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12:00 PM
oh and he wanted it written by hand. no print-outs... what the...
 
user92578
yeah, at least we don't have to write some stupid application essays or something like that
 
@JohnHamilton He prepared you for a future annoying boss :P
 
is this possible to write in the stencil buffer based on texture sampler pixel alpha channel?
 
@Tyyppi_77 Yeah; at least. Some progammes here have you write that. Boots licking for the win.
 
user92578
yeah; on the other hand I could've just written "yeah I made a game" there lol and that would have probably increased by chances of getting in
 
12:02 PM
yeah
 
naw he was just really backwards in his methods, he did get me to love assembly as a language tho and he was the only one who could teach neural networks in our uni, so there's that
 
user92578
> TL;DR In my opinion, one of the main disadvantages of Steam Greenlight is that if a game does not get viral/successful on the first day, the system offers little mechanisms for the game to redeem itself. Having you-have-one-chance-of-either-hitting-or-missing posting system for projects that required some time and work is, in my view, a bit flawed.
 
user92578
Because it's Steam's job to get your game Greenlit...
 
@PaulD I think so, never tried that but I did work with alpha channels on shaders, maybe you'll find something useful in there: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/137955/…
 
@Tyyppi_77 Well he'll be glad that GL is gone :P
 
12:06 PM
It is true though, the votes are all done on day 1
 
user92578
yeah I don't disagree with that
 
and everyone comes in and leaves nasty comments
after a week you can delete all the nasty comments and no one even notices
 
What?
https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/141188/how-do-i-customise-automatically-generated-script#comment250329_141189
https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/103289/how-to-programmatically-change-sprite-sheet-sub-sprite-name
 
user92578
:D
 
user92578
I guess his point is the immediate answer
 
12:13 PM
I doubt it comes to a point. Mostly just a rounded vagueness.
 
dude should have waited a couple of days before telling everyone how to do it
 
@Byte56 He didn't answer it himself straight away, like Gnemlock did
 
That's also a good format to do tho (my answer was the straight away type)
 
12:16 PM
I mean logically his point makes sense -- why ask a question at all if you are just going to answer it.
The big picture however, is what he is not seeing.
 
So other people benefit, of course.
 
@Byte56 any way to see which tags lack description?
 
Hi Byte!
 
@JohnHamilton Look at each one.
@doppelgreener Howdy
 
There's just too many :\
Ehh, I'll get around to looking at them
 
12:18 PM
I haven't added questions I already have an answer for, because the answer I have I usually already found from the internet, it wouldn't add any additional value to the internet to have the answers in here also
I would feel like a dirty point whore if I did that
 
@Lasse I wrote the shader myself :D
 
Looks like tag data is exposed for queries.
 
I'll do the query later on
Thanks, yeah I forgot about the SQL thing
 
Yeah, I searched for a query already made, but didn't find one.
 
@JohnHamilton Yeah I do understand that, I wouldn't be ashamed of it in this case
I have answerred my own questions too: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/98920/…
 
12:22 PM
is there's someone who can help me with my problem, I would be really glad :) gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/141215/…
 
@Lasse Nope, we want this to be the one place. Get all the data here.
Who knows how long those other sites will last or in what format the data will be.
StackExchange is FOREVER
 
@Byte56 But I don't work for SE, I don't care what the company I generate content for have planned for
 
Point whore away. So long as the question fits the site and the answer is good, you deserve the points.
 
@JohnHamilton Please avoid copying content in tag descriptions.
 
Yeah, that's a motivation question. Some people are here to help themselves and others are here to help others.
 
12:27 PM
Well, would you accuse me for not helping others then? I'm still browsing the site and answerring questions I know a whole lot about
The point is that I'm generating the answer myself instead of copypasting it from somewhere
 
@AlexandreVaillancourt but think of the poor tags without descriptions T_T besides, what can you tell about a scripting language other than its description?
 
No, I'm not accusing you of not helping.
 
@JohnHamilton Write the description in your own words :) And how does it fit within this site? When/where should the tag be used?
 
Lol I just checked, I have 6 question of which 5 I have answerred myself
 
If I'm looking for a solution to a problem and it takes me a while to find it. I think creating a question/answer makes it useful for other people searching for the same thing in the future (And useful for me too when I forget)
Some people are motivated to take that extra step, others, not. That's fine.
 
12:31 PM
in some cases you are the best person to answer
 
The site is still getting better everyday. So all's good.
 
if the information sucked, we would vote it down accordingly
No need to have karma police
 
@Byte56 hello!
I haven't seen you in a chat for a long time!
:D
 
@AlexandreVaillancourt Well, from what I've seen C#, Java etc all have descriptions just taken from wikipedia. why not do the same for every other language out there?
 
Yeah, I get busy. And chat is a time sink.
 
12:34 PM
^ go do your thing Byte, I have time to sink here for today lol
 
@JohnHamilton Then you should start by updating these first :P
> Generic descriptions such as encyclopedia articles and ad copy do not provide useful guidance
 
But it's a language tho, how much more can you describe it? The language tag should be used wherever the language is used? That would make ALL language descriptions just carbon copies and fill in the blank sentences.
 
Alright, John is the mod while I'm away. Listen to what he says.
 
Generic tag descriptions lead to tags like , , which add more confusion than any usefulness IMHO.
 
Those are generic in the sense that they don't limit the tag
a generic description of a specific feature does limit the usage of the tag though
I will think on for example, that one needs a good description and not a copy-paste solution
 
12:40 PM
@JohnHamilton Well I guess the idea is if you're knowledgeable enough with a language, you'll be able to come up with a good description without needing to copy-paste it.
According to this post I guess that the tag descriptions of the languages could be very short.
I guess you could copy-paste stuff in the description if you referenced it properly.
 
I did put references in there
 
There was a link, but no quote.
 
I edited some parts tho, I couldn't exactly call it a quote. Should I just quote it as a block?
 
@JohnHamilton Here, have an SEDE query: Tags that lack descriptions/excerpts
 
12:56 PM
@JohnHamilton If it fits the tag, I guess so! But also add the usage and such!
Err... ... are you an expert in angles?
 
i wish i was
i'd know all the angles
 
@doppelgreener thanks, I'll look through the list and update where I can
Well, I can certainly say that I'm pretty good at angles: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/133977/…
 
Hehe yeah :)
 
simplified
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A: Point plotting with a line graph

jgallantYou can solve this with some basic trigonometry. I wrote the code in Unity, but the general idea should be the same. Consider the following image: We already have P1 and P2. Here is some code to calculate the rest with comments: //Get points P1 and P2 based on circles Vector2 p1 = ...

 
1:20 PM
@JohnHamilton I've just updated that query. It now highlights (at the top) tags with only 1 usage and no wiki, by telling you the months they have left before they get automatically destroyed. The rationale there is those are the ones that need a wiki most urgently.
 
Thanks for the update @doppelgreener I appreciate the effort :)
 
@JohnHamilton You're welcome. This was pretty fun to write, and a good practice on SQL (I haven't done it in a while), and it'll be useful on other sites too.
 
user92578
In SteamUtil.h:
 
user92578
namespace NSteamAPI
{
	// If set, Steam has been initialized.
	extern bool SteamOpen;
}
 
user92578
In SteamUtil.cpp:
 
user92578
1:25 PM
namespace NSteamAPI
{
	bool SteamOpen = false;
}
 
user92578
GCC linker error: SteamUtil.cpp:(.text+0x283): undefined reference to 'SteamOpen'
 
user92578
What am I doing wrong?
 
i don't know
 
@Tyyppi_77 they're saying not to include extern in header files on stack stackoverflow.com/questions/10422034/when-to-use-extern-in-c anyway, why not just initialize in SteamUtil.cpp?
 
user92578
I need the variable globally
 
1:33 PM
yeah I got that part, but you can just initialize the extern variable in cpp file
then use it elsewhere
 
user92578
which is what I'm doing?
 
you're initializing it in a header file
 
user92578
I'm declaring it in a header file which is a must for the variable to be accessible globally
 
user92578
Then I'm defining the variable in a source file which is required
 
ehh, sorry about the word usage, I was trying to say define lol
anyway, do the declaration in a cpp file instead
it's not a must to declare it in a header file
 
user92578
1:40 PM
yes it is if one wants to access the variable from another source/header file
 
What's the harm in trying?..
 
user92578
well surprise, it doesn't fucking compile
happy?
 
very. did you declare it in the same file? that'd stop it from compiling
 
user92578
the issue is not the declaration
 
user92578
it's the fact that other files can't access the variable
 
user92578
1:45 PM
since it's hidden inside a source file.
 
This guy is ridiculously proud of himself haha
 
user92578
I wonder how long it would've taken to fix his tile rendering
 
@Tyyppi_77 I've never used extern... can't help on that; I use singletons and static for global variables :P
 
3700 levels!@
 
Jokes aside: gz :)
@jgallant Fear the great Nintendo!
 
1:54 PM
 
But what was the joke?!?! T_T
 
oh that's my house
these idiots are trying to come in
 
hahah 10 years ago you can put any sort of video on youtube expecially on nerd and programming stuff and all said "woooo" but today many videos are just ridiculous
 
Why did Jon get a 60 day ban?
 
what the, seriously what happened?
 
2:05 PM
He was banned like a couple of minutes ago
 
@Lasse He's been suspended for repeatedly ignoring warnings. More than that isn't necessary to discuss here.
 
I think it's necessary. What exactly did he say to earn that?
 
I think that picture and the words... maybe... but really? I thought it was an industry standard to think of Sean Murray as the worst example possible...
 
@Lasse Suspensions are not discussed publicly beyond a simple reason like the one I mentioned.
 
he said he's gone for good
I think I'm too then
cya
 
2:09 PM
60 days tho, it seems a bit too excessive
 
@Lasse he'll be able to return when the suspension ends. That's not forever.
 
I mean sure, the length is left to the moderator, but going from half an hour straight to 60 days (if I didn't miss anything in between) seems extreme at the very least.
 
"repeatedly ignoring warnings" goes a long way
 
what's that, BB?
looks cool
 
2:14 PM
@jgallant this is what I was so proud of when I started out. I DREW SO MANY CIRCLES !
 
Yeah, sure but I'd give it a few days at first, a week at most.
@BlueBug he's banned for 60 days :'(
 
@Almo This is what I was so proud of when I started out. I dreaw so many circle!!
 
?
what?
Joe is dead?
 
@JohnHamilton There is context you don't have access to here. Please let the moderators do our job. jgallant can raise it on meta if he thinks a serious mistake has been made.
 
2:16 PM
@BlueBug Was that on purpose?
 
@BlueBug :D
 
@BlueBug Who's Joe?
 
@AlexandreVaillancourt I was drawing fractals; I thought fractal meant same thing over on top of the same thing. So I drew circle over other circles
 
@ArtOfCode I understand that. Still 60 was too much even if he intentionally tried to ignore warnings. Anyway, 30 seems fair enough, and he can of course do what you suggest.
 
2:17 PM
jgallant Joe
 
Jon Gallant @BlueBug
 
Oh, it's Jon :P
 
jON
he is dead
 
He was Jon and now he's Joff @jgallant sorry not sorry :P
 
2:18 PM
60 days is like dead
same as being killed
 
it's not 60 days
 
it was reduced to 30, it said 60 at first
 
30 days is like in a comma
 
@jgallant please don't leave for good. I'd miss you :( and Blue would too presumably
 
wat da fique did happen? I feel like it is not something I am not supposed to ask because member of active chat been silenced and that impacts me as an individual who often participates in the chat.
 
2:22 PM
16 mins ago, by ArtOfCode
@Lasse He's been suspended for repeatedly ignoring warnings. More than that isn't necessary to discuss here.
 
@BlueBug you're not supposed to ask, and it won't be discussed in chat, maybe on meta if Jon decides to post there
 
Wow, 3 stars for a website that doesn't really have anything there...
 
@PearsonArtPhoto Imagine when there's going to be something on there :P
 
@PearsonArtPhoto Ah fine, let's make it 4
 
That's so absurd. I honestly don't really see myself or any other members of chat being that different from Jon in the manner they behave. I have not noticed anything particullary different of him compared to his history past years
 
2:24 PM
I really need to get around to making my site
 
LOL.
I even got an upvote on reddit.
I need to get my blog ported there, but I'm just not quite there...
 
ehh, Jon does tend do joke at the expense of people, I've never seen him actually insult anybody tho
 
he's been doing that for years
 
yeah, mods think it should have been a problem before today, but that we were too lenient
 
@BlueBug He did not change; the mods have been applying the rules more severely in the pas couple of weeks though.
 
2:26 PM
This room has a bad rap in the mod chat.
 
you mean rep? :D
 
I guess mods think the bad rap discourages the room from flourishing more?
I dun no. Maybe they are right. Who knows... maybe this will attract more people
 
I felt really welcomed when I arrived a three-four months ago
 
anyway dis is sad
yeah I feel really... awkward
 
@BlueBug I saw it. It was inappropriate.
 
2:28 PM
Mick was being sarcastic a lot and it wasn't really obvious all the time, so that was a bit problematic for me
 
I think he's a great contributor and hope he comes back.
 
but I never thought anything bad of Jon
 
SarcasticMick
 
Yeah ^
 
I think we need like 30~1 hours ban
not days
 
2:29 PM
Never take anything he says seriosly
@BlueBug he had been banned more than a few times for 30 minutes before
 
@BlueBug He's been there already; if one does not learn from it, the ban is extended...
 
I've been holding on to stick, it's all because SarcasticMick
 
@PaulD Use the flag if you see something.
 
I guess someone was offended by whatever he did
since it was flagged ?
 
Anyway, I gotta go now, I'll join in a few hours later at worst
naw a mod was here by chance and he just flagged it
 
2:30 PM
Okay. Chat has gone several years with much more lax moderation. Because of a few recent incidents, among other things, there's now a drive to enforce the rules more, and to do so more consistently. That means things that might have been ignored because they were borderline previously are now not going to get ignored.
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That doesn't mean we have anything against any chatter personally, nor do we have any desire to kick everyone out and Nuke All Teh Roomz. But we're trying to make chat a friendlier atmosphere, and we could do with having you guys on board with that. That means looking out for the borderline cases and trying to avoid them.
 
I guess most of us need a warning shot first; some habits are hard to change, but it's feasible.
 
user92578
Hard to get us onboard when we receive stupid suspensions for posting innocent images.
 
...that wasn't an 'innocent image'.
 
user92578
The image I got suspended for?
 
@Tyyppi_77 I strart wondering what was the image.
 
2:34 PM
@AlexandreVaillancourt That's fair, and when it's possible we'll try to give you those warning shots. Jon had had a number, though.
Obviously extreme situations are just going to result in suspension, but I certainly have no problem with warning shots for borderline stuff.
 
@ArtOfCode Yeah, I'm aware of that, so no worries there :)
 
user92578
@PaulD i.imgur.com/sG2AMMQ.png this without the red things
 
@Tyyppi_77 The other day I didn't suspend you for posting an image — I suspended you because you were deliberately making trouble and had been for at least half an hour prior and were going on with something others were moving past.
 
But Tyyppi is a gamedev exchange vet
 
user92578
@doppelgreener Ah, so diagreeing with mods and making a joke isn't okay. That's cool, and yet another great way to get us on board.
 
2:39 PM
@PaulD Chat isn't moderated based on industry participation, and the suspension was only 1 hour (the minimum I could possibly provide when not for a single post — which it wasn't).
 
@Tyyppi_77 No, disagreeing and joking is okay - the only thing I'd say is to be aware of the context you're doing it in. If you're joking when the conversation is serious, that probably isn't going to go down massively well.
 
user92578
Oh you're so generous, just the minimum for me.
 
I don't feel welcomed to be honest to have just so many moders to overwatch the conversation
I don't know maybe it will do good in a long term
but for now man... I really feel unwelcomed
I think I will take a break from chat a bit.. I guess
 
@Tyyppi_77 Being deliberately thick and hassling people about obtuse interpretations repeatedly is a good way to fall into the area of harassment, and harassment and deliberate attempts to create trouble are a great way for people to get themselves suspended — especially when someone's trying to manage an already-over-the-line conversation and someone's trying to manage that inside of it.
 
@Tyyppi_77 TBH, I'd rather have you here than banned. Things are obviously going to change a bit, but we won't notice it one month from now.
 
2:42 PM
@BlueBug Keep behaving as you have been, and you'll be fine. Your history is clean, and I certainly haven't seen you do anything questionable. If you start getting towards a line, you should get a friendly reminder to stay on track before you get anywhere near suspensions.
 
user92578
We've lost some great chatters because stuff like this, so yes this will be noticed.
 
@Tyyppi_77 Yes, we have; they're welcome to come back and I would like very much to see them back. But we'll all have to adapt to the new context.
 
@Tyyppi_77 I'll ask you to consider that maybe they weren't great chatters if they got suspended or decided that permission to violate Be Nice was required for them to feel comfortable here.
Our Be Nice rules exist to provide a welcoming and hospitable atmosphere to amateur and professional game developers, and chat follows those rules too.
... ok then.
 
and therein lies an awesome example of what's not cool
 
That's not typical, though.
 
2:47 PM
Yeah it's not.
 
here's something else that's not cool
 
@BlueBug So, yes, this is a thing and why Be Nice exists. You're welcome here.
 
I'm Garen, I'm top vs Darius, who counters me. I demolish him in lane 5/0. He goes 0/8 whole game and we lose because our Yasuo went 1/9 and fed their Gangplank.
 
@Almo That's totally not cool man.
 
totally not cool at all >:(
 
2:48 PM
(What is he talking about?)
:P
 
@Almo nooooo!!
 
Darius at the end: "You mad Garen?" I say "no" Then he says "I bet Garen wishes he could go 0/8 and still win"
:D
we put in a large ($460 CAD) order to the publisher of my boardgame, and one guy ordered 4 games (save on shipping this way). He put in an extra $5, said it was for me because I don't get enough money for the quality of the design. How nice of him. :)
 
That's nice!
 
aww. :')
 
3:02 PM
:)
 
What comes to your mind, when you look at this pattern?
 
morse code
but it doesn't read properly
 
@Bálint Almo's and Jon's avatar?
 
yeah I kind of thought that too after the MC interpretation
 
Seriously tho
 
3:13 PM
I'm being completely serious. :)
 
@Bálint That's all :P
What should come to our mind?
 
It should represent the flag of the United States
 
black and red?
 
It's a dark blue
 
looks black to me. I have to look really carefully to see that it's blue
 
3:15 PM
Give me a second then...
 
@Bálint it would have, if it was the right way up ;)
 
I can't really put it like that
 
yeah it looks like youi have vertical red and white stripes
what's this for? just curious
 
@Bálint it reminds me more of flags of the netherlands and france, but i live in europe
also: lasers. pew pew pew pew pew pew vs pew pew pew
 
:D
 
3:16 PM
 
that's more recognisable
 
@Bálint water & lava / hot rock
but yeah that's more recognisable as the USA flag once I know that's what it's meant to represent
 
yup, I can see it's blue more readily, and the correct orientation of the strips makes it more recognizable.
now you'd have to test that one on a virgin audience to see how they see it
 
@Almo I'm creating a game, and I thought I add different patterns to the line of cubes in it
And you can buy them using in-game currency
 
neato, good luck with it. :)
hai josh
what up
 
user4704
3:19 PM
Stuff.
 
:D
 
I'll put the name of the patterns next to them, so I can probably count on that
\o Hi Josh
 
cool
 
that derned sky
still hasn't fallen down
 
BattleZone is no longer PS4 Exclusive.
if you have PC VR, I recommend this highly
 
user4704
3:36 PM
Tanks are boring ;P
 
I need other patterns too, but I'm pretty much out of appropariate ideas
 
@Bálint go for some other flags, like Canada's, if you're doing flags. You'll earn props from the international community for not being USA-centric.
 
@JoshPetrie hahah :)
 
nevermind
 
3:54 PM
I guess tanks can be easier to make and tune...
 
DH.
@Almo There's an Yasuo in your team, you know you're either going to lose really hard or win really nicely
 
seems to be like that
yasuos who are behind don't seem to understand he's only a 1v5 wrecking machine if he's ahead.
 
DH.
You can barely 1v1 if you aren't fed
 
hehe :)
 
DH.
But Yasuo against GP is kinda hard, because after lvl6 GP will have triforce, which means 20% CDR, and can zone Yasuo really hard with the barrels, but pre-6 all you have to do is not wasting the hurricane Q
 
3:59 PM
right
he should have played back further, I think
 
DH.
Yup
 
it would have been boring, but I think I could have carried were GP not fed
 
DH.
If you can't CC GP to stop him for blowing his barrels, you have to wait and let him push the lane
 
yeah
there's another funny one
ARAM Leona. Got most kills of anyone in the game
was even building tank
 
DH.
Yasuo doesn't have a problem against the Bandit Q, since he recovers his shield pretty quickly
 
4:01 PM
right
 
DH.
Oh Aram most of the times to win all you gotta do is build tank
Because then all the mages in the other team will dump their cooldowns on you and your team finish the fight
I don't like being a meta slave, but League of Tanks is so true it hurts
 
zhk
4:16 PM
Hello guyz

Any one interested in Maple (a computational software) then please join us here

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/107315/maple
 
@zhk You might want to add your ad there:
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zhk
@AlexandreVaillancourt Thx for your suggestion
 
Hehe 7th mod to visit us today; you guys are serious about it!
@zhk :)
 
user4704
I was already here, you can't double-count me.
 
Well you and pearson were regular, then doppel, so 4 non regulars came today :)
 
DH.
4:22 PM
Never heard of Maple before
 
@DH. A maths software; I think that's the one we had access to when I was attending university. I don't recall having used it much.
 
DH.
That explains why I never heard about it
 
@JoshPetrie If the community decides to refocus the programming tag, and the question is closed and really only about programming, or engine, is it at that moment that should be applied?
@DH. Because you have not been to university in Montreal?
:P
 
DH.
Because we weren't much deep into maths in my university
The most advanced thing I wanted to do about math I did using wolfram alpha online lol
 
you generally dont want to be doing math by pen and paper tbh
 
4:33 PM
Ah ok, we didn't do much there too, mainly matrix multiplications and graphics display..
@JohnHamilton No, but I guess you have to know how to do it at one point!
 
user4704
@AlexandreVaillancourt I'd still just find a better or new tag for it if possible
 
@AlexandreVaillancourt of course, knowing when to do what is the most useful part for a developer / engineer. Not doing the math itself when you could make a machine do it faster and without any errors, is the logical way to go.
 
@JohnHamilton Agreed!
 
@JoshPetrie I think programming-theory should do nicely for that tag tbh.
 
user4704
Yeah, I'm liking that idea more and more. It's still a huge tag, so I'd like to see more meta activity before moving anything.
 
@JoshPetrie I thought about it, perhaps if you could give a couple of examples questions that would fit well the tag, I think it would help guide the transition forward!
 
user4704
Hm, yeah. I'll go poking around.
 
DH.
@PearsonArtPhoto Gotta change the favicon on your game page
 
user4704
I wish there were a badge or some motivation to encourage people to police tags better (e.g., game design, which is so poorly applied it's not even funny)
 
4:40 PM
I'm slowly getting there...
Will look in to that now.
I also need to change the 403 page.
 
DH.
Ah k, just wanting to make sure you know about it :)
 
No, good to know, it wasn't on my radar. Thanks!
 
4:55 PM
Will need to improve it sometime, but it will do for a while.
 

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