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Montag451

19:01

Are small game developers watching our threads for feedback and bug reports :)

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Q: Is the exclamation sign on the settings icon a bug or am I missing something?

After the latest update (version 1.45) an exclamation mark did appear on the "settings" icon in the main screen. I can't find what it points to. I have entered all of the submenus in the settings screen but this icon doesn't disappear from the main screen. I've thought that it was there to inform...

sky-force-reloaded

Fluttershy

@Wipqozn I see.

Well, since @Wipqozn is useless to me, does anyone else know how much of an impact a lethal run of Dishonored has on the overall story?

cc: @Wipqozn on that burn that just... Dishonored him. And his family.

arda

Sterno

Shit. I missed like 300 gold on the first Dishonored mission. I suck :(

djsmiley2k

@Fluttershy iirc there's 2 endings, but it's the leathlity against the main kills that matters.

that's completely from memory by the way

I also think there's a special bit if you get the ghost ending (not been noticed)

SaintWacko

@KevinvanderVelden You around?

Kevin van der Velden

19:08

Yup

SaintWacko

Okay, I'm trying to have a few variables that are shared between a couple namespaces in this project

NBN-Alex

@arda caught

Kevin van der Velden

@SaintWacko namespaces? Or files

SaintWacko

@KevinvanderVelden Well, files

Kevin van der Velden

Aight, cause C++ has namespaces =p

SaintWacko

19:09

@KevinvanderVelden They are each a separate namespace

But they're also each a separate file

arda

@NBN-Alex you mean the tabs?

SaintWacko

I keep reading that the way to do that is to have a header that they each include with the variables declared as extern

Then define the variables in only one of the files they need to be accessed in

Kevin van der Velden

Typically, cause it prevents typos

SaintWacko

That's not working

Kevin van der Velden

What compiler error do you get?

NBN-Alex

19:11

@arda yep.

SaintWacko

However, I'm also reading that that's a bad way of doing things, and was wondering if there was a better way I should be using

> undefined reference to `rainbow'

One of the variables being called rainbow

Kevin van der Velden

Did you #include <header.h>?

SaintWacko

Yes

Well, "header.h"

Kevin van der Velden

Same thing

SaintWacko

Doesn't it have to be "" to refer to files in the same directory?

Or something like that

Kevin van der Velden

19:13

Uuuh no, not really

SaintWacko

Oh

Kevin van der Velden

Let's see, arduino ide thing right?

SaintWacko

Hm

Right

But also, is there a better way of doing this than doing the header thing?

Kevin van der Velden

No, the header thing is a good way

Hold on let me look at the arduino ide

Cause it is the problem

SaintWacko

Oh now that's interesting

I defined it in the other one, too

And it stopped throwing errors

Kevin van der Velden

19:15

How did you define it?

With extern?

SaintWacko

No

extern is only in the header

In each of the files, I've done bool rainbow;

Kevin van der Velden

That's incorrect :)

Now you have 2 distinct bool rainbow variables

SaintWacko

Oh, so where all does it need to be declared extern?

Kevin van der Velden

Any single .cpp file in a correctly set up IDE

The issue is that it's not being linked together properly

I blame arduino

SaintWacko

Well, before the only place I had it declared extern was in the shared header

Would that work?

Kevin van der Velden

19:17

You have extern $thing in the header, and $thing in one single C++ file

SaintWacko

Right, that's what I had before

Kevin van der Velden

That is the correct method

SaintWacko

Hm, yeah, and that's the one fhat's giving me the undefined reference

Kevin van der Velden

Yes because arduiono ide is weird

How do you addd a new tab?

The new tab thing doesn't work

arda

@KevinvanderVelden it does

Kevin van der Velden

19:22

It hid the "enter filename" bit for me

SaintWacko

@KevinvanderVelden That's how I added a new tab

Kevin van der Velden

weird ide

weeeeiiiiirrrrdddd

Can you send me your code?

arda

write code in VS Code or sublime or whatever you use, just compile and upload with arduino ide

SaintWacko

@KevinvanderVelden Erm... not really :(

It's work stuff

Kevin van der Velden

Oke, try making a new, minimal project

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1193507/sketch_sep12b.7z

Working example

(Remember, #include literally just copy pastes the content of the file into your code)

Unionhawk

19:30

#include <tehcodez>

SaintWacko

Seems to be working in a minimal test project...

Kevin van der Velden

Do you have all the files in the same folder?

SaintWacko

Yeah

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm I 'unno

SaintWacko

Alright

Well, do you know of any other good way to do this?

Kevin van der Velden

19:34

Skip the #include bits?

i.e. manually do it

Wipqozn

@Sterno I KNEW IT

@Fluttershy that was pretty good, actually

SaintWacko

@KevinvanderVelden So declare it extern in both of them?

Then define it in one?

Kevin van der Velden

Yes

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy oh buuuuuuuuuurn. Cc, @GodEmperorDune

SaintWacko

@KevinvanderVelden Do I need to do that outside or inside the namespace definition?

Kevin van der Velden

19:40

Doesn't matter as long as it's in the same place

The namespace is part of the variable name so if it's bla::test and bla::test then it's fine. But if it's bla::test and meh::test they're 2 different things

Wipqozn

@RedRiderX I bet mine will have a better netscore

arda

Ok, installed everything, running on most extreme build possible [citation-needed] (I basically have all the apps I'll use open atm - firefox, flux, spotify), time to test battery usage

RedRiderX

@Wipqozn It already does

I always seem to have controversial picks.

Wipqozn

"2004" I feel old. — arda 1 hour ago

@Sterno does @arda feeling old make you feel old?

Sterno

I'm so old I remember when "Oldies Stations" were a thing. Now they're not. :(

Fluttershy

19:44

@Wipqozn Right? That movie probably came out the year @arda was born!

arda

@Fluttershy I was 4 when it was released

Wipqozn

@Sterno you're so old you remember when people actually listented to the radio

Dragonrage

growing up, I listened to radio shows like Gunsmoke, Have Gun; Will Travel, The Shadow, etc

Fluttershy

@arda ... I was graduating high school. :(

Dragonrage

@Fluttershy hah, your old :P

arda

19:50

@Fluttershy well I grew up with that thing.

Wipqozn

wait, exactly how old is @Dragonrage?

I thought he was younger than me

but now I'm starting to think he's older than @Sterno

Dragonrage

@Wipqozn because I know about the Golden Age of Radio?

Wipqozn

@Dragonrage Because you actually listened to radio shows

like aren't radio shows even before @Sterno?

Sterno

YEs

Wipqozn

Like about twice @Sterno age, I think

I'm really not sure how old @Sterno is, despite all the jokes. Somewhere in his 30s.

luckily I have him onf acebook

His age isn't on FAcebook

So I'm back to not being sure

arda

19:54

@Wipqozn Wipqozn atm

SaintWacko

Okay, there has got to be a better way to do this

This just is not working

Wipqozn

> Playfully stalking a friend can be both fun and productive

What

arda

@SaintWacko what's the issue

SaintWacko

@arda Trying to share a variable between two files in C++

Getting undefined references all over

arda

> C++
There's your problem.

Dragonrage

19:56

oh, I also listened to Calling all Cars (the radio show)

and a few others

arda

But to be serious, arduino is weird.

MBraedley

@SaintWacko Easy: std::shared_pointer

Dragonrage

@Wipqozn i'll give you some help on determining my age. When i was growing up, dial up was a thing

Wipqozn

@Dragonrage same here

Sterno

Stalking is when two people go on a romantic walk together, but only one of them knows about it.

Wipqozn

19:59

So you probably are around my age

Dragonrage

also @uni is older than me, so

user15026

@Dragonrage that's not a whole lot of help

user15026

@Sterno I feel bad for laughing at this

MBraedley

Sorry, it's actually std::shared_ptr. Don't use 'auto_ptr` (which is deprecated) or unique_ptr.

Wipqozn

@Ash You're not alone

Dragonrage

20:00

@Sterno Stalking: to stride somewhere in a proud, stiff, or angry manner.

SaintWacko

@MBraedley I don't seem to have access to C++11 :(

arda

@Dragonrage When i was growing up, dial up was also a thing

MBraedley

@SaintWacko Well then create your own reference counted pointer class.

arda

Dragonrage confirmed 16

RedRiderX

Hey, Let's Play Some ReCore

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murgatroid99

20:02

@SaintWacko What kind of variable?

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 A boolean, and two custom classes

No, wait

Dragonrage

@arda i mean dial up came out in the 80's

SaintWacko

A boolean, a queue, and a custom class

The custom class is built on a vector

arda

@Dragonrage It was still a thing in turkey in early 21th century.

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko And you're hitting a compiler error?

Dragonrage

20:04

@SaintWacko i know a ~~great~~ terrible insecure way of doing it

RedRiderX

@RedRiderX this is looking like a more generic Borderlands...

Dragonrage

@arda you can still get it here as well.

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 Yeah, I was trying to do this thing using extern declarations to share it

And it kept saying it was undefined

@MBraedley Actually, looks like I do have C++11. How do I use those? They sound useful

MBraedley

@SaintWacko cplusplus.com/reference/memory/shared_ptr

Basically shared_ptr<MyClass> myObj(new MyClass(vars));, and then just pass around myObj, usually by value.

Wipqozn

@Sterno I'm on a Thief 2 mission where two of the objectives are to just find secrets

Dragonrage

20:11

at my college, we had a c++ 11 compiler installed, but it wasnt the default compiler, so we had to setup an alias to use it easily

murgatroid99

OK, I just want to point out that there are two different things in this discussion. extern and such will help get a program with two files referencing the same object to compile. shared_ptr will help dispose of the object correctly at runtime.

And shared_ptr may interact weirdly with static references

MBraedley

@murgatroid99 You are absolutely correct. I was under the impression this was already happening while debugging.

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko regarding what you mentioned earlier: I would recommend always #includeing headers outside of any namespaces in the .cc files

MBraedley

Unless there's a good reason not to, always put your #includes at the top of the file. That goes for both .cpp and .h files.

The only thing that should go before the first #include is #pragma once (or equivalent), and that only applies to headers.

Nzall

Overwatch Player who lost 400 matches got sent to the top of the ranking due to Integer Underflow

MBraedley

20:23

link fail

Nzall

@MBraedley sorry, got attacked in wow while pasting it

murgatroid99

@MBraedley One other case: we have some files that are compiled conditionally. So we need to include the file that checks/defines the conditions, then do an #ifdef, then the rest of the includes

Nzall

@murgatroid99 Yeah, but you're still placing all of your includes at the top of the file. You're not doing Function > half the includes > other function > rest of the includes > rest of the code

murgatroid99

Right, definitely

Nzall

you're just doing #include > #ifdef > #include

murgatroid99

20:27

I guess the general statement is "The only thing that should appear before #include lines is other preprocessor statements"

Nzall

@murgatroid99 which seems kinda obvious since preprocessor statements are, well, pre processing

Anyway, I'm off to see the rest of TFA

cya tomorrow

Kevin van der Velden

@MBraedley noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Not on microcontrollers

@SaintWacko don't use shared ptrs and stuff on microcontrollers =[

arda

atlassian pls

> You can no longer log in with a username. Use your Atlassian account email address (mailaddresshere) instead.

mailaddresshere used to show my real email address btw

Sterno

20:48

@Wipqozn It's a little annoying how many of the gadgets/upgrades/powers in Dishonored are kill-based

Wipqozn

@Sterno yes. Also I am now in your hunated library.

like I literally just strolled in, went to tell you, and you messaged me first

Lazers 2.0

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Q: I can't raise any levies at all, is that a bug?

I was playing as a king (Austrasia), then I was overthrown. I am now Duke of Brabant. The year is 913, I started in 769. However, I can't raise any of my demesne or liege levies. All of the buttons to raise them are grey, even though my army isn't already raised. I can still declare war on peopl...

crusader-kings-2

Wipqozn

@Sterno So I found a secret door in the ibrary which leads to 2 corpses

@Sterno and there's an optional objective in here too

Lazers 2.0

21:07

1

Q: Why are all my minecraft updates deleting?

When every I sign into my Xbox Live account on my Xbox 360, all of the updates I previously installed have been deleted and I have to reinstall a 570mb update which takes an hour. How can I fix it so that it stops deleting updates?

minecraft xbox-360

arda

21:18

oh my god

gluten free jokes on tv

Wipqozn

2 missions to go, although this mission is like ane xtension of the last one, kind of niftry

Or I hope so

last mission has me mapping out two floors of this place and finding a hidden entrance to the third

this one has me breaking in and stealing stuff

and presumably going to that third floor

Also had to avoid alerting or knocking out any guards

RedRiderX

@Wipqozn But... but that's against the law!

Wipqozn

@RedRiderX so is your cat. Oh buuuuuuuuuurn. Cc @Sterno

KutuluMike

21:33

way to spoil Thief 2 for me :(

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn so basically you're antman?

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: i cant place modded blocks on my server

I have forge installed for client and server but it still wont work I read place s that I need to copy the mods to the sever mods folder but I cant find it I was in %appdata% roaming and .Minecraft and same with config files

minecraft minecraft-server minecraft-mods

arda

21:54

@Lazers2.0 sigh

GnomeSlice

Ordered

Fluttershy

I, too, enjoy wearing hats with random lines drawn on them. :P

GnomeSlice

Unrelated

POKÉMON MUSIC VIDEO - Grimecraft - PokéBike (Pokemon Bike Theme Remix) - GameChops

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Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Nintendo Mortal Kombat 3 Raiden keys

I searched all of the internet but I didn't find. What is Raiden's flight movement keys in Nintendo Mortal Kombat 3. The game: http://www.freeroms.com/dl_roms/rom_download.php?title=mortal_kombat_3&system=NES&game_id=26079 For example Lui-Kang keys: Left+Down+A: Flight kick Down+Left+A: Throw f...

mortal-kombat-3

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy Glitch Hop Community logo

Fluttershy

22:03

I feel like @Sterno and @Wipqozn should stream some Monaco co-op, since they're all about some stealth games lately.

GnomeSlice

I didn't like that game as much as I'd hoped

Fluttershy

@GnomeSlice Is that a genre of music?

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy Glitch Hop? Yes.

[Glitch Hop] Qubit - Me like Foxtrot (Original Mix)

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Fluttershy

@GnomeSlice It's a blast if you play with a full team, but pretty meh if you play solo.

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy Pretty much sums up my experience, yeah

Glitch Hop Community - Aint' That A Glitch Collection

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Further unrelated:

NiGHTS Into Dreams - DM Dokuro - On The Wings of Dreams - GameChops Remix

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This is so cute

@Yuuki the same shit always gets voted to the top of these

:(

SaintWacko

22:10

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, I ended up doing it a different way

Because fancy memory stuff didn't seem like a great idea in a limited memory space

arda

@GnomeSlice Glitch hop is pretty amazing

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice To be fair, horror movies are a bit more polarizing than most other movie genres.

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy I'm sure @Sterno and I could get up to some hilarious hijinx. However by the time @Sterno has time to play I'm usually already in bed.

GnomeSlice

@Yuuki Fair

But it's always a Marvel movie

Yuuki

They have pretty big ticket sales for a reason.

LessPop_MoreFizz

22:21

Whoops. Wrong YouTube link.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Well that just isn't true

I went through the past 4, and deadpool was the only marvel movie

LessPop_MoreFizz

Mascots | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix

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Better.

Wipqozn

In fact in all the movie nights only two of them have been marvel movies

2/12 movies nights were marvel

GET REKT

Yuuki

Well, Disney did buy Marvel.

So maybe Disney movies technically count as Marvel movies?

Unionhawk

No

LessPop_MoreFizz

22:24

@Yuuki should do Mascots for Bridge movie night.

It's a new release first run movie night! Never before done!

(Catch is that it has to be in the latter half of October.)

Wipqozn

@Yuuki no, @GnomeSlice is just showing his inner hipster

We all know that @GnomeSlice is a hipster at heart, and that's why we love him

Let's see if I can finish off thief 2 tonight (cc @Sterno)

2 missions to go, soooo we'll see

Sterno

I'll play some Fishonered, which is a funny typo

Stealth fishing game

KutuluMike

isn't all fishing stealth fishing?

3

GnomeSlice

Aeroloid - Superhero

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user15026

22:40

@LessPop_MoreFizz that has a lot of people I recognize in it, which surprises me.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ash it shouldn't. Everyone wants to be in Christopher guest movies.

Also if you haven't seen best in show or a mighty wind you should because I suspect that they ar extremely Your Shit.

arda

@GnomeSlice oh man. This distro has nearly zero effects (and the rare ones are not over a few fps... the background of that video feels like 144hz after 24hz)

GnomeSlice

@arda I have no idea what you're talking about

Linux I'm guessing

arda

Yes.

I'm currently on a distro that promises low battery usage (I'll need that when we are driving back from Kash) and well, it is low on effects and background progresses. It runs pretty well, but yeah, low effects kinda made me appreciate any effect at all.

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz I just don't feel like I watch enough stuff to know all these people! I have not watched either of those things. Where can I find them?

LessPop_MoreFizz

22:54

@Ash I don't see them on Netflix. :(

Ooh! Best in Show is free on Amazon prime.

Best in Show is basically the same premise as that Mascots trailer, but about dog shows

GnomeSlice

The developer of Pony Island has announced their next game

LessPop_MoreFizz

Best in Show trailer

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arda

can someone prepare something to get me feel better? I commited youtube comments and this time I dun goofed.

GnomeSlice

You should practice reading things you don't like without getting sick

that said

Meganeko - Super Gamer Girl 3D

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arda

@GnomeSlice currently translating the replies if you want

GnomeSlice

22:59

If it's just shitty youtube comments, why would I want to read them

arda

UUUGH THIS IS UUUUUUUGH JUST UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz Am I awful for preferring Waiting for Guffman over Best in Show?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy not at all!

Fluttershy

Yay!

LessPop_MoreFizz

Best in Show and A Mighty Wind are just structurally much clearer analogues to Mascots

GnomeSlice

23:04

@arda Relax, comments can't hurt you

Don't take them so seriously

Go do something else

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: kerbal space program mods

how do I install mods into the latest 1.1 version of ksp? I tried to put the Z.I.P file in to the gamedata folder but when I launched I dident see the parts... can anybody help me? (feel free to edit my mistakes)

kerbal-space-program

LessPop_MoreFizz

I have watched this mascots trailer like seven times now.

So great.

GnomeSlice

Bandcamp came clutch with a guide to synthwave for Stranger Things fans

2

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz I don't know if that applies to Canadian me but i will check

user15026

@GnomeSlice exposure therapy doesn't work on everything or for everyone

user15026

23:08

@arda use that emergency kittens button you made

GnomeSlice

@arda Why would you link that

arda

@Ash keyboard is upstairs so I'll just type it up

GnomeSlice

And waste your time translating it

arda

@GnomeSlice no idea. I like documenting idiocy of people

GnomeSlice

@arda No you don't

arda

23:09

Normally, I'd either sleep or walk

user15026

@arda I think emergency kittens would be a good idea yes :) I'd give you a link but I am on mobile so it's tricky

arda

I'm not sleepy, and it is 2am so it might be rather risky to walk

user15026

@GnomeSlice I don't think arguing the how and why Arda is feeling how they are right now is really important

GnomeSlice

You just complained about it, so why waste your time on those stupid people at all

Haters gonna hate, my friend

Private Pansy

I was wondering why my code wasn't working when I realized I had named one call to this.startingBearing as this.startingBeating

user15026

23:11

@PrivatePansy those are slightly different things, yes

Private Pansy

@Ash I think my brain is trying to tell me something

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ash let me know if it doesn't and it might be possible to work out something via rabbit or whatever

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz shiny, I will check it out at some point when I am home

user15026

@PrivatePansy entirely possible, yes

Coronus

@GnomeSlice I now know what I'm listening to the rest of the day, thanks!

GnomeSlice

23:13

@Coronus Brut is incredible

Also recommend D/A/D

and Steve Moore

Coronus

@GnomeSlice Yep, started up trilogy to give it a try. Going to rock to this for a bit.

arda

I guess me spending last 13 years perfecting english didn't matter because I said something he didn't like. I guess I'll stop speaking ingilizce. Yine yoruldum. off to fix more linux stuff because complaining about this doesn't help

two bugs

Watched Mad Max Fury Road on the flight

Amazing movie

user15026

@twobugs I loved it.

user15026

@arda their judgements don't define you. They suck, and they hurt, but they don't decide your awesome. <3

Lazers 2.0

23:29

0

Q: My server operators (including me) can't do anything

On my server for some weird reasons players (no-op) can tp do all the player stuff, but opped players can't even teleport or anything. We cannot do anything. The only thing we can do is /plugin besides that we can't do anything!! Please help!

minecraft hosting

Tim Stone

COURAGE /cc @badp

Ellesedil

Is there any benefit, in Pokemon and ignoring type match-ups, to having your weakest Pokemon first during a battle of some kind?

two bugs

@Ash Me too. Lots of action, great visuals

GnomeSlice

@arda Somebody else doesn't get to decide what's worthwhile in your life

two bugs

The old ladies kicked ass

GnomeSlice

23:34

@twobugs Probably the best action movie I've ever seen

Yuuki

@Ellesedil Pokemon the series or Pokemon Go?

two bugs

I will agree with that

Yuuki

If it's Pokemon Go, I have no idea.

Ellesedil

@Yuuki Either is fine with me.

Yuuki

If Pokemon the series, all Pokemon sent out for the defeat of a particular Pokemon will share in the EXP gain.

So you would send out a weak Pokemon first, swap it out for one of your tougher ones, and your weak Pokemon would gain experience without doing anything and your stronger Pokemon would only take an extra hit.

Ellesedil

23:37

@Yuuki Only if they survive the encounter. Let's say it's a gym battle. Chances are, your going to have some Pokemon get KO'd. And still, it's common to see a weak -> strong ordering of Pokemon.

I dunno, maybe I'm being influenced by the TV show? That seems to always happen there.

user15026

@twobugs it was great. :) and yes the old ladies were amazing

Ellesedil

5 mins ago, by two bugs

@Ash Me too. Lots of action, great visuals

49 secs ago, by Ash

@twobugs it was great. :) and yes the old ladies were amazing

Missing context on things like this makes conversations more interesting.

user15026

The replies are linked, though

Yuuki

@Ellesedil So are you asking why Gym Leaders and NPCs send out weak Pokemon first?

Ellesedil

@Yuuki More or less. I'm trying to see if there's a benefit.

Pokemon Go seems to order your Pokemon strongest -> weakest by default when attacking.

Yuuki

23:41

The benefit is to the player.

It's easier to down the earlier Pokemon in a Gym Leader's lineup because there's a sense of progress.

You beat the first 'mon, you made progress! The second one wiped you out? Time to get back to training.

Ellesedil

@Yuuki So, if you were to optimize your lineup in a way where you were only interested in winning battles, you'd go strongest -> weakest instead?

Yuuki

Whereas if the first one repeatedly wipes you until you bulk up enough to beat it and the second one is a piece of cake, some people (particularly children, for whom the Pokemon series is targeted) might feel annoyed.

Ellesedil

Or... does it really matter?

Yuuki

That also hinges on what you'd call "strongest" and "weakest".

In lots of professional/competitive battling, players send out an opener Pokemon. Compared to sweepers and walls, they're relatively weak both offensively and defensively.

However, they usually have moves that can influence the rest of the match if left unchecked, like Stealth Rock or Spider Web.

Ellesedil

Ok. Let's simplify this a bit and remove those types of variables. Let's say both trainers have identical line-ups: 6 Pidgeys with all the same moves. The only difference is that there is a 5 level difference between all of the Pokemon. So, the weakest is level 5 and the strongest is level 30. IV's are all the same.

One trainer orders strong -> weak, the other weak -> strong. Only difference between the two trainers. Does one have an advantage?

StrixVaria

23:47

The level 30 pidgey is probably going to one-shot the level 5 and level 10 pidgey, and maybe even the level 15, but probably not the level 20.

So the guy going weak -> strong might as well not even have the level 5 or 10 pidgeys.

Yuuki

Outside of leveling, the only advantage I can possibly think of is scouting.

StrixVaria

Well, the weak guys can wear down the level 30 a bit.

Yuuki

Also depends on whether the lower level Pidgeys spam Quick Attack while the initial level 30 Pidgey uses Wing Attack.

StrixVaria

If the level 25 guy in weak->strong gets the finishing blow on the other guy's level 30 lead pidgey, he might have an advantage.

@Yuuki For the sake of this thought experiment, I think it would be in-spirit to assume every pidgey always spams the same attack as every other pidgey.

Ellesedil

@StrixVaria I'm ok with that assumption. I'm simply trying to see if order has an inherent benefit regardless of other variables.

I suspect not, though.

StrixVaria

23:50

I don't see a way to know the answer without doing a lot of math to figure out how much damage each pidgey would do to the others, or without running an actual empirical analysis by just doing it a bunch.

The latter is probably doable with some battle software on Smogon.

I think it's plausible that one side would have an advantage, but I can't begin to guess which side it would be.

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Ellesedil

@StrixVaria I was not aware of Smogon's existence. Nifty.

Yuuki

My initial guess would be that strong -> weak would have an advantage.

StrixVaria

Smogon Damage Calculator

Well, that's convenient.

I'm not going to run the numbers myself, but if you do @Ellesedil, let me know the results.

Yuuki

Assuming that all the Pidgeys use the same moves, the L30 Pidgey would outspeed the rest.

StrixVaria

23:52

Right, so it would kill the level 5 and 10 pidgeys for free.

Yuuki

Which means that the weak -> strong team is essentially fighting with 3 or 4 Pokemon instead of 6.

StrixVaria

But the level 15, 20, and 25 would start to chip away at it.

Yuuki

And the other guy has 25, 20, 15s to finish them off.

StrixVaria

@Yuuki But if the weak -> strong guy has his level 30 pidgey survive, it can free-kill the last few strong -> weak guy.

Yuuki

My guess would be that the L30 Pidgey would go down to the L20 or L25.

That's barring Pidgey using moves with stronger base power.

In which case, it's very likely the L30 would sweep all the way to the opposing L30.

StrixVaria

23:55

I don't know that a L30 pidgey would kill a L25 pidgey even if it used something like brave bird.

> 0 Atk Pidgey Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pidgey: 57-67 (91.9 - 108%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

That's L30 attacking a L25.

The 0s are EVs.

Yuuki

So it could, but not likely.

Since the last snake thing I posted was rather popular.

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