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Henry WH Hack v2.0

12:02 AM

Hello! :)

Journeyman Geek

@Dog apparently last year was harder on famous people than most

@allquixotic I have a 980TI

My upgrade cycle was a little earlier than both of you

@Bob 760T if you're installing an optical drive, 760D otherwise

also, cosair fan controllers are mostly worthless

@MyDaftQuestions oh, for a one off image, macrium reflect free works well.

Bob

12:29 AM

@JourneymanGeek why? 750D has optical drive bays, no?

Burgi

The NSA can fire lasers at your windows and work out what you are saying based on the vibrations of the glass. Also Elvis is still alive. — Burgi 12 secs ago

Ben N

The window laser thing is real, though I don't know if the NSA is using it much or at all

Dog

Ermm

Which Elvis?

Burgi

ALL OF THEM

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi the 760T seems to be designed so you can add a ODD without removing the front face

looks better ;p

but the 760D is generally better looking/designed I suspect

top facing USB ports suck ;p

Dog

12:42 AM

You've just lost all credibility Burgi

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek i didn't know that a 760T was a type of elvis

Journeyman Geek

ITS ALL ELVIS!

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. YOU'RE PROBABLY ELVIS! ITS ELVII ALL THE WAY DOWN!

Burgi

lol

Journeyman Geek

I mention Elvis and @ThatBrazilianGuy turns up? Coincidence or conspiracy?

2

Burgi

@Dog did i ever have credibility in your opinion?

Bob

12:44 AM

@JourneymanGeek ...was that supposed to be a reply to me? o.O

Journeyman Geek

Also, I prefer not to engage the obviously somewhat disturbed

@Bob yes

Bob

and yea I think I just generally like the 750D (Airflow one)'s look more

That Brazilian Guy

Bob

@JourneymanGeek my current ODD would actually match the 750D front face, I think lg.com/us/support-product/lg-BH10LS30

That Brazilian Guy

Rock Around The Clock - Raul Seixas

►

Bob

12:45 AM

eww bad photo

Journeyman Geek

They really ought to either have mesh front faceplates or make mesh compatible ODDs

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, it's not like the whole 750D front is mesh

only the bottom bit

the top is flat

Journeyman Geek

(also, its cold today. Wearing a hoodie indoors)

@Bob my 600T is all mesh ;p

Burgi

i think tomorrow is going to be fix steam streaming day

That Brazilian Guy

Raul... 16yo... Hm... I think we might be unto something here....

Bob

12:49 AM

@JourneymanGeek my current case has mesh front plates :P

looks alright with the ODD replacing the top one

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek OMG @Rahul2001 IS INVOLVED IN THE ELVIS CONSPIRACY!

Journeyman Geek

I'm wondering if superuser.com/questions/1160860/… is an aibobot question

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek it will go HNQ if you answer it though

Journeyman Geek

I think the question is, is it worth non modly grumpyness

Psycogeek

theverge.com/2016/12/27/14089836/… talking computer to make first appearances in murder trial? it is no longer a movie :-) it is real

and in other news abcnews.go.com/US/… teens mall the malls , is it the end of brick and morter stores, cause all them teens buy Online anyways .

Journeyman Geek

1:00 AM

hm

am I misremembering that some USB cables have resistors in them for voltage draw?

or is that just type C?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek just c, and that was for cable id

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek usb high speed charging was first done with "tying the data lines" using resisters. that doesnt apply specific to all cables.

Bob

just c to a really

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek I'm trying to scare someone so it'll do.

Bob

proper c to c should connect the cc line through

c to a put a resistor on the cc line for id

Psycogeek

1:08 AM

generally adding in any resistance to the 2 power wire connetions, would just reduce the power going to anything (and would serve no purpose). the resisters applied in those situations to the data lines, was just an identificator that it could draw more than the 500ma. While it could be IN the cables it was more often in the charging device.

bwDraco

Attention XP and Vista users: Mozilla will terminate Firefox support around September 2017, with security updates only (migration to ESR) starting March

Bob

@bwDraco ....I get the feeling no one in this room would care.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

Also fyi Sept is when they review it, not final termination of support.

Journeyman Geek

also. as with OS/2...

there's likely to be less famous browser options

people used to use k-meleon as a fairly modern/supported browser on older windows

bwDraco

1:15 AM

> "We expect to continue to provide security updates for [Windows XP and Windows Vista] users until September 2017,” the firm said. “In mid-2017, user numbers on Windows XP and Vista will be reassessed and a final support end date will be announced."

Journeyman Geek

I hate it when (new) people come in and post the very same answer on multiple posts

Now I need to decide if they're dupes or not

Rahul2001

@ThatBrazilianGuy !? O_O

Journeyman Geek

eh. His answers are crap.

oh well, sorted

@Rahul2001 ARE YOU?

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I've seen it happen several times. They're usually either spam, not answers, or very low quality.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I'm waffling whether its spam but user will likely be auto-answer banned so meh

Rahul2001

1:34 AM

@JourneymanGeek I... don't think so

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 that's exactly what elvis would say...

just with an accent.

Rahul2001

xD

Journeyman Geek

2:00 AM

hm

Apparently I'm not running e10 cause oneliner and @OliverSalzburg's chat reply helper arn't e10 compatible

Dog

FLOOF

Burgi

2:15 AM

fox like typing detected

Journeyman Geek

ninjamodchanges @Dog's nick to @fox

Dog

No you didn't

Journeyman Geek

2:47 AM

Oh, everyone else sees it

(No I didn't. I wouldn't ever abuse mod powers ;p)

Dog

3:10 AM

Huh. Somehow manage to keep crashing mpc-hc with out of memory errors

Ironically the 64-bit version uses 1/4 as much RAM despite "having memory leaks" being listed as a known bug...

allquixotic

3:31 AM

Leia memorial in SWTOR

Journeyman Geek

@Dog 0_0

I've never managed that

allquixotic

Henry WH Hack v2.0

4:17 AM

I'm planning on entering the IOT.SE moderator nomination in operation moderation or as I will like to call it playing with fire.

LOL! :D

Journeyman Geek

Be careful what you wish for

You might get elected.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek you make it sound like it's a lot of work or something to be a mod ;)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic there's days ;p

Its not really that hard

Just the occational days when you want to leave a gift in someone's shoes.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

If JourneymanGeek can do it so can I!

Psycogeek

@allquixotic looks like the sports stadium after a hurricane hits. better get somone in there crafting porta-potties.

Journeyman Geek

4:24 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.0 ahahahahahahaha

Henry WH Hack v2.0

;D

~~Spam!^~~ Not Confirmed

Journeyman Geek

@HenryWHHackv2.0 I had about 4 years experience on the site, I think 20k and a perfect candidate score with over 2000 flags. I'm sure it's trivial.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I can learn something from this guy!^

Journeyman Geek

Yes. Talk less. Do more.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

4:40 AM

We are all moderators on SE in our own way! :)

I think.

Good Bye! :)

bwDraco

...and a long road ahead of me as I need to work on soft skills.

The most critical moderation skill is learning to handle situations as peacefully as possible, and minimizing disruption when things do get out of hand. That means understanding the intent of others and ensuring that every mod action carries just the right amount of impact to stop the problem behavior without causing undue disruption.

Right, @JourneymanGeek?

I also need to get back to reviewing and contributing on the main site.

Journeyman Geek

I don't think that far :p

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek That's because you already have the soft skills. It comes natural to you.

Work on building critical social and leadership skills is already in an advanced stage of planning with goals set for the next six to nine months.

A full-time job is expected by the middle of 2017, with a rapid ramp-up in outside social interaction planned over the coming weeks.

My mother still has some concerns but she does recognize that improvements in soft skills are desparately needed. After all, it's not just for me to become a more valuable contributer on Super User and Stack Exchange, it's for my career.

XKCD

5:02 AM

Sometimes, parts of a slowly-rising mountain suddenly rises REALLY fast, which is extra interesting.

Psycogeek

ahh blast these capchas never work right for me

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I worked... 2 months in the last year

Psycogeek

I think that one was on my SATs

Journeyman Geek

Unless SE hires me , I'm pretty doubtful my internet social skills here will ever result in me getting a job ;p

Even if they do, its likely to be a combination of factors

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I realize that you've been out of work for a while, but you actively seek out jobs and spent considerable time outside and in the workplace. We're in a transitional phase right now as our house is undergoing extensive renovations, and I need to spend some time building my skills for the future.

Journeyman Geek

5:11 AM

@bwDraco internet social skills and realworld social skills are totally different.

bwDraco

I just lack adequate experience in the outside world.

Not totally. There is considerable overlap.

Journeyman Geek

and to be honest, the best person to learn real world social skills from... is a dog

bwDraco

My parents do not want a large pet.

Oct 2 at 4:13, by bwDraco

I was never properly taught to be self-sufficient, nor was I given any major responsibilities such as managing a large pet (cat, dog, etc.). My parents never had much confidence that I could be self-reliant, which is why I've always been less mature than I should be. I'm in a much worse position than a lot of young adults.

Again, major changes planned for the coming months.

Nov 16 '14 at 6:56, by DragonLord

My actions in cyberspace reflect my real-world personality, and I'm running a huge personal project to fix these issues.

Soft skills learned in the outside world transfer, at least to some degree, to cyberspace.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco or at least a hypothetical dog.

Psycogeek

@bwDraco so the fire breathing dragon was not an option? you could always watch a goldfish die, that teaches a lot :-) then have you a hamster that dies under the refrigerator. then get a cat, , that hates you and claws everyone. after those wonderfull learning experiences get a dog, who then eats the guinney pigs. yea some of us should just have a ant farm :-)

bwDraco

5:20 AM

I've always wanted to keep a couple of mice or rats.

They're a lot less work than cats or dogs.

We used to have fishes, but I didn't play any significant role in maintaining them. (We don't presently have any plans to put together another aquarium.)

Plus, those little rodents are adorable :)

Psycogeek

there are moderators in existance that would kick a sleeping dog, they are still somewhat effective, if you like a whole forum of onliners walking on eggshells

bwDraco

Pets teach responsibility, not social or leadership skills. That's why I'm planning to spend more time in the outside world socializing with others.

It still feels awkward at times, but I should get more confident as my skills improve.

Psycogeek

play more football, they pay you to beat people :-)

Journeyman Geek

lol

@bwDraco walking a dog forces you to interact with people

and dogs are usually the most social creatures on the planet

bwDraco

I recognize that, but this doesn't work with my family.

Journeyman Geek

5:26 AM

But I didn't say "get a dog"

I said learn from dogs.

bwDraco

I'm a bit confused here. Care to explain?

Journeyman Geek

Well, many of the skills one uses to deal with dogs also works with people

positive reinforcement for example.

Psycogeek

how many ways can you call a dog stupid, and still have him wagging his tail :-)

Journeyman Geek

and as a whole, a well trained dog is a patient yet somewhat sneaky creature.

er. See that's impulsive

Why not go volunteer at a local shelter?

Psycogeek

learn skills like , taking a bone from a pitbull , and walking away with your hand.

bwDraco

5:30 AM

Well, I have already suggested volunteering at a food pantry...

That can achieve similar goals without interacting with animals.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek pitbulls are somewhat misunderstood

They're not actually an agressive breed

bwDraco

^^^ Agreed. I see pitbulls all the time in the city and they are not normally aggressive.

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek true, but they still have Jaws that make getting that tennis ball out a challenge.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek training tho

a well trained dog will drop the ball since he knows that's the best way to go fetch again

in a sense, dogs socially engineer humans ;)

Psycogeek

it is on topic :-) moderating a forum is like getting brittany spears chiwawa out of her purse without a fuss .

it can be done, its just that not everyone can or wants to do it :-)

Journeyman Geek

5:35 AM

@Psycogeek or herding snauzers :)

bwDraco

I will evaluate every option available and seize every opportunity to build soft skills.

Journeyman Geek

anyway

@bwDraco ever heard of temple grandin?

Bob

meow

bwDraco

No, not even familiar with the topic of animal interaction.

Journeyman Geek

ah hah. so you have.

Psycogeek

5:38 AM

a suspention is like leaving your dog in a kennels, terrible place to be, but they learn 6 new ways to bark , learn to not get caught/trapped again, ahd they return with a vengefull mindset :-)

bwDraco

I'm just not into this.

Journeyman Geek

Not the person, the ideas.

bwDraco

Why do you insist on caring for an animal?

Journeyman Geek

Well, in the most basic sense, you're trading something for something else.

Psycogeek

@bwDraco wholly cheaper than wife and kids

Journeyman Geek

5:41 AM

Also, its very hard to say no to this

Psycogeek

even female dogs are easy to figure out , live with , deal with, understand.

Journeyman Geek

(This was the week we 'formally' adopted him)

Psycogeek

nice haircut

Psycogeek

5:53 AM

if a fight gets started , dont get your hand in there right away, joining it.

see how that applies?

once the fight is over, convincing the parties how stupid that was , while they are still licking the wounds , then they would tend to agree with you :-)

bwDraco

Dec 4 at 7:40, by bwDraco

I had (wisely 😛) pulled out before it got too far.

Psycogeek

6:16 AM

i think my experience with dogs and people might be completely different than JMGs . here we are sub-urban , many people with dogs. when i take my dog to a "city" the big lots of people mny apartments , high rent, city , people are very different.

here , enough people have dogs, it isnt special at all, and they get in more situations, where you have to control everything, or stop controlling anything (dog park)

In the big city, my dog got treated more like i had a unicorn

Boris_yo

Schrödinger's cat

Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, sometimes described as a paradox, devised by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics applied to everyday objects. The scenario presents a cat that may be simultaneously both alive and dead, a state known as a quantum superposition, as a result of being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur. The thought experiment is also often featured in theoretical discussions of the interpretations of quantum mechanics. Schrödinger coined the...

Interesting...

Psycogeek

in the city people were more like "is that a dog?" "i wish i had one", "can i pet him," etc

Boris_yo

@allquixotic I will be trying Xiaomi 10,000mAh and LifeCharge 13,000mAh power packs on TP-LINK travel router. As long as voltage is 5.1V consistent it should work. Wonder for how long juice will be sufficient...

Journeyman Geek

6:37 AM

@Psycogeek Ash is trained to back off on command.

One should never fear. One needs to realise when a fight is not worth it

@Psycogeek my area has a ton of dogs due to a quirk of demographics

mixed sizes too

There's even a local rodesian ridgeback

Psycogeek

lol the ridgeback dogs think my dog is for hunting :-) although they can get along in the park

bwDraco

39 mins ago, by bwDraco

Dec 4 at 7:40, by bwDraco

I had (wisely 😛) pulled out before it got too far.

Journeyman Geek

Most of them are fine. Tho one keeps trying to pee on me.

Bob

woof

Psycogeek

I think my dog will cool it, on command shouted loudly. but the spazo estate dog wont stop so easily.
on approaches to some people most dogs , and cats and ducks and all, the estate dog seems to be adding a stalking move at the end of the leash. So much fun. Head and body down , pulling on the leash.
because I didnt teach him any of his stupid, I dont really know how to unteach it?

Journeyman Geek

6:48 AM

ahh, see, the clever part is he goes sits down next to the nearest human

Psycogeek

lol where he feels safe?

Journeyman Geek

Well, kinda

He probably would not back down otherwise

I've had to pull him off a full grown husky once.

and he would fight pretty dirty.

Psycogeek

ahh dirty, my dogs are too excited to think at that point. Would be funny if they had a few tricks other than jumping around tying me up with the leashes, and making noises.

either ONE of them walked one at a time , is simple. both they instantally become a team of gang members who just left the bar drunk,

is not that different from when we were kids. One kid alone, unlikely to get into trouble or even have cool adventures. but 2 or more together and the neighborhood beware.

Journeyman Geek

he's smart enough to do this goo.gl/photos/kw3Fe63HYTEH2nzA8

wasn't trained or anything

Michael Timmerman

i have programmed my dog to follow Asimov's 3 laws. he's plotting to kill me

Alan Watch

7:08 AM

I find about a port number 9339 which is registered to a gaming company called supercell. Now if other 48,000 online services register to own other 48000 port then doesn't it mean that all ports get exhausted?

Journeyman Geek

no

Alan Watch

why do they need to register a port if they already own a static IP?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelTimmerman If a dog wanted you dead you would be

Alan Watch

@JourneymanGeek why no?

Journeyman Geek

@AlanWatch er. You know there's such a thing as "there's no such thing as a dumb question?"

That's a dumb question.

or more correctly, you're asking the wrong question

For the no en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeral_port

for the "why do they need to register a port if they already own a static IP?"

It basically means "hey, we're using this port. If you use this port, it might not work if the system is using my service"

Which is rarely the case of course.

also worth a read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_(computer_networking)

But essentially. No. It does not work like that at all.

hell, I could run the same port on two different IP address on the same server.

Do we need a terrible library/postal analogy?

Psycogeek

7:19 AM

yea where does it say that a specific game of any kind in any OS is restricted , forced, or registered to a specific port? a software may use a specific port, which is known so people can route it, block it, tunnel it or vpn it or something, but "port"s are not registered by an authority to keep everyone organised?

Alan Watch

"hell I could run the same port on 2 different IP" exactly I was asking the same thing..2 different static IP can use the same port for the communication with the client then there is no need to register a port

Journeyman Geek

@AlanWatch eh. kinda sorta

You couldn't run a mail server easily outside the well known port.

Basically its a way of saying "we have dibs on this port, and if things break, its your fault"

there's nothing stopping me from running a web server on that port

or any other port

Psycogeek

and configuring all the software talking to it to the same

Journeyman Geek

but "running out" makes it sound like a finite resource and if you use it, the ip police will not burst into your house and drag you out in chains ;p

and once the initial connection is made you often have communication over many ports

 TCP    192.168.1.110:6645     ec2-52-201-140-212:https  ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.1.110:6652     ec2-52-87-151-152:https  ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.1.110:6655     ec2-54-169-143-1:https  ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.1.110:7395     stackoverflow:https    ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.1.110:8613     6:https                ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.1.110:8778     6:https                ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.1.110:9538     stackoverflow:https    ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.1.110:10381    stackoverflow:https    ESTABLISHED

That's why you see stuff like this in netstat

Alan Watch

ok so here registering a port from IANA simply means that "yes, we offer our services on this port but we don't own it in anyway"

Journeyman Geek

7:26 AM

kinda

lol

iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/…

AHAHAHAHAHA

 ************************************************************************
 * PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING:                                           *
 *                                                                      *
 * ASSIGNMENT OF A PORT NUMBER DOES NOT IN ANY WAY IMPLY AN             *
 * ENDORSEMENT OF AN APPLICATION OR PRODUCT, AND THE FACT THAT NETWORK  *
 * TRAFFIC IS FLOWING TO OR FROM A REGISTERED PORT DOES NOT MEAN THAT   *
 * IT IS "GOOD" TRAFFIC, NOR THAT IT NECESSARILY CORRESPONDS TO THE     *

@AlanWatch ^ The RFC says exactly that.

Oh

It might be used for things like a quick nmap scan

where it goes "this port is open, its probably foo"

Which comes back to "this is the wrong question"

(and ended up on an entirely unintended and entertaining tangent)

So, a registered port means "if people see something listening to this port, they're likely to assume its what its registered for"

Alan Watch

7:42 AM

if I run a public server, do I need to register it with IANA to assign me a port or can I pick any random port from 1024 to 49151?

Journeyman Geek

No. Yes

But the people running the client would need to know the port, if its not implicit

Actually, web servers are a great example.

There's a well known port - 80 that's implicit

or you have to add :XX at the end

Bob

@JourneymanGeek gah, now you've confused me

and I'm no longer sure of my 750D/760T choice :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob about ip addresses and ports or...? ;p

hm

Bob

@JourneymanGeek cases

Journeyman Geek

I'd go for the one with the proper front USB ports, and without the cd drive button.

bwDraco

7:47 AM

2

Q: Stop SD card from constantly unmounting due to underpowered

I had problems with constant unmounting of my SD card from phone when it was not on charger. The problem was with powering off some power when disabling display to save energy, but this power was needed to keep SD card mounted. My phone is LG Optimus L1 II E410, but from what I found during my l...

Journeyman Geek

close as... oh wait

Bob

@JourneymanGeek proper?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob top mounted ports suck

Bob

actually, the top ports might be less susceptible to getting snapped off...

@JourneymanGeek how so?

bwDraco

I've had it with my Nexus 9 turning off the attached USB device when the screen is off.

Journeyman Geek

7:48 AM

I need to reach up to put things in since ~~its twice my height~~ its on my desk

Prolly better if its on the floor, but front ports FTW

Bob

> First, I took my soldering iron and heat all MicroSD card metal contacts for approximately 10 seconds.

wat

@JourneymanGeek oh, mine's on the floor

Journeyman Geek

I'd prefer front ports personally

10 seconds is... much too long.

and would met the plastic.

and what the whaaaaat?

!!what

Bob

why is he heating them at all?

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

why is a soldering iron involved?

I'm so confused

Journeyman Geek

7:50 AM

@Bob too much plastic fumes.

Bob

> I thought if hot temperature caused the problem, it might be also the solution to it.

That's... interesting logic.

"If a bullet wound causes harm, we should shoot the wound."

Journeyman Geek

....

I WAS ABOUT TO THE SAY THE SAME ANALOGY

GOOMHB.

Bob

lol

your one probably would've sounded better

Journeyman Geek

"Its like if you're gutshot and bleeding to death, so you shoot yourself in the gut to heal yourself"

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, that one sounds much better.

my god

this question stackoverflow.com/questions/41355605/…

it's on HNQ

it's a okay-ish question, a tad poor

Psycogeek

7:55 AM

after being gut shot, you probably want to then shoot yourself in the head , if you want to stop the pain ;-0

Bob

all the answers are completely horribad

Psycogeek

if you want to use a port, you MUST talk to the port Czar first tools.ietf.org/html/rfc349 Jon Postel , who probably died a few years ago.

because if your a computer science major at UCLA , then you know everything and should control all use of ports :-)

Bob

@Psycogeek If you follow the chain of obsoletions, it goes to tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3232

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I could have made a homeopathy joke, but I'd need to water it down...

Psycogeek

what got me when I was first making up my own IP range for local use was , people saying i couldnt use the 10.??,?? block for my home network because it was reserved for special peoples , at the time I was confused why everyone was using the same 192.168 type of routing, when (in my limited knowlege) the use of knowns would make it easy to hack into the next level of my routing,

Journeyman Geek

8:07 AM

Actually it's cause few people need a bigger block.

Psycogeek

They couldnt sufficiently explain how i was getting in anyones Way, or bothering anyone , when it was just the home connects. But they hd me convinced that the IP (internet police) would track me down :-) for using thier numbers :-)

Journeyman Geek

Heck. Can't think of anyone here with more than 30 in use devices

bwDraco

Most home routers don't even support that many devices.

NETGEAR home routers, for example, have a limit of 32 clients per wireless band.

Even if it can, you'd be placing huge demands on the infrastructure well beyond what the hardware is designed to handle.

A large smart home may have a bunch of IoT devices on 2.4 GHz and several PCs and mobile devices on 5 GHz, but you'd be hard-pressed to put more than a few dozen devices on the network.

Psycogeek

from what some people say about wireLESS 3 clients activly trying to do heavy i/o activity chokes the poor things alone.

bwDraco

MU-MIMO aims to address this.

Psycogeek

8:19 AM

well even 3 people trying to pull the full bandwidth with Wires , something chokes.

bwDraco

Instead of just time-sharing the bandwidth and wasting the extra spatial streams (e.g. less than one-half of the bandwidth of a 4x4 MIMO is usable if your network consists of 1x1 and 2x2 devices only)...

...MU-MIMO lets multiple devices use the spatial streams simultaneously. A 4x4 MU-MIMO router can handle two 1x1 devices and a 2x2 device all at once without cycling through them round-robin.

It requires client support, although legacy devices will still communicate like they used to (technically known as time-division multiple access, or TDMA) without breaking MU-MIMO for capable clients. Essentially, MU-MIMO devices can still share time slices while legacy devices continue to get individial time slices.

@Psycogeek That's what QoS is for.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek with crappy consumer routers.... Yeah.

Psycogeek

I think i used QOS, then a limiter, and after much research i ended up with, just waiting till the other user finished with full speed , in short time, then i would start and also finish in record time.,

sorta like using 2 programs that are 100% multithreaded, just let one finish. plus in that case the caches and all would be more effective.

bwDraco

I've never had any bandwidth contention issues with my Nighthawk X4S, an 802.11ac Wave 2 router with MU-MIMO support.

Psycogeek

8:35 AM

did you have anyone who contended to need your whole bandwith at the same time as you were using it?

like cant most people stop thier torrents for a few minutes of pure speed?

bwDraco

I've streamed video at the same time as my running large Steam downloads with absolutely zero trouble.

Nov 25 at 0:17, by bwDraco

Dynamic QoS works as designed :)

Psycogeek

they say at these RV park places with the WiFI in them is just not even usable at all. I wonder still if i can tromp on them, to get for Me me me, if only for short times.

like they open 6 connections, i open 100, choke them out of existance :-)

get finished up, and get back off thier nasty connections

that is important when the LTE 4 g or whatever costs 1 unborn child, and 2 kidneys

bwDraco

lol

It's getting way too late here. Nighty-night.

Journeyman Geek

My D-Link would die if you looked at it funny. My Asus handles a few hundred gigs a month easy.

Depends on the router. And connection and many many things

bwDraco

smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/…

The Nighthawk X4S aces the MU-MIMO test \o/