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Jason Salaz

16:47

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Q: What stops Safari being the perfect Mac OS X browser?

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COMPLETELY subjective. This is the perfect example of a bad CW.

bmike

@JasonSalaz cringe

Jason Salaz

close it for us :)

Jason Salaz

17:09

We only need one more close vote ;_;

bmike

@JasonSalaz even with 20k rep, I can't close as a moderator can. I'm also surprised I can't fix tag synonyms like the one that bugs me the most.

Jason Salaz

Hmm, that's odd. I thought a Trusted User was in-essence a de facto mod. Kinda the point of a trusted user.

bmike

apple.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/upgrade is not the same as apple.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/update - knowing the difference is one of the big items that new people to Mac stumble on and having our site link the two as equal is embarrassing

Jason Salaz

I would write up the tag synonym thing on MSO.

bmike

ok - our Meta or the main one?

Jason Salaz

17:17

MSO, not MASE

bmike

thanks

Jason Salaz

or MAD if you prefer :)

MSO, MASE, MASC or MAD. Meta Stack Overflow. Meta Apple.SE, Meta Apple Stackexchange Com, or Meta Ask Different. (heh)

I think I like MAD the most.

bmike

@JasonSalaz I like the ring of MAD.

Sort of like - push that issue to MAD ...

I've commented on the relevant questions already asked on MSO about trusted users and tag synonyms.

A two year old answer points to the idea that they just want people to ask for the changes on meta rather than extend that tool to trusted users...

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Q: Add the ability to create any tag synonym to the "trusted user" privileges

Currently, the ability to create tag synonyms is limited to those users who have a certain amount of activity in that tag. This creates awkwardness for rare tags such as [z-order]. Request: Add the ability to create any tag synonym to the trusted user privileges.

feature-request tag-synonyms trusted-user

Jason Salaz

Isn't there a tag wiki vote function for normal users of particular rep?

Come on gang, one more close vote:

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Q: What stops Safari being the perfect Mac OS X browser?

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osx mac safari

bmike

17:35

@JasonSalaz Yes - I proposed mail as a synonym to email some ages ago and it has yet to garner a single vote. I would wager that one or two people have ever even visited that page for this site....

Jason Salaz

/me looks

bmike

apple.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms then enter mail into the filter... (as that suggestion is usually buried on page 2 when I look there)

Jason Salaz

pending (0)

and I can't click on it

I think that takes 10k

that (0) qualifier really bugs me. on edits too and what not?

that just doesn't make sense

bmike

yup - it's also odd that you can't flag synonyms. Perhaps nothing bad ever seems to get into those fields to need a nudge from the general user population

Nathan Greenstein

18:40

closed

Jason Salaz

\o/

could you CW it too?

Nathan Greenstein

19:29

Not much point. Doesn't take away the rep from before.

Jason Salaz

that's not the point

the point is that it's a CW question, and I'd like it to be part of the stats via a search like iswiki:1 closed:1

Jason Salaz

21:17

Oh man

I had noticed the nomination text there, but I didn't really pay attention to it until just a few minutes ago.

/me writes furiously

Kyle Cronin

surprisingly, there are 3 spots available

Jason Salaz

21:45

apple.stackexchange.com/election/2#post-38783 (awww, no rendering for posts of this type...)

bam!

Kyle Cronin

nice

wall of text

so you can write on demand

Jason Salaz

huh. indeed.

It's a motivation / pleasure / something something.

Kyle Cronin

I want to have the "town hall" as a live streamed podcast

Jason Salaz

That could be accomplished very nicely with a hangout

the Town Hall moderator (director?) could mute everyone but the person they're referencing

10 people could be just perfect for the candidates, and maybe some chief SE individuals, and it could be streamed for audio, then the chat room for audience questions

/me is in over-drive at the moment.

P.S. You should seriously suggest that as a general activity for SE. Like, now.

Kyle Cronin

I didn't realize you could stream a hangout - I thought that was still in testing

and I don't want to do video

Jason Salaz

21:51

I never said any such thing. And streaming is just streaming the audio on your system.

Easy-peasy, right? I proved that last night. (I know how to use Soundflower... I SWEAR! >_>)

Kyle Cronin

I thought hangouts required video

Jason Salaz

(1) you can shut your own video off (2) the video would be just between the participants

the host could/would/should stream audio out only from their computer to whatever audio source.

Kyle Cronin

no

Jason Salaz

no?

Kyle Cronin

I prefer Skype

Jason Salaz

21:53

Skype is a bit harder due to the need to exchange usernames and all that.

plus, the "mute specific users" feature is what a hangout would excel at.

which was the crux of my whole idea.

Kyle Cronin

I'm sure that if someone wants to be a mod, they'll have the motivation to exchange Skype usernames and the self control not to talk over others

Jason Salaz

Doesn't mean there aren't background noises and distractions.

coughs, sniffles, etc.

loud-loud-loud keyboards in the downtime? :)

sure, the user could just mute themselves, but... eh.

Kyle Cronin

perhaps, I'll have to look into it further but I'm not enthusiastic

and I have no interest in having SE people on

Jason Salaz

I guess you're talking podcast, and I'm talking general. For any site. Publishing the town hall on a medium more realtime than chat. Answering all the questions and what not was quite a bit hectic last year with all the messages flying back and forth, interlaced with the occasional discussion.

Kyle Cronin

yeah, chat is not a good medium to hold it in

Jason Salaz

22:00

although, the reference of the answers was nice to skim after the fact.

Kyle Cronin

we could provide a transcript

Jason Salaz

You'd lose that granularity if it were only done in audio. Unless you clipped out and transcribed each individual.

yeah what you said while I was saying it too.

Kyle Cronin

I think it's also beneficial for people to hear the candidates

get to know them, in a sense

Jason Salaz

I won't say it's better or worse, but audio is definitely a whole different medium from just text.

It's better and it's worse in it's own respective ways.

Kyle Cronin

obviously, I'll have to give up any hope of getting individual recordings and trying to edit it

Jason Salaz

22:05

which is another reason for my google hangout isolation idea.

Kyle Cronin

you really don't let things go, do you

Jason Salaz

nope :D!

Kyle Cronin

I'll look into it, but it's starting from a position of being behind

Jason Salaz

But again, you're talking podcast, I'm talking general SE applicability.

Kyle Cronin

well, why don't we talk podcast from now on, hm?

Jason Salaz

22:06

Because that's not what I'm talking about :<.

With the podcast I generally agree with you entirely. We'll have to see how timing works out, and if we have any international friends to accommodate like we did last election.

I suppose you could always accrue a list of questions, and then 1-on-1 with the user.

Though that loses some general warmth of conversationalizing and what not. (yes that is a word, shut up spell check)

Kyle Cronin

conversing?

Jason Salaz

no, conversating.

I'm in overdrive, that means I make up words that sound completely right. Among many many other things.

Kyle Cronin

yeah, I can tell

I think you need to cool down about 5 notches

Jason Salaz

:(

Kyle Cronin

that's a good start

Jason Salaz

22:10

But I'm burning off a Rockstar and lunch right now. And since entering commands into vim isn't nearly as exciting as this conversation, it's all spilling out here.

Kyle Cronin

the only vim command worth knowing is (esc) :q!, then firing up emacs

Jason Salaz

I completely agree

Kyle Cronin

yes

isn't that what I said?

Jason Salaz

I love emacs and hate vim

Kyle Cronin

I've been trying to pick it up again

Jason Salaz

22:12

I probably should have enlarged that picture by like, 20x, to be hilarious. But whatever.

wow

I saw something change and wasn't sure what, and now I see it.

What a handsome and attractive and smart mod you are, Kyle!

Kyle Cronin

:D

Jason Salaz

sheesh

your knowledge knows no limits.

Kyle Cronin

true

Jason Salaz

Yeah, pretty much.

(This conversation is going to be so confusing to anyone else reading it.)

Kyle Cronin

just curious, can you see the edit history for a comment?

Jason Salaz

22:16

yes

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/3191343/history

Kyle Cronin

ok, just curious

Jason Salaz

which is why your edits + my edits = LULZ

Kyle Cronin

I've never been a non-mod in chat so I don't know

Jason Salaz

(way to read, Jason)

Kyle Cronin

can you read (removed) posts?

Jason Salaz

22:17

doubt it

Kyle Cronin

no history info?

Jason Salaz

Kyle Cronin

ah, ok

hm, looks like I can nominate myself as a mod

Jason Salaz

hahaha

does that give you double black diamonds?

Kyle Cronin

I hope

maybe that would elevate me to the level of employee?

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Jason Salaz

22:22

heh

Either that, or just a really good ski'er

Kyle Cronin

maybe they should adopt that paradigm

Jason Salaz

wonders if you got the reference

Kyle Cronin

I got it

Jason Salaz

good

are you sure?

Kyle Cronin

allow mods to appoint users as deputies, and give them either circles or squares

Jason Salaz

22:23

I don't even know ski ratings besides single and double black diamond :P.

So I do believe you just took my joke and ran with it.

Kyle Cronin

indeed

Jason Salaz

Isn't the training course a triangle?

Kyle Cronin

now that I don't know

Alpine skiing

Alpine skiing is the sport of sliding down snow-covered hills on skis with fixed-heel bindings. Alpine skiing can be contrasted with skiing using free-heel bindings: Ski mountaineering and nordic skiing – such as cross-country; ski jumping; and Telemark. In competitive alpine skiing races four disciplines exist: slalom, giant slalom, super giant slalom, and downhill. Slalom ski races have courses that require short tight turns, whereas giant-slalom races have courses which are set with more widely spaced turns. Super-giant slalom and downhill have few turns, the courses have gates spac...

Jason Salaz

skiing.about.com/od/safetyforskiers/a/skitrailratings.htm

my link is not nearly as cool

Green Circle - The easiest trails to ski which are generally wide, groomed, and with a gentle slope. Green Circle trails are popular with beginners.

Blue Square - Considered “intermediate” trails that are steeper than beginner trails yet easy enough for intermediate skiers to ski on, Blue Square trails aren't extremely steep. They are popular trails at most resorts because they provide skiing that’s fun but not scary. Generally groomed, some Blue Square trails have easy moguls or extremely easy glades.

(hello wall of text)

looks like I'm wrong.

Kyle Cronin

I'm used to it

bazinga!

Jason Salaz

22:26

bazynga!

/me is shot

Kyle Cronin

do you watch The Big Bang Theory?

Jason Salaz

no

I don't watch TV, generally.

Kyle Cronin

nor do I, generally

Jason Salaz

generally was a bad choice of word

Kyle Cronin

what would be a better replacement?

Jason Salaz

22:31

good question, where is the up vote box?

You watch with some semblance of regularity. You've talked about those shows that take place in Maine, plus Top Gear, and a few others.

The only regular TV show I watch right now at the moment is Stargate SG-1. Previously: Dexter. Before that? No idea.

you watch stuff from this decade, at least. (Literally, stuff since 2010)

Kyle Cronin

I don't watch shows on a TV, and I do it pretty atypically compared to most people (finding an old show and blasting through the episodes), but I suppose that, based on certain definitions, I watch more TV than you

Jason Salaz

having said that, you only watch more recent TV than I. Because I'm already towards the end of season 3 after barely 2 weeks or so of SG-1

Kyle Cronin

I watched all 101 episodes of The Big Bang Theory in the last 2 weeks

Jason Salaz

sheesh

Kyle Cronin

yeah

I once watched an entire season of Deep Space Nine in a weekend

Jason Salaz

22:37

I could do that.

that's just 24 hours. start friday night end sunday night? cake.

actually, quite a bit less. commercials and all

Kyle Cronin

yeah, ~44 mins/ep

Jason Salaz

right

17.6 hours roughly

Kyle Cronin

26 episodes

19 hours

Jason Salaz

oops. right. 13 is half a season, 26 is a full season, everything else is just obnoxious.

jaberg

The TBBT episodes have a full-time place on my iPad (for those excruciating off-line times.)

Jason Salaz

22:39

Having said that, most of the seasons of SG-1 have been either 20, 22, or 24.

off-line? what's that? >_>

Kyle Cronin

@jaberg glad someone's a fan

Jason Salaz

(Answer: Something I almost was a few weeks back.)

jaberg

Cute blonde. Geek jokes. What's not to love?

Jason Salaz

But seriously. I'm online 24/7. When I'm sleeping, driving, working, at home, anything. It's pretty scary to think about actually.

Next step is the neural implant, AI, and skynet. You know how it goes.

jaberg

I generally refuse to pay for access on a plane or in a "luxury" hotel so the iPad is sometimes offline.

Jason Salaz

22:42

indeed. But I don't fly and haven't been in a hotel since... Well, ok, since May.

Kyle Cronin

hotel wifi is (usually) beyond terrible

Jason Salaz

but before that, I couldn't tell you if I've been in a hotel since 2008

(Insert Kyle's blog post here.)

Kyle Cronin

kylecronin.me/blog/2011/10/26/why-most-hotel-wi-fi-sucks.html

jaberg

I have enough offline moments that having some (device) local entertainment is useful.

Kyle Cronin

yeah

the VLC app for iPad is great, assuming you got it before it was pulled

Jason Salaz

22:45

oplayer is so much better, at least for categorization/heirarchial reasons. (read: folders)

Kyle Cronin

VLC is better at having its icon look like a traffic cone

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jaberg

I have it and actually had to use it for the first time last week. Some weird encoding on a some flying boat porn. (err promotional video)

Kyle Cronin

which is a huge feature IMO

Jason Salaz

:|

jaberg

Just read your blog post. Yes, your experience is biased, but that doesn't make it inaccurate (in my experience).

Jason Salaz

22:49

Hello again bmike, election nominations are underway if you're going to do it.

(You may know this already!)

Kyle Cronin

there was actually a span of time I was paying for tethering so I didn't have to deal with the hotel internet at that place

jaberg

Once had to have my room changed four times (at a fairly nice hotel in Reno) just to get more than a bar of wifi on my MBP. That was wifi they were charging me $20/day for.

bmike

@KyleCronin Or a triangle for people that although well intentioned, need a little schooling :-)

Kyle Cronin

right

"remedial flagging"

jaberg

I have the option of turning on the iPad 3G if I really must. So far, I've been able to limp along using the phone and hitting free wifi spots so it's never been activated. But like ketchup in a French restaurant, I may not use it but I like knowing it's there.

bmike

22:51

@JasonSalaz Yes - I saw that. I'm going to try to ping some people I hope apply as well.

jaberg

Hey bmike

bmike

@KyleCronin or mediaeval flogging

@jaberg hey @jaberg - how's life in @jaberg land?

jaberg

Heh. Let's just go with the polite "terrific". ;)

bmike

@jaberg so not so well...

jaberg

@bmike On the bright side, in four minutes I can pour a glass of anjeo without accusing myself of being decadent.

bmike

23:00

@jaberg My motto is it's now (always) 5 o'clock somewhere....

jaberg

@bmike I've been known to apply the same relaxed standard, but without standards we descend into anarchy. :) Now if you"ll excuse me for a moment I'm going to pour myself a little cold remedy.

Kyle Cronin

well, this chat has taken a depressing turn

jaberg

Didn't mean to drag it down Kyle.

Kyle Cronin

well, it's hard to know what to say to that sort of stuff

jaberg

On that note, I'll take my leave for a bit. Mom called--she wants me to take her to dinner. My evening of revelry and debauchery is on hold. Catch you guys soon.

Kyle Cronin

23:08

bye

Jason Salaz

@KyleCronin I read that as flogging at first.

Probably because bmike said it later. And my read-ahead brain went with it.

bmike

23:33

@KyleCronin Oh no - it's beautiful and sunny and warm here in minnesota.

My vehicle temp sensor was reading almost 50 degrees in the sun (and it wasn't engine heat causing the local warmth - but it probably was sun on hot pavement and no wind helping it)

Kyle Cronin

oh wow

this winter has been unseasonably warm

bmike

@KyleCronin It's not one for the record books here, but warmer than most

Kyle Cronin

yeah

it was mid-January here before we got some snow that actually stayed

bmike

@KyleCronin We still don't have permanent snow cover.

but we don't get a lot of snow most years, just that normally the little has no reason to go away for months and months

Kyle Cronin

right

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