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#888 - even shorter :P

just make sure no epileptics visit the site :D

@rlemon Oh right, all of them are actually spans. :D

jsfiddle.net/rlemon/V2aGx/21

how about this?

funk it up a bit

heh

Now to the color part.

8:09 PM

@OctavianDamiean demo content I/we still need is: Kern Typing examples, and something other than banner design.

Nagios is confusing.

@rlemon I'll think about some examples.

@jrg if Arch does not fit my needs I'm holding you personally responsible.

@rlemon at the worst you'll have learned a lot about how difficult it really is to do what you were trying to do.

oh I expect it to be difficult.

@jrg archlive-i586 is no longer supported (and was never official)

:(

8:17 PM

Oh, ok i guess you're kinda stuck building yourself everything.

damn i586

one off from support.

s/586/686

damn didn't work. guess i'm stuck.

Just Blue

hrmm.. glow seems a bit too large (gets ugly the more spread you add)

and I don't much care for the mouse over effect on every letter. IMO

anyone know where I can get some great free stock photos?

is there like a open source stock photo page?

I just hit up google or deviantart.

what type of photo are you after

marketing? scenery? icons?

8:25 PM

Just a nice spring picture of some sort...

to use as a background here:

b1013.ondinappr.com

freestockphotos.biz/…

@rlemon oh thanks :-D

it's an ok site for stock photos

not the best selection and not the best UI

seriously - google images - specify your size constraints + have a solid search term.

Yeah... I am just going to use it temporarily till i can get home and get my high quality pictures I have taken myself...

google search results prove to provide better images

8:32 PM

m'kay

O.o

mslinux.org <- made me lul

Love that headline:

> Microsoft Invades Cuba

I WANT

> MS Linux to have Start Button

MS Linux Faces Competition
Microsoft has hired lawyers to attack it's own product line in an attempt to confuse the DOJ. This stunning new tactic shows great promise according to several Harvard Law professors, although many expressed confusion when questioned about the long term effects of this campaign

ok back to work.

lol

8:36 PM

lol

xubuntu or lubuntu (concern is resource hog and general performance)

on both the DE will be removed .

server.

since you don't need a DE.

jsfiddle.net/mainerror/V2aGx/27/embedded/result

ok what would be easier - ripping all the junk out of the server distro to get the basic stack I want / or ripping all of the junk out of the desktop edition including the DE

server

since there is less junk to begin with

is it sad that I'm setting up nagios for the majority of the LAN?

8:47 PM

@jrg ubuntu server? or is there a smaller / just as secure server distro

red hat?

you could use centos. maybe

@OctavianDamiean jsfiddle.net/rlemon/ZuSZW/1

ubuntu server is pretty light

it's the same image as what you get on a cloud instance basically, and those run on worthless t1.micros

which is about as powerful as what he's going to run it on, if not more powerful.

and ubuntu server i386 will run fine on a i586?

Q: How can I update to a newer version of Git using apt-get?

8:53 PM

yeah

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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I've just set up a new machine with Ubuntu Oneiric 11.10 and then run apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get install git Now if I run git --version it tells me I have git version 1.7.5.4 but on my local machine I have the much newer git version 1.7.9.2 I know I can install from source to get ...

/me kinda wants to checkout funtoo for kicks.

aking1012

@jrg I got what looks like a good answer on that ruby question from last week/month. If you had a hand in that thx. I haven't tested it yet, but it seems sound.

Oh, this one? - askubuntu.com/a/110389/6005

aking1012

yes that one

9:00 PM

I didn't have a hand in it, but if it works then I'll toss a bounty on it (since I've run into this before and given up)

@jrg do you want one post per meta tag too? or just synonyms?

@JorgeCastro I got told from on high that we need to have synonyms and tag burninations each in their separate post so we can keep track of 'em.

so yes.

ok

Alrighty, enough CSSery for today.

@OctavianDamiean you any good with docs? feel like reviewing / editing the webpage or starting the Wiki?

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9:06 PM

Bounty offered: What's the story with TRIM support? http://askubuntu.com/questions/14923/whats-the-story-with-trim-support #ssd

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@rlemon I'll do that tomorrow. Right now I need one more painkiller and some sleep. :)

@OctavianDamiean beer + bong === instanceof Naptime

heh

This is how Intel plans on assembling their new i9 Thorax-Bridge

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Can't wait to find out how bad my pull request on Bootstrap was. :P

9:11 PM

success.

@jrg What is that?

@GeorgeEdison That good sir, is Nagios.

It looks dangerous.

The bane of every sysadmin.

Blog - Stack Exchange: The New Stack Exchange Beta Theme

Robert Cartaino on March 06, 2012

I wanted to give you a quick look at the new Stack Exchange Beta theme. Yes, we are retiring the familiar “Sketchy” theme and rolling out a more-polished and finished design for the beta sites.

Raise the curtain, cue the trumpet fanfare…

Alas, poor Sketchy…

Over the course of the next few weeks, we will be rolling out the new Stack Exchange Beta theme to all the sites still in beta.

At first glance, the new beta theme looks like an unembellished version of any graduated site: Finished, but without any particular “beta” theme, per se. But that’s sort of the point. …

9:13 PM

Nice.

@OctavianDamiean I'm going to try and make a bootstrap based nagios theme.

Oh fancy!

...and to round out the Bootstraping, I'm rewriting my home page in Django but keeping the Bootstrap theme I have.

I need to make a few adjustments to it though.

ok, time to power cycle a server or two so I can test nagios. :)

@jrg Where did you get all of the servers?

9:16 PM

Good night guys.

aking1012

@OctavianDamiean - night

my laptop, a VM, another VM, an iPod touch, another iPod touch with a dead battery, Moms iPhone, dads laptop, moms laptop, the list goes on - i'm adding every. single. freakin'. box on the LAN to this thing.

it helps when I have a DNS server that snags your hostname, so i don't break my notifications.

Burn, Baby Burn! Ubuntu-Server Inferno!!

►

yes every time I burn a disc I sing this song to myself

@jrg Heh - I only have two devices on my network.

@GeorgeEdison I blame dad's work.

in The Assembly, 5 mins ago, by Mark Trapp

@Ninefingers Curses, StackMobile is broken. Can't vicariously use private beta sites anymore.

9:30 PM

@GeorgeEdison Whaaa? I have my two pc's, wii, two tv's, gf's laptop, her phone, my two phones, and my tablet.

@rlemon I hope to have another device soon.

I'd take second prize over first

@jrg Thanks. On to it.

You're welcome.

Third prize for me, or maybe the library.

Stack Mobile is something else when it comes to triggering the API throttle.

9:33 PM

Hooray! I can haz chat!

why is my only install option for ubuntu server "rescue a borked system"

@Oli what, did I press the wrong button banning you for a week or something? (Welcome back to us!)

s/borked/broken :/

@jrg I probably deserved it for kicking @AmithKK all those times :)

@Oli Heh. :)

fossfreedom

9:34 PM

evening all

@fossfreedom o/

wuddup @foss-boss

No, a powercut hit us last night and I got impatitent while it was booting up after the cut (it was probably fscking but I thought it had locked up) and so hard-reset. That really broke things to a point where I needed to fix Grub and fsck it myself. Bit of data corruption by the looks of things but there's no real data on the SSD, it's all profile fluff.

ohh @Oli you so silly.

@Oli Ext4?

9:37 PM

@GeorgeEdison Yeah

Should be using btrfs. ;)

Speaking of which, we really need to get a "how do I restore grub on a btrfs system" question.

since the short answer is... not easily.

In fairness the issue that stopped me joining chat was probably due to Firefox hard-closing rather than my dodgy fscking.

Does btrfs even have a fsck tool (in Ubuntu) yet?

there's no fsck.btrfs

no

IIRC it's on its way though... I've seen something about it somewhere. Probably something on Phronix. They have a raging clue for new filesystems.

9:50 PM

hellohappy.org/css3-buttons

Going production ready in Oracle linux. - phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0ODU

And its available as of last month @Oli - phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA2MDI

but its in the "dont ever use, this stuff will kill kittens if used" department.

10:16 PM

dammit, my 2tb wd green is probably dying. i've been warned about those drives, but i wouldn't listen.

@htorque Ubuntu's disk utility should tell you what's what.

It will display the S.M.A.R.T. data for the drive.

i suspect a mechanical problem

will check with the wd diagnostic tool

smart data and benchmark look fine

How dangerous are a few bad sectors?

when the drive is new, i'd say not at all

when they show up after a couple thousand of hours, i'd at least keep an eye on the number

i hear a noise from the system, don't know where else it should come from :-(

Its been on for 44 days, and has 2359382 bad sectors, so i'm "ok", right?

10:20 PM

2359382 bad sectors?

@htorque That's a lot.

yes, that many.

if that's right, your drive should be half-dead by now

@jrg My 1TB drive has a really high start / stop count.

10:21 PM

:-o

That's what I'm worried about.

@GeorgeEdison Youch.

So, how screwed am I?

@jrg Depends how recent your backups are :P

and how badly do I need to start saving for a replacement?

@GeorgeEdison Backups are last night.

You're fine (I don't know about your drive though...).

10:22 PM

ah, i almost forgot about setting the drive to never park its heads, which likely voided the warranty. :D

And is there anything I could possibly do to prevent it from dying sooner rather than later?

yeah, you can turn the pc off

Marco Ceppi

Anyone good with bootstrap here?

sorry :)

@jrg My suggestion is to make sure it isn't powering down too often to save electricity (like it isn't going into "power save" mode too often - that really increases the start / stop count).

@MarcoCeppi Maybe...

Marco Ceppi

10:24 PM

Ah, I found it

@GeorgeEdison Ok.

That is one thing that Windows does that Ubuntu needs to do - be more careful with external hard drives.

ugh seriously?

askubuntu.com/tags/debian/info

Windows is careful to avoid power cycling the drive a lot. Ubuntu would do it every 5 minutes or so.

we can't put markdown in tag wiki descriptions?

10:26 PM

@JorgeCastro You can - just not the excerpt.

;_;

@jrg as I've said in a few answers to other people, regardless of it still working, unless you can prove it's a SMART bug (they exist in some drives), or the data on the drive holds no value to you (and it won't cause disruption when it does die) you really want to look at replacing that drive immediately. At the very least, you want to back up anything irreplaceable and have a restore plan in mind.

@Oli Hm, wonder what the odds of getting HP to replace this thing are. probably nil. Thanks.

if in question, test with the vendors smart tool

Because if the drive does hold valuable data, there's no point waiting for the drive to stop working. That's very often too late.

10:27 PM

@Oli That is too late.

Backup to the cloud FTW!

@GeorgeEdison Not always... I've had drives die and have managed to restore valuable data from them (via freezing/banging the drive) but that should never be Plan A because there are no guarantees.

@Oli Freezing the drive... really?

Completely unrelated to anything: writing pagination code is hard.

@GeorgeEdison Yeah that certainly used to work for some spindle/head issues on older drives (~10 years ago)

@Oli Thanks for the tip - I'll keep that in mind next time one of mine dies.

@GeorgeEdison Yeah and if I had £10 every time I had... Well I'd probably have £100.

10:31 PM

I think I finally have something that works though:

github.com/nathan-osman/Stack-Mobile/blob/master/utils/…

@jrg It might take a while going through a vendor like that. If the drive is separately branded you could try a separate RMA and replace the drive yourself but you're going to lose any data on it. They don't fix disks as they come in, they just test it and shunt you out a refurb drive. If they find a chipset issue with your drive they'll replace the IO board, format the disk and push it out to the next person. If it's harder to fix, they probably melt it down and use it in another product.

I'm going to go through the test thing first, then I'll see where that leaves me.

bbiab

@GeorgeEdison What's the point of the array_unique and array_filter calls? They're pretty serious functions in terms of computation.

gotta go sync last week's data -.-

I see. Hmm. Wouldn't it be better to check the values you're putting in the array before you put them in, rather than running over the whole array after you've put in a load of junk?

10:36 PM

cya o/

@Oli The array will only ever have up to 5 values or so.

...so in terms of computation overhead - it isn't that bad.

Checking the values beforehand is extremely tedious and involves a lot of complex logic.

The last time I did it that way, I was getting duplicate numbers and all sorts of other problems.

So when I sat down to write it this time, I said "this is just going to be simple - period." And it was.

It might cost a few ms here and there, but it works and it is easy to understand.

@GeorgeEdison Nonsense! Write an array of numbers (-2, -1, 0, 1, 2), loop over those, check to see if they're valid pages (when added to currentpage) and if they are, add them to the array.

Quick test isn't showing anything, but I keep waiting for the advanced test to scream at me and die. :p

$pages = Array()
foreach ([-2, -1, 0, 1, 2] as $i)
    if (self::CurrentPage + $i > 1)
        $pages[] = ...

@Oli But then there will be duplicates - suppose we have 2 pages. We write page 1 (since page 1 will always be present) and then when we get to 'current_page + 0', we find that the number 1 gets written twice.

Then we need special code to handle that.

Q: how to give feedback or ideas to ubuntu

10:43 PM

hm, so i booted without the drive and still hear the noise

it's not the ssd i'd say :D

it sounds like a floppy access. no optical drive attached. i'm a bit worried. and scared.

fossfreedom

ok - I know this one is a dupe -- but cant find it!

1

i was wondering where can i give feedback or ideas about nautilus/unity/software center. cause i sometimes have and idea about how Ubuntu can be improved.

nautilus bug

@GeorgeEdison Why do you always write page 1? Are the first and last pages always visible? eg: 1 ... 5 6 7 ... 13 (where 13 is the last page)

@Oli Yes, the first and last pages are always visible - and the first page is always 1 so...

You could just do what other things do and show "<< First" and "Last >>" regardless of the numbering

And you should probably have a if($total <= 1) return ''; guard clause at the top of the function to save it doing any real work if there isn't more than one page.

10:59 PM

How do I close one of my own questions?

fossfreedom

@Allan hit the close link or just hit the flag link and ask for it to be closed. If you can answer it even better - just click the tick button next to your answer.

Q: Can Kopete transfer files over gtalk?

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Ok so I recently updated to Kubuntu 11.10 which is really fast and stable however I have come upon one problem which I have googled for about a whole day trying to find an answer to. How do you setup gtalk file transfers in kopete the current settings I have is this Use protocol encryption (...

11.10 kubuntu gtalk kopete

@fossfreedom done

I'm actually working out a kernel bug with one of my machines which if it is solved will have a copy of Kubuntu 12.04 put on it so it may not be that long before I can check

11:14 PM

hm, my failing hard drive is probably... the gas strut of my new chair. the upside: i've an up-to-date backup. ;-)

Hooray!

Interesting, my sisters laptop seems fine. Then again, she doesn't have nearly as many power cycles as I do.

Does any one know what kernel is in the Precise daily build?

@Allan packages.ubuntu.com/precise/linux suggests 3.2.0-18 but that's not neccessarily on the ISO (there may be dependencies between packages.ubuntu.com and the ISO based on both their last updates)

@Oli Is it likely to be in the release ISO?

11:29 PM

It'll probably be 3.2.0-20. guessimate

bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/943585

if you are wondering what the interrogation is for

@Allan Last changelog on the package is from Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:06:55 +0000, so if the ISO is from before then, probably not... If it's from afterwards, maybe.

@Allan Oh check the .manifest files too. they show all the packages.

@Oli I can leave it a few days and test on friday or the weekend

3.2.0.18.19 according to the latest manifest.

I am kind of hoping that fglrx will work as I use the system as a media center box and the opensource driver over scans :(

11:38 PM

@Allan Using it at the moment, not issues with Unity (compiz) or even games, installed it via the AMD installer and they have been re building themselves for each kernel update. Its just working top notch

I'm just using the open source ones, and I haven't had any problems.

@BrunoPereira I'm assuming the reason it isn't working with fglrx so far is I have been testing the kernels on a 10.10 system there for wrong fglrx?

This seems like a nice cross-platform tool.

Komodo edit? Yeah, its a bear though once you have a complicated project open.

@Allan I would say so, since AMD11.10 there has been little issues and since 11.12 I havent noticed any issue what so ever

11:44 PM

(and by "complicated" I mean more than four-five files)

Hmmm... that doesn't sound good.

@BrunoPereira Fingers crossed ;)

@Allan anything, shoot ;)

wait, so i'm reading that if i drop all partitions and make a new ext4 partition, fsck it and do another check, I might be ok? hard drives are so confusing.

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11:53 PM

@jrg I'm not sure about that. I thought SMART data was completely independent from whatever's on the disk.

This guy seems to think it can be fixed, or at least averted for a little while - zerinsakech.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/…

le sigh

@jrg That will, at best, mark the bad sectors as non usable so that the fs does not use them, not fix them