The Whiteboard

5:33 AM

Honestly, no offence to anyone but I would kindly request the ones that are rather prompt to highlight that I am off-topic & downvote me, to kindly tell me which is the right place to ask this question? I was having a discussion about software license and I remembered about the blog post and felt that a forum filled with "programmers" would be the right place to ask this question. Also, paint.net is not the application I am thinking about. That blog post was long and thought provoking in a profound way. — qbektrix 1 hour ago

^^^ a forum filled with "programmers"... name change anyone? ;)

Duga

8:54 AM

programmers.se is a better fit for architectural questions. — BalusC 26 secs ago

Duga

3:32 PM

should this question rather be on programmers.stackexchange.com ? — Alex 36 secs ago

gnat

4:08 PM

wow @Snowman - your roll over 10K tools page was really impressive. Thanks!

Kit Z. Fox

4:19 PM

I need moral support. I'm moving an old website to a virtual server today.

Aaron Hall

4:46 PM

You can do it!

@gnat link pls.

user114359

@gnat I have been lazy lately but in general I try to use all of my delete votes each day.

user114359

@AaronHall programmers.stackexchange.com/…

user114359

Not sure if you can see that without 10k on Programmers

Aaron Hall

nope, need more repz.

user114359

I went through about 18 delete votes in about five minutes earlier today

user114359

4:50 PM

whatever my maximum is

Aaron Hall

ok, give me Q's I can A and I'll do it.

gnat

granted we seem to be getting less of delete worthy stuff last two months. Looks like recent change in network wide rate limits does a good job in throttling help vampires

...there is of course constant stream of delete votes on old stuff. My [job-] hunting, Ixrec's crusade on ide tag, Jörg's holy war against learning. But this doesn't feel like of pressing urgency, not like cleaning site of debugging flood. Business as usual, routine maintenance - I was dreaming about site returning back to that since Spring 2014

user114359

5:10 PM

@gnat might help if several active 10k users didn't either quit or just decide to neglect the site recently.

Aaron Hall

So if I'm watching tags, including Python, on Programmers, what other tags should I be watching too?

This looks like more of a StackOverflow question, is it on topic for Programmers? — Aaron Hall 8 secs ago

gnat

@Snowman that's for sure. I miss MichaelT and Glen and Jimmy

user114359

@AaronHall when Robert Harvey comments but doesn't vote to migrate, I generally avoid voting to migrate.

user114359

@gnat Yeah, I think those days are gone. MichaelT decided to cut the cord: I don't want to put words in his mouth but I know there was a mismatch between his feelings about Programmers and that of Stack Exchange. I think everyone else that are less involved looked at what MichaelT did and it woke them up to perceived neglect and constant roadblocks from SE staff.

user114359

Regardless of what the truth is, the fact is people felt a certain way and made their own decisions. I think the Programmers community is irrevocably changed even if this new SE involvement ends well for the site.

gnat

5:23 PM

@AaronHall given your SO tags, at Programmers you could additionally watch exception* family, object-oriented, unit-testing, data-structures and inheritance (possibly along with liskov-substitution)

user114359

I know I still care about the site and want to see it succeed, but my will to get involved is diminished. I stop by and help out with user moderation, but not several times a day anymore.

Aaron Hall

Yeah, those are good suggestions.

Duga

I'm not sure it'll go over well there either, but this might be a little better fit for Programmers.SE. — Jerry Coffin 27 secs ago

@JerryCoffin while technically on-topic at Programmers, this question is a bit broad for either site. What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow - What is the problem with “Pros and Cons”? — Snowman 5 secs ago

Robert Harvey

5:38 PM

...which means that the reader of the text will be unable to identify keywords such as functions and for loops etc. that would normally be color coded.

God, I hope not. How did we ever write programs before color syntax highlighting came along? What do programmers do that are color-blind? — Robert Harvey 15 mins ago

@RobertHarvey Your guess is as good as mine! It's unfortunate the book will not be printed in color, so I hope someone has alternatives for font coding instead of color coding. — NiFeTiSe 9 mins ago

WHOOSH

durron597

@Duga See like, I just can't muster the energy for this anymore

@Snowman

it's so unrewarding

gnat

@Snowman sad to hear that. And sad to realize that things are unlikely to improve. Joel Spolsky probably wants sites like Programmers to serve "entertainment" purpose ("compete with Reddit" so to speak) which means things will keep being tough for those willing to use them as knowledge repository

user114359

@durron597 I know, I haven't responded to a Duga comment in a while. Maybe once in the past month or two.

durron597

just any of it

source-code is still not blacklisted on SO

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A: Let's burn the [source-code]

Burnination Status Wiki The SO Close Vote Reviewers chatroom has agreed to take source-code under our wing in our claws. Currently there are 1587 0 remaining questions with this tag. Good job everyone!! Blacklist log: Please add questions here that have this tag, so we can prove that it keep...

user114359

@gnat Ever since Jeff left it seems there has been a push away from the Q&A and the strict quality guidelines. SE will never be reddit or any other forum-like site, but it seems they want to go that route

user114359

5:48 PM

Jeff seems like a bit of a jerk, but in a good way. Sometimes you have to make tough calls, hurt some feelings, and move on in order to improve something. Sometimes you have to call the baby "ugly" and hurt the mama's feelings.

user114359

Joel seems to be the polar opposite. Now that he runs the show, I think the CMs are soft. And my gut feeling is they are more concerned about monetizing the site and fluffing up their numbers for a possible IPO.

user114359

So, @gnat, it seems people are disillusioned about what type of site they were curating. Once the corporate overlords' stance became abundantly clear, the rats jumped off the sinking ship.

user114359

@durron597 correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole situation boils down to "the active veteran users are jaded and stopped caring."

Thomas Owens

6:04 PM

My new job is awesome. I do Rails stuff now.

gnat

@Snowman well yeah, agree that things have gotten worse after management change. I would probably give up too if I didn't experience firsthand that top management wishes don't mean that resistance is futile...

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A: How to correct a CEO's misunderstanding of a project?

You should not underestimate the role of active individual contributors. It is true that plainly raising a voice through several layers of management is difficult, but if you take into account that contributor can influence the project, the impact made on a project level can be much more noticea...

enderland

@ThomasOwens this is part of why I am less active here too, I love my new job a lot :-)

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