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Shog9

12:11 AM

@EcstaticSnow Users active in this room, by month

Messages posted, by month

No guarantees as to the quality of these users or messages, mind you.

And yes, that's a significant drop in messages for April

Ampt

2:38 AM

@Shog9 actually I don't - I have no answers and no questions that anyone can vote on

and I may have bountied all of my association rep on a question I felt strongly about

now I'm a 1 rep user

and it takes two to ask a question or post an answer

@EcstaticSnow yes. but it has nothing to do with bean. he was here for a very, very short amount of time before you started joining.

@Shog9 is the 2 rep thing a temporary limit?

Shog9

3:04 AM

@Ampt depends on your definition of temporary

At the current rate, it'll take another 2 to 4 months for everyone to view that inbox message.

Ampt

Inbox message?

Shog9

Of course, that rate likely won't remain consistent

So... Who the hell knows?

Anyway... Find one of my many typo-filled posts and suggest an edit.

Ampt

I'll be honest, I really just wanted to point out that in the efforts to combat spam, you've caught me, a mostly sincere user on the network. Whether or not that actually interests you is up to you guys

Not like I would have had much to say in the stream of consciousness that the town hall was

although there were some good points brought up

Shog9

@Ampt well, I came here to engage you regarding it, didn't I?

Ampt

Absolutely, I mean no disrespect.

Shog9

3:10 AM

By the way, I really need a new laptop. Mine is currently no longer accepting input. So I'm typing on my phone.

Ampt

hope you enabled that new beta interface

that is SO much better than the old one

Shog9

Any suggestions for a machine with a not-crap keyboard are appreciated...

Ampt

what do you want to do with it?

Shog9

Type at you

Ampt

ha

Shog9

3:11 AM

...while drinking

Ampt

I'd suggest a chromebook, but I hear they actually kind of suck when you use chrome

the irony in that is delicious

I have a razer blade and love it, but it's definitely overkill for just typing at socks on the internet

I use mine for dev work quite often

and gaming... obviously

I need something to do to pass the time in the dryer

Shog9

@Ampt describe the keyboard

Ampt

chicklet keys, backlit, with a solid response that lets you know you've hit the key

they aren't like metal on metal when you get to the bottom of the very short travel, but they aren't mushy like some keyboards can be

Shog9

You lost me at "chicklet"

Ampt

they look like the chiklet candies

did you not have a childhood you heathen?

Shog9

3:16 AM

Keys should be big n heavy n click dammit

If I wanna chew something, I have plenty of pine sap.

Ampt

go get a typewriter and mail me your comments you friggin old man

Shog9

SETTLE DOWN, SONNY, 'FOR I PUT YOU OVER MY KNEE & GIV YE A TASTE OF MY MODEL M

cough

Ampt

what, are you trying to kill me?! those things weigh like 50 pounds!

Shog9

Steel backplate, baby

Ampt

Found your laptop:

Shog9

3:25 AM

Yessss

I assume the dragon makes it go faster

Ampt

well, obviously

they don't just put those on any laptop

only the fastest ones

to make them even faster

they're like spoilers on hondas

it only weighs 9.9 pounds!

and comes with a super slim 330W charging cable

LOL

Shog9

Excellent

WHERE DO U PAYS MONEY

user41796

@Shog9 Those are some unusual stats for this room

user41796

And I still have a model M at home. Best. Keyboard. Ever.

Shog9

3:42 AM

Indeed.

I've had mine since 1993

Manufactured in 1987

user41796

Mine has a PS/2 interface on it. And while I have an adapter or three for it, it's fallen out of use

user41796

The machine-gun sound it makes can be a bit disconcerting in an open cube environment

Shog9

Yeah, but those environments suck anyway

user41796

Although I'll be moving to an office environment in the very near future .... temptation may get the best of me.

user41796

One of the offers I had was in a low wall cube farm. Bleh.

Shog9

3:44 AM

Ugh

user41796

They did not receive the accept. But I'm grateful that I was in a position to where I could pick and choose.

user41796

And to be honest, there were other overriding factors beyond the physical work environment that guided my decision

Robert Harvey

Talk:Non-functional requirement

== Emotional Factors such as "Wow." == Sorry, but no. That's not a "software requirement" of any kind, and I don't appreciate my edit being reverted. Instead of reverting under the theory that "all non-functional requirements are unmeasurable" (which is patently false, by the way), I think the onus is on you to defend "emotional factors such as 'wow'" as worthy of being in a requirements document. == Redirect? == Maybe it would be better to simply REDIRECT to this article. --MaxHund 16:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC) == Recent-ish Paragraph Addition == It strikes me that it might be a touch PoV...

user41796

@RobertHarvey That threw me for a bit. I've never ventured into the meta aspects of those pages.

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 This guy has been blocked before for edit warring.

user41796

3:51 AM

Gee, I wonder why

Robert Harvey

That was my new section in the Talk article. I couldn't be bothered to log in.

Keep forgetting the password.

His theory for reverting has to be some kind of logical fallacy.

user41796

This is merely reminding me why I'm glad I don't bother contributing to wikipedia

user41796

At least with SE I get fake unicorn points

Robert Harvey

Most of the big editors over there are incredibly pedantic.

user41796

Do I need to pretend to be surprised?

Robert Harvey

4:01 AM

They have this "three paragraph rule" for article introductions. I tried shortening an introduction one day because it merely parroted the actual article, and was told "This is how it works here."

But you're right. It makes it incredibly demotivating to correct what to me is an obvious error.

user41796

No, no. It's not an obvious error. Let me help you understand how we do things here.

Robert Harvey

Meh. So done with it.

I do see how folks coming here for the first time can be frustrated.

user41796

I would agree

user41796

I have kicked around the idea of running sessions at some of the dev conferences on "how to ask a SO | Progs question"

Robert Harvey

How to Ask Questions the Smart Way is all anyone ever needs to know.

A brief excerpt:

RTFM and STFW: How To Tell You've Seriously Screwed Up

There is an ancient and hallowed tradition: if you get a reply that reads “RTFM”, the person who sent it thinks you should have Read The Fucking Manual. He or she is almost certainly right. Go read it.

RTFM has a younger relative. If you get a reply that reads “STFW”, the person who sent it thinks you should have Searched The Fucking Web. He or she is almost certainly right. Go search it. (The milder version of this is when you are told “Google is your friend!”)

user41796

4:06 AM

Yeah, so I would do a complete ripoff of that and present it. Because folk are too lazy to go read on their own. :-)

Aaron Hall

well I missed the flurry of activity...

Duga

7:07 AM

This is a general question - What's with programmers.stackexchange.com? — Clijsters 29 secs ago

Duga

8:22 AM

You'll probably have an easier time getting this question answered over at the sister site programmers.stackexchange. SO is more focused on specific programming problems and errors that you need help fixing, whilst programmers.SE focuses on architecture/design/methodologies and generally more the whiteboard aspect of programming. — Raphael Miedl 36 secs ago

Phil Lello

9:12 AM

Morning all

Ah good, I resolved my question by explaining it without hitting enter.

I all that a win

Duga

12:04 PM

@Dennis Where is your Code Review question? I don't see it anywhere. Where did Code Review suggested that you go to Programmers? — Simon Forsberg 13 secs ago

Duga

1:18 PM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because legal or licensing advice is off-topic on Stack Overflow. You may be able to get help on Programmers Stack Exchange, but read their faq carefully before proceeding. — Kyll 13 secs ago

Duga

1:40 PM

I moved this question to programmers.stackexchange if anyone still want to contribute please follow the link. I think this a great question programmers.stackexchange.com/q/317799/227513 — peter 24 secs ago

Duga

4:37 PM

Check this out: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/180501/… — aldanux 42 secs ago

EcstaticSnow

5:46 PM

Wishing there was something to lurk

but I'm stuck in the slow month

Phil Lello

Hmm... anyone here know much about java servlets?

EcstaticSnow

Java servlet

A Java servlet is a Java program that extends the capabilities of a server. Although servlets can respond to any types of requests, they most commonly implement applications hosted on Web servers. Such Web servlets are the Java counterpart to other dynamic Web content technologies such as PHP and ASP.NET. == Introduction == Servlets are most often used to process or store a Java class in Java EE that conforms to the Java Servlet API, a standard for implementing Java classes which respond to requests. Servlets could in principle communicate over any client–server protocol, but they are most often...

Phil Lello

Trying to work out how to add a directory to the searchpath for a generic servlet... and for the second time today, asking the question has told me the answer. A dir in the classpath should do

I need a rubber programmer to talk to.

EcstaticSnow

I've only just recently started learning java, therefore I'm not much help.

Shog9

6:32 PM

@Ampt OK, this looks promising

Ampt

@Shog9 so you're going big? that thing is a beast

I dont even see anywhere where you can buy it either

Shog9

Release date is June something

@Ampt only other laptop I've been able to find with mechanical keys is that MSI dragon-adorned thing

Ampt

ok but how portable does this thing need to be?

also, are you really that set on a mechanical keyboard?

like you're in "I-can't-deign-to-drive-a-car-with-less-than-16-cylinders" territory

Shog9

6:54 PM

@Ampt so here's my thought process...

Only point to a laptop is portability

I wanna work from the patio, the car, the bar... I can.

However, if the experience away from my desk is crap, I won't

So buying a laptop w/ shitty keyboard or screen negates the purpose of buying a laptop at all

Now, you'd think that'd still leave a big margin for compromise

Thomas Owens

Can you really work without two monitors? I'm not sure I can anymore. I wouldn't mind a single computer that's both good for working on and good for entertainment, but I'd only work at my desk where I have two monitors.

Shog9

Accept a slightly worse keyboard in exchange for better portability, say

But... Laptop keyboards have gotten really really bad

Ixrec

I definitely can't, but that's because my work requires so many different windows they simply don't fit on one monitor

Shog9

Keep in mind, most of my current job involves writing :-)

Thomas Owens

That's true. I just can't bear to code without two monitors. One for my editor/IDE and the other for Stack Overflow and language docs in a web browser.

Shog9

7:00 PM

I definitely like having that option, and with a good laptop screen and 30" monitor my desk is a very pleasant place to work

Thomas Owens

I think I'm now a two computer person. A desktop for programming and light gaming at home and a lower end laptop for web stuff on the go. But not a Chromebook. I want to do things like watch movies or, if I'm away for an extended period of time, do things like code.

Ixrec

if I only needed an IDE and a browser, I would absolutely do that on one monitor because that's less distance my eyes have to travel between the two

but my typical workspace is that plus ten other windows

Shog9

@ThomasOwens And that's the kicker for me: I can do so much light stuff from my phone now that "portable" really just means "let me sit down and work anywhere"

I don't really need something I can balance on one hand

Thomas Owens

For me, work usually involves a VM. I'm trying to do more web development and I do want to get more into C and C++. Doing that on Windows is painful.

Shog9

C is painful on Windows?

Why?

Thomas Owens

7:03 PM

Because Cygwin sucks.

And so does MinGW.

Shog9

Oh. Well, supposedly the next Rev of Win10 will make you happy then.

Ixrec

I can confirm both suck for serious development

the one time I tried to make a legitimately cross-platform program I ended up with two totally unrelated workflows/toolchains, because you just can't use the same one for Windows as for all the *nix-related OSes

Shog9

I gotta say VS has gotten very good for C++. A far cry from the old days.

Ixrec

exactly, VS was so much better than all of the ports of nix-y stuff

Shog9

But, cross platform has always been painful

Thomas Owens

7:06 PM

I prefer standard C++, preferably with a GNU compiler, to Microsoft's tools. Maybe it's gotten better and I should look at it again.

Ixrec

I prefer that when it works. I just could not get it to work on Windows, and oh god I tried.

Thomas Owens

I am looking forward to the Windows 10 updates that run Ubuntu software.

Shog9

I think it will. Long overdue, really

MS made a half-hearted attempt at a POSIX subsystem back in the NT days, but never much bothered to actually make it usable

This looks much more sincere

Thomas Owens

It does. I want to see it in action before I commit, though.

sahil

7:25 PM

I am looking for event tracking software. We need to track what changes we made to our website on what day. Any idea if any software already exists?

Ixrec

as in, you need to track what files you deployed to the production web server when?

Ampt

9:05 PM

@Shog9 have you used a macbook pro by any chance? I'm curious to see where you sit on the feel of those keys

I don't think I've had a laptop where I've felt that the keyboard was sub-standard, but most of the laptops I've used have been 1500+ so... maybe that has something to do with it?

EcstaticSnow

@Shog9 I'm looking for a laptop to, but this looks like what I might get

Shog9

9:51 PM

@Ampt I hate them. I hate them with a passion.

Ampt

well, those are about as good as chicklet keys go so.. yeah, you'll want one of those fancy mechanical keyboards

or you could just carry around a keyboard with you

Shog9

@Ampt I could, but I wouldn't.

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