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12:00 AM
@Shalvenay decent--behind on work, so I'll have to go in tomorrow. But (as Chris Rock likes to put it) that's the difference between having a job and a career. (Warning: NSF many environments. But funny and true in equal measures, and worth taking a listen.)
 
[grin] I know just enough about computers to be useful/dangerous.
 
afk a bit
 
@nitsua60 hrm...perhaps we'll have to find a way for your emulated-paladin to meet up with Jherala sometime? ;p
@nitsua60 also, working tomorrow as well xD
 
12:47 AM
For folks who remember voyage out/back, another way of thinking about the process:
> I write every paragraph four times - once to get my meaning down, once to put in anything I have left out, once to take out anything that seems unnecessary, and once to make the whole thing sound as if I had only just thought of it.
- Margery Allingham
 
1:02 AM
@BESW So, each member of the BESW collective only needs to write once?
 
1:33 AM
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Ah, one of my friends in the industry started up on Patreon. Don't think that saw mention here.
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I think I remember that guy - did he have Princess Peach with a flaming sword as his avatar?
 
Yeah, she does.
 
2:27 AM
Is there no way to have an edit summary appear on a rollback? See rpg.stackexchange.com/posts/90654/revisions, where I tried to indicate in the edit summary that comments explaining my rollback could be found in the mod-created chatroom.
@SevenSidedDie or @mxyzplk, maybe? ^^
 
2:41 AM
@nitsua60 You can, in a non-intuitive way. If you go to the revision you want to roll back to and pick “edit” instead of “rollback”, then you get the same effect, the freeform comment, plus an auto-generated “rollback to revision n” prepended to the comment.
 
@SevenSidedDie ahh... I knew it was something tricky like that. Trying to remember, I did the rollback first, then edited that revision to shoehorn in an edit summary comment. Which doesn't appear in the revision listing =(
Thanks.
 
@nitsua60 Hmm, lemme see if I can edit the comment directly. There's a mod widget for that.
 
I'll totally remember that workflow in five months, the next time this comes up =)
 
@nitsua60 I only remember it because I use that part of the UI so very much! It's really not intuitive.
There, yes, I could edit the comment. I just added a note to see the chat room at a specific message, since that's more explanation than can fit in the comment field anyway: rpg.stackexchange.com/posts/90654/revisions
 
While I've got you on the line, did my reasoning in rolling it back seem sound to you?
@SevenSidedDie thanks--looks good.
 
2:51 AM
hey again @nitsua60
 
@Shalvenay hiya
 
@nitsua60 how're things going?
 
@Shalvenay spending a curious amount of time daydreaming about a short Discord 5e adventure, given that it's over a month away =)
 
@nitsua60 Yeah, it's good reasoning, especially since they were thinking that it would be a suggestion vetted by the author (but it ended up being approved by two unrelated users). The advice to post a competing answer if the author doesn't take up the suggestion was spot-on too.
@Shalvenay *waves*
 
@SevenSidedDie It's possible a verbatim recitation of a comment of yours I've read, some time when @Miniman and I posted substantially-identical 5e answers within seconds of each other. (Not like that ever happened.)
 
2:56 AM
@nitsua60 I guess it's no surprise I'd find it good advice then. ^^
 
@nitsua60 xD wondering if maybe your Curse of Strahd emulated-paladin can meet up with Jherala sometime
 
@SevenSidedDie "Advice is a flat circle." (pretty sure it's Nietzsche)
 
@SevenSidedDie As long as you're around, can I bring this answer to your attention? I almost edited out the references myself, but I wasn't sure how to explain the issue with it.
 
@Shalvenay I don't do blind dates, man. =D
@Miniman Ugh. It doesn't pass the smell test. It... seems overly familiar? It objectifies a high-profile user? Maybe that last bit is the crux?
 
If nothing else, the argument could be made that "such-and-such is useless without a netbook open to this site" is offensive.
 
3:05 AM
@Miniman That is decidedly odd. I see what you mean about not being quite sure how to explain what's wrong with that. I think they should come out; I'll take a stab at explaining why.
@Miniman I'm not sure that implication is intended. As a mod, one would be rather useless in terms of being-a-mod without access. :)
 
@SevenSidedDie Thanks! I sometimes feel bad about how often I pass issues along to other users, but I think it leads to better outcomes.
 
I think the strongest reason is that it will make zero sense on its own as archived site content separate from familiarity with the userbase. I don't think the list of users is CC-BY-SA!
 
@SevenSidedDie Oh, I highly doubt it was meant that way. Just that it could be taken that way, especially if we were looking for an offensive way to take it in order to have an excuse to remove it :)
 
@nitsua60 hahaha xD I just think it would be interesting RP
 
@Miniman Oh yeah, point. It's not enough that a post is understood well by some, we aim to have most understand when they read us. :)
 
3:13 AM
@SevenSidedDie yeah, if someone saw that in isolation, they'd be like "what the heck's a mxyzplk?"
 
@Shalvenay It was spelled wrong/right, too: mxyzplk is our intentionally-misspelled mod, Mister Mxyzptlk is the Marvel character the username is derived from. ^_^
 
@SevenSidedDie LOL
should we summon him to the scene btw?
 
@Shalvenay Probably no need to. Unless you just mean “hey, hey you got name-checked” kind of thing, as an amusing note.
 
@SevenSidedDie I'd be like "hey, you know that bloke?" xD
 
Huh, maybe he does? Dunno, I'm still not sure what the reference was motivated by. Odd little thing.
 
3:24 AM
@SevenSidedDie I didn't even think of that - maybe he meant the comic character!
 
@Miniman Hmm. … Naw, I can't figure it. The RPG.se reference doesn't fit the character.
 
@SevenSidedDie There's a fair amount of useful material for a supervillain on the site, though...
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@Miniman That's a point.
Oh no. What have we done.
 
XD
 
3:43 AM
@SevenSidedDie DC. Not Marvel :P
 
@Magician Ah, whoops. I guess that's why we haven't seen Mister Mxyzptlk: The Movie yet.
 
Hah. And probably never will, he's way too wacky. I'm pretty sure the appearance of Mr Mxyzptlk in a DC movie would singlehandedly annihilate their movieverse, he's the antithesis of its grimdark pathos.
 
@Magician Batman vs. Mxyzptlk. Spiderman 16: Mxyzptlk's Web of Riddles. Mister Mxyzptlk: It Was Really Me That Set That Shark Up The Bomb.
 
hey there @daze413
 
@SevenSidedDie Nonono. Batman's got Bat-Mite who is similar yet distinct from Mr Mxyzptlk. These things are important! Whereas Spider-Man has crushing guilt.
 
3:58 AM
@Magician Crushing guilt is such a jerk character.
 
4:24 AM
@Magician On the other hand, it would probably be good for them.
 
4:51 AM
hey there @Eidolon108
 
heyp
 
how're things going?
 
5:16 AM
@SevenSidedDie If you want to set a jump-to on a video, you can change the link to use an ampersand instead of a hash mark. I find it does a better job of serving the desired time.
Welcome back.
 
@Powerdork Did that not work? I've always seen the hash used and the link seems to be working on this end.
 
Oh, it worked, just slow enough for me to catch 5 seconds of the beginning of the video.
On a decent internet connection and a decently fast computer.
 
@Powerdork Interesting. I guess that's the difference between setting the parameter in the request and letting whatever client-side javascript wizardry they use to turn the anchor request into a seek handle it.
 
hey there @Powerdork
 
Ahoy, @Shalvenay!
 
5:30 AM
@Powerdork how're things going?
 
@Shalvenay Been worse, been worse. Yourself?
 
@Powerdork alright here, hoping to get some folks together during or shortly thereafter the holidays xD
 
Woo. What for?
 
@Powerdork 5e xD -- want to introduce a couple folks from my old 3.5e tables to a couple folks here on the Stack
 
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5:34 AM
@Shalvenay Ah, nice.
@BESW Hey, you're big on vampire lore, right? Do you know any fates that have befallen those who've attempted to defang a vampire (theirself included)?
 
5:53 AM
@Zachiel @Trish "Accidentally" because it was from the wild magic table. Though I did once accidentally set someone on fire purely by my bad decision making without wild magic being involved. I haven't intentionally gone after a PC in... months!
 
6:16 AM
 
6:28 AM
@Fibericon what, no attempted TPK in months?! You need to work at your GMming attitude. ;)
 
6:43 AM
@Trish he's a PC not GM
 
@Adeptus Time to change that, don't you think?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
6:58 AM
@Adeptus what you mean by "tu"? You?! Why you grite Latin in Katakana?! ;)
oh, wait, it is pronounced tsu... what you mean by that?! ;)
@Adeptus hmmm, what do cups have to do with that? because Jisho.org tells me tsu means cup... and jar...
 
@Powerdork Hmm. I'm having trouble thinking of any successful de-fanging attempts which weren't quickly overshadowed by, say, a good staking.
 
@BESW And the rate for successful to unsuccessful?
 
@Powerdork I remember there being a flaw that meant you had no fangs - it meant you would have to cut your targets.
 
@Powerdork Not enough data for a useful statistic.
 
@BESW Mmh, gotcha.
@Trish A flaw?
 
7:09 AM
@Powerdork Revised i think, would have to dig it up again... was on the.... physical flaw list, disallowed you to do bite attacks. Not that much a flaw for Ravnos iirc...
 
@Trish Ah, White Wolf's Vampire games, I see. I was speaking just generally.
 
@Powerdork oh, vampires in general? not enough data... especially since the 'classical' vampire only appeared in a time, when razors were available abundently (aka: Bram's Dracula)...
 
@Trish Yeah, I'm going to be taking over and running Exalted 2.5e. Let's hope they manage to exalt before doing something stupid and dying. I'm not convinced this particular group would do well with the amount of freedom that system offers.
 
@Trish All the best TPKs are player-instigated.
 
@Trish I'm not sure I follow.
 
7:22 AM
My last PVP action was actually in Exalted. I was playing a bit of a zealot, and a lunar player nearing limit break attacked a solar player. As we (solar zealots) all know, attacking a solar makes you a creature of darkness! En garde!
 
Oh, not PvP TPKs. Just TPK situations pushed by the PCs rather than orchestrated by the GM.
"I blow up the island we're on."
"I sit on the god's throne."
"I mock the Court of Dragons to their faces."
Players can find more effective and innovative ways to kill their characters than GMs can ever imagine.
 
When I was running Star Wars, one player decided the best way to kill the elite squad of baddies they picked a fight with was to bring down the whole building with the whole party in it. Hey, they died! That part of the plan worked!
 
"I stick my head into the bag of devouring."
"I mix elven and dwarven booze and drink it next to the ship's rail."
"I stick the artefact into the furnace with my bare hands."
 
"I snap the artefact on my knee, like it says we can do."
 
A game I was playing saw another player stick his hand into an obvious trap. Besides the fact that it was obvious, all he had to do was wait for one of my automatons to walk over and open the door, because who cares what happens to those things? But no, impatience almost killed him.
 
7:31 AM

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Then there was The Worst Sorcerer Ever, who purposefully chose the weakest demon to summon, still failed the contested willpower roll, then almost died when the thing broke free.
 
Hah.
 
 
2 hours later…
9:16 AM
@Fibericon have them exalt in a palace full of Dragonblooded, problem solved :P
 
@Trish I was mildly disappointed when a game I was a player in that took place on the Blessed Isle didn't turn into a mad dash to escape. We just kind of meandered away after exalting.
 
@Fibericon take a look at Exalted 3, it is really worth it... that is, if you can live with solar only for the time being... and with no real guidelines to make new artifacts...
@Fibericon but then again, I really loved my fennec-fox-lunar in the southern campaign... that was scrapped for switching to E3 shortly after
 
I looked at it. Combat and crafting are just... I mean, there are improvements in other areas, but those two systems keep me away. I like the fact that you naturally increase in essence, for instance.
 
Combat runs ok, crafting is... hey, I DO play a twilight crafter... I spent like a year or so redesigning the whole slums of Palanquin. From huts to roman Insulae!
 
How many spoons did you need to make to gear up for that job?
 
9:26 AM
including new markets, streets, underground sewers, running water, public bathes, a harbor... Not a single spoon! I get sxp just for being awake and planning, then for using my crafts, then for a season to have passed...
Tireless Workhouse Method, Efficient Craftsman Technique, Ages-Echoing Wisdom
Arete-Shifting Prana, Supreme Celestial Focus, Sublime Transference, Brass Scales Falling, Red Anvils Ringing, Chains Fall Away, Craftsman Needs No Tools, Peerless Paragon of Craft, Supreme Perfection of Craft, Divine Transcendence of Craft
 
At least you found a way around grinding spoons. I'm probably going to wait for the edition to have more material before I look at it again. I like having solars fight things stronger than mortal bandits.
 
You can have them fight undead or Dragonbloodeds....
 
Did they actually have DB character creation in there? I must have missed it.
 
but yea, to get around casting ammunition, that char spend pretty much all but 4 charms it knows on craft charms - 19!
no, but they have example DBs in the back
Essence 2 Immaculates.
And even an Essence 3 one with an army.
 
My favorite villain from the last campaign I ran was a lunar akuma who knew black claw style, and opened a dojo to teach it to dragon bloods. When some of her students showed up, it spawned a great PC interaction.
 
9:35 AM
If you want to TPK them... Nephwrack. That beast has almost 1.5 pages of charms/abilities, Essence 5, 100 motes. In E3 at least.
 
"Dude, will you stop picking on those dragon bloods? They're not doing anything to you." "I AM LITERALLY DYING"
 
chuckles comeon, not as bad as my fennec lunar... first action of that red-fox lunar after me joining the group? social combat... "can you stop trying to seduce the newcomers to join your Harem?" "That is a Player character?!"
 
Exalted is great. I can't think of any other tabletop I've played that has generated so many funny stories.
 
Or so many hilariously funny things. The april-fools document that the fans demanded be made a full book?
 
It's also good for getting new people into the habit of describing their actions. Sure, you can just roll attack, but how about you vault off of your buddy and do a spinning back flip first for an extra three dice?
 
9:44 AM
oh yes! I love the stunting mechanic.
 
@Fibericon There's a game based entirely on that... [goes digging]
 
@BESW a game entirely on describing? FATE?!
 
Nope. More pure than that.
It's a dice pool game. You describe what's going on and what you're doing, and get one die for every detail you add. Roll all the dice and compare them to the character stat most appropriate for your main objective in that action to determine number of wins.
 
10:01 AM
That looks like fun.
 
Yeah, for mechanically rewarding detailed description by players I'm not aware of anything which beats it.
Fate doesn't so much reward detailed description of a single action as enforce it when you use fate points (for each point you spend, that's another aspect you need to include in your description of the resolution after the roll).
Which means its enforcement is also limited to the number of invokes spent on a roll.
(More important actions get more detailed narration, which is nice, but a very different thing from Wushu. Wushu is more like the Japanese comic style of using multiple panels to show different details of a single moment in time.)
 
 
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8:55 PM
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9:32 PM
I was using Wikipedia's Random In Category feature to look up flower names and somehow got redirected to...
The following is a list of characters that appear in the American animated series ThunderCats, its 2011 reboot, and its related media. == Original ThunderCats == === Jaga === Jaga (voiced by Earl Hammond in the original series, Corey Burton in the 2011 series) is also known as "Jaga the Wise" and is based on the Jaguar. This elder warrior was once regarded as the greatest of all ThunderCats by Lion-O himself. In his youth, Jaga was the Lord of the Thundercats, and rescued a young Hachiman from being trapped in The Jade Dragon (which later became a part of the Treasure of Thundera). An adviser and...
some investigation made me discover the Petalars were responsible for this.
 
That was a weird episode.
 
10:10 PM
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Commonly known as hellebores /ˈhɛlᵻbɔərz/, the Eurasian genus Helleborus comprises approximately 20 species of herbaceous or evergreen perennial flowering plants in the family Ranunculaceae, within which it gave its name to the tribe of Helleboreae. The scientific name Helleborus derives from the Greek name for H. orientalis, ἑλλέβορος helléboros, from elein "to injure" and βορά borá "food". Many species are poisonous. Despite names such as "winter rose", "Christmas rose" and "Lenten rose", hellebores are not closely related to the rose family (Rosaceae). == Distribution and description == Various...
 
@doppelgreener ?
 
@BESW This is a surprisingly metal name for a flower.
(I won't be randomly linking other flowers, don't worry.)
 
Ah. I usually see hellebore in slightly pretentious fantasy fiction.
 
@BESW I had that book when I was in Aus!
Never read it though.
 
10:24 PM
It's not a bad book, but it's... overwrought.
 
I also had Tad William's Otherland, which is a story about a big populated virtual world where suddenly things are starting to go horribly and mysteriously wrong, and the protagonists get stuck in the middle of it.
So it's sort of a science fiction which has, inside it, fantasy adventures, but Tad Williams doesn't handle the science fiction components well. His vision of how the VR works, then starts to go wrong, both are majorly problematic and there are contemporaries with better-functioning, simpler explanations for the kinds of things he's going for.
 
The only other Williams book I've read was Tailchaser's Song.
That seems about right: Interesting ideas that get needlessly overcomplicated and don't quite fit together properly in the execution.
([waves at Steven Moffat])
 
 
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11:43 PM
hey there @Javelin, welcome to RPG.SE chat!
 
@Javelin [wave] Welcome back. Any luck experimenting with one-shots in new systems?
 

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