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Jon
12:00 PM
And if you finish it Nintendo will surely sue your ass
They are known for it
 
@Jon yep, that was the fate of flappy bird developer afaik
 
Jon
Starbound creator Tiy also. Super Mario X
A wicked multiplayer mario 2d game. It's great try it
Watch out for viruses though it's not that easy to find
 
No evidence of Flappy Bird being sued.
 
Jon
Yeah I didn't know what he was talking about
 
> It is not anything related to legal issues. I just cannot keep it anymore.
I'm pretty sure that's 100% bullshit.
Who'd take down a money machine because they "cannot keep it anymore".
 
Jon
12:08 PM
An idiot
 
wasn't he making like 10k a day?
 
It was pretty crazy yeah.
 
Jon
I think that is also bullshit
 
Why is that?
You think revenues from in-game ads cannot be that high?
 
Jon
Because it is very hard to believe
 
12:10 PM
Well, a shitload of people played it
 
I don't know how much is generated by a single user, but the article linked mentions 10m downloading it before it was removed. Add that to the existing user base and you might get an approximate number.
 
I don't know who clicks on the ads...
I certainly never do.
 
Well, ads pay for each view as well.
 
(On purpose)
Really? Oh well that explains something!
 
But I think people playing flappy bird might be the kind of people that enjoy simple games, so if the ad is for another simple game, they're on.
 
DH.
12:13 PM
This is just myth right? Because, I didn't played the original but people says there wasn't ads on it
 
Jon
I didn't even see ads in that game
I'm almost certain there was no ads
 
DH.
Some ads are pay per view(mostly the videos ones) and others are pay per click(mostly image ones)
 
Jon
Personally I would not want to get famous off a shit game like that
But that is what people want. Fml
 
Make another CoD :P
 
I still have the original version of it
And it has ads
They appear "randomly" if you've lost in the menu
 
12:16 PM
@Jon Most likely, you'll produce a shit game and never get famous...
4
Not you you, but you get it...
 
Jon
Yeah
 
Too bad the @Jon part doesn't show in the star.
Would've been a great out of context star ;)
> Best way to ruin a hobby is to turn it into your full time job.
The opposite is also true.
Best way to ruin a full time job is to turn it into a hobby.
You won't have that full time job for long.
 
Flappy Bird had ads, on the game over screen.
So assume 10 million downloads, one ad per week per download, $1/ 1000 ads...
 
@WilliamMariager If you become a multi-millionaire and you no longer need to work, will you stop working? I think my day job would become my hobby...
 
You might be right :P
 
12:26 PM
That comes to, what, $10,000/week, and I think that's pretty conservative.
 
But I doubt it'd be a full time job :P
 
I've heard estimates of something more like $50K/day.
 
@WilliamMariager I don't think so either...
You'll have to work to keep the money flowing...
I'd probably take classes in finance or something.. to help reduce the possibility to get scammed or something...
 
Jon
If you are rich you literally can keep your family rich for eternity
If you are not a moron
 
@PearsonArtPhoto I probably just took the money and go. "I don't need to work for the next couple of years" + "If I don't take it down now, Nintendo will bite"
 
12:29 PM
@Jon Depends what you mean by "your family"
 
@Jon Yeah; the if part is important
 
That tree grows quickly. It doesn't take many generations to reduce a fortune to nothing.
 
@WilliamMariager he said "if you're not a moron" :P
 
Like I said, it depends on what you mean by family. :)
 
I'd bet he made at least a million off of the game.
 
12:31 PM
That means that if you're not a moron, you'll make sure that all of your children get enough, and you'll teach them to make enough in their turn....
 
Dong Nguyen was a bit of a fool if you ask me.
 
If it's the immediate people, your children and yourself, then sure.
 
He should have sold the game if he didn't want to deal with it.
 
Ah, yeah, not your brothers, sisters and cousins..
 
Actually, it doesn't work like that Alexandre. I remember reading an article about it recently.
 
12:31 PM
I'm sure he could have sold the game to someone for several million.
 
Each time you split up your fortune, you make it harder to get back to a maintainable level.
So while your kids might live well, their children will likely not have the same leisures.
 
@WilliamMariager Isn't possible to get back to square one each generation?
 
Old money (sometimes referred to as Family Cash or Family Money) is "the inherited wealth of established upper-class families (i.e. gentry, patriciate)" or "a person, family, or lineage possessing inherited wealth". The term typically describes a class of the rich who have been able to maintain their wealth over multiple generations, often referring to perceived members of the de facto aristocracy in societies that historically lack an officially established aristocratic class (such as the US). == United States == American locations that are associated with old money include the Upper East Side...
 
I wish I could find the article. It was pretty good.
 
May I suggest you migrate your conversation to here:

http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/14784/personal-finance-money

I don't want to have to read your personal discussions. Thanks.
 
12:36 PM
Why?
 
because java
 
Maybe, this is research for a game, deal with it
 
@ShaunWild Please stop trolling.
 
I mean, sure this is a gamedev chatroom, and gamedev conversations have priority. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to talk about other things
 
Jon
Wow
 
12:39 PM
@KevinvanderVelden If I'm refraining from discussing Java, then you guys should respect me. "You're getting under my skin".
 
Jon
Gonna block someone for the first time
Shit starter
 
@ShaunWild why are you refraining from discussing java?
 
We have to know what we're going to do when we become rich and famous;-)
 
It's kinda confusing Jon. To me Kevins message came of out nowhere.
 
@Jon your loss not mine :)
@KevinvanderVelden Because I was asked to stop as it was annoying people.
 
Jon
12:40 PM
Yeah I am joining you will
 
There's also no ban on discussing java, there's also no requirement to like or dislike it
@ShaunWild whah? When did that happen
 
@KevinvanderVelden Yesterday.
 
Jon
Soon no one will be able to see his messages lol
 
Why is that?
 
There's an ignore feature on this site
 
Jon
12:41 PM
I just used it for the first time
 
@ShaunWild I can't find it in the transcript do you have something more specific then yesterday?
 
Well I have very interesting knowledge to add to this discussion. So it's your loss.
 
Jon
On this guy that comes here just to start shit
 
@Jon what selfless sociopath?
That's mick
 
Jon
I love mick
 
12:42 PM
yesterday, by Josh Petrie
Please stop interjecting random evangelical assertions into otherwise unrelated conversation. It is annoying.
Oh that ^
 
Jon
I don't care if Josh is annoyed either lol
He chose to be a mod
 
it wasn't just josh who was annoyed
 
Jon
Personally I couldn't do it
 
If you mean that then that's not a "You're not allowed to discuss java" that's a "You're constantly saying java without it being of any relevance, could you stop that"
 
Jon
Ignore him lol
It's better
 
12:44 PM
I tend to only ignore people when they reach mick levels of annoying and even him I've removed from the list
 
Jon
:)
 
odds on trump at Paddy Power are now 9/4
 
Who is Mick?
 
MickLH
 
Jon
Crook vs racist
 
12:45 PM
super smart guy, loves to help, gets weird on occasion.
 
Basically me
Without the weirdness.
 
Yarp
 
Jon
Self proclaimed prophet
 
@Almo Once went on a flagging and sockpuppeting spree that got him banned for months
 
user92578
12:46 PM
you are nothing compared to mick
 
oh yeah
:)
 
No wait, should have gotten him banned for months but was only a few weeks
(I say should because the standard extra ban for ban evasion is a month)
 
Jon
Bruce Banner
Would be a great mod name
 
lol
 
ahhaha
Poloniex uses an animated gif of thor throwing his hammer at the camera when they ban people
 
Jon
12:49 PM
Lol put a little salt on that wound
 
I've always liked the idea of hellbans
 
What are you guys favourite games?
 
user92578
anything not made in java
 
I liek Runescape, Minecraft
Fifa 09 for android
Wurm Online
 
Currently overwatch
 
Jon
12:52 PM
Java, the poor man's C#
 
Lol.
 
I'd like to play eve online again, but I know how this will end, so I'm not going to..
 
Jon
Ruler of the universe?
 
DH.
Ruler of the procrastination I would say
 
@tkausl What would happen?
 
DH.
12:55 PM
At least that's what happened during the last vacation I played WoW
 
Essentially I'd waste hours to plan and set up my planetary interaction, skill some mining skills, start mining, and after a few days/weeks I just say "fuck it, this PI stuff is so boring, mining isn't fun either" and quit
 
Ah hehe
I used to just mine all day
Other stuff just takes too much time
Well I could do stuff like missions for agents, but that's about it..
Was fun !
I still have 3 accounts... CCP makes a lot of money with me hehe
 
@ShaunWild LoL, EVE, Crypt of the Necrodancer (for current games... my list of favorite games is LONG and goes back to stuff like Asteroids and Ballblazer)
 
I always wanted to move into a wormhole
alone
just do my thing, mine some stuff, produce everything I need through PI
But well... never happened.
 
Who here regularly takes part in Ludum Dare?
 
1:03 PM
I'm considering doing it next time.
 
Which date is it on next?
 
I've taken part in a few gamejams
 
My Ludum Dares are always ruined by my art lol
 
Jon
And how was it
Make anything good?
 
Should be ~ August, I think.
 
1:14 PM
@Jon, what are the other games you're currently working on?
 
Jon
Poop Troop
Space Taxi
H3h3 adventures
Poop in my soup was a huge success. So we now know games about taking a shit are gonna sell
So I got on the bandwagon started drawing shit sprites. Give the people what they want
 
Gross dude.
 
Afternoon
 
Jon
Whoa hold your horses it's still morning fam
 
1:25 PM
If a country does not allow android IAP, will it not load the rest of the app?
 
Jon
Hmmmm
Good question
 
I got a friend in macedonia testing out the game I'm making
and the app stops when it starts to load the IAP related stuff
 
Jon
If you decouple it. My guess is it should work
 
@Jon not for me
@Jon "decouple" what does that mean?
 
@Jon Lies, it is very much afternoon in Correct Earth Time
 
Jon
1:27 PM
Make it work without iap
And have iap as an addon
 
Thats the next step though;
If I am to do that I have to find a way to block the IAP service in countries not supported
 
Jon
Must be articles on this
 
I can work out a list in and shove it into an array, but the problem will be to detect the country the user is in
 
@ShaunWild not me. too many games I have to make already, don't need more
 
Jon
Strange
Didn't know you were working on a new game
 
1:32 PM
I'm thinking of using Ludum Dare to kick start a game idea of mine...
 
user92578
anyone seen my motivation?
 
I have a half dozen games I want to make, surely I can use the theme to do one of them...
It flew out the window?
 
@Jon I even uploaded a progress log on my website
 
@Jon I have more concepts that need to be done
 
It'll be back as soon as you have to do something else.
 
1:33 PM
Also need to make the computer version of cognizer for steam
 
Jon
@Tyyppi_77 you are the most motivated person here
 
^
 
Jon
Compared to Shaun you are a God
Compared to me, a mere mortal but a cool one with nice muscles
 
hahah :D
 
user92578
haha thanks for the boost guys
 
user92578
1:35 PM
that'll do just fine :)
 
Agree, Tyyppi is definitely making the most week over week progress of anyone in this room...
 
Jon
No full time job though
Or kids
Tiiiiiiiiime is not on my side. No it ain't.
 
user92578
yup, summer holiday
 
@Jon eat sleep code repeat
 
user92578
I feel like I should get on Greenlight
 
Jon
1:38 PM
Yeah just let my son take care of himself
 
You definitely should
 
Hey @Tyyppi_77 got any new screens ?
 
Jon
They are opening a trampoline Park here soon
Glad I have a kid
Otherwise I'd look like an idiot
 
DH.
lol
 
so you can go and not look like a weirdo/pedo :D
 
Jon
1:39 PM
Precisely
 
I guess that's one upside of having kids
 
user92578
@UriPopov not sure what you've seen
 
user92578
twitter.com/Tyyppi_77 anything new there?
 
last thing i've seen is the bomb level
 
Jon
1:43 PM
Cool thanks
Pretty horrible domain name
 
I want to be a famous coder
where do I need to click?
 
Jon
I don't like hyphens or special chars in a domain name
Hyphen is the only special char that is allowed for a domain
 
user92578
 
user92578
Screenshot of a new level
 
1:50 PM
@Tyyppi_77 Very nice indeed. That would look even better with some lighting and particles :)
 
user92578
Lighting is a no-go, and I only spawn particles when something happens
 
@tkausl it is just a game. you don't actually code with it
 
You can't go wrong with some static particles milling around
and what's wrong with lighting?
 
user92578
I can't implement it
 
Why not?
 
user92578
1:51 PM
SDL2 doesn't really have a way to implement it
 
Ahh. It's not a problem at all in Java. I'm not sure about other frameworks though :(
 
user92578
It is a problem in Java
 
user92578
Java does not implement lighting for you
 
I've never had problems with my lighting.
 
user92578
But that is not because of Java.
 
1:52 PM
Java has a way of implementing it though.
 
@Tyyppi_77 DON'T YOU BLAME JAVA!
 
SDL2 doesn't.
@Polarbear0106 welcome to the club
 
user92578
@ShaunWild Please, show me the standard where Java implements lighting.
 
ahem
one sec
 
I said Java allows you implement lighting..
 
Jon
1:53 PM
Whoa
 
user92578
This is some next level idiotism right here Jon
 
DH.
You can implement it in ASM
 
Well played @Polarbear0106
 
user92578
OMG
 
user92578
1:54 PM
you guys really don't get the point
 
Jon
What
 
user92578
LWJGL is not a Java feature.
 
Considering lighting is just an algorithm, you can implement it in anything that allows you to draw pixels.
 
Jon
I ignored Shaun
 
@Tyyppi_77 It adds openGL
 
user92578
1:54 PM
Can you guys help me here?
 
user92578
These guys are not getting the point.
 
it is the port to OpenGL
 
DH.
I was joking yet
 
Jon
Yeah man
 
If you guys keep replying to me @Jon will have to unblock me
Out of Curiosity
 
Jon
1:55 PM
Tile based lighting is dead simple
 
user92578
I know what LWJGL does
 
shove some shaders in
 
Jon
Do you have render targets?
 
user92578
seriously, I need some help explaining the difference of LWJGL and Java to these guys
 
LWJGL is a library
 
Jon
1:56 PM
Ignore them
 
user92578
I could do shading if I were to use OpenGL
 
Yes you could
 
user92578
Java does not make lighting easier.
 
user92578
LJWGL does make implementing lighting easier.
 
user92578
See the difference?
 
Jon
Lol
 
It is still easy to implement lighting in JavA
 
Jon
Dear Lord
 
user92578
No.
 
user92578
OMG
 
Jon
1:57 PM
Make it stop
 
user92578
WHAT IS HAPPENING
 
Look @Tyyppi_77
If java doesn't make it easier,
do it anyway
 
user92578
@ShaunWild okay, show me you implementing lighting with Java. No help libraries, do it in JAVA
 
or quit
 
Jon
@Tyyppi_77 do you have render targets?
 
user92578
1:57 PM
yeah I do
 
hugs Tyyppi_77
 
Jon
I'll show you something
 
user92578
thanks, @WilliamMariager
 
Jon
Not home right now
 
Jon
1:58 PM
But my lighting solution could be useful for you
Per tile and uses render targets
 
user92578
@ShaunWild @Polarbear0106 This would be a good and teaching read for you: stackoverflow.com/questions/3763045/…
 
user92578
@Jon Hmm, maybe, all though per-pixel would be probably cooler
 
user92578
I'd love to check it out anyways!
 
Jon
Yes it would
Per pixel lighting requires shaders
 
@Tyyppi_77 I've done it before. I'll send you something when I get home from work.
 
user92578
1:59 PM
Yeah that's true
 

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