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Bob
2:00 PM
@qwertyuiop thing is, they take contactless/pin for all visa/mc
it's just amex...
 
Eh, I dunno. Temporary glitch? Amex charging less for signature based transactions? :-/
Buggy software? ;-P
Maybe your card has a virus on it
 
Bob
lol
@qwertyuiop I've only signed for card maybe twice in my life -_-
including today
my signature looks completely different every time
 
Heh
I've probably signed dozens of times. They didn't have PIN for like half a decade after I got my first card
 
@Bob @JourneymanGeek PayDay 2
 
Bob
@allquixotic :S
I think I tried it once
 
2:10 PM
Although I've always wondered how ATMs have always had PIN capability but POS terminals didn't
 
Bob
got absolutely stomped and gave up :P
 
it's awesome in a group with people you know
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop for us ATMs do EFTPOS not credit
EFTPOS has always been PIN I think
 
I don't think I own it
 
Bob
most stores also do EFTPOS ('savings'/'cheque')
 
2:11 PM
@Bob we have something called NETs
 
Interesting
 
very similar
 
Bob
I played payday 2 during that weekend it was free :P
 
Here it's primarily been credit, with debit-based plastic coming many years later
A lot of places only accepted credit till mid/late 2010's
Since real-time/online transaction processing wasn't a thing before then
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop we have some places that only take EFTPOS :P
 
2:12 PM
@qwertyuiop here it was nets + credit for quite a while
 
AFAIK on trains/planes/etc. it's still offline-processing only and they only take credit cards
Didn't realise the systems were different in different countries
Though I know Finland has some weird 2-fa EFTPOS thing
But everywhere I've been if it says Visa/MC/Amex I just shove my Visa/MC/Amex in and it works...
 
Bob
lol
it is the international one, I suppose
 
I used to find if it said Switch/Solo it'd work in most Maestro/MC machines
And funny enough Visa Electron worked in any Visa machine except the ones that went to extra length to expressly forbid Electron cards
 
@qwertyuiop my card works anywhere. Except amazon and xiomi
 
@JourneymanGeek lol
 
2:16 PM
and I THINK I can get it to work at xiomi
 
You'd have thought that someone at the bank would have figured it'd be a bad idea to not work with.. only the largest online retailer in the world
 
(won't work without CIC numbers. Tho my hosting payments suddenly started working
or whatever the security code at the back is called
 
That reminds me, I should switch my hosting payments to this new card
That reminds me, I should switch my hosting too
 
OVH
 
Yeah, OVH seem to be the best deal if I want a hybrid SSD+HDD setup
 
2:19 PM
@qwertyuiop do they expressly forbid @electronbeam cards too?
 
But I'd have to put up with a relativelly slow/crappy processor
@allquixotic Lol you'd have to ask her
 
@allquixotic the rapscallions!
 
Huh I didn't know there was a 6-core Xeon-D
 
USB C cables are pricy.
@qwertyuiop newer IIRC
 
My provider just introduced a new Xeon-D 6-core server
 
2:22 PM
~25sgd at the local equivilent of <big computer retailer>
 
Seems cheap
 
@qwertyuiop the only downside of Xeon-D is that the single threaded performance is abysmally slow
 
and they only have C to C and C to micro.
ANd I need a A to C
 
@allquixotic That's what I was moaning about with OVH, if you want anything more than a 4-core Xeon-D you'll be paying 50% more
 
if you're going to use one it should be limited to things like web and file hosting and maybe the occasional proxy or RDP or VPN, nothing like a game server that pegs a single thread
 
2:23 PM
@JourneymanGeek Lol, my flatmate tried to find a C to C cable and could only find A to C cables -_-
 
our team building was in an escape room
 
@JourneymanGeek careful you don't get a bad one
 
@qwertyuiop yeah, wanted a spare (slow) charging option for the new phone
 
@allquixotic Fileserver/VPN/web is what mine does mostly. No gaming
 
@qwertyuiop Xeon-D would work then
 
2:24 PM
Blargh, no RPN or SAN options for this new server?!
Ffs, just when I thought it had everything I needed :-/
gtfo
 
@qwertyuiop you can apt-get install apcalc and use RPN in there... it works fine, no need to worry about the server itself ;)
 
I mean RPN as in secondary private network connection on the box
 
I cant believe I 0nly just found stack chat. how long have these rooms been around?
 
Bob
 
@Bob yeah, prolly gonna end up looking at those after the new phone comes in
 
2:26 PM
Hmm, Xeon® D-1531 for 29.99 Eur or Xeon E3 1245v5 for 39.99 Eur. Other specs all the same, and the latter gets RPN so I can add SAN $$$torage
 
@qwertyuiop I know. I meant Reverse Polish Notation ;)
 
Oh the latter also has 3 SSDs instead of 2
 
Bob
Tronsmart is usually good. Don't stand up to abuse as well as Anker, but they actually ship outside the US, sooo
 
@allquixotic dafuq
@Bob Oh Anker are good huh?
My new portable charger pack is Anker. It's nifty, but doesn't accept quick-charge in
 
@Bob heh. I think I can get Anker locally
 
Bob
2:27 PM
@qwertyuiop AFAIK? Yea, Anker cables are considered great :P
 
Anker's USB 3.0 hubs are horrid, hope their cables are better (though their battery packs are decent)
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek With a huge markup
 
@user35276 FOREVER
 
I got a nice Anker cable with my Anker charger.
 
@Bob still looking at my options
 
2:28 PM
Mind you I got some cheap shitty Micro-USB cables off Ebay and got quite lucky this time
 
@allquixotic sometime after 2010 right?
 
Bob
Tronsmart really is the easiest to get your hands on :P
They ship just about everywhere
 
@Bob I might just go the traditional route and accumilate cables ;p
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop I've gotten great 2m cables off ebay twice
out of some 20+ attempts
 
I have only 2 devices that do type C
 
Bob
2:29 PM
they did 2A charging and all
 
@Bob I got 2 good ones on my first attempt :-/
 
Bob
the first set I got was great, spent the next half year ordering random cables to try to find them again :\
 
Last time got some crappy 1m cables though
 
so I'm not sure if I need more cables
 
@Bob I got these ones: ebay.co.uk/itm/…
 
2:30 PM
(or wait for the xiomi battery packs to go USB-C, give my old one to dad, and get that ;p)
 
They do 2A charging and 18w quick charge with everything I've plugged them into
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop yea they look the same as the ones I got
 
Which is more than I can say even for the original 1.5m cable that came with my Samsung charger
 
Bob
problem is, they turn out different if you buy them again later -_-
 
And the new chat system, perhaps? — mmyers Nov 18 '10 at 21:08
no
 
Bob
2:31 PM
depends which supplier the seller found that week
 
lol
 
I guess I should buy ten of them right now then :-o
 
@Bob trouble averted ;p
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop that's what I tried lol
got the great ones, bought 10 more, a bunch of crap turned up
 
2:32 PM
looks like the OP3's charger is A to C
 
Bob
YMMV
@JourneymanGeek ?
 
@Bob so I can use the cable with my existing power bank
 
Bob
ah
 
which will charge off my existing charger and micro cables
 
Bob
personally, I'd just buy more cables
can never have enough cables
 
2:33 PM
meh. Phone first ;p
 
Bob
probably why I have a drawer with about 100 micro usbs :P
 
I thought I was losing/short of Micro-USBs
Then I went through my "random assorted junk" box and came up with those
 
Bob
lol
 
(Bearing in mind I also have 3 more cables in my travel bag, and there's four connected to that charger in the background)
Oh hey I found a bottle of Bacardi Pina Colada
what a pleasant surprise
I'll be drinking that tonight tyvm
 
Bob
o.o
 
2:36 PM
lol
also I see you have some dishes to do
 
Hmm, in fact, now that most USB chargers and cables can do 5v 2A, I can power most of my routers off USB!
And instead of six 5v wall warts, I just get one 6-port USB charger thingumy
 
Bob
my routers mostly run off 12V/1A :\
the new one is something like 18V/1.5A
 
I'm surprised that isn't a thing
 
And the ones that still require 12v I just need to hack them to ask for QC quick charge which supplies 12v/1.5A
 
standardising everything on 5v
 
2:38 PM
@Bob That's a lot of power for a router
Then again embedded SoCs are still fabbed on like 65nm-90nm processes...
My lowest power routers use about 3w. Higher end ones about 7-8w. The most inefficient router I've come across, ridiculed for its excessive heat output, still only used 14w.
18v 1.5A is ... quite a bit
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop I lied, it's actually 19 V / 1.75 A
 
Hey guys, I'm reporting in. I am very much alive. Thank you for your concern! I thought I had a DVT/Clot/Stroke/Heart Attack and I went to the ER - turns out my median nerve was entrapped, and that was making my arm go totally numb. -_- it was a great $1000 bill and they did absolutely nothing to help me, so that was great.
 
Bob
O_O
 
O_o
 
2:40 PM
o_o
 
Anyway, I spent the weekend recovering mostly and trying not to use my left arm, and it doesn't hurt nearly as much now, so I am finally able to type/do work and stuff
 
good to know you're not dead.
5
and that the official, channel approved way of dying is death by falling monitor. Anything else is not allowed.
so don't die.
 
I cried in the car on the way to the hospital... told my symptoms to the nurse and she went ghost white, hooked me up to an EKG immediately.
 
Anything else is punishable by death by falling monitor.
 
Was a very scary experience... extremely surreal. Would not recommend... 0/10
 
2:42 PM
@JourneymanGeek wtf
 
I actually like, called my aunt and told her my last wishes and shit. That was fun
 
Bob
@electronbeam yay!
@electronbeam not yay
 
if it were a clot in my arm I'd have probably not done so well. My medication has DVT as a rare side effect so I'd either lose an arm or much, much more than than
that*
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop I don't know what the actual power draw is. This is just what the adapter is capable of.
 
Bob
2:43 PM
...ow
 
But none of that turned out to be a thing! Yay! Yay for not being dead! woo!
 
yeah, that would be terrible
 
DVT shouldn't cause you to lose an arm, if it's treated properly. I hope.
 
and it being mostly harmless, as opposed to partially armless.
 
@qwertyuiop if the clot was where I think it was, it would.
 
2:44 PM
(also, feel free to let me know if my gallows humour is terrible)
 
Anyway, I'm in the office now, and trying to go easy on my arm - so I'm going to to stop typing now!
<3
 
Great, Google wallet shows I have no addresses in my address book, but if I try add a card, it lets me pick from 20 old addresses I can't delete... or add a new one
 
eh. I need to figure out if I should do with the 14 quid in my wallet
 
@electronbeam In a DV?
Worst case in a DVT is they stick a shunt in and drain you of blood, and fill you up again from a different hole on the other side.
Trust me, I'm not a doctor.
 
Bob
took me about 10 mins to upload a damn photo :S
 
2:47 PM
@qwertyuiop the complete lack of feeling and inability to move my left hand at all suggested nerve damage or tissue death
 
@electronbeam I did say treated properly, which generally means before death :-P
 
Bob
...at all? ...yea that's an ER visit
 
@qwertyuiop so while I may not have physically lost my arm, there was the possibility of you know, not being able to use it ever again
 
So when I got my first black credit card, I thought it was epic and cool, now all my credit cards are black, where do I go from here?
 
Bob
2:48 PM
@qwertyuiop transparent one
 
titanium!
 
But I thought black cards were the epitome of success and elite status
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop what are your ac routers?
 
maybe.
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop spraypaint? :P
 
2:51 PM
@Bob Archer C7, two BT Home Hub 5's, and a laptop
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop and they're all much lower? -_-
wtf asus
 
Well the laptop idles at 4w
 
Bob
I need to get a kill-a-watt or similar
bleh
 
Lol
Power adapters do tend to be majorly over specified
For safety/buffer/avoiding warranty claims even under extreme use/etc
The only power adapters I ever see being drawn at anything near their max output is probably phone chargers.
I wish it was 2002 again
Or 1998
Or 1994
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop bleh. the only way I can actually measure is with the UPS
 
2:54 PM
Or hell, 1990
@Bob get a killawatt
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop yea, I should
maybe when I figure out where from :P
then again it's only good for satisfying my curiosity :\
 
I had to explain that to someone the other day without knowing the name
Amazon has them for like £10
It can satisfy a lot of curiosity
 
Bob
lol
true
@qwertyuiop this shit is what's available locally
 
Also useful for troubleshooting dodgy power adapters and stuff
Eh doesn't look too shit
I used to use mine to measure how much my PC was drawing when overclocked, etc. But my current power supply had that built in
I just haven't bothered getting it to work
 
Bob
@qwertyuiop yea that's what i use my UPS for :P
 
3:25 PM
lol
apparently I was bitching about 3 years ago that my ISP gave us a nano sim with some data as part of a bundle we couldn't use cause we had no devices it would work with
 
4:02 PM
@electronbeam oh no!!!! *hugs*
scary
 
How is it that saving photos at 95% quality in Paint.net retains it as original, yet XnView takes away vibrancy out of it?
Tried "Close to original" and tried 100% quality. Apparently there's something that does it...
 
4:18 PM
@Boris_yo jpeg?
 
@electronbeam Glad you're fine alive!
 
puts her hands on her hips I'm fine too... if by fine you mean fiiiiiiineeeeee
dayum gurl
etc, memes
 
4:45 PM
@electronbeam any news on the job?
 
@Burgi no news. I am still waiting :(
 
well my old employers came back to me about a role I applied for... 2 months ago
500 to review new posts right?
 
That's correct, at 500 points you can review First Posts and Late Answers
At 2K you get Suggested Edits and Low Quality Posts, and at 3K you get Close Votes and Reopen Votes
 
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A: Can a high quality JPEG be converted to a low quality JPEG without decoding it?

Guido VollbedingThank you for request a comment. Well, Motion-JPEG is actually the highest quality moving picture format available, and it has great potential for further processing and transformation which is currently far from being realized. There are several aspects to consider, I can give you three partic...

answer by the "new" Independent JPEG Group libjpeg maintainer - not upvoted like John Carmack's stuff though
 
5:12 PM
Abby T. Miller on July 5, 2016
Welcome to the Stack Exchange Podcast, recorded Tuesday June 28th at Stack HQ! Today's podcast is brought to you by Eugene McCarthy for President, as well as by IBM. Try the new IBM Cloud Tools for Swift. New this week: one of those two sponsors is a real live sponsor. Bet you can't guess which one! Anyway, your hosts today are joined by Daniel X. Moore and Gareth Wilson from the HyperDev team at Fog Creek Software.
 
@allquixotic Yes.
 
5:35 PM
That my friends is how you handle exceptions
 
@GuitarShoeDave the try statement would begin the same way as the catch but with an exec() statement where the window.open() is.
 
@electronbeam lol
 
@qwertyuiop ?
 
!! Dayum
 
@qwertyuiop That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
5:45 PM
Dammit
 
@qwertyuiop yes, I'm sexy, admit it :3
 
I'm sure I added that as a command already...
 
Didn't the bot get rolled back because of some explosion recently?
 
lol
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Q: How to deal with IT help desk that does not acknowledge requests for help?

WorkerWithoutACauseWhenever myself or my colleagues contact the IT help desk, there are a series of systemic problems, namely: Not acknowledging receipt of the request Taking no corrective action and unilaterally closing cases with no explanation to the user This is what I've tried before: Speaking to the IT ...

 
6:42 PM
go to the manager :/
 
This meta post seems more appropriate for MSE than our meta
 
That meta post seems to be more on MSE than our meta
 
8T disk say average speed of USB3 data movement is 80Mb how long to fill?
 
@BenN Yes, but you can't migrate from su to meta.se
 
Right, but mods can IIRC
 
Lol
1.2 days to fill a hard drive
I remember when it used to take 30 minutes...
 
@Mokubai thank you thank you
 
7:14 PM
Oh hey, an Anker USB-C to USB-C cable
 
you know you're off-track when you start reading up on the libjpeg vs. libjpeg-turbo holy wars
== Upgrading problems == I don't think that "a common problem" paragraph is necessary--after all, if the last version is from 1998, who would have upgrading problems? Furthermore, it doesn't seem to fit in Wikipedia. Kimastergeorge 04:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC) Agreed, this is not in Wikipedia's scope per WP:NOT; I'm removing it. -- intgr [talk] 09:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC) == Website URL? == It looks like the www.ijg.org site has changed (maybe it changed owners). The link should be removed if it is no longer relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.118.71.78 (talk) 02:49, 23 January 2009...
 
 
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8:31 PM
@allquixotic It does smell a bit of religious zealotry
 
@Mokubai I was about to say he was overly zealous.
> "Nobody else does this, and it has to be done. It is not always a comfortable position, and you must be able to stand offenses, but my confidence is unshakable."
 
8:46 PM
> I am the holder of The One True Thing and heathens who follow false idols shall feel the righteous wrath that only I can bring upon them.
 
9:18 PM
!!caat
 
9:36 PM
Don't you know if I can make a windows shortcut that would execute specific exe file with given environment variable set?
 
I'm not sure. You could probably just make a batch file that sets that variable then runs the program?
 
Wait, I see that Blender accepts it as executable argument.
Probably, I can make a shortcut that specifies the argument with the exe
 
Pollution on a boat after a training session in Rio. :/
 
@MichaelFrank Wait, you're in Rio?
Or is that a random photo from the internet?
 
Oh, no.
That's from a local news site.
One of the New Zealand sailors posted the photo after going out for training.
 
9:44 PM
@MichaelFrank Tell him to take care with his equipment: translate.google.com/…
> Olympic Arena laptops Rio-2016 are stolen by security
> Three guards and a civilian firefighter were arrested red-handed on Wednesday for attempted theft of nine laptops in the National Shooting Center of Deodoro Complex mode stage the Olympic Games Rio 2016. The Military Police recovered all the equipment.
> German TV who is in Rio to cover Olympics has stolen containers
Case was registered on Friday (1st) in CFRD.
Two stolen containers have been valued at $ 1.3 million.

Two containers with transmission of a German TV equipment that is in Rio de Janeiro to cover the Olympics were stolen at around 22h on Thursday (30), at Avenida Brazil
 
Heh, gotta pay for all the new stadiums somehow, right?
 
The Mayor of Rio has warned officials are doing 'a terrible job and completely failing' in their duty of policing violent crime just weeks before the Olympics are due to kick off.

Mayor Eduardo Paes hit out at the state government as police officers who haven't been paid properly in months stood at Rio de Janiero's main airport, holding banners reading 'Welcome to Hell'.

But the police are not the only ones facing financial ruin thanks to the city's dwindling finances: it has been claimed there is no money to pay the salaries of doctors and nurses, with hospitals on the point of collapse.
 
@MichaelFrank Nah, the stadiums are paid. Overpaid, one would say. It's the police who's not being paid:
 
Nothing like attempting to host the biggest sporting event in the world to highlight the plight of your country though.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy And the doctors and nurses apparently :/
 
9:50 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy you ok? :(
like, physically safe?
 
@allquixotic Dolan pls, we call that "wednesday".
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy O_O
don't you mean "gooby"?
 
No, this is Patrick.
 
Ha
I wouldn't say locals are 'safe', but I imagine it's a lot more dangerous for foreigners at the moment, right?
 
It's quite complicated to explain. It's not that things are particularly worse. They're just more apparent.
You know when you see a cristal-clear lake, jump into it, and every step you take raise mud and sediments and the water gets dark?
Rio is the lake.
 
9:55 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy someone on my teamspeak channel, while playing the game Payday 2, told me, "this kind of shit happens in Rio every day" in reference to a bunch of gangsters running around shooting cops in ballistic vests and robbing banks and stores
 
Rio is a city where the elite and the ghetto coexist, in the same physical space, in a very delicate balance.
@allquixotic That's both true and false, in a non-Orwellian way
I'll try to explain
There's two Rios, one for the middle-class and upper class, and other Rio for the lower classes.
Two distinct realities
In one Rio, the police treat you like you're human, there's private hospitals, etc
 
yikes
 
In other Rio, you are poor, black, police beats you first and asks later, there are loooooooooooooooong lines for hospitals -> kongregate.com/games/rickswah/…
And it's been the status quo for decades as long as I can remember
The favelas (ghettos on the hills) house a huge part of the poor population and it's been historically abandoned by the government and controlled by the drug mobs
And, historically, no one cared because, although no one would assume it, "it's just the poor people"
 
are you in the first one?
 
@allquixotic In the lower strata of the first one
 
10:02 PM
ahh
 
I think we discussed it before a few years ago, I'm too lazy to search it now
 
is the lower strata of the first one much better than the second?
 
What happens is, for a few years, things are getting less stable
 
oh no
 
There's an economic crisis that, depending on who you ask, it's either rampant or not
 
10:03 PM
so are the favelas rubbing off on the more controlled areas ?
in a bad way?
 
A real estate bubble in recent years made the housing prices skyrocket
The middle class is getting smaller and poorer
@allquixotic Not that I am aware of
Let's put it like that: you'll never see the army marching heavily armed in the streets of the beach side
(well, maybe in the 2013 protests but that's another store)
But on the other hand there was a period where I'd go to work daily seeing barricades with army in camouflage near the access to a nearby favela
Locals would come and go, unfazed. Because, to them, that's commonplace
 
going home, talk to you later!
good luck!
 
To be honest, I'm more worried about ISIS.
As in, I'm not realistically considering that a scenario. But... What if...
 
10:43 PM
I need to buy a tablet
Even though I don't need a tablet, I need to buy one
 
Heat wave here in New York, no AC in my office. God help me...
 
@qwertyuiop I can help you with that. You get to buy a tablet, and I get a tablet! Win-win!
@bwDraco I know the feel, bro. One year without AC at work a couple years back.
 
The HP guaranteed buyback thing seems to have disappeared
Oh good, it's still there. Just not advertised at all and impossible to find
Had to go through the history on my work PC from 3 weeks ago to find it...
 
11:00 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy Even worse where you live. Temps routinely exceed 40 °C in your area, right?
May 11 '15 at 17:22, by That Brazilian Guy
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We're getting no more than 35 °C around here.
 
@bwDraco Between January and March, yeah
Our AC at work was broken during the hot months. Then it got fixed when the heat season ended.
It was left running daily during the cold season, then it broke again during summer.
 
Bob
35 is... bleh. Hot. Uncomfortable. Probably won't kill ya.
 
Yeah.
Depending on the humidity and other factors, 35 can be quite annoying.
 
Bob
I'm just glad I don't live in Cairns... the humidity is the real problem.
 
But it's not until it reaches 40 that I start taking four.... five... sometimes six baths a day. It gets so hot, you start sweating while you dry yourself from the shower
 
11:04 PM
High humidity, though. In a port city like New York City, high temps are almost always accompanied by very humid air.
 
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