8:39 AM
@Secret Not quite correct. It is countable only from the meta-system perspective if we only consider definable objects to exist. Which is fine, really, just like Z has a 'simple' model if consistent, since you can add a constant for N and add set-builder notation, and then all the terms will actually refer to some definable object, so modulo provable equality will give a model of Z. Internally, it does (predicatively) know that there is no list of all ordinals.
Wait I must be more precise. We can (predicatively) determine that there is no (countable) list of all well-orderings. After all, we know that func(N,bool) is uncountable, and if you split N into pairs (0,1),(2,3),(4,5),... then you can construct one well-ordering for each choice of pairs to be swapped. So there are uncountably many well-orderings.
However, if you mean the equivalence classes of well-orderings under isomorphism, then you have a problem even constructing that because you can't assume (without LEM) that any two well-orderings are either isomorphic or not. However, isomorphism is still a pseudo equivalence relation on well-orderings in the sense that you only lack total ordering. So you still can go ahead and construct the type WO = { { (T,◁) : (S,<) is isomorphic to (T,◁) } : (S,<) is a well-order }.
9:08 AM
A third alternative you may have been referring to is the set ORD of von Neumann ordinals. If you construct ORD as the type { S : S is well-ordered under ∈ }, if I'm not wrong you will be unable to prove that ORD is totally ordered by ∈.
Because as discussed before we can't construct the canonical ordinal for an arbitrary well-ordering. Even the canonical ω seems unconstructible.
Wait my last sentence is not necessarily true. If you allow defining partial functions on the universe, you could define succ = ( type S ↦ S union {S} ), and then f = ( N n ↦ if n = 0 then {} else succ(f(n−1)) ) and then ω = { f(n) : n∈N }. The resulting ω that you get may not be as useful as you think.
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