Vedanta and Philosophy

4:10 AM

@Seeker socha ki three strands of hair dengi nd ask from god for forgiveness. Lykn forgiveness k liye Kaise prayer karege WO suggest some rule .

@TheDestroyer why you have said that"now take a vow to Venkateswara and say you want sometime and after getting it, don't visit temple.
And tell me your experience." All gods are same na so why venkateswara god will punish anyone if someone can't visit his temple?

The Destroyer

5:11 AM

@kaamya No. That message was for Rakesh. No. All Gods will punish in same way. Irrespective of what name you call him, Gods shows grace and at the same time punish for our well being.

@KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz @Pandya @SreeCharan @SwiftPushkar Is Hinduism Meta working for you?

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Yes. With https

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Yes, are you on PC or Android?

The Destroyer

@Pandya PC

@SreeCharan I'm not able to access even with https

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Then it should worked (with https) are you facing any problems? (any proxy enabled?)

The Destroyer

@Pandya I don't use proxy

Only meta site not main site.

Pandya

5:22 AM

@TheDestroyer It might be some problem regarding https.

@TheDestroyer which browser (have you tried another)?

@TheDestroyer also try to clear the cache of browser (or re-login).

@TheDestroyer Try hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com

The Destroyer

@Pandya Ohh.. i am able to open in mobile but not in pc.

kaamya

@TheDestroyer I knw that is for Rakesh. But I m asking that does only venkateswara god is very dangerous ? If anyone ask help from that god nd god fulfill his wish and in that case can't he pray from his house for that god? as god is omnipresent.

Sree Charan

@kaamya Venkateshwara is not dangerous. He is merciful.

The Destroyer

@kaamya Venkateswara is not dangerous. Every god is merciful.

@kaamya For example, in Sri Rudram, A Vedic hymn to Lord Shiva, says we pray to Rudra to make his less angry. Shiva can't be angry but here angry is our own sins (bad karma) and we ask him to forgive us by praying him. So, indirectly God getting angry means we are getting our bad karma. Nothing else.

kaamya

@SreeCharan @TheDestroyer so why god punish human being if human being ask for help nd not fulfill what he have said. As god know we all are bound in a Maya jaal which is created by god .

Sree Charan

5:34 AM

But to remind one's folly, god tests one.We shouldn't forget God anytime. Vow is a gratitude. That should be fulfilled. He will fulfill our wishes even if we don't offer anything but devotion. Why did she decide to give only 3 strands of hair? @Kaamya

The Destroyer

@kaamya If we do some mischiefs our parents will censure us but that doesn't mean our parents are angry on us. Same is the case with God. He will always improve us like our parents, sometimes giving whatever we want and even sometimes punishing.

Seeker

Welcome @TheDestroyer . Thanks but I've a lot of Tantra books in the queue, will ask when will complete these.

Sree Charan

If the reason is affection towards hair, God wouldn't accept 3 strands of hair.

The Destroyer

@Seeker ok.

kaamya

@SreeCharan destroyer said that she can give only three strand that's why she has decided to give only three strands

Sree Charan

5:36 AM

That maayajaal shouldn't be the reason for escaping the vows. @Kaamya

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Yes I'm able to visit Meta...

kaamya

@SreeCharan what god will accept ?

The Destroyer

@kaamya If she said just hair in her vow, she can give that. Many people do the same for Venkateswara in Tirupati.

Seeker

@kaamya give 3 strands but without any guilty conscience.

The Destroyer

@Tezz @Pandya @SreeCharan Yeah. opened it. Problem was due to this extension.

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/https-everywhere/…

kaamya

5:41 AM

@TheDestroyer actually whenever I listen venkateswara god name I get scared b'coz somewhere I have read about that god that if any one ask for help nd tell that he will visit that temple nd refuse from visiting god will punish him .

The Destroyer

@kaamya It's not actually punishing us. It's improving us or directing us towards sanmarga (सन्मार्ग),

kaamya

@TheDestroyer but I don't understand people say that or god actually punish.

Sree Charan

@kaamya It's a misconception. Give 3 strands of hair to God without any affection towards your hair. Giving hair signifies losing affection towards wordly pleasures and surrender to Lord. If lord Punishes us, we wouldn't be here. If we think we can cheat God, we are stupid. He gives a Jhalak when the bad aspects rise within us(ego, jealouy etc.,). Then we will automatically remember God.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh Ok...

The Destroyer

@kaamya It depends on how you feel. How do you feel when your mother censures you if you did some mischief? Do you consider it as punishment?

kaamya

5:46 AM

@TheDestroyer if he can't able to visit that temple does god force him to visit then only u will direct towards sanmarga ?

The Destroyer

@kaamya Also, it is said sins are present in our hair. So, people give away hair.

@kaamya We can't fully understand acts of God. They are beyond logic. But at end you may understand few.

@kaamya What people call punishing will actually drive us towards Sanmarga.

kaamya

@TheDestroyer no I don't consider it as punishment . I used to improve myself.

The Destroyer

@kaamya Same things happens when you break the vow. You may feel God is punishing you but it indirectly aimed at your Sanmarga.

kaamya

@TheDestroyer BT I am asking about venkateswara god .

@TheDestroyer does that man have to visit that temple if he cant ? Or god will understand him .

The Destroyer

@kaamya Every God is same. Venkateswara literally means Ven = Sins kata = cut and Iswara = God, God who cuts sins.

@kaamya See. These Vows don't have scriptural evidence. They are personal experiences. None can say clearly. It's better if you fulfill as soon as possible.

kaamya

5:52 AM

@TheDestroyer so why can't god comes in our dream do this and everything will be okay ? Why he can't he directs us in our dream?

Pandya

@TheDestroyer oh! yes it is mentioned at here. So, now finally you can access ok

The Destroyer

@Pandya Yeah. That extension was problematic. I removed that extension.

Sree Charan

@Kaamya There is always an option. Why are you not able to visit a temple? Why can't you give the hair later? If the answer is "I only have time now. So I tend to fulfill it". Then it is not encouraged. God should be given 1st preference. Then comes our preferences. Also visiting Temples is not in our hands. Sometimes Lord creates obstacles to visit him also. That should be treated as test but not as punishment.

kaamya

@TheDestroyer we never seen god rather than their statue that we used to see daily and that also created by human beings .and whatever is written in sastra is also written by human being we never come to know what is wrong what is write ?what should we believe ?can u tell me pls.

The Destroyer

@Pandya ohh. there were many people like me who had this problem.

kaamya

6:00 AM

@TheDestroyer what you want to say she should give her hair later or now?

Tezz

@kaamya 'whatever is written in sastra is also written by human being' No, Vedas are authorless... they are not written by Humans... nor by Gods...

Sree Charan

@kaamya NO. The people who written the scriptures are not mere humans like us. They were realised souls. Their spiritual level is different than ours(very high). If you have a thought like this, then it is pointless fulfilling your "vow". Because God has not asked your hair. It is your own thought.

kaamya

@SreeCharan I am not asking about god in that passage

@SreeCharan I am not asking about vow in that passage

Sree Charan

@kaamya Also there are many swayambhoo idols which were not created by Humans. Tirumala Venkateshwara is such an example.

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