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12:16 AM
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A: Renault Kangoo overheating - Waterpump? Thermostat?

dluThere appear to be three problems here: Loss of coolant, and Overheating, and also No heat. That's a lot of problems to have show up all at once, so it would be good if we could find a common element that would explain all of them. Coolant loss means that there must be a leak someplace. If y...

 
 
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1:32 AM
@DucatiKiller - I'd agree.
 
 
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3:04 AM
Man... I leave for a few weeks in search of employment, and I come back to a bunch of hats. Are hats for non-beta stacks, or is this just new? Or were there always hats and I was in denial? Or are there no hats whatsoever and YOU are in denial? [sigh]
 
3:18 AM
Never mind. I actually read a FAQ. Does anyone know the Bitcoin to Unicorn Dollar exchange rate??
 
 
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4:45 AM
@SteveRacer - I don't have a flippin' clue on either, lol! Can you exchange Unicorn Dollars for Pixie Dust? Really ... No clue.
@SteveRacer - Were you successful in your search for employment? I'm hoping so ... the alternative would truly suck!
 
 
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6:19 AM
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 it would indeed
 
 
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11:57 AM
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 I want to pull out the engine and transmission from the Lumina. Roughly how much time should I budget?
(This is the LS1)
 
12:14 PM
@Zaid - Do you have a cherry picker (engine hoist) or what are you using to pull the engine?
@Zaid - Also, will you have any help or is this all you?
You'll want to pull the engine out the top. Disconnect the wiring harness and leave all the wiring in the car. I like to pull the engine/tranny together on most pulls. If you are doing it by yourself and you have a good engine hoist, I'd suggest you budget between 5-8 hours if you are on it. If you are just taking your time, budget a bit more, probably 8-10 total. Mind you, this is a total SWAG as I've not done it with this engine on your car before.
GM is pretty good about only having one type of connector in the engine bay. You can mark all of the electrical if you want, but more than likely it will be pretty easy to find the proper home when you put stuff back together.
 
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 I have a wheelable hoist
 
@Zaid - That makes life a lot easier.
 
And potentially another pair of hands
 
If they are skilled hands, you can probably 1/3 your time estimate.
I mean, shave 1/3 off your time estimate
So, probably 3-4 hours.
 
Yeah, I think 5-8 hours will be a stretch
 
12:22 PM
Too much time?
 
No
I'm slow, lol
 
lol
Well ... when I try to estimate for my wife, I'm always longer than my suggestion.
Take for instance the Subaru ... <cough><cough>
 
Lol
I'm just making a mental checklist of things to do
 
Actually, I never gave her a time estimate on it. There was "I'd like to have it done by xxx" ... but that never came close to panning out.
It should be pretty straight forward.
What are you doing with the Lumina?
 
Well, I'm getting its road permit canceled. Thereafter it's a project car
 
12:25 PM
You said something about racing it?
 
I'd like to turn it into a drag car
 
But that's a long way away
 
Plans? Mods?
 
Well the engine needs investigating
 
12:26 PM
I say, go for a 408 build!
:o)
 
Mainly why is it mixing oil and coolant?
 
Hmmm ...
Which way oil -> coolant or coolant -> oil or both?
 
I see oil in the coolant reservoir
 
Gotcha
Aluminum block and heads, right?
 
Yes
It's a gen3
 
12:29 PM
Yah
5.7L
LS1
DBC
 
Yup
Double barrel carb?
Oh
You mean drive by cable
Yes, that's the one
 
drive by cable
A "double barrel carb" on an LS1 would be lunacy.
Talk about choking the poor thing to death!
 
My brother (the second pair of hands) was wondering what kind of HP figures one can expect from an NA LS1
 
With what mods?
 
I remember we had this discussion a while back but don't recall
 
12:34 PM
Also, are you running Dexcool in your system?
 
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 that would be negative. I was using straight water. I know I know....
 
If you're having "oil in the coolant" problems and trying to diagnose, I won't ding you for it.
I wouldn't run through real coolant without knowing (or thinking) I'd solved the problem. That'd just be a waste.
 
Well it was consuming coolant
 
So, consuming coolant and oil in the coolant ... head gasket.
 
That's what I reckon as well
 
12:38 PM
yup ... I don't see any way around that one.
 
Back to the mental checklist
Drain coolant, disconnect hoses
Drain PS fluid, disconnect hoses
 
Too bad you don't have a block with 4" bores ... I'd highly suggest you get a set of as-cast LS3 heads to go on your engine. You can get them relatively cheap. Especially when you consider the potential HP numbers.
You shouldn't have to drain the PS fluid.
You also shouldn't have to disconnect them. Just take the pump off of the engine and set it aside.
 
That's a good idea
 
Same for the A/C compressor.
 
Freon?
 
12:41 PM
what?
 
Ok, gotcha
 
Are you going to remove the A/C stuff?
 
Bitten by autocorrect
 
Well i would like to salvage the compressor if I can
 
12:42 PM
keep it on the car?
 
That's a good question... I'm not sure at the moment
I mean it isn't essential on a drag car
 
If so, just disconnect it from the engine as well. They are designed to be able to do this so you don't have to purge the R134
 
That's cool
Literally
 
Usually just three or four bolts to pull it off (plus one electrical connection).
 
And yhen there's the exhaust
That'll hopefully be easy to tease off
 
12:45 PM
Tackle the exhaust one of two ways ... with/without manifolds.
 
It's easy enough to undo the exhaust manifold bolts but I'm afraid it will impede the extraction process
 
I'd take them free at the manifold/exhaust junction and leave the manifolds on the engine. Only 4 (or is it 6?) bolts to deal with that way.
Use some PB Blaster on the exhaust bolts prior, if you have access to the stuff.
 
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 I'll have to see how accessible they are from underneath
But good idea
 
Also, if you have access to a good impact gun I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND USING IT.
 
Oh boy, I needed an excuse to buy one and now I have it! ;)
 
12:48 PM
Seriously, for exhaust bolts alone it's worth it.
 
The excuse, not the impact, lol
 
lol
Hah! It's snowing here right now. I woke up, put on my workout clothes, went to the gym ... and it's closed. I was a little miffed. There's maybe an inch of the white stuff and they close the gym ... absolute heathens!
 
How are the engine and tranny mounts?
Is it just bolts that need undoing?
 
They shouldn't be too difficult. There should be two bolts for the transmission side (just under the tail of the tranny). The engine mounts may be a bit harder because they are tucked up under the exhaust and out of the way.
 
Cool
 
12:50 PM
I think on the engine side, there are three bolts per mount which attach the engine to the mount.
Again, these may be a little hard to access (and I'm just guessing from experience, but not on these engines).
 
Your insights are invaluable nonetheless
 
I'm excited about this
 
I appreciate that. I'll keep you around for a few more days. You're good for the ego, lol.
 
I just need to plan this out
 
12:52 PM
Yup, so let's run down it.
- Drain coolant.
- Disconnect and label all wiring.
- Take out the radiator and fans.
(this prevents any damage during engine removal)
- Take off the serpentine belt.
- Disconnect the power steering pump and set aside.
- Disconnect the A/C compressor and set aside.
- Disconnect the exhaust (either manifolds or exhaust ... your choice)
Forgot ...
- Remove air intake tract.
(I should be numbering these, eh?)
 
Lol
 
- Disconnect transmission wiring and linkage.
- Remove drive shaft.
- Plug transmission output (so fluid doesn't go everywhere).
Q: Is this an automatic or standard ... I believe you said an auto before?
 
Fair point
It's auto
 
Auto makes it easier to remove.
 
I'd forgotten about the drive shaft
 
12:57 PM
- Disconnect throttle linkage.
 
That's easy
 
- Disconnect heater/coolant hoses.
- Disconnect cruise control linkage (probably done with throttle linkage).
 
Yikes, forgot that too
 
- Take out tranny mount bolts.
- Take out motor mount bolts.
- Attach lift chain to engine.
- Double check for stuff you missed.
- Attach engine hoist.
- Start lifting.
- Remove/disconnect the 20 things we forgot to disconnect.
- Pull the engine/transmission.
 
The fuel rail... should be just a hose, right?
 
1:01 PM
Ah! Good one :o) Yes, there should be two lines for the fuel. One in and one return.
I believe.
 
Thanks once again. This is a great checklist
 
Okay, on a stupid whim, I checked to see how much it would cost for a round trip ticket to Qatar ... Seems it's not nearly as bad as I thought. Only $817 for a round trip (with two stops).
 
There should be a direct flight from DC
 
It would be awesome to come help you do this ... obviously just a whim.
Yah, there is, but they are about $1k more
OH! If I went from Dulles, I can get one for $601 ... on Turkish Airlines ... (no thank you).
It's a one stop ... In Istanbul! LOL!
Would not take that flight to save my life, I think.
 
Istanbul is a great place to visit
 
1:08 PM
I don't think I'd be going there right now.
 
A melting pot of cultures... a crossroads between East and West
 
Didn't they just have a terrorist issue there?
 
And the food there is amazing
 
I bet it is.
 
I don't know.. went there about 3 years ago
 
1:09 PM
I was thinking they just had a bombing recently.
Anyway, this was all an exercise in fantasy.
 
It'll be fun... I just hope the paperwork gets sorted in time. And I need to plan for a cordless impact and label printer as well
 
haha ... get the Dewalt 1/2" drive ... it's good to 700 lb-ft, I believe.
 
I'm thinking Milwaukee
 
I have a Porter-Cable 1/4" drive which is good to 125 lb-ft ... it's an awesome little gun which expedites disassembly like you wouldn't believe.
Mine wouldn't work on exhaust, but it works for the little things.
 
gtg... have a visitor
 
1:14 PM
Later brother
be well.
 
 
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4:46 PM
@Zaid - When you get a chance, what year is your Lumina?
 
5:35 PM
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 2004
 
6:21 PM
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A: Why is my car hard to start only after a few hours?

user25025Pull all your spark plugs, careful not to mix them up in reference to Which Cylinder they were IN. Are ALL of them as BAD as That one you show us here? and IF that plug is the darkest, IS IT FROM THE CYLINDER that your FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR gets its vacuum suction from on the INTAKE RUNNER fee...

^ where does one start with this one?
 
@Zaid - Thanks
 
7:08 PM
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Q: How does the socket's mass work better?

Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2I have two impact sockets. Both of them drive fixtures which have 19mm heads. Both are driven by a 1/2" drive impact gun. Here is an image of the two sockets: The one on the left is an ordinary impact socket. It weighs in about 10oz (maybe?). The one on the right is one specifically designed t...

I had to ask ... I got the socket for Christmas. Don't leave home without it.
 
7:46 PM
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 where I live, some people will swear by products made in country X. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a response like "because one is made in the US, the other in Taiwan" :)
 
@Zaid - Hopefully that would get struck down as "not the answer" ...
... It's not a physics answer, that's for sure, lol.
@Zaid - We had the conversation about it here on The Pitstop (IIRC) ... I'm just hoping I can get a real answer as to why it works the way it does.
 
8:03 PM
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 I recall that conversation... we didn't arrive at a conclusion, did we?
 
@Zaid - I did (in my own mind) but I don't think I articulated it well. I'm trying to get some kind of physics backing (or disillusionment ... which ever way it goes, lol) for it.
 
Dare I take a stab at it (again)?
(btw I agreed with you last time we discussed this, and I still do)
Newton's First Law: an object travelling in motion will stay in motion unless it is acted on by an external force.

So in other words, applying an external force causes a change in speed
 
And a greater mass will stay in motion longer until a greater force causes a change in speed. (Equal and opposite reaction thingy, I think).
Besides getting some physics terms and possibly equations thrown at me over there, I put it up there so those guys on Physics could think about something other than string theory.
;-)
 
I'd say that's Newton's Second Law: F = ma

The rate of change of speed (acceleration) depends on the force applied and the mass of the object

↑ F leads to ↑ a
↑ m leads to ↓ a
Now let's bring in the impact driver
 
Well, you'd know more about the technical reasons behind Newton's second than I would, that's for sure!
 
8:13 PM
It acts in pulses. The physics-y term for this is *impulse*

Impulse = m*(v-u)
 
v & u = ??
 
Or in simple terms, impulse = mass * change in speed
 
v = velocity?
 
u = speed at the start of each "impulse"
v = speed at the end of "impulse"
 
v tends to mean final velocity and u tends to mean initial velocity
 
8:16 PM
Gotcha ... I'm following.
Or ... tracking ... :o)
 
Basically what's going to happen is that the rotational speed of the socket is going to follow a sort of zig-zag/sinusoidal trace
The impact driver is going to deliver a fixed amount of impulse
But the mass is different across the two sockets
 
Still tracking and concur.
 
It might be helpful to express the (v-u) in terms of average speed
 
That would track as well, I'd think.
 
Let's call the average speed avg
avg = ( u + v ) / 2
So v = 2 * avg - u
Or u = 2 * avg - v
 
8:21 PM
basic algebra
 
Let's substitute for u in the (v-u) term
v-u = v - ( 2 * avg - v ) = 2 * ( v - avg )
I think I got that right
This v term is annoying me
Alternatively: (v-u) = 2*(avg-u)
 
@Zaid - Something doesn't seem right here to my untrained eye.
 
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 before or after the edit?
 
I get that you are substituting (2 * avg - v) for u. I'm not seeing as how you get to the part after the second "="
Doesn't the "-" in front of the parens affect everything within the parens?
 
Oh. Expand the brackets...

v - ( 2 * avg - v )
= v - 2 * avg + v
= 2 * v - 2 * avg
= 2 * ( v - avg )
 
8:29 PM
Sadly I think it's going to be a circular substitution, you don't have enough info to determine v - u
 
Doesn't "avg" become "-avg" in that?
 
no
 
before you multiply by -2
 
@BadAtMaths I think you're right
 
I don't know enough about the physics of impact guns, but if they can spin up to the same speed then a heavier socket is going to have more angular momentum and will apply a larger torque
But that's a big if
 
8:31 PM
@BadAtMaths you need to see the video then
 
Are the sockets made of the same material?
 
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 could you bring up that link of the slo-mo video?
 
@BadAtMaths - Yes, both made of steel. Should be pretty close to the same density, just one of much greater mass.
@Zaid - I'll see if I can find it again.
 
@BadAtMaths it is a big if. If it's heavier then I expect it to spin slower
since the impact driver isn't going to change the amount of power it delivers
 
I like that he uses the magnet to hold the screws in place.
 
8:37 PM
As you say @Zaid it sounds like the power output is going to be fairly constant
 
@BadAtMaths do watch the video. The impulse-type nature of the driver makes it a bit harder to analyze
 
Wikipedia tells me that Power = Torque . Angular velocity. If the power is constant, and the angular velocity is less due to the higher mass of the socket then the torque must be greater
 
@BadAtMaths It has to be that the torque is higher, but how does one show that the angular velocity is less?
 
8:56 PM
Good question. I suppose you'd use an analogy similar to linear dynamics where using the same power to accelerate two objects of different mass, the lower mass object will accelerate faster and have a larger speed at any given moment
The same concept you can apply to angular momentum
 
Well I'm trying to make the equations sing a song but they're just not singing
 
It's just a thought
Will be interesting to see what the final answer is
 
@Zaid - Falling flat?
 
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 more like falling asleep :)
 
9:03 PM
but before I go
 
The equation is falling asleep or you are?
 
I wouldn't be concerned about the condition of this plug
Would you?
Would that explain the black spark plugs though, or is that a separate issue? — tgun926 3 mins ago
 
I wouldn't worry about the plug, but about what's being dumped into the cylinder.
 
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 that's what the OP's concerned about though... is it a sign of bigger issues?
 
I think it's running rich. Why it's running rich is a whole different issue.
It looks like the plug is working okay, though. The electrode is clean. Maybe the plug itself is too cold.
 
9:06 PM
The OP reports fuel rail pressure to be at 25 bar when the vehicle is on
 
I think I read that.
 
This drops to 6.86 bar when he switches it off
That is a huge drop
This is a GDI setup
 
Yah. Is this the only plug which looks like this or are there several?
 
6.86 bar is 100 psi
 
It is a huge drop. Should stay at the higher pressure for days.
 
9:08 PM
25 bar is 363 psi
 
25 bar? holy crap, that's really high.
Is this direct injected?
 
That's GDI for you :)
yessir
 
oh, then I don't really know if it's low or high.
 
oh, 50 - 100 bar is common on the high pressure rail:)
 
I believe the pressure at the injector should be a lot higher than 25 bar, but I'm not sure.
 
9:09 PM
That's 25 bar at idle, it peaks at 70 bar
 
100 bar would be ~1400 psi?
 
that's about right
1450 psi
 
yup
or even 1470? If we consider sea level to be 14.7psi?
No matter
It's in the neighborhood.
 
but let's put the numbers to one side... fuel rail pressure should not drop like a stone like that
(did I mention I was feeling sleepy? :)
 
The injectors could be dropping fuel like it's going out of style.
It could be low during running, which is why it's only at 25 bar, then continues to dump into the cylinder after shutdown which drops it further down to 6.86 bar.
Did you watch the GDI video I posted yesterday (I think it was)?
GDI injectors don't run on an "on/off" basis.
They run at different flow rates depending on the amount of voltage/current which is applied to them.
 
9:15 PM
I have yet to watch the video
 
It was enlightening to me.
 
Anyhow, I've got to sleep
I have work tomorrow
 
GO, brother. Be well and sleep deep.
I'll catch up with you in the morning.
 
Yes, and thanks for shoring up the numbers on the MAF experiment front
Much appreciated
 
@Zaid - I'll hopefully have some more for you soon.
 
 
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11:17 PM
F me. Finally got car back from shop. Today, it refused to start in a parking lot when I went out to play in the snow. Good thing the AAA lady was willing to whang on the starter for a while with her long breaker bar. Guess what I'll be replacing when the part comes in the mail....
 
11:49 PM
@Zaid - You agree with this: physics.stackexchange.com/a/303615/126550 ??
 

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