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19:05
@AkivaWeinberger what is the root?
d-b-r
(b=v)
and what is the double yod there for?
Plural possessive suffix
I always see double yod and I don't know what they are for
like in the middle of a name or something
oh, k- is a prefix!
Yeah, you had it right before
19:08
how does a double yod become "ai"?
I dunno it just does
@AkivaWeinberger I mean, I also see it in other contexts
like an abbreviation or something
I suppose you'd want to write "ayy" to be closer to the original spelling
@LeakyNun There's also the gershayim symbol which looks like two yods
דבריי \ דְּבָרַי
This is interesting
The version with niqqud features a single yod
It means abbreviation
Like צה״ל is a three-letter acronym
19:10
interesting
You place it before the last letter to indicate abbreviation
how convenient that the name also has a double yod
גרשיים
Yeah
But that's not גרש״ם so it's not an acronym
״ vs יי
It's interesting that you have both d-b-r and '-m-r
Same in English, to talk and to say
There's also h-g-d which is to speak
19:13
@AkivaWeinberger hey you've adopted the triliteral notation :P
I think Spanish only has decir and hablar though
@AkivaWeinberger I found a contar
Oh yeah forgot about that
You "contar" a story
There's also parlar which I presume nobody uses
That sounds French
Strange conversation for a math chat
@AkivaWeinberger language has grammars, math has grammars :P
triliterals relate to abstractions
I want to learn Arabic some day
Honestly I want to learn all the languages
but that sounds hard
Maybe Balarka can teach me Bangla :P
s-n-k-r-n :o
@AkivaWeinberger is it really possible to recognize a word if I just give you the triconsonant root?
Maybe?
And some roots have multiple words
19:20
like?
S-p-r is the infamous example
To cut hair, to count, to tell a story
kh-n-t-r-sh :o
@AkivaWeinberger heh.
@LeakyNun ??
@AkivaWeinberger you can't recognize this word?
חִנְטְרֵשׁ‎
19:23
@LeakyNun Maybe if you were to write it in the actual Hebrew alphabet
Oh sorry there we go
Um no I don't recognize it hold on
> (slang) to write, say, or do stupid things
@AkivaWeinberger yes
@Secret that's interesting to check. However, these days I'm struggling hard to calculate some series by series manipulations rather than by using integrals. In this very moment it still seems very hard to do that, perhaps I miss something in the picture.
@AkivaWeinberger now there's (h-t-)p-l-r-t-t
@Waiting There are numerical methods on infinite series, but I am not very familar with the algorithms yet. Perhaps a numerical analysis on partial sums or portions of the series might give some idea on what special functions might be related to them or what is the most natural way to split them
@JasperLoy Hey! How is it going? I never think of comparisons, maybe at most in the sense What not to do to succeed!
19:27
@LeakyNun Where are you getting these from
Also which t?
and the good news is that numerical summation and integration is easier than numerical differentiation, opposite to the analytic case
@AkivaWeinberger wikipedia, of course
so there might be leads in that direction in finding out how they are decmposed
@AkivaWeinberger the last two are tet
@JasperLoy comparions with other people I see as a pure poison for success, just how to fail fast.
Just be like yourself, the version of you forged with extremely hard work and passion, and that's enough.
19:30
@LeakyNun Apparently it means to flirt. Are you looking up a list of Hebrew words with roots larger than three letters?
@AkivaWeinberger you can say so
And sinkren is to synchronize
@AkivaWeinberger (sidetrack) learning about Proto-Indo-European ablauts excites me
I forget what an ablaut is
Like, seeing how the ancestor of the language I'm speaking now followed a consonant-dominant system, just like Hebrew
@AkivaWeinberger I think you never touched it in the first place. You probably forgot what an umlaut is.
Tag -> Täglich (German)
@Secret These series (well, some alternating series) seem very hard to approach by other means. Actually they could be attacked with Polylogarithms, but the calculations are far from being any elegant, maybe long and tedious tasks.
@AkivaWeinberger that's the u with umlaut
Yes
Not to be confused with a diaresis
Our reconstructed Proto-Indo-European only had one vowel
(it is the hypothetical ancestor of the Indo-European languages including Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, German, and English)
19:33
@Waiting If they oscillate very rapidly and wildly, then I agree that it may be ill-formed for numerical treatments as it will be hard to prevent the error from blowing up quickly due to floating point arithmetic cancellations
@Secret The aim is to calculate them in closed-form which I already did that, but I'm not able to finish them by series manipulations only. I need to do more investigations.
@AkivaWeinberger I'll stop talking if you aren't interested
As usual it's just a matter of time until they fall down. Not sure how long it will take though. :-)
If it had not work for a very long time, there is a slim possibility that those series might happened to form a structure with some associated no-go theorem, often when that happens I will start to try to prove the no-go theorem and see if it is the case
we are knew of no-go theorems like the unsovability of quintics in radicals and nonelementary integrals and so on. I will nto be suprised if some infinite alternating series under the operation of series manipulation actualy form some ring like structure with its associated no-go theorems
though in either case it is still kinda suprising since alternating series tend to behave nicer than their non alternating counterparts
@Secret hmmm, I need to ponder more over this matter before issuing even an opinion. In general, turning integrals into series it is one of the best ways to go for a solution.
Intuition says it is possible to do them by series manipulations. Some mystery lies around those series which simply make them more attractive.
I'm fine with that.
19:43
@Waiting Every time you come to chat, I need to star your words because they are so meaningful.
@JasperLoy haha, OK. How is it going?
@Waiting I am still not feeling OK. =( Are you going to finish the book soon? Are you going to email me soon?
@JasperLoy Did you start working on some math? I'm involved in all kind of projects lately.
@Waiting Nope, I need to get well enough first. Anyway, I hope to see your book published very soon! =)
@JasperLoy Maybe it's already published. :-)
19:52
@Waiting Maybe you can email me and tell me the details? And we can share other secrets in email as well? =)
@JasperLoy I have to go now. Talk later. We go out to run.
@JasperLoy At the right time.
What is the definition of a singularity in complex analysis? My book only gives the definition of an ISOLATED singularity.
20:08
So I stumbled upon this curious limit problem, and I'm not quite sure how to prove it
We are given that $n$ is a natural number and $x$ is a real number as well as the following:
$$\lim_{n\to\infty}f(xn)=0\forall x>0$$
We wish to prove that
$$\lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)=0$$
There's no way that's true.
Maybe we also know $f$ is continuous, or something like that? @SimplyBeautifulArt
@AkivaWeinberger why not?
$\begin{cases}1,&x\in\Bbb Z+\sqrt 2\\0,&\rm otherwise\end{cases}$
@AkivaWeinberger nice
20:13
where $\Bbb Z+\sqrt2$ means $\{n+\sqrt 2:n\in\Bbb Z\}$
Hm, then there probably was a continuity requirement
Yup, continuity was required
If you take @Akiva's function and modify it so that it's always 0 and goes up to 1 in that points with a triangle of decresing basis does this result hold?
@AlessandroCodenotti I doubt it. You'll probably get numbers $x$ where the sequence $nx$ gets close to the spikes too quickly
Or are there numbers for which the limit of $f(xn)$ doesn't go to 0?
@AkivaWeinberger then decrease the width of the spikes even faster?
20:21
xD Just in advance, an analysis of this problem is found here and solving this may require the Baire category theorem
i.e. its supposed to be true
OH SHOOT
I wrote it completely wrong
The limits are supposed to go to $+\infty$
I was interpreting it as $+\infty$ anyway
$$\lim_{n\to\infty}f(nx)=+\infty\forall x>0\implies\lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)=+\infty$$
Ohh
Oh yeah that's completely different
Yeah, that makes a bit of a difference lol
Well if it's allowed to be discontinuous then $\begin{cases}0,&x\in\Bbb Z+\sqrt 2\\x,&\rm otherwise\end{cases}$ is a counterexample
A ramp with holes at $\Bbb Z+\sqrt 2$
20:24
@AkivaWeinberger nice
No, still continuous
20:39
I suppose $D_N:=\{x:f(x)\ge N\}$ is closed
I don't know if that helps or not
Should one use epsilon-delta?
Definitely, the question is how
20:50
Heyoo
Epsilon and delta too small for taking limits to infinity, you totally want like, $M$ and $N$ or so
2
:^)
We can apply epsilon and delta to the reciprocal
"For any $\epsilon$ there exists an $N$ such that for all $m,n>N$ we have $\frac1{f(m)}-\frac1{f(n)}<\epsilon$" is equivalent to saying the limit to infinity exists, right?
$\frac{1}{\infty} < \epsilon$ so that's suggestive
Guys I have to write an essay for colleges and I really have no idea about what
Theoretically something about me and math but beyond that I have no idea
I don't know why I'm writing that here
"What Eilenberg-Maclane space are you?"
20:54
lol
@AkivaWeinberger That's not epsilon-delta, that's epsilon-N
Meh. For any $\epsilon$ there exists a $\delta$ such that for all $m,n>\delta$...
(I kid, I kid!)
@AkivaWeinberger This is the vagest essay statement ever
One of the prompts is
> 6. Describe a topic, idea, or concept you find so engaging that it makes you lose all track of time. Why does it captivate you? What or who do you turn to when you want to learn more?
@AkivaWeinberger lmao
Wikipedia pages
20:58
So maybe that one
They're endlessly linked
creates a Wikipedia page that doesn't link anywhere
@AkivaWeinberger But $1/f(x)\to0\not\to f(x)\to+\infty$
@SimplyBeautifulArt Really? What would be a counterexample?
@AkivaWeinberger I mean, you could have $f(x)\to-\infty$
21:00
Speaking of Wikipedia, I still love their super-detailed description of robot control
That question is likely about a continuous function from the positive reals to the positive reals, no?
@AkivaWeinberger I'm kinda in the same boat. One of my prompts: Tell us about a concept, theory, or topic you have explored simply because it sparked your intellectual curiosity. Why do you find it intriguing? How do you want to further explore it?
If not, apply $\max\{f,1\}$ anyway @SteamyRoot
@SteamyRoot $\mathbb R^+\to\mathbb R$
But we can assume it's a positive function because if not we can apply the proof to $\max\{f,1\}$, right?
21:14
Let $\alpha \in \mathbb{R}$\ $\mathbb{Q}$, and we denote $a_n=\{n\alpha\}$, where $\{x\}$ is the fractional part of $x$. Calculate $$\lim_{n\to\infty} (a_2-a_1)(a_3-a_2)\cdots (a_{n+1}-a_n)$$
aha ...
Oh deary me lol
$$\prod_{k=1}^\infty(\{(k+1)\alpha\}-\{ k\alpha\})$$
Anyway, you'll just want to apply BCT to $C_N = \cap_{n \geq N} \{ x | f(nx) > M\}$ I guess.
Can't be bothered to work it out
 
2 hours later…
23:42
Hello @AkivaWeinberger I can't sleep.
Oh no :(
Maybe eat something
(or use the restroom if you need to)
How did you draw your ball?
@JasperLoy I asked someone to do it for me
@AkivaWeinberger LOL!
(I'm credited as "Naomi Weinberger" because my Google+ account is under my mom's name for some reason)
@JasperLoy
23:52
I see.
@JasperLoy Here's a puzzle
You know the classic puzzle about taking a chessboard, cutting off two opposite corner squares, and trying to tile the remaining 62 squares with dominoes?
Nope. I know no puzzles.

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