English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

ktm5124

1:29 AM

"Being more formal than would be normal" — nice rhyme!

Cerberus

1:39 AM

O, Norma, quae forma!

ktm5124

Haha

How exactly would you translate that? I'm guessing, "O, Normal, what form!" (quae = interrog. adj.) But might there be an implicit es/est?

The other guess, "O Normal, what beauty!" (Perhaps meant ironically.)

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Cerberus

1:58 AM

@ktm5124 Both are correct, I should think.

But I was actually thinking of the opera Norma.

Casta Diva (Maria Callas)

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ktm5124

@Cerberus Oh, haha! I didn't know about the opera. Thanks.

Do you like opera?

Cerberus

2:20 AM

Sure, don't you?

They can be a bit long, though...

ktm5124

I do. I saw a few at the opera house in my city. I really liked Tannhauser.

I'm more a fan of classical music, though.

Cerberus

I don't think I've ever seen Tannhäuser.

You don't consider opera classical?

ktm5124

I do! That's part of what attracted me.

The music to Tannhauser is really nice. In fact, I might listen to it now.

Ponte Singers: Pilgrim's Chorus (Tannhäuser) by R. Wagner

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Cerberus

2:35 AM

OK I was wondering about your though.

I was already listening to some other version!

ktm5124

Oh, neat!

Well, I do consider opera classical. But I guess attending the symphony is a different experience than attending the opera. That's probably what I meant, but I didn't articulate it very well.

Also, it's hard to listen to an entire opera from home; whereas, it's easier to listen to a full-length symphony at home.

tchrist

@ktm5124 Well, length.

Cerberus

Ah, OK.

ktm5124

I tend to become obsessed with second movements. Last year it was the second movement of Beethoven's 7th. This year it was the second movement of Mozart's 41st symphony.

Cerberus

I do play an opera from Youtube now and then.

Are you a numerologist, perchance?

ktm5124

2:46 AM

Haha, no, I hadn't even heard of the word.

I'm guessing it has to do with the structure of symphonies. The second movement might give a composer the most freedom.

The 1st and 3rd are often lighthearted. The 4th has to spend some time recapitulating. But the 2nd can develop some really moving motifs.

Cerberus

Ah, in that way.

Interesting.

tchrist

3:28 AM

@ktm5124 "Lighthearted"? Well. The 2nd should contrast with the 1st, always. You certainly can't call the scherzo 2nd of the 9th light-hearted can you?

Now you're going to tell me what scherzo really means, aren't you? :)

Scherzando in music means playfully, playing around.

But it's awfully manic there, don't you think?

I remember being consumed by the 7th. More than thirty years ago.

You can do this movement-contrasting game with sonatas, too.

Ok, it's completely impossible to code while Beethoven is playing. But it is awfully fulfilling to destroy all the spammers with said accompaniment. :) This must mean something.

It must mean I'm not actually engaging the thinking part of my brain while I'm fighting spam. Interesting.

Oh, this may not be that way for other people. My brain is wired funny from starting music so young. All musicians are.

Færd

3:51 AM

> Fair schmair!

> Too soon too schmoon!

That schm.

tchrist

schmooze

Verb: schmooze ‎(third-person singular simple present schmoozes, present participle schmoozing, simple past and past participle schmoozed)

To talk casually, especially in order to gain an advantage or make a social connection
I wish he could do his job as well as he schmoozes with the boss.

Noun: schmooze ‎(plural schmoozes)

A casual conversation, especially one held in order to gain an advantage or make a social connection....

> schm- [pref.]
× schmagagi → schmegeggy
schmaltz [n.]
schmaltz [v.]
› schmaltz herring ← schmaltz
ˈschmal(t)ziness ← schmaltzy
schmaltzy [adj.]
schmatte [n.]
schmeck [n.]
ˈschmecker ← schmeck
schmeer [n.]
schmegeggy [n.]
Schmeisser [n.]
schmelz [n.]
‖ Schmelzglas ← schmelz
schmendrik [n.]
‖ schmerz [n.]
Schmidt [n.1]
Schmidt [n.2]
Schmidt camera ← Schmidt
Schmidt correcting lens ← Schmidt
Schmidt number [n.]
› Schmidt(’s) reaction ← Schmidt
Schmidt telescope ← Schmidt
‖ schmierkäse [n.]
Schmitt [n.]

Færd

schm-

== English == === Alternative forms === shm- === Etymology === Imitative of many Yiddish words such as schmaltz or schmuck === Prefix === schm- Used to form a reduplicated rhyming compound of any word in order to express disparagement, dismissal, or derision. "I have to tell you, madam, that your son is suffering from an Oedipus complex." "Oedipus, Schmoedipus! What does it matter, so long as he loves his mother?" — Jewish joke...

Yep.

ktm5124

@tchrist Right after I typed that, I thought to myself that I was oversimplifying, if not outright wrong.

@tchrist I absolutely love the 7th! I also love the 5th, 6th, and 9th.

Færd

Some years back, I was obsessed with the second movement of one of his late quartets. I forget which one now.

tchrist

Yup, those are the one I usually listen to.

ktm5124

3:59 AM

My first loves in classical music were Rachmaninoff and Beethoven. Then Baroque music. Lastly, Mozart.

I got really into Bach's Passcaglia and Fugue in C minor, and Handel's Messiah.

tchrist

Messiah is just the right length. So is the Bm. St Matt's, probably not.

Rider, Quartet No. 59 in G minor - Haydn [HD]

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ktm5124

I had a hard time appreciating Handel's Water Music. I haven't really found anything else by him that I've fallen in love with.

(Perhaps I should give that a shot!)

Robusto

@tchrist And yet ... and yet ... the St. Matthew Passion is positively sublime.

tchrist

@Robusto No arguments. But you need a piss break.

Robusto

@Cerberus I didn't know YouTube wrote any operas. Are they good?

@tchrist I need a piss break for a lotta things, and few are as pleasurable as Bach.

ktm5124

4:03 AM

I haven't really paid attention to Bach's St. Matthew's Passion.

tchrist

Oh.

ktm5124

Would you rank it as one of his best?

Robusto

@ktm5124 You have to remember that Bach was a highly religious person, and he was at his absolute best when dealing with those subjects.

tchrist

@ktm5124 Hast du also kein Deutsch? But yes.

Robusto

@ktm5124 I would say The SMP is perhaps the best thing he ever did.

But he did so many sublime things, it's hard to make that statement.

The Messe in H-moll is certainly up there.

ktm5124

4:05 AM

@tchrist I learned a few German words, but that's about it!

tchrist

It's ok. It will grow on you. But it's not Latin.

Robusto

His cantatas can be sublime as well.

ktm5124

@tchrist What instrument(s) do you play?

tchrist

Still, I know it well enough for the German to echo forever.

@ktm5124 Piano alone.

ktm5124

Neat.

tchrist

4:06 AM

I've sung "all" the great choral works, some many times.

ktm5124

Does that mean you've participated in choirs?

tchrist

Yes.

ktm5124

Very cool.

My favorite choral work is probably Mozart's Requiem.

Robusto

Are you singing in any in Boulder?

@ktm5124 Try the Berlioz Requiem sometime.

ktm5124

@Robusto I've heard of Berlioz, but haven't paid him enough attention. Someone else recommended the Symphonie Fantastique.

Robusto

4:09 AM

I tried to get Tom to listen to the Sanctus a while back but he refused.

Berlioz - Grande Messe des Morts (Requiem): Sanctus (6/7)

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@ktm5124 Yes, it's excellent. But try the Requiem as well.

tchrist

@Robusto No. I need to fix that.

Robusto

Yeah, you gotta have music in your life.

I mean to play.

If I didn't have the keyboard I'd go crazy.

tchrist

It helps.

Robusto

This month I'm working on this:

Sara Daneshpour. Tchaikovsky—The Seasons, December.Op. 37

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In honor of the season, obviously.

ktm5124

Neat.

Robusto

4:14 AM

Speaking of SWRs (I see from the starboard) I wish those would just go away. What is ELU, some kind of glorified thesaurus?

ktm5124

I don't get the claim that ELU should be for serious linguists only. Don't we have Linguistics for that?

Robusto

@ktm5124 Serious linguists and English enthusiasts.

"English Language & Usage Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for linguists, etymologists, and serious English language enthusiasts."

ktm5124

I see.

Robusto

Well ... it was never that.

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Any of it.

We've been scrubbing toilets in our formal wear here, if you ask me.

ktm5124

Likely, there are still many good questions. There are just so many questions that the good ones seem more scarce than they are.

Robusto

4:17 AM

There have been some decent questions and answers, but those are few and far between. And the longer this drags on, the fewer and farther between they become.

ktm5124

It might be that ELL is more advanced than ELU.

I just glanced at their forum and it looked quite impressive.

tchrist

Bach - Sarabande in D minor - Anne-Sophie Mutter

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Robusto

@tchrist A gorgeous piece.

tchrist

Words fail.

Robusto

@ktm5124 ELL gets the really primitive questions.

tchrist

4:19 AM

Interesting encore choice after Beethoven's D violin concerto.

Færd

@Robusto If you were presented with that for the first time and were told it was named after a month of the year, would you be able to name that month?

tchrist

@Robusto It's hard not to cry.

Robusto

@Færd I doubt it. That's not the point, though.

tchrist

It makes you feel, feel so, much.

Robusto

@tchrist By the time I get to this part I'm usually pretty moist:

Færd

4:21 AM

Tchrist is melting.

Robusto

Bach - St. Matthew Passion - Truly this was the son of god

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tchrist

Well of course. Always.

I think it's made for that.

Robusto

Pretty much.

ktm5124

@Robusto I think that ELL gets more interesting questions.

Robusto

@ktm5124 wags hand, thumb and little finger out in the sign of equivocation

ktm5124

4:22 AM

Compare the latest ELU question (english.stackexchange.com/questions/362302/adjective-vs-adverb) with the latest from ELL (ell.stackexchange.com/questions/111696/…)

Robusto

You'd have to have a random sampling of multiple questions. The one-question indicator tells nothing.

tchrist

J. S. Bach - Suite No. 2 in D minor, BWV 1008: 4. Sarabande

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That makes 2 Dm sarabandes, in case anybody's counting.

Robusto

Glenn Gould plays Bach - The Goldberg Variations, BMV 998 (Zenph re-performance)

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Check out the first comment.

ktm5124

If we compare the next latest question of each site, here's the one from ELU and the one from ELL.

The first is a SWR, whereas the second is an interesting grammar question.

Robusto

Oops, posted the wrong one.

@ktm5124 At the end of the day, all you'll even win is an argument. Much more profitable to discuss music.

ktm5124

4:26 AM

Haha. True.

I think that the phrase "single word request", or its acronym "SWR", has become a conversation starter!

But unfortunately it only starts depressing conversations...

I should be more wary of this in the future.

Resist the temptation when I see those words.

Robusto

Yeah. Why I don't come here much at all anymore.

ktm5124

Do you think Mozart would have been the greatest had he lived as long as Bach or Beethoven?

Robusto

@ktm5124 Mozart was absolutely divine.

Anna Moffo; "Ach, ich fühl's"; Die Zauberflöte; Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

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ktm5124

I'm a little baffled that he wrote so many more symphonies than Beethoven.

Robusto

You can't do better than an aria like that.

Færd

4:31 AM

@Robusto Yeah, maybe it's not the point. I wondered because you said "in honor of the season".

But some people seem to believe that music can be suggestive of definite ideas. I never understood them, except when the music was filled with hints and such.

ktm5124

I think it definitely is!

It's filled with the emotions of the composer.

Take Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony, for example, which is filled with notes of despair.

Robusto

@ktm5124 Two reasons: (1) they were classical symphonies, and (2) he was absolutely gifted with musical ideas. His big problem was writing it all down. He would compose in his head and then play cards, writing the music down between hands.

@Færd The difference between program music and absolute music, I guess. Richard Strauss was one of the best at the former. But it wasn't representational the way painting can be. That's a different story.

ktm5124

@Robusto What would you say Beethoven's gift was?

Robusto

@ktm5124 At the risk of being glib, music. He was able to write passion, true and deep, like almost nobody else in the history of music.

ktm5124

I feel like his music is incredibly expressive, i.e. expressive of emotion. More so than Mozart, although Mozart can be expressive as well, such as his 8th sonata.

Ah, I was composing my reply right as I received yours! We are on the same page.

Passion is the right word.

Robusto

4:36 AM

@ktm5124 No, not more so than Mozart, just differently from Mozart. Listen to that aria I posted above and tell me if you don't think that is expressive.

ktm5124

Interesting, I will listen to it sometime. (Right now it's a bit hard since there is already music playing in the room.)

Robusto

Ach, ich fühl's, es ist verschwunden,		Ah, I feel it, it has disappeared
Ewig hin der Liebe Glück!			Forever gone  love's  happiness!
Nimmer kommt ihr Wonnestunde			Nevermore will come the hour of bliss
Meinem Herzen mehr zurück!			Back to my heart!
Sieh', Tamino, diese Tränen,			See, Tamino, these tears,
Fließen, Trauter, dir allein!			Flowing, beloved,  for you alone!
Fühlst du nicht der Liebe Sehnen,		If you don't feel the longing of love
So wird Ruh' im Tode sein!			Then there will be peace in death!

ktm5124

Thanks for that.

Yeah, I guess they are expressive in different ways. Though perhaps you could say Beethoven's is more passionate.

Robusto

Mozart was also more playful than Beethoven. And more lyrical. In fact, that's one of the ways you can tell the difference between a Mozart piece and, say, a piece by Haydn. Mozart's always so lyrical, his pieces all sound like operas.

ktm5124

Yes! You almost always know when Mozart is playing.

Mozart has a light touch.

There's a moment I really love in the 2nd movement of the Jupiter symphony. It's so fleeting, though.

Robusto

4:40 AM

I'd say the difference between Mozart and Beethoven is this: Mozart can make you feel like you haven't a care in the world; Beethoven makes you feel all the cares in the world, but gets you through them somehow.

ktm5124

Yes, I can see that :)

I feel very different walking down the street listening to Mozart, than I do with Beethoven.

Mozart never makes you feel like you're going to war.

Færd

For me, Beethoven dredges up the most deep and intense emotions. Mozart brightens up my imagination. Bach makes me feel like I'm looking into the night sky and at the same time into myself.

ktm5124

I'm a big fan of this performance:

Barenboim Beethoven op. 80

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Færd

Well, they used to. I don't spend as much time on music anymore.

Robusto

I like Daniel Barenboim a lot.

Listen to this sometime:

Strauss - Ein Heldenleben, Op 40 - Karajan

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ktm5124

4:45 AM

It features the Ode to Joy theme before he composed the 9th.

Robusto

Broaden your musical tastes.

ktm5124

(Although, I think he got it from Mozart.)

What would you say characterizes Strauss?

I don't listen to too much by him.

Robusto

R. Strauss probably gets the closest to portraying specific emotions in relation to texts.

The link above is Ein Heldenleben — A Hero's Life.

You've no doubt heard (endlessly) the opening to Also Sprach Zarathustra, but it's really rewarding to listen to the rest of it.

ktm5124

I will have to revisit this transcript sometime, and listen to some of these recommendations.

Robusto

What is stated in the opening is the World Riddle. And the rest of the piece is built around the various attempts to answer the question.

ktm5124

4:51 AM

Hah, cool!

Robusto

The part about science is a fugue that just gets more and more complicated and eventually comes undone.

Here's one that's really twisted:

Richard Strauss - Dance of the Seven Veils

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Anyway, in characterizing Strauss musically you'd have to say he stretched tonality to its limits, right to the breaking point — yet he never abandoned it.

ktm5124

Cool, thanks.

Hm, I have to go. Thanks for the recommendations.

Robusto

I have to go too. You're welcome. Laterz.

user227867

6:31 AM

Hello @sumelic we always come at the same time. Our hearts beat as one, LOL.

sumelic

@WillHunting: Hello! I have emailed a dictionary now, like you. It was the OED

They think the U.S. pronunciation of "periphrasis" is /pəˈrɪfrəsəz/

user227867

@sumelic The actual OED and not the smaller ones?

sumelic

@WillHunting Lol, yes. the big one. They emailed me back automatically to say they probably wouldn't respond

user227867

They have OED, SOED, ODE, NOAD, COED, COAD, OALD, OAAD, and so on.

user227867

I am very familiar with their products because I spent 9000 years studying their specs.

sumelic

6:34 AM

So I re-submitted the information using their online automated submission form. It is not set up well for submitting this kind of information, though. I had to put "NA" in a lot of fields, and cite a source. I ended up citing the American Heritage Dictionary, although it was weird since that's kind of a competitor

user227867

@sumelic If it is a mistake, they prob would not respond but would incorporate the change in their next online revision.

sumelic

@WillHunting Yes, the whole alphabet soup of dictionaries

user227867

@sumelic I emailed ODE/NOAD thrice with three mistakes in all. No reply either.

sumelic

@WillHunting Yes, I will await the change. I don't care so much about a response but I would like for it to be fixed. The Wikipedia article seems to have used it as a source, LOL

user227867

This year alone, I sent 10 emails to OUP, LOL, about dictionaries and other things.

user227867

6:37 AM

Other than mistakes, they usually respond personally.

user227867

They need time to fix the mistakes in their workflow.

sumelic

@WillHunting Hmmm, have they fixed them yet?

user227867

@sumelic It is updated every three months, so maybe later this month.

sumelic

@WillHunting Yes, they told me "If you have sent us a question or complaint about buying or accessing the OED, we will answer it as soon as possible, and normally within 10 days." It makes sense that they would be able to process that kind of thing more quickly since they can establish specific ways of dealing with all the common types of questions and complaints

user227867

I currently use the ODE, third edition, 2010. It's about 2,000 pages.

sumelic

6:42 AM

@WillHunting Oh right, you just got that a day or so ago, didn't you?

user227867

Both ELU and ELL meta posts about the merger are at -11. It is clear people don't want the merger. I think it is time we close the case. It's true that two teams just cannot get along and modify their approaches for a common good.

user227867

@sumelic Yes. I hope the fourth edition does not come out too soon!

user227867

I am thinking of buying the Oxford French, German, Italian, and Spanish dictionaries too. In this case, there are no fixed plans for a newer edition, so I can take the risk and buy them now too.

user227867

I should have made it clearer in my post that site policies need to be changed, and it's not about ELU absorbing ELL. It's about them combining and becoming something totally different from anything we have seen before, a whole new world, a brave new world.

sumelic

@WillHunting I guess to some people, that seems like an impossible dream. Perhaps ELU would have to change first before it would be worthy of receiving ELL again.

user227867

6:48 AM

amazon.com/Oxford-Paravia-Dizionario-Inglese-Italiano/dp/…

user227867

OK, I am thinking of getting this, but the price is way too high.

user227867

The blue cover version published by Oxford is cheaper but out of print.

user227867

This is the green cover version published by someone else, prob with identical contents.

sumelic

A random thought: I wish there were some way to prevent migrations from happening when the question is low-quality or I think it's not off-topic here. I guess flagging, but that's a bit uncertain

user227867

Greedy sellers are selling the blue cover version for hundreds or even thousands of dollars, sometimes even used copies.

sumelic

6:50 AM

@WillHunting Someone in the comments said "the price should be only $60.00"

But a comment on that comment said it may depend on the edition

user227867

@sumelic Yes, that would be reasonable. The comparable French, German, and Spanish ones published by Oxford and with the blue covers cost only 35 USD on Amazon right now

user227867

@sumelic Yes, but the content is prob identical.

user227867

amazon.com/…

user227867

For example, this is the French one.

sumelic

@WillHunting I don't know. The second commenter didn't think so, but she might have been wrong

user227867

6:54 AM

@sumelic I think she is probably wrong. Oxford does not make Americanised versions of their bilingual dictionaries. They never ever did. They only do it for English, hence the NOAD from the ODE.

sumelic

@WillHunting I didn't know that. It's good that you've done your research on these dictionaries. I haven't bought a dictionary in a while; nowadays I just use online ones

user227867

The NOAD was edited from the ODE to use American spellings and diacritical respelling to show pronunciation instead of IPA.

user227867

The NOAD also has over a thousand illustrations and gives the pronunciation for every headword and not just some of them.

sumelic

I do have a Larousse student dictionary.

user227867

These are the main differences between NOAD and ODE.

user227867

6:57 AM

@sumelic For which language?

sumelic

@WillHunting That seems like such a pointless change. I'm not an IPA fanatic, but it's so trivial to look at a pronunciation key. And most people don't care about pronunciation anyway

@WillHunting Oh, French-English/English-French

user227867

@sumelic I would say that the best big bilingual dictionaries for several languages are published by Oxford and Collins. The Americans do have these, but they are much smaller in size.

user227867

So far, I have watched three movies starring Isabelle Huppert. All in French: The Piano Teacher, Elle, and Things Come. All excellent. I think I should watch all her movies. Atypical but interesting stories.

user227867

She's been acting for like four decades and has won several awards. One of the nest actresses in the world alive today.

sumelic

@WillHunting Interesting. Are you currently studying all of the languages that you want to buy dictionaries in, or are some of them for languages that you have studied in the past or want to study in the future?

user227867

7:04 AM

@sumelic I hope to study French, German, Italian, and Spanish. I started a little on some of them.

sumelic

@WillHunting Oh, I read a review of Elle a little while ago. It did sound like it was not the usual kind of story

@WillHunting I guess you have already gotten a bit into French if you are watching French movies

user227867

@sumelic If you are interested in resources for these four languages you can talk to me. I am using Assimil With Ease as the main textbook for them.

user227867

@sumelic Well, there are always subtitles, LOL. Anyone can watch them!

sumelic

@WillHunting Thanks! I feel like I am too busy with other things to study a language right now, but that may change. I have studied French in the past, and I've been interested in learning German for a while

user227867

@sumelic You should compare prices from different Amazons (UK, US, Fr, Ge) and also Book Depository before buying. Prices vary a lot!

sumelic

7:08 AM

@WillHunting lol, that's right. But even using subtitles, you get to hear the language. You will absorb phrases even without being consciously aware of it

@WillHunting I have never looked at another language Amazon. Odd that the prices differ, and it's not just a U.I. change

Hmm, I have something I should get done tonight, so I will be leaving now. It was nice chatting with you @WillHunting !

curiousdannii

8:13 AM

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Q: Please reopen the "y" question

The following recent question has been closed as a duplicate but the issue appears to be still open and it probably needs a more definitive answer. All evidence I found and posted in my answer suggest a clear rule about the pluralisation of familiar names ending with a "y". But there are som...

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How does someone with 120 thousand rep not understand that duplicates should not be reopened just because you want to post an answer?

user227867

10:13 AM

@curiousdannii Relax! =)

user227867

11:41 AM

@Tonepoet How is your day?

user129412

12:09 PM

@Cerberus Thanks for the advice!

user17915

1:01 PM

Is this grammer correct?

"I went out with my friend to the mall"

user227867

@user17915 It is correct, but you misspelled 'grammar'.

Mitch

1:55 PM

@MetaEd Best ever! Good for explaining pointer referencing in languages.

@tchrist schmooze, schuh-schmooze

schnabel
schnapper
schnapps
schnauzer
schneider
schnitzel
schnorchel
schnorkel
schnorrer
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schlemiel
schlemihl
schlenter
schlieren
schlieric
schloop
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schraubthaler
schreiner
schreinerize
schriesheimite

wow...they'll put anything in those word lists.

tchrist

@Mitch In the languages of the children, there are no pointers, because the concepts of indirection and actual computer memory access were found to be sources of troubled youth everywhere. Mostly it's a way of avoiding having to clean up their own core dumps.

Mitch

@Robusto Not that I think SWRs are any great thing, but they are at least... interesting. How many questions can we have about 'had' vs 'has' in this one sentence?

Arrowfar

hi

Mitch

2:10 PM

hey

what's your opinion on variable passing style via Lewis Carrol?

or is it Caroll?

tchrist

Call by name.

Mitch

or Carell?

Arrowfar

me?

Anonymous

I don't like to make Lewis Carroll carry stuff around for me.

Mitch

@snailplane leaks like a sieve

@Arrowfar yeah you

Arrowfar

2:12 PM

um

Mitch

@tchrist not call by value?

how about call-by"Just do what I meant!"

tchrist

@Mitch Call by name

Anonymous

How did we know Cookie Monster was destined for great things?

Anonymous

Because om nom nomen est omen.

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Anonymous

Thank you everybody, I'll be here all night.

Arrowfar

2:21 PM

@Mitch Um sorry I don't know much about US. You mean the author, or the Lewis Carroll Society of North America, or the Javascript?

kind of clueless heh.

I hope I used commas correctly above. Instead of "?" I mean.

Mitch

@Arrowfar No worries. The passage that MetaEd quoted is from Alice in Wonderland with lots of classic word play that is relevant to computer science. Talking about names and what you call a name and what a thing is, that's all sort of relevant to pointers and references and variable names and variable passing styles (call-by-name, call-by variable, call-by-value, call-by-reference).

Arrowfar

I see :-)

MetaEd

@tchrist core dump - your fault

"Whereas Europeans generally pronounce my name the right way ('Ni-klows Wirt'), Americans invariably mangle it into 'Nick-les Worth'. This is to say that Europeans call me by name, but Americans call me by value." (attributed to Niklaus Wirth)

Arrowfar

3:33 PM

@Mitch Since I am a non programmar, coding and computer sciences stuff goes way over my head in chats. =)

SmokeDetector

3:55 PM

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Yashas Samaga

4:05 PM

I am looking for a suitable word to describe a town which has a lot of greenary.

ample amount of time to interact with nature

Most of my early childhood years were spent in a small yet beautiful town [where I could interact with the nature very well]

rivers, greens, animals

I need to wrap all the points in one neat sentence (or maybe two).

terdon

@YashasSamaga Try rural.

Yashas Samaga

4:25 PM

it isn't rural

Mitch

@YashasSamaga verdant. but that's annoyingly fancy.

do you want one word or a sentence? I think you have all the points for a good sentence.

wait...how can you possibly have animals without it being mostly rural (or definitely not urban)?

Yashas Samaga

sentence

street

cows and bulls are like street animals ere

horses too

terdon

That's a haiku, not a sentence.

And what you describe certainly sounds like rural to me.

Yashas Samaga

4:40 PM

There are cars, public buses

there are roads

multispeciality hospital

engineering college

medical college

terdon

That's fine, it can still be rural.

Hell, Cambridge, UK has one of the best technical universities in the world, but you'd still call it a rural town.

?

Yashas Samaga

fail copy

thats the town

terdon

Can't really tell if that could be termed rural or not.

Yashas Samaga

exactly :D

I prefer to use town

I am trying to put the following points forward

1. Green place

2. Cows, bulls, horses, etc. move around freely in the streets

3. Dogs, cats and birds are usually pets

4. Ample amount of time to interact with the nature

I would want to emphasize the fourth point or maybe mention it explicitly as an important factor

I am writing an essay for uni app

Every cat and dog around my home would be my pet and cows and bulls would be our guests.

I am sure that the above sentence has few problems.

the purals

I have used cat and dog intially

I have used "cows and bulls" later

any suggestions?

Mitch

5:49 PM

@terdon That's almost an oxymoron. The town itself isn't rural. Well, Cambridge is too big to be rural.

@YashasSamaga Oh. This must be a cultural difference. I'm in the US and you'd never see any cows/bulls roaming any street anywhere (but yes cats and dogs sometimes)

Yashas Samaga

:P

Mitch

That picture looks very developed to me, halfway between urban and suburban.

Yashas Samaga

The whole place is filled with trees

very few buildings

there are riviers

not many boats

Mitch

civilization closely mixed with nature

Yashas Samaga