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MOrning Guys. Does anyone know of a good Unity combo based combat system tutorial. I need to check out how the animator is set up for that sort of thing.

Kevin van der Velden

No idea, don't really use unity all that often =p

doppelgreener

Morning!

doppelgreener

9:09 AM

Started studying Unity this past weekend. \o/ Turns out almost all the tutorials are about 3D games, so I guess I'll be sticking with a little 3D playground project at first.

Uri Popov

9:19 AM

nice. @doppelgreener shout if you need any help

doppelgreener

thanks very much :)

PearsonArtPhoto

12:12 PM

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dot_Sp0T

12:34 PM

So as recommended here I go again: Hey you gamedev people, if you have a few seconds time: What OpenGL versions do you code against, and why?

Kevin van der Velden

If I had to pick I'd go to steam hardware survey and look at that list

dot_Sp0T

@KevinvanderVelden did that, hardware survey doesn't give OpenGL versions, just DX - or at least I didn't find the OGL versions

Kevin van der Velden

HMMM well crap

There goes my plan =p

dot_Sp0T

3.3 core seems to be a save bet if you want to target all of gamerkind (including those pesky macs)

Kevin van der Velden

What kind of hardware do you want to support?

dot_Sp0T

12:39 PM

I honestly just want to be able to reach as many people as possible

Kevin van der Velden

Then go for a software renderer, everyone can support that =p

dot_Sp0T

Well not that many

I still enjoy fiddling with GPUs

Kevin van der Velden

You're going to have to give a rough outline of "I want to support hardware N years old"

dot_Sp0T

well even if I wanted to support cutting edge HW I'd be limited to 4.1 according to apple's mac specs

I'm mostly wondering about you folks with this question

Kevin van der Velden

I'd look at the quick overview list of features each version supports (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL#Overview )

So 1.* is right out, I do want shaders, shaders are great and do all the things

sRGB textures are also useful, and hey if minecraft can drop support for 2.0 years ago then it's probably fine to drop that

(you're not going to be as successful as minecraft, no one is =p)

dot_Sp0T

12:44 PM

(I'm not really doing it for the success)

Kevin van der Velden

So that's 2.1 or higher, do you need framebuffer objects? If so go with 3, otherwise a decent usable minimum level is 2.1

Though even 2.1 is already 11 years old

(and 3.0 is 9)

(well almost, in august)

I'd probably go for 3.0 as a minimum, should be decently supported and FBOs are really quite useful for a bunch of effects

Curio

1:26 PM

Hi!

@UriPopov youtube.com/…

Uri Popov

@Curio why do I need a c# begginers tutorial ?

Curio

@UriPopov didn't you need to learn Unity?

Uri Popov

nah man that was @doppelgreener

I've been working with unity for 6 years now

Curio

So I read baddly

Sorry

DH.

Lol

Curio

1:32 PM

@UriPopov I only read Unity

DH.

And there's a lot of good tutorials in Unity's site

doppelgreener

i'm super comfortable with C# already :)

thanks for thinking of me though @Curio

but if i skip ahead a dozen or so videos in that series, it looks like it specifically covers the Unity API, which is good

DH.

More than coding, the first thing that is good to learn about Unity is the "IDE"

Uri Popov

the editor ?

PearsonArtPhoto

It's interesting building a pure C# (Well, Windows C#) program after Unity...

doppelgreener

1:40 PM

@UriPopov yeah, ide is integrated development environment, so the editor

PearsonArtPhoto

I learned C# through Unity, so...

doppelgreener

@DH. thanks, will do :)

PearsonArtPhoto

The IDE is pretty good, there are definitely points that lack in Unity...

Curio

An english question

Can I use "have to" with the present continuos (future) ?

doppelgreener

@Curio could you provide an example?

Curio

1:43 PM

@doppelgreener In fact I linked that video because it is the first of the Unity playlist :)

For example, tomorrow I'm having to do an exam

doppelgreener

@Curio sounds fine. I'd say "tomorrow I have to do an exam"

Curio

Is it an error?

doppelgreener

"I have to be at work in the morning" -- lots of peoples' reasons for leaving a party early

"I am having to be at work in the morning" is technically OK but very unusual

Curio

Ok, many thanks

Curio

4:26 PM

if(firstconditionmethod() && secondconditionmethod())

When the first is false, the second isn't called. Is there a way to disable it? I guess no.

user92578

nope

Curio

arg, thanks

user92578

bool first = firstcondition(); bool second = secondcondition()

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 yeah that

Curio

yes

user92578

4:26 PM

if (first && second)

Curio

great

user92578

that's called short-circuiting btw

user92578

happens in ORs too when the first expression is true

doppelgreener

yeah, the "only evaluate this second function if the first returns true" is called short circuiting and it's a desirable feature.

dot_Sp0T

4:44 PM

@Curio why would you want that?

Curio

@dot_Sp0T do you mean the translation?

dot_Sp0T

@Curio I meant checking for the second result if the first already tells you that the second doesn't matter

Curio

Because I always have to call the methods

Because there are important actions in them

(translation)

dot_Sp0T

So you have side-effects happening in these methods that need to run regardless of their results?

Curio

@dot_Sp0T yes, but the boolean return value is important because it tells me when the traslation has to stop

dot_Sp0T

4:49 PM

@Curio hmm it still sounds suspect to me. But it's cool. You do what you need to do :D

Curio

@dot_Sp0T why is it suspect?

dot_Sp0T

@Curio I guess I'm just used to other programming paradigms. E.g. I'd probably have a class with a method to do the translation and another method to check if that bool was set

Curio

@dot_Sp0T You can do it with an only method

user92578

how does that work btw? do you have to select every message individually?

doppelgreener

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@Tyyppi_77 with the assistance of the classic shift+click and ctrl+click operations, thank goodness.

user92578

4:57 PM

oh coolio

dot_Sp0T

What did just happen? I was just away for a few minutes :/

user92578

oh no where'd you disappear for a moment doppel?

doppelgreener

FEAR NOT

i had to reload because it still had the old transcript in my cache

dot_Sp0T

:38537208 yeah, but there's plenty of ways you can achieve something - not all of them are good :)

Curio

right :)

user92578

4:59 PM

I think a separate getter for a boolean there doesn't sound optimal at all

dot_Sp0T

and now I really need to dig into STB for an hour or so... o/

user92578

oh, whatcha doing with STB?

dot_Sp0T

@Tyyppi_77 it really depends on the situation I guess

right now true type font loading

user92578

yeah, method naming in curio's situation will be tricky though

dot_Sp0T

as long as they properly document what the method does it shouldn't be an issue

user92578

5:01 PM

yup

doppelgreener

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Curio

Page not found

doppelgreener

that's an automatic message since i undeleted a portion of the conversation that got trashed

user92578

I could've sworn Trash was viewable a while back?

doppelgreener

it's not supposed to be!

user92578

5:05 PM

yeah idk
not sure if you're still working on the trashing or if you just missed the latest messages?

doppelgreener

trashing and de-trashing is done for now

user92578

ah weird, it removed the earlier messages for me without reloading the page but not the latter ones

user92578

all fine now

user92578

so monogame huh?

user92578

also rip monogame messages?

doppelgreener

5:11 PM

oh yeah. was half changing the topic, half considering what would be an appropriate platform for voxel stuff considering this comment from @PearsonArtPhoto

and monogame came to mind as a framework i have some indirect experience with (by way of XNA)

PearsonArtPhoto

In fairness, I know little about Voxels.

user92578

hmm yeah, I kinda know a guy who's making a voxel game in C# with DX I believe and he's just not happy with the garbage collection and whatnot

user92578

I think he still uses XNA for the windowing and such

Typhon

hi

doppelgreener

Hi, welcome back. Let's try to stay on a decent conversational track this time, please. :)

Typhon

5:14 PM

i thought we were

and i tried to leave and you guys called me back :|

doppelgreener

it was rather disruptive

Typhon

regardless i got rid of the copy/pasted code

it didnt occur to me at the time that that might be plagiarism

anyways...

what are you all up to?

doppelgreener

Ok, no problems here and you're not in trouble.

I'm about to head home and do some study.

Typhon

ah cool

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 I'm thinking I might not need to worry about the GC & stuff so much since I'm not building a boundless voxel game.

@PearsonArtPhoto and this is a relief in a way, hahaha

user92578

5:16 PM

I'm grinding XP in Minecraft, watching YouTube and chatting with you guys on the other monitor

Typhon

@doppelgreener btw, why were you wanting to see that profile?

doppelgreener

@Typhon mainly i wanted to aware of if there was anything i should be seriously concerned about.

Typhon

like impersonation?

doppelgreener

brb

Typhon

5:41 PM

@doppelgreener everything ok?

doppelgreener

6:11 PM

Yep, just heading home. :) That brb became more extended than I intended

Typhon

7:53 PM

sorry if you guys thought I was trolling earlier. I was just trying to be hinest.

doppelgreener

8:44 PM

@Typhon thanks for clarifying. there seemed to be a lot of stuff you were saying that wasn't quite adding up, but maybe it was just your conversational style possibly doing you a disfavour.

Curio

oh doppel changed the photo

doppelgreener

ye!

pride month is over so it's back to being green diamond

Curio

If I don't enlarge the photo, it seems a praying mantis for me...I don't know why XD

doppelgreener

:O

Typhon

@doppelgreener yeah probably. Plus, I only recently changed my username so it kind of confused me when people kept saying I was duck. I thought they were referring to the page I linked.

i forgot i changed it

doppelgreener

8:52 PM

oh yeah, that was a while ago wasn't it?

Typhon

was it?

seemed like only a couple weeks ago

doppelgreener

i think so

oh huh

my sense of time might be distorted, i've had a lot going on recently

Typhon

of course... time flies

perhaps there is local time dilation on Earth?

doppelgreener

:O !!!

maybe...!!!

Typhon

due to a black hole like in some sci-fi movie?

meh

that's highly unlikely

Mithrandir

8:54 PM

It's still 2012, no? When the world ended?

Typhon

@Mithrandir hardy har har

the mayans weren't referring to the destruction of the Earth

doppelgreener

like in that episode of stargate

Typhon

in other words: "the stupidity singularity"

on a less political note...

doppelgreener

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Typhon

4Chan was made that year if memory serves right

doppelgreener

8:56 PM

yeah yes please

Typhon

uuh

why?

doppelgreener

things just got a bit too political

4chan was made in 2003 i think

Typhon

tbh, 90% of america agree that the reelection was pretty bad of an idea.

in hindsight

doppelgreener

[citation needed] on stats like that

Typhon

this isnt a court or a wiki article

its a casual conversation

doppelgreener

8:58 PM

yeah and i'm casually calling out that the statistic is probably made up

Typhon

fair point

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Typhon

a better way to put it is that im sure a lot of people who voted for him the first time didnt think it through, didnt like him, yet still reelected him because "i dont like the other candidate"

not a statistic

just saying my view of how it went down

doppelgreener

ok, i can respect that pov

america doesn't have the neatest political system

Typhon

yeah

and a lot of people agree that obama had to tone down a lot of his plans

Mithrandir

9:01 PM

No country has a great political system.

Typhon

cause well... they just didn't work

i would argue that there does not exist a great political system

doppelgreener

the usa's suffers from some pretty severe problems some of its neighbours don't

Typhon

it is the nature of humanity

doppelgreener

like the lack of preferential voting

Typhon

sounds familiar but what is that?

doppelgreener

9:04 PM

in australia, if there's 5 parties, i can assign each one my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th vote. my votes get tallied preferably toward the 1st party, then if that party can't get in they flow on to the 2nd party, and so on. it means i can vote for parties that may not make it into government without wasting my vote.

Typhon

i see. So it is like linear interpolation but with votes?

doppelgreener

it also comes with a separate system wherein if i cast just 1 vote, that 1 party i assigned my vote gets to say how the rest of my preferences are counted. basically, i am voting for them to control the rest of my voting preferences. in doing this, they bargain with other parties who will get in to implement policy on their behalf in exchange for votes, which means my interests are still looked after.

Typhon

clever

so 1st pick gets 1 vote, 2nd pick gets 4/5 of a vote... etc.?

doppelgreener

in america it's just: vote republican, or vote democrat, or waste your vote and ironically assist the party you disliked most (because they get 1 less vote opposition). it is a situation of low competition. here, every party has to compete with each other, and independents and minor parties regularly secure a few seats in the parliament.

Typhon

honestly politics is largely a circus

doppelgreener

9:08 PM

@Typhon nah it's more like... the votes get tallied up, then when the 1st preference cannot win a seat, my votes flow down to my 2nd preference, and if they cannot win a seat, down to my 3rd, etc.

Typhon

but... what about when votes flow down to grant first pick a seat? do your votes get reversed back to the first pick?

doppelgreener

various systems implement it differently. in australia your votes basically flow down until they find someone who wins a seat, preference just orders the likelihood of that happening. in stack exchange's voting system (which has 3 preferential votes) the lowest-scored party gets eliminated and their votes redistributed; you can see an example of that in the RPG.SE 2017 election 🔗

Typhon

sounds complicated

doppelgreener

it's pretty complicated

i don't know all the specifics, but it basically just means my votes for minority parties count

Typhon

indeed

user92578

9:13 PM

yeah idk what it is with these two-party systems

doppelgreener

imagine if there was an economic system that said...
you have $1. pick a soda, and if it's one of the best 2 sodas, you get your soda; if you picked any other soda, you get no soda but still lose your $1. btw the only 2 sodas that anyone gets are pepsi and coca-cola, so if you pay $1 for dr pepper you'll never get your dr pepper. so, what do you choose?

that's USA's voting system.

Australia's voting system is this:
you get $1. you can say what soda you'd like. it could be pepsi, coca-cola, dr pepper, fanta, LA Ice if you happen to like that stuff, mountain dew, or sprite. order them in order of preference. we'll give you the nearest preference people generally agree on, and it'll *probably* be either cola or pepsi, but if enough people agree with you it could be fanta or mountain dew. so maybe if there's enough agreement we'll still buy 20 bottles of coke for the party and 23 bottles of pepsi, but we'll probably still get a couple of bottles of sprite and fanta.

user92578

We talking about presidential elections or parliament elections?

doppelgreener

for australia it's the same thing (federal elections), i think it's federal elections i'm talking about for the USA

user92578

Oh okay, those are different for us here and the voting system is different too

doppelgreener

gotcha

in australia the head of state is the prime minister, which is a sorta-informal role who just happens to be someone the leading party chooses as their leader.

user92578

9:20 PM

Yeah that's kinda an issue of mine, voters here have no control of who is the actual prime minister

user92578

As the party chooses their leader and the leader becomes prime minister

user92578

The president here has very little power, most of which is ceremonial, like confirming the parliament and such.

user92578

Different political systems are very interesting

user92578

Each have their ups and dows

Typhon

can we talk about gamedev?

or something? :-)

politics is a bit much in here

XD

doppelgreener

9:55 PM

[renames room to Politics Development]

Typhon

not in the mood

PearsonArtPhoto

It's hard to remember the dark days of programming before Google...

PearsonArtPhoto

10:09 PM

Well, I now can load in my goods at least! Still need to improve things by quite a bit more, but it's coming along, slowly...

Next phase is to display all of the information that exists on the screen, so it'll be a viewer. And then update the data in memory. Then saving off that memory to disk, and lastly, trying to add new features...

Oh, and I have a bit more memory to add, but I'll get there...