlike @allq, who has a datacenter SAS RAID card in his gaming desktop)

allquixotic

@Bob that would be awesome

Bob

01:28

@bwDraco uhhhhh why?

allquixotic

@bwDraco the 81605ZQ isn't really like a super datacenter-y thing; it's got a maximum of 16 attached storage devices, sure, and it has a flash write cache, sure, but... it doesn't have one of those enterprisey backplanes

yanno what I mean? those enormous cabinets on wheels that can have like 180 HDDs in them with this monstruous logic board behind them that's bigger than an EATX motherboard

that's serious storage iron, and I don't have that

Bob

@allquixotic if it's SAS then it almost certainly supports an expander and can probably go up to 256

most backplanes are just an integrated expander and a bunch of sockets anyway

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic rofl. Worked on those

Bob

@allquixotic you have the HBA that sits behind it :P

allquixotic

@Bob the cables I bought are the SFF (I think 8482?) but they output to SATA, so maybe just different cables would have SAS?

Journeyman Geek

01:31

they're actually redicilously simple

those bigass SAS external connectors, a few drawers, massive power supply... and the logic boards arn't that big

bwDraco

@Bob By design, these cables will fit both SATA and SAS drives.

Bob

@allquixotic they're electrically compatible, iirc, so it just depends what you plug them into

Journeyman Geek

iirc you can plug a SAS cable into SATA drives but not the other way around

Bob

@bwDraco ...yea? I mean, why'd you link that as a response to me? :D

Journeyman Geek

or was it the other way around...

SAS drives have no gap...

Bob

01:32

cause the pure SATA breakouts are much cheaper ($10)

and generally you don't need the second port unless you actually had SAS drives and a second HBA

@JourneymanGeek you can do it both ways

but you can't plug a SAS cable into a SATA controller port

Journeyman Geek

@Bob pretty sure SAS drives didn't have a gap between power and Data

bwDraco

I thought you were getting a SAS HBA?

Bob

@bwDraco yea, but I'm not planning to put SAS drives in it anytime soon, and even if I were I'd probably go for the cheaper SATA cables since I don't need the second (redundant) data connection

> • Supports up to 256 SAS or SATA devices using SAS expanders

on your card's specs

@JourneymanGeek they don't, but that area is just for the second port, which isn't used

well, not used unless you need it

(IIRC anyway)

CoderCat

I have a computer science question

however it is also sort of a math question maybe

bwDraco

I never really felt the need for enterprise-style storage configurations. I just want fast, hassle-free storage. I don't need more than 1-2 TB of storage internally.

Bob

01:43

@FMLCat Actually, maybe the M1215 is a better idea. It's newer, does PCIe 3.0, and 12Gbps SAS (not that I'll ever need that...)

and it goes for $110 :D

bwDraco

If anything, I might as well just get a NAS appliance instead, and consumer NAS appliances aren't that expensive these days.

FML Cat

@Bob the port's incompatible with SATA connectors though. The inside edge of the power/data connectors have nowhere to go

@Bob 12G SAS is dead in the water anyway

Bob

@FMLCat oh, I forgot about that. suppose you could hack the connectors open, but that's a bit dodgy

hm, the M1215 is still a bit hard to find at the lower prices in AU

@FMLCat hm? how so?

FML Cat

@Bob the only use for it is expanders. Anything else that needs >6Gbps is better off on PCIe.

PCIe back planes and U.2 has far overtaken SAS 12G for performance storage.

There's absolutely no case for 12Gbps interfaces on spinning rust.

CoderCat

maybe Ill ask later

allquixotic

01:50

@CoderCat don't ask to ask; just ask

Bob

@FMLCat ahh

CoderCat

is there a way to make building instructions using a text format, I have tried it for months but the problem is it is almost impossible to represent part rotations and the entire building axis using characters

FML Cat

U.2 being the enterprise version of SATA Express, aka native PCIe over a SAS connector.

CoderCat

I just used ascii symbols to best represent different parts, there is no graphics but that way its much faster to build

problem is text is 2D unlike 3d graphics

Bob

@FMLCat TIL about U.2

heard of it but never really looked it up before now

FML Cat

01:55

40Gbps PCIe > 12Gbps SAS

Journeyman Geek

@FMLCat apparently there's 'consumer'/HEDT systems with those

FML Cat

@Bob I guess I'm more.... Enterprising?

Urgh my room stinks of piss.

Journeyman Geek

(though I'm pretty doubtful I can walk into SLS and...)

CoderCat

:o

Journeyman Geek

@FMLCat 0_0

FML Cat

01:56

@JourneymanGeek its PCIe... Most systems have PCIe.

Journeyman Geek

on one hand, dude, TMI. On the other hand, cat joke. On the gripping hand, maaaan, that sucks.

FML Cat

It's just a connector for PCIe that sits on enterprise SSDs

@JourneymanGeek yeah, can't sleep because of the smell.

Bob

s/hand/paw/g

Journeyman Geek

@FMLCat true, but for most folks spending those PCIe lanes and board space and design time isn't worth it?

@Bob specific joke ;p

Bob

@FMLCat would an air freshener help?

FML Cat

01:57

@JourneymanGeek chuck a passive adapter into an M.2 slot. That's what ASUS does...

@Bob not being in a homeless dump would help. FML.

Journeyman Geek

@FMLCat .... makes a ton of sense

@FMLCat if its a hard surface diet coke helps...

Bob

@FMLCat :(

FML Cat

@JourneymanGeek I don't know where it's coming from but I'm guessing the carpet.

Journeyman Geek

(Someone in my family uses my loo and dosen't flush half the time ... stuff also does a fantastic job cleaning floors)

@FMLCat uhhhh

I know how to clean that too ._.

FML Cat

There's also an 11pm curfew so I can't go out and buy air freshener or diet coke even if I wanted to.

Journeyman Geek

01:59

there's specific stuff for that, but at a pinch a bunch of baking powder helps. Also looks like someone sneezed while snoring cocaine.

FML Cat

Again, FML

I'm guessing the previous resident of this room got kicked out for ~~being a dog~~ urinating on the floor or something

Us cats, we're clean animals and use litter boxes.

Journeyman Geek

speaking of cats...

FML Cat

Journeyman Geek

the really old cat that lives in my building keeps turning up outside my apartment ._.

FML Cat

"Hyper kit"

Journeyman Geek

02:04

now I'm curious if you can find something like that on aliexpress.

FML Cat

But it wouldn't be hyper

Journeyman Geek

yup

its a thing

FML Cat

@JourneymanGeek so let it adopt you?

Journeyman Geek

naw

she's her own cat. Probably grumpy fatty took over her turf cause blackie is sick.

but its strange to walk out the apartment, and find a cat 25 floors up, just sitting down catting

barlop

02:35

any idea how i can turn the webcam off on my laptop?+ the blue light is annoying

samsung np350v5c though maybe there's some standard way across laptops

hah it just went off inexplicably. be good to know how to put it off myself though

Bob

03:23

@barlop close whichever program that has it on. or ask the NSA nicely.

Journeyman Geek

03:51

tape ;p

there's special tape for that

CoderCat

04:01

might just try wget again

Boris_yo

04:14

Anyone else experiences high CPU usage when visiting this page?

Mine is spiking from 4% to 36%

How can you determine which element causes this?

Bob

Stack Exchange sites not only let you change your user name, but it need not even be unique. — Michael 2 days ago

@Michael It's great, isn't it? — Michael yesterday

Journeyman Geek

04:42

hm

allquixotic

15

Q: How to improve HVAC system to make upstairs rooms more comfortable?

My home was built in 1985 in the US with conventional HVAC design of that time. Wooden frame house. It has central air conditioning (ducted) and we upgraded to a natural gas furnace recently. We experience both hot and cold temperature extremes in summer and winter, as cold as 0 Fahrenheit and as...

hvac

wow, that's nearly HNQ status there

how do I even pick the best answer from all of that? that's like an encyclopedic compendium of great answers

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic as someone who lives in a tropical country....

oddly, I've never seen centralised AC ever

Even in office buildings, you have per room control

also, window units are junk ._. split units FTW

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek it's pretty standard here. Having per-room A/C units on the windowsill or similar is viewed as hackish and amateur and it's an eye sore

only apartments and hotels do that... freestanding homes are not meant to have that

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic we have one central compressor, and per room 'units'

so I can set it to, say 22, and my parents can complain how cold it is whenever they walk in.

and its not 'that' expensive - I think our setup's aboooout 3-4k?

Bob

@allquixotic split looks much better than window

Journeyman Geek

04:58

@Bob split needs a fair amount of piping though

which is why people go for window.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek naw. Usually straight through the wall

Journeyman Geek

@Bob erm

yeah, concrete...

;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh, double brick here

took a bit of drilling

Journeyman Geek

also in our case we needed a small water pump

Bob

o.O

Journeyman Geek

05:01

the compressor was a little far away from the toilet so it drains down to the pump, then up to roughly ceiling height, then into the toilet...

Bob

05:15

@JourneymanGeek we... uh... just pipe it down to the ground

Journeyman Geek

05:39

@Bob 25 stories up lol

that would be a lot of pipe

Bob

@JourneymanGeek got a gutter nearby? :P

Journeyman Geek

nope

and since there needs to be cold air into my room, made sense to stick some pipe in the same trunking for it

Bob

Harry Potter and the Portrait of What Looked Like a Large Pile of Ash

►

CoderCat

06:15

will chrome crash or freeze if I leave it overnight

im using an image crawler extentiom which saves the image to one web oage. I then periodically save and overwrite that page to my local storage

its currently on 32,000 images

i7, 16gb ram, fast fibre optic broadband

it simply cannot crash. that would be a disaster

Journeyman Geek

07:21

@CoderCat you probably should ask a question on the main site - actually talking about what you're trying to do. Some of these are super specific, and it'll help others with the same issue in future.

bwDraco

08:55

Jul 20 at 0:39, by bwDraco

The other part of the issue is that my bedroom faces west so it gets lots of heat from the sun, and that it traps heat and is inadequately cooled by the house's HVAC system. Part of the renovations involves replacing carpeting with hardwood flooring, which should alleviate these issues a bit as carpet tends to trap heat. My room will also be rearranged so that the bed doesn't block the only HVAC register in this room.

Exact. Same. Issue.

We're in a similar situation: Three-story Colonial home, my bedroom has a nasty tendency to accumulate heat. Oddly, the other rooms on the third floor, including the master bedroom, are less affected.

This happens even when I leave the door open and the computer is in sleep.

(of note is that the master bedroom has a vaulted ceiling)

Burgi

09:11

when you move out you'll be glad of the free heating that comes with PCs

bwDraco

Running the air handler for even a few minutes helps.

So I suspect it's a matter of having inadequate air movement.

Burgi

open a window?

bwDraco

The heat has to stay on (even if only at a low temperature like 62F) to prevent pipes from freezing.

Burgi

or flap your wings a bit

bwDraco

We've had nasty flooding incidents in our previous home caused by pipes bursting.

Burgi

09:14

well thats normal

is it a brick house?

do you have double glazing?

bwDraco

1980s construction, wood frame and drywall.

Burgi

what is drywall?

ah plaster

bwDraco

People often call it "Sheetrock". Basically gypsum sandwiched between sheets of paper.

Burgi

in the UK our houses are 99% made from stone or brick

bwDraco

There is a ceiling fan in this room, though.

allq:

> in one room I am dissipating about 750 to 1000 W regularly between a gaming desktop, monitor and several peripherals (router, many wall warts and USB devices, etc.)

Typical heavy gaming load power (e.g. Assassin's Creed Origins) for Astaroth is about 400W, with monitors and other devices outputting an extra 30-50W of heat.

The router is located on the second floor so that isn't a factor.

All windows, to the best of my knowledge, are double-glazed.

(I think code requires insulating windows)

Journeyman Geek

09:47

y'all have ?/\ roofs right?

not flat ones?

there's a super cunning trick they used with my building - they have a raised, "floating" ceiling with airspaces that makes the top floor livable

bwDraco

Yes, sloped roofs.

Journeyman Geek

whenever they need to replace it, I'm all "I'm melting"

only works on flat roofs tho

FML Cat

!! Caaaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

bwDraco

When I move out... I might choose a LEED-certified building, possibly even a Passivhaus.

FML Cat

09:49

!! Caaaaaat2

ChatBot John Cavil

@FMLCat That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: caaaaaaat2, caaaaaat, caaaaat2

FML Cat

!! caaaaaaat2

ChatBot John Cavil

FML Cat

FML

bwDraco

@FMLCat, just how desperate are you for attention? Posting multiple cat images when you enter the room can be disruptive, especially when there is an active conversation. I am on mobile right now and your cat images have pushed earlier messages off the screen.

Andy K

10:06

morning

let's say you have a large dbf file you want to turn into a csv file. Is there any software that can do that, please?

Journeyman Geek

10:33

@bwDraco meh

@AndyK SR.SE question material!

and if you have never used the site before, you might possibly get a hat

Andy K

@JourneymanGeek thanks

0

Q: open source large dbf file converter to csv

I'm looking for a software that can convert a large dbf file (1 Go) to a csv file. All the options I found are either paying or not working correctly. Thanks

document-converter csv file-converter

Journeyman Geek

did some small edits ;p

Andy K

@JourneymanGeek thanks JG

allquixotic

10:57

@Bob moddb.com/mods/enhanced-4x-mod/forum/thread/…

per that thread, there's an artifact you have to find to be able to use it

Bob

@allquixotic ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

allquixotic

crazy how long it's been around: that's a July 2012 thread and here it's almost 2018 :P

Bob

allquixotic

lol

Thanks for the headphone advice btw, I’ll tell you what Plantronics says when they reply

I have a feeling fortresses are way more useful against AI since the AI rarely concentrates their entire empire’s fleet into a single gravity well like I did

I had max research and max cap ships and nearly max light cruisers - the only thing I could have done to more efficiently kill it is pound it with Ogrovs

And it managed to heavily damage some of my cap ships and kill like 30 frigates

It had soooo many firing hardpoints too

Burgi

12:59

apparantly its hometime...

Andy K

hey Burgi

and everyone too

XKCD

13:22

They all made fun of Autometalogolex, but someday there will be a problem with Christmas that can only be solved if Santa somehow gets a serious headache, and then they'll see.

Andy K

16:00

cya

allquixotic

18:13

kb.netgear.com/000053181/R9000-Firmware-Version-1-0-2-52

I'm loathe to upgrade because I have excellent uptime and stability right now and I'll be really pissed if this new version of firmware breaks it. But security vulns, so yeah

I really don't have much of a choice

Mokubai

@allquixotic "Fixes some security vulnerability issues"

Canadian Luke

18:42

Anyone else getting automated password resets on sites, due to the latest email leaks?

djsmiley2k

Non.

djsmiley2k

19:12

which sits?

err sites

DavidPostill

@CanadianLuke What email leaks?

Canadian Luke

I had my Wealthsimple account reset, and now my Wordpress ones

Doesn't matter that I'm using unique passwords, or 2FA...

CoderCat

god damn it man! i.imgur.com/HXzaB9I.png

DavidPostill

@CanadianLuke Check haveibeenpwned.com ...

CoderCat

whats so hard about this task that makes every damn app or extention fail, all I want to do is crawl some images

at this rate, it would be quicker if I manually saved them all by right clicking each one. how stupid

DavidPostill

19:19

@CoderCat Why are you asking here? This is not your personal support channel. If you have a question, please ask it on the main site.

CoderCat

I have a feeling that will go down badly

Canadian Luke

@CoderCat What kind of images?

@DavidPostill Yea, I check it regularly and I'm signed up for alerts

CoderCat

just jpegs

Canadian Luke

What kind of names?

CoderCat

0.jpg mostly, sometimes 300x300.jpg or 600x600.jpg

DavidPostill

19:23

@CanadianLuke Please don't feed the vampires - they will suck you dry ;)

CoderCat

im a vegan vampire

I let it run overnight but it only got like 100 images, the rest are those icons in the screenshot which means it did not work

Canadian Luke

If they were all in a patterned order, then I could have solved that for you, and got some SU rep...

djsmiley2k

@CanadianLuke unique passwords don't matter if someone's attacking the hacked service

if you've got 2FA you're techinically still secure, but it makes sense to reset it...

I tried to help last night

but you're not helping me help you

if they are all on one page

then just save the page in chrome or firefox :D

allquixotic

19:39

@Mokubai meaning there are still others they know about but haven't fixed? :P

CoderCat

there in different pages

which are all linked at least once

DavidPostill

@CoderCat You have already been told to ask on the main site. Please do so and stop asking here.

djsmiley2k

@bwDraco you'll chyoose what you can afford XD

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k Please don't feed the vampires - they will suck you dry ;)

djsmiley2k

rofl

I wasn't helping as such, but pointing out a lack of info makes an impasse

CoderCat

19:45

bbl

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k Exactly. Which is why I'm pushing hard for a question on the main site, instead of wasting everybody's time in chat.

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