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2:47 AM
@Mitch Yeah, and nostalgia isn't what it used to be, either.
 
@Robusto Did you listen to the doctor's video of today about GoT episode 3?
He's now done one for each of the first three episodes.
> Records, kept by a merchant from Catham street, New York, show George Washington spending approximately $200 on ice cream in the summer of 1790.
You know, that was probably a lot of money back then. I'm sure it more than I spend on it in a year even today.
This is unsettling in oh-so-many ways: Everybody lies: how Google search reveals our darkest secrets.
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6:43 AM
@tchrist I'm not sure how to convert that into an amount of ice-cream that was actually eaten. On the one hand, I can't imagine making ice cream would be very easy prior to the advent of refrigeration, so much of that cost may have simply have gone into the production. On the other hand we also need to adjust for inflation, and $200 in 1790s money is much more valuable than the same amount in today's.
 
 
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8:44 AM
morning
 
morning
 
@M.A.R. Hi, my native language is Arabic :)
 
 
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12:39 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: Usage of "ain't" in formal conversation by black hood on english.SE
 
12:57 PM
> Get your weekly insect digest!
I don't think they thought that one all the way through.
I’m so hypohellenic I can't even figure out what a Τεττιγονίον is.
 
@tchrist It's Latin. It means those with mammary glands on their reproductive organs.
 
If an acheta is a male cicada, what the heck do we call a female cicada?
@terdon Really?
Oh God, you're right.
My mind must simply have rebelled against going there.
 
I hope it means head, and not mammary glands though.
 
> The scientific name "Tettigoniidae" is derived from the genus Tettigonia, first described by Carl Linnaeus in 1748. Latin tettigonia means leafhopper; it is from Greek tettigonion, the diminutive of the imitative (onomatopoeic) τέττιξ, tettix, cicada.
I think teta and testa (whence tête) had only one T ever.
On tetas....
> Perhaps an expressive formation or from Germanic *titta, cf. also Ancient Greek τίτθη (títthē). Compare Portuguese teta, French tette.
Well, maybe two T's sometimes.
pezón, ok let's chase a different rabbit
 
1:13 PM
Is anyone here native? Is saying "I'm a Japanese person" natural? Is it more natural to say "I'm Japanese?"
 
@key_asdfg Use the second. The first sounds funny, and would require some complicated sort of surrounding context for it to come off as otherwise.
The nationality/language terms ending in -ese can be both adjectives and nouns, but are normally avoided as singular nouns.
So "I am Japanese" but "A Japanese lady".
 
@tchrist Huh, so Greek it is. Interestingly, the modern Greek term for cicada is tzitziki (τζιτζίκι), equally onomatopoeic yet a different word.
 
A Japanese person would say that they are Japanese.
Maybe the noun forms are in general avoided, hm.
Some Americans, some Mexicans, some Frenchmen, some Spaniards, some Koreans — but not usually some Chinese, some Japanese, some Vietnamese.
I think it's because words ending in unstressed /iz/ resist inflection.
> Abruzzese [n. and adj.]
Acehnese [n. and adj.]
Alfurese [adj.] ← Alfur
Annamese [adj.]
Aragonese [adj.]
Arakanese [adj.]
Assamese [adj.]
Balinese [adj.]
Bengalese [adj.]
Bernese [adj.]
‖ Bolognese [adj.]
Browningese [adj.] ← Browningesque
Burmese [adj.]
Cantonese [adj.]
Carrollese [adj. n.]
Cassinese [adj.]
Ceylonese [adj.]
Chinese [adj.]
Cingalese [adj.]
Congoese [adj.]
Congolese [adj.]
Cremoˈnese [adj.] ← Cremona
Faroese [adj.]
† Friese [adj.]
Genevese [adj.]
Genoese [adj.]
Genovese [adj.]
Gilbertese [adj.]
But Bolognese is pronounced as the original, so ends is /eze/.
 
1:28 PM
@tchrist I wonder if it is also because some Chinese, some Japanese, some Vietnamese would make one think of food instead of people.
 
You wouldn't say "Some French are ok" either.
Nor "Oh, I think he's a French."
But a Russian and some Russians both work fine.
 
True.
And yet "Some British are OK" but not "Oh, I think he's a British".
Hmm. Come to think of it maybe neither works.
I'd probably use Brit[s] for both.
 
Some Britons are ok.
As a Briton once remarked.
The homophone can be annoying in speech.
 
1:50 PM
I wonder whether fierily and virally can ever be homophones.
 
2:00 PM
Does anyone pronounce F like V?
 
2:12 PM
Maybe it might devoice if the preceding consonant in the phrase was an unvoiced one? I dunno.
 
@tchrist No lo he mirado todavía.
 
Pues talvez deberías.
 
Pero la nueva temporada comienza pronto, ¿no?
 
Sí.
Queda bastante interesante todo lo que dice, pero además vale la pena acostumbrarte el oído a su acento.
 
@tchrist Tengo la intención.
 
2:22 PM
And he makes me laugh now and then.
If he says anything you don't understand, you can always ask me or terdon what it was.
 
@Sayros nice
 
Sometimes he uses a bit of local slang, for example.
I have friends fleeing New Mexico later this week, coming up here. Not that I expect it will be all that much cooler, but one of their kids has a summercamp thing at Rocky Mountain National Park.
Well, Estes Park. Same thing.
Meanwhile, the story of the 19yo who awoke to a bear chowing on his head a few miles from me up in Boulder County has hit the national news.
Code review time for me now.
 
@tchrist Will do, thanks.
@tchrist Yep, I saw that this morning. That's one wake-up call you don't ignore.
Black bear, I presume? The article I read wasn't specific.
 
Yes.
We only have Ursus americanus here, whatever their color.
 
> “About 4 this morning, I woke up to a crunching sound and me being drug. And I thought it was a dream at first, then I realized it wasn’t,” Dylan said.
"drug"?
Is that a thing or just a mistake?
 
2:35 PM
@terdon Read dragged there.
Common rural colloquialism.
 
@Robusto Yes, I did. I was just wondering if that's a new trend.
@Robusto Ah, so it is a trend.
 
Pretty old.
 
Fair enough. But not a typo. It's something that exists in certain dialects.
 
Substituting an irregular participle for a regular one has long been a feature of certain dialects, mostly southern/rural.
 
Huh. Interesting.
 
2:37 PM
Before I was born, some baseball announcer, a retired player, was treated to a national news smirk when he said a certain player "shoulda slud into third."
 
Kinda like the BrE I'm sat here, I guess.
 
Past tense of slide was slud for him.
 
I believe "have drug" for "have dragged" has substantial currency in various dialects other than standard English.
 
dig/dug yields drag/drug, slide/slud, and all sorts of other examples.
 
Huh. Interesting.
Kinda like the BrE I'm sat here, I guess.
 
2:39 PM
Dunno that one, actually.
 
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Q: In which regional dialects is "I'm sat" common?

terdonI had always associated the construct I'm sat here (as opposed to I'm sitting here) with the north of England. I know I've heard it from people with Yorkshire or Manchester accents, for example. Yet, I was recently speaking with a couple of Londoners, one of whom used it and the other stated it s...

Oh. That's mine.
As is this one:
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Q: Is there any difference between "I'm sat" and "I'm sitting"?

terdonIn BrE, one can apparently use I'm sat here to mean I'm sitting here. This seems to be a relatively modern usage: I had originally thought that this was a regional or dialectical variant and had asked a question about this, but the discussion in the comments and the fact that I found many occu...

 
@terdon Hah. Glad I'm not the only one who forgets questions I've answered ...
 
Answered, heck, I asked it! That's even worse :)
But yes, I've had the trying to upvote and being told I can't upvote my own posts moment often enough.
On the tech sites though.
 
Getting back to bear attacks:

Back in my youth I went on a lengthy hike in Jasper National Park in Canada. The ranger who set us up gave us the warning about bears. He handed us cans of pepper spray and little bells to put on our packs, which would alert bears in the area to our presence.
He also told us we needed to be alert to bear sign.
What's bear sign? we asked
Mostly be aware of bear scat in the area. Meaning bear shit.
You have to be able to tell the difference between black bear scat and grizzly bear scat.
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@terdon It's all about memory, and relying on Google. I used to know all the API calls I needed. Now I'm constantly looking up function signatures and return types for even simple things.
More complicated things lead me invariably to Stack Overflow. I've had the experience of reading an answer and thinking, What a great solution, and so nicely written. Then I see that I wrote the damn thing eight years ago and I don't even remember writing it.
 
@Robusto That may be a more complex matter than it appears.
But yeah, I've certainly done that plenty.
 
2:50 PM
The thing is, Google makes it so easy not to remember stuff like that.
 
I don't have to look up the function signatures for "section 2" functions (Unix syscalls) in C ever, nor usually for "section 3" ones (libc) provided they were around 30 years ago. Nor of course for anything in the "perlfunc" manpage. All those are burned into my wetware forever ago.
But the new APIs spawned of Java and Javascript and C# and all the ensuing frameworks are insanely complicated.
 
Basic stuff usually is for me, but I'll constantly question myself with stuff like, "Hmm, does that permit a callback arg?" and the like.
 
They weren't designed by people with good design skills in APIs.
Or they'd be more predicable, and simpler, and more orthogonal.
The API calls in the Go programming language seem a lot more sensible, at least to my delicate sensibilities.
 
The problem with JavaScript is not the language, which is pretty simple, but with all the frameworks people write to obfuscate its simplicity.
Of course, C is pretty simple too. The original K & R book is what, 100 pages or something? I'm too lazy to go to the bookcase to verify, but it looks pretty damn thin.
 
Yep.
 
2:59 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: What is the UK-English equivalent of "Public Works"? by Martin on english.SE
 
Framework are fucking evil.
 
This is how lazy I am: I just googled "The C Programming Language" to find out how many pages are in the book that is sitting in my bookcase across the room.
Answer: 228 pps.
Looks thinner than that. Maybe it depends on the edition ...
When I need to get up for a bio break I'll check.
 
user288256
Morning. Is this sentence correct: "Talking to people in writing jogs my mind in constructing sentences in English"?
 
@Ghalib It's grammatical, but rather awkward.
 
user288256
@Robusto Okay, thanks. So how would you say it?
 
3:12 PM
And I'm not sure what you mean with it.
What do you mean by "jogs" there? It can mean different things.
For example, it might mean "disturbs" or "stimulates" in that sentence.
 
user288256
@Robusto I meant when I make sentences while talking to people in writing (like in chats here or in other places) my English improves. And by "jogs" I meant, it is a good exercise for my brain.
 
user288256
Sorry, I can't always puts my thoughts into English.
 
I would probably say something like, "In English, I find writing more stimulating and productive than talking.
 
user288256
I see, thanks.
 
user288256
It is just that I'm not comparing it to talking.
 
3:25 PM
@Ghalib Yes you are.
 
No one would imagine that writing is more stimulating than it is talking.
 
There is an implicit comparison when you say "Talking to people in writing ..."
 
Because even though you can having stimulating writing, you cannot have talking writing. Not really.
 
@tchrist Tell that to Dr Hawking.
 
Stimulating may not be the right word there. I'd probably settle for "In English, I find writing more productive than talking."
In case you haven't heard that before.
 
3:31 PM
@Robusto snort, I hadn't :)
 
Entropy is good too.
 
user288256
@tchrist I hope my original sentence didn't give that impression. "Talking to people in writing" doesn't mean "talking writing" I guess.
 
@Ghalib The thing is that talking means communicating vocally. You can't talk in writing. You can communicate in writing if you like.
 
@terdon Well, we're chatting (talking) in writing right here, right now.
 
@Robusto But would you call it talking? Doesn't Talking in writing seem off to you?
Chatting works with in writing. Talking doesn't. For me at least.
 
3:36 PM
@terdon Of course it does. As I stated above, it sounds awkward.
And even after all this colloquy, I'm still not sure what exactly Ghalib means.
 
Exactly. And I think that's because, by definition, talking involves vocalizing.
 
Yeah, but we can understand it as metaphor, can't we?
 
I think @Ghalib wants to say that Communicating in writing helps me improve my English, I guess.
 
Could be.
 
@Robusto Understand, yes. Infer, rather.
 
user288256
3:38 PM
@terdon Thanks terdon. But, when you chat here I am pretty sure you could say "I talk in writing". Because these are text chats and we are talking here.
 
If you want to be more specific, you could refer to "communicating in text" ...
 
user288256
Yeah, "communicating" is a good word.
 
@tchrist: If it's not too much trouble, I'd be grateful if you would change "pepper spran" to "pepper spray" in my bear story above.
 
done
 
Muchas gracias.
 
3:44 PM
This browser is normally iconified during the workday, so I won't know people want my attention without the direct ping for audible feedback.
 
3:55 PM
@Ghalib Not really, no. You don't talk in writing.
> to express or exchange ideas by means of spoken words
Sense b is a little misleading. You can indeed say that, for example, this painting talks to you but it is used figuratively, not literally as you want to do here.
 
user288256
@terdon Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense now. Well, I'm a non native speaker, and obviously I was mistaken. Cheers :)
 
@Ghalib Hi how re you ?
 
user288256
So, we use "No problem" or "You are welcome" after helping someone out with a little task etc. We have this similar expression "No problem" in my native language which we use in the similar situation (i.e. after helping someone out) but I almost never use it because hearing it myself sometimes this thought comes to mind "Was it a problem?" or "Would that have been a problem?"
 
user288256
@Sayros Oh hey Sayros, how are you? I'm good, thanks.
 
good too thanks a lot
@M.A.R. if you want learn Arabic I am here ^^ and you re welcome
 
4:07 PM
Sure, I could use a native's advice now and then
 
I am going to ckeck if there was a stack for Arabic language
never come in mind to check
 
There unfortunately isn't
And there won't be in the near future
 
Arabic Languagearabic.stackexchange.com

Q&A site for students, teachers, and linguists wanting to discuss the finer points of the Arabic language.

Closed after 61 days in beta.

may be the chat doesn't exist but we can ask questions
 
@Sayros No, the site has been closed.
 
They really tried to keep it open
 
user288256
4:10 PM
@terdon So why did they close it?
 
ah you re right
 
But the only real activity came from that Bigown guy
 
because there wasnt much more activities :/
 
Or was it Bigother? I forgot
 
maybe because there weren't much more asks from the world to learn it
you know Arab people always look for others languages
and not arab people doesn't look for arabic language almost
despite it's difficult to find someone has a good backgroung in Arabic even if it's Arabicperson
it's so difficult
 
user288256
4:13 PM
And some Arabs from places like Algeria etc. also know French.
 
yes
me too I know French very good
 
user288256
Neat.
 
thats because countries from north Africa have frankofone customers
it's rarely you find a customer from english country has work with them
 
user288256
I know Arabic but I can't speak it with you. I kind of suck at it now.
 
user288256
@Sayros What's "frankofone"?
 
4:17 PM
Ah okay but when you want you can ping me
 
user288256
Okay, cool.
 
ah I mean francophony
 
@Sayros not really
Would've mattered in a long-term run
 
customers from France,Belgium, Luxembourg,etc
@M.A.R. we call them francophonie customers
they speak french
 
For such a small country, Luxembourg has a really cool name
 
4:19 PM
In constract, anglophonie ==> english customers
@M.A.R. yes
 
So you live in a North African country?
 
yes in Tunisia
 
Nice
 
in the top of Africa's continent
 
C'est francophones en Anglais.
 
4:20 PM
How's stuff over there these days?
 
@terdon yes
 
Chaotic, normal, noisy, or what?
 
@M.A.R. good but sometimes some chaotics happened
kinda polictical stuff
as you know Tunisia the first country made the revolution
and it gaves the hunger to do the revolution for other countries like Lybia,Suria, Egypt
lol
Tunisia is the cause for these wars
 
@Sayros didn't get what you said here
But I guess sooner or later these revolutions would've happened
 
The Tunisian Revolution was an intensive campaign of civil resistance, including a series of street demonstrations taking place in Tunisia, and led to the ousting of longtime president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in January 2011. It eventually led to a thorough democratization of the country and to free and democratic elections. The demonstrations were caused by high unemployment, food inflation, corruption, a lack of political freedoms like freedom of speech and poor living conditions. The protests constituted the most dramatic wave of social and political unrest in Tunisia in three decades and resulted...
 
4:26 PM
I know about your revolution
 
before Tunisia revolution everything is okay in the world
After that Egypt follow the same reason of Tunisia for its revolution
 
Correlation doesn't imply causation or whatever those statisticians might say
So @Sayros, are people not supportive of the revolution?
 
I think in the beggining were supprtive
but now they regret
the most but not all
because the situation after this revolution is getting more complicated
than before
if we were with the same president and political stuff before the revolution it would have to be better now
 
user288256
@Sayros They use this term "Arab Spring" for that.
 
user288256
The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي‎‎ ar-Rabīʻ al-ʻArabī) also referred to as Arab revolutions (Arabic: الثورات العربية‎‎ aṯ-'awrāt al-ʻarabiyyah) or Democracy Spring (Arabic: الربيع الديمقراطي‎‎ ar-Rabīʻ ad-Dīmuqrāṭī) was a revolutionary wave of both violent and non-violent demonstrations, protests, riots, coups and civil wars in North Africa and the Middle East that began on 17 December 2010 in Tunisia with the Tunisian Revolution. The Tunisian Revolution effect spread strongly to five other countries: Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Iraq, where either the regime was toppled or major uprisings...
 
4:31 PM
yes
 
Revolutions are like reboots
 
yeah
 
So there are setbacks
 
exactly
the economics is getting more and more complicated
 
It's not even been 10 years since the revolution
Wait until it gets to 40, like ours. :p
 
4:34 PM
ours where ?
 
Iran
 
our currency is DT (DINAR) now 1 DT = 2.8 euro which is a disaster
 
People do seem to lose faith, because at first they believe in the heaven they can turn their country into, but this is the real world with all its quirks, shortcomings and bloodsucking foreign governments, so things start not to work out
 
@M.A.R. oh Iran good from the most heroes countries
they have a good gans and stuff
@M.A.R. you re right
 
@Sayros heroes?
Well, thing is, we could be much more
 
user288256
4:38 PM
@Sayros what do you mean by "gans"?
 
yes and I think there were some tit-for-tat with Saudi Arabia
 
There still is
 
@Ghalib I didn't find the word in english I would like to say the type of gans
 
But the US-- North Korea conflict is better popcorn material
 
and good Rocket @Ghalib
 
user288256
4:40 PM
Oh, you meant "guns".
 
ohhh yes sorry for this mistake
 
user288256
No, it is fine. I just didn't know that country had a good firepower.
 
I think it is
and actually Iran support Qatar to make revenge with Saudi Arabia
 
user288256
@Sayros So what's the population like in Tunisia? I mean are they mostly Sunnis? Or Shias? Or both?
 
Sunnis
you will not find any Shias
 
user288256
4:44 PM
I see
 
because I didn't see
may exist but I am not aware about that
 
I don't think there are many places in the world where Shia are the majority
 
yes
 
user288256
@Sayros I Dinar = 2.8 Euros is pretty good, no?
 
user288256
I mean sounds like a strong currency.
 
4:50 PM
no never its not good
 
@Ghalib no kidding, but I guess it's not as good for an Arab country
A euro is like 40000 Iranian rials
 
5:09 PM
@Ghalib It's the other way around, 2.8 dinars = 1 euro.
But it does indeed sound like a fairly stable currency?
 
I don't think so
for our country
 
> Consumer prices in Tunisia increased 4.8 percent year-on-year in June of 2017, at the same pace as in the previous month. Inflation was steady for food (3.9 percent);
> Rate in Tunisia averaged 5.21 percent from 1963 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 16.70 percent in July of 1982 and a record low of -1.40 percent in June of 1970.
This does sound fairly manageable.
 
but the salary not increased :p
anyway I don't beleive what rumors said in Tunisia they are liar
there were some other impacted stuffs
kinda buy a car from outside the country
people before going to France for example they used to buy their car in Tunsia
So if they look that the currency is increased they will increase the price
also cars company will increase the price
in the same time most of people without jobs
and the salaries not getting increased
you in Tunsia we don't invent anything
we don't have anything to export
unless some small things
everything we import
 
5:25 PM
 
here always complaining
 
haha maybe but we didn't see this in practice
 
> Economic growth is projected to rebound in 2017 and 2018, spurred by rising business and consumer confidence and by the implementation of the investment law which will improve the business environment. Economic activity will strengthen, in particular in the tourism and phosphate sectors, and boost job creation.
However, unemployment will remain high, especially in the poor and remote regions and for the young higher educated graduates. Inflation will increase, driven by the hike in wages and the depreciation of the dinar.
 
humm, lets forget Tunisia :p people here they always dont understand the situation many rumors many flactuations end etc
we don't follow what exactly written but we see the reality
 
5:38 PM
> And Google searches suggest a surprising culprit for many of these sexless relationships. There are twice as many complaints that a boyfriend won’t have sex than that a girlfriend won’t have sex. By far, the number one search complaint about a boyfriend is “My boyfriend won’t have sex with me.”
> Among all searches with “how to” related to breasts, about 20% ask how to get rid of man breasts.
@Mitch I think this was your article? It's funny.
 
6:01 PM
@Cerberus haha... inflation
wait...which article?
 
@Mitch Someone posted a link to an article about Google and prejudice.
 
Yes, people are liars to everyone, others and themselves. But search history as a determiner of truth is questionable. Everybody thinks they have the flu when it's really just a cold (which I don't know what it is either)
@Cerberus Oh...yeah..I've heard that guy all over the radio and different magazines in the past couple weeks.
people love to hear about sex from a scientist, because it's ... sophisticated.
 
@Mitch True.
@Mitch And because it's sex.
 
Oh. Yeah. Just drop the scientist part
 
user288256
6:17 PM
Then your sentence will become "people love to hear about sex because it's sophisticated."
 
user288256
I guess.
 
user288256
Oh, I missed the ellipses.
 
user288256
6:29 PM
@Cerberus "I don't need sex...the government fucks me everyday."
 
user288256
I quoted that. I didn't write it by the way.
 
> Past, present, and future walked into a bar – it was tense.
A sandwich walks into a bar, and the barman says ‘sorry, we don’t serve food here’.
A man walks into a bar and says 'ouch'
 
user288256
Good jokes, dad.
 
user288256
6:44 PM
I have never been in a bar so I don't know what the big deal "a bar" is.
 
user288256
Sounds like a boring place though.
 
user288256
I'll just take some water I guess.
 
@Mitch Sorry to spoil the joke but I don't get the last one!
 
There's one about a guy with an alligator and Catholics (or Protestants) and we don't serve those kind here and bring one for my alligator.
I'm laughing without knowing what it means.
@Gigili My fault. I tried to remember that one off the top of my head and it came out probably not the best
It's more of a bad pun on 'walks into' as in similar to 'He walked into a telephone pole'
@Ghalib Think of a tea or coffee shop.
and replace all the tea and coffee with alcohol.
 
user288256
Yeah. Heh.
 
6:58 PM
Are "name" and "title" appropriate words to distinguish (respectively) the raw name from which meaning and distinction is derived AND the name with any categorial, if you will, symbols common to all titles, and the style of its graphical representation?
 
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