The Whiteboard

12:11 AM

Well, this is a train wreck:

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Q: What design patterns exist for large dataset manipulation within MVC for a rich client data grid?

I want to feed an HTML5 data grid with large data sets that the client will want to manipulate in different ways, e.g. aggregation, grouping, pivoting. The data comes from different web services and the client will be carrying out transactional operations on it. The data grid will contain vari...

Ixrec

apparently I'm not the only one who wasn't paying attention to the site when this happened

Duga

1:24 AM

Stackoverflow is aimed for people who ran into errors in their code who could not find a solution elsewhere, perhaps you can ask on programmers.stackexchange.com for an advised method? — Arescet just now

Don Code

Hi Guys, I just posted a question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36465078/grails-google-visualization-plugin .

Please give me any guidance you have, any help is appreciated. I have been trying to figure this out since Sunday now. Thanks

Aaron Hall

1:37 AM

@DonCode It's not usually considered good form to post a question you just asked in chat.

Don Code

@AaronHall sorry buddy, I'm just really frustarted and need help

Aaron Hall

The attention it gets is likely to be negative so most rooms have rules against it.

user15026

Yeah, you're definitely not going to endear yourself to people.

Aaron Hall

But we can talk about being frustrated. I've been frustrated all day.

:(

Don Code

so what should I do about it?

what would be a good resource?

would someone look at some tutorial with me together?

it's crucial

Aaron Hall

1:52 AM

Dude, I barely read it because I was probably going to wind up flagging or downvoting and I figured you needed some undeserved mercy.

Grails I know nothing about.

You either need to find a few tutorials and work through them all or find a good book or documentation or something. I don't think you're likely to get help with this here though.

Don Code

I looked at a bunch of tutorials, they are all so high level. I'm just not sure where to place the things. My problem in web-develpoment is that I don't know how things are connected.

I'm a low level guy.

Aaron Hall

Well from looking at the front page I don't think grails is going to help you connect the dots - it's going to work like magic and you're probably not going to be able to troubleshoot it on your own.

Don Code

All i've seen is some html code, then some .js code, and it works.

if I only knew where to inject the damn things!

Aaron Hall

Have you tried IRC or Reddit?

or a grails forum?

Don Code

i tried reddit

here

but i dont know of any grails forums

Aaron Hall

2:10 AM

there are none?

lmgtfy.com/?q=grails+forum

The top link should give you a dozen or so forums.

teaches fishing

Hey, sometimes I get lazy and ask stuff on chat that I should have googled in the first place, but I try to remember to Google it first.

Don Code

I treid EVERYTHING

the problem si that everything is so high level

i need some beginerr type instrcution

Aaron Hall

Looks like maybe some online videos at the bottom of this page: grails.org/learn.html

Good luck!

Mar 29 at 21:20, by Aaron Hall

"I've tried everything!" "Have you actually tried anything?" "No."

Don Code

2:27 AM

`dude

maybe not

cause i dont know what im doing

buty es

Aaron Hall

Have you tried learning Python? Python's easy to learn.

Here's the datamodel docs, it's really short: docs.python.org/2/reference/datamodel.html

Aww, he left. :(

Anyone want to learn Python? I'm taking all comers for the next 15 minutes.

Aaron Hall

3:11 AM

Well, I guess I had no takers, and I have to be at work early tomorrow, so have a great night and fabulous dreams. Cheers!

@JörgWMittag hey hey hey

good night!

Duga

8:26 AM

To broad a question. Split it up, ask developer questions here and maybe try programmers.stackexchange.com for conceptional questions. — Ralf de Kleine 26 secs ago

Ferrybig

8:56 AM

Are licensing questions still on-topic on programmers? I have a question over hoe the gpl works with a certain dependency I have.

Ixrec

9:24 AM

answerable licensing questions are still on-topic yes

the rule of thumb is we'll help explain "the spirit of the license" but if it's about pinning down the exact legal meaning and consequences we close as being a question for a lawyer

meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7265/…

Jörg W Mittag

@Ferrybig Note that licensing questions may also be on-topic on Law, and Free/Libre/Open Source Software licensing questions may also be on-topic on Open Source. It is perfectly possible for a question to be on-topic on more than one site, you can then pick and choose what kind of expert answers you're interested in. In this particular case, the main difference between those other sites and Programmers is probably going to be that (unlike us) those guys actually have a clue :-P

As always: take the tour, read the help center, read the FAQ, browse Meta, browse the site, ask in Chat, to make sure that your question actually is on-topic and not a duplicate.

MUmla

hey guys!
I just asked this question here http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/314957/202482 and was redirected to this chat.
can you help? even in a way like giving an idea where a good place is to ask this question.

Ixrec

it's not about the place to ask, it's about being way too broad to "answer"

it can be discussed, but the start of the discussion will be asking you a ton of questions about what your requirements and use cases are

thorsten müller

9:39 AM

First thing would be what kind of software this is. Is it a general statistical tool (like say RapidMiner, KNime) or are statistics more a kind of by product (like with some logging or monitoring tools)?

(also reddit is a good place for broad and open ended questions. There are tons of subreddits like AskStatistics that could help (that just for further research since you most likely will need a lot of input).

Also how important are those visualizations? So how much time can you invest? In my experience most math oriented tools do not put too much effort in the 'nice looks' or 'interactive' side. Though there are lots of options. For example if you are using R ggplot2 is the standard. It looks nice enough (with some effort) but you can easily change to something like plotly if you want interactivity.

MUmla

ah, got it.
but the problem stays :(

I'll give it a try:

thorsten müller

Or it could be totally based on graphical interaction. Like most of IBM Watson Analytics where the visualizations are somehow an integral part of the user interface. In this case you would have to write a lot of code on your own (still tools like d3js would come in handy). Maybe worth a look what they actually use.

MUmla

(btw, we could also talk in german, thorsten :D)

thorsten müller

Ok, but if we talk in English others could join in.

MUmla

I know ;)
So, let me start:

so, it's true, I'm developing a tool for monitoring and analyzing logs (you have great nose ;)). First it's for my company (=> in some way very specific, but in another way modular and felxible, too), but I have the target that it's working for others, too.
It should be also mentioned, that I'm analyzing more than thousands of log-files, because we have kind like a IoT-Fleet out there. so we want to analyze e.g. the connections-status of all devices (not live!) in country XY or the distribution of the software-versions. all these informations are written in the logfiles of our devices, whi…

graphical interaction with the IBM tool? I couldn't find out directly, how this tool works and looks like, the website is not that good...or I'm looking at the wrong place.

thorsten müller

9:59 AM

ibm.com/analytics/watson-analytics/us-en it's relative new tool for statistical analysis and exploration. You can get a free account to play around. (Though not exactly what you are looking for, more general business intelligence and analytics dashboards).

MUmla

this is an overview of the whole system. I hope you can get a tiny idea of what I'm doing now?!

thorsten müller

Have you looked into Elasticsearch ELK stack? They have this Marvel thing which has some views. Also Kibana can visualize some info in interesting ways. (For some of those tools you could have a look at the html source and see what libraries they use)

MUmla

when inspecting grafana, I had a look at Elasticsearch, but the "ELK stack"? No, not yet. I'll give it a look.

Kibana? Noted :)

kibana is part of elasticsearch!? this is what I see first.

thorsten müller

ELK stack is Elasticsearch + Logstash + Kibana, so basically a tool chain very similar to what you are doing. There are some nice videos on the ES site that show how it works. Kibana is a kind of plugin/stand alone app. It run as a local web service and allows you to visualize various aspects of a ES index. Quite nice if you have lots of ES data and just want to have a fast overview or extract some sums over some sales data.

MUmla

when we already talk about it, another easy question:
I talk of 40 Millions of log-lines at the beginning, where I'll extract the data into the mongodb (to make daily analysis on the newest data). do you think an elasticsearch instance is a more than good advice with so much data?

ahh, okay! sounds quite interesing, great! I'll take a look.

logstash...sounds veeery great! why didn't i discovered this before ;(

thorsten müller

10:13 AM

I have a table with sales data over three years with about 100 million records and at least for basic aggregations ES doesn't give a fuck. (Just tried to sum up all sales quantities in monthly buckets for the last two years, took about 5 seconds)

MUmla

oh wow.
this sounds like a yes ;P

thorsten müller

And you can easily deploy as many nodes as you want. (I'm running on a rather small two machines cluster with two cores and 8 Gig memory each. And this is running our web search and a few other services at the same time.

MUmla

atm I only speak frome one node...
where do you store your data? also mongoDB?

thorsten müller

This data is stored in ES only. Other data (like the basic information about items) is still in MySQL (will change to Postgres maybe).

MUmla

ah, okay.
I needed the scheme-less design of mongoDB cause of the variability of the log-entrys and the corresponding information.

so, the elastic-stack seems to be what I search for! Great!
I'll give it a further look.
Thanks a lot :) :)

thorsten müller

10:19 AM

ES is schemaless to (or can be if you want to).

MUmla

*searched

cool!

Kit Z. Fox

12:37 PM

Happy Coffee Day.

Duga

2:11 PM

I've used the same player on Mac and Windows. I wrote it using JavaFX. Plus, where would this question belong then? Ask Different? Programmers? — arjabbar 57 secs ago

Alchimyst

2:43 PM

hello

Is there anyone?

Thomas Owens

Maybe.

Kit Z. Fox

3:24 PM

Who knew it would take so long to write a how-to guide for home brain surgery?

I'm at 1221 words and probably just past the halfway point.

Duga

SO is not a code writing service but a resource to help programmers and programming enthusiasts. There are plenty of other questions on this site that should help you get the parts to your issue. Then if you have a specific problem come back and edit you question and preferably some code that you have tried that we can help build on for you. Requesting code from scratch is off topic for this site. — Matt 14 secs ago

gnat

3:44 PM

If you're interested on working on a new open-source project that involves optimizing a computation graph, let me know. — Aleksandr Dubinsky 7 hours ago

^^^ new site name so heavily discussed at meta will likely be Programmers Job Board

user15026

@KitZ.Fox I have so many questions.

Kit Z. Fox

Naturally. I should have thought of that.

Want to read the work-in-progress?

user15026

Sure!

Kit Z. Fox

Here you go

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You can fill me in on anything I might have missed so far.

DeliriousSyntax

4:38 PM

Silence...

user15026

@KitZ.Fox Looks good so far. You're definitely taking a lot of different issues into account with this. :)

psr

@KitZ.Fox Thank you. This meets all of my home brain surgery how-to guide needs.

Kit Z. Fox

@AshleyNunn #ThinkLikeAPro.

@psr Don't start yet! I haven't finished the procedure and I haven't begun the protocols yet.

Although you can get your materials together.

Mise en place applies to surgery as well as cuisine.

user15026

@KitZ.Fox wise advice, this.

Kit Z. Fox

I also made an ASMR video last night.

I'd love to do one demonstrating these techniques, but that's a bit beyond my ability to engineer.

I've thought about some dissection ones as well, but I think most people would find it off-putting. I'll have to think of some way to make it funny as opposed to gross.

Like dissecting Jello or something.

I wonder if you could make Jello with milk or juice to reduce its translucence...

user15026

4:52 PM

@KitZ.Fox Oh yeah, that's totally a thing people do

user15026

@KitZ.Fox I love those.

Kit Z. Fox

Then I just need a decent dissection kit. ... or I could make the post-apocalyptic armamentum. Hmm.

Let me know when you've got it.

Duga

5:50 PM

@snakecharmerb It's not on-topic for Code Review and I will not comment on whether it is for programmers. Keep in mind that suggestions like those are only useful if you're familiar with the scope of said sites. The gist of it can be found here and here. — Mast 47 secs ago

Hosch250

6:06 PM

@KitZ.Fox Holy smokes.

Kit Z. Fox

What? looks around in alarm

Hosch250

Is that a copy of an old medical book or an April Fools joke... or neither.

neither.

What is it for?

Uh. For fun?

6:07 PM

OK.

I can definitely say I won't try the advice in it :P

Kit Z. Fox

Well, it's there if you need it.

It's not done yet though.

Hosch250

Let's hope you don't get sued for medical malpractice.

Or practicing without a license, actually.

Kit Z. Fox

I don't have a license to practice medicine, so that will not be a problem.

I'm not doing it, so I'm not practicing.

Hosch250

If someone tries it, you could be sued.

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah. I'm not worried.

Hosch250

6:09 PM

LOL, I wouldn't be either, except I know there are people that stupid around. And they aren't in too short of supply, either.

psr

@KitZ.Fox Those fools said my methods were unsound!

Kit Z. Fox

Still not worried.

user15026

@KitZ.Fox I see the link but I can't peek at it til after work. But I will, and let you know how it goes. :)

Kit Z. Fox

@AshleyNunn wink

I hope you like it.

Hosch250

It made me laugh.

user15026

6:11 PM

@KitZ.Fox I am very responsive to these things, so it should work out pretty awesome for me.

Kit Z. Fox

Well, it's not great equipment. Pretty amateur. But it's a starting point.

Hosch250

Did you see CR's mini drama? Some user wanted to change their question to another question.

user15026

I just think it's awesome that you did it.

Hosch250

That's partially why I'm here today learning how to conduct home brain surgery.

Kit Z. Fox

I try not to put my face out in public, so I feel just a little weird about it.

Gotta bounce. Ciao.

Ronak Agrawal

6:26 PM

hi

i am looking for some OOP inputs when designing a cricket game,(not the actualy game, just identify classes, and identify the system as a whole)

can anybody help?

Ronak Agrawal

6:39 PM

@all or the online folks, is this the right forum to ask for some design inputs?

Aaron Hall

in /dev/chat, 1 min ago, by Aaron Hall

I'm looking for market share information for enterprise Linux server distributions. Specifically RHEL's.

Thomas Owens

@RonakAgrawal Have you done noun-verb analysis? It's usually a good start. Some people don't like it, though.

Ronak Agrawal

yeah, i started with it, but the thing is , i ended up putting too many things in one class

this voilates SRP, and I am not sure, how do i assign only task to single class,

Hosch250

We are organizing a site for reviewing software design on CR. Anyone interested?

Thomas Owens

@Hosch250 You mean you're organizing Programmers? Nice.

Aaron Hall

6:42 PM

@Hosch250 ? Maybe?

Thomas Owens

@RonakAgrawal How so? Your nouns are your classes. Each thing (noun, class) only does certain activities.

Hosch250

@ThomasOwens Yup. More seriously, we are basically focusing on API reviews, it sounds like.

Thomas Owens

@Hosch250 I'm saying that's on-topic on Programmers.

Aaron Hall

Is that out of scope for CR?

Ronak Agrawal

like, i have a GameManager Class, it
--GetsMatchLocation
--GetsTeam
--PerformsToss
--HasScoreboardUpdate

Hosch250

6:43 PM

It is? Oh.

Thomas Owens

@RonakAgrawal That's not doing noun-verb analysis. You need to use your domain. Is a "GameManager" something in cricket? I know nothing about it, but I'm guessing no.

Hosch250

We thought Programmers didn't like these questions.

Thomas Owens

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Aaron Hall

No topic gerrymandering, but there would have to be demand for it. I think it's kinda overlap.

I would think it would be ontopic on both Programmers and CR.

Hosch250

This site is going to be more asker-specific, like CR questions.

Ronak Agrawal

6:45 PM

@ThomasOwens : we can do the same for soccer,

Hosch250

No, CR doesn't accept design reviews.

We will comment on the design, but only if the full code is included and working.

Ronak Agrawal

so basically, i need a class that would perform
'organizing a match'
'identifying teams to play'
'Keep a track of current score'

Thomas Owens

@RonakAgrawal Here's a hint. "Game" has a "Score".

Organizing a match is one thing, but keeping track of score is a function of the game.

In soccer, a Game has two Teams and a Score.

Ronak Agrawal

okay, who would be updating the score?

will it be the Game Class?

Thomas Owens

Maybe. There are many options. But anytime you have a "Manager", I look for reasons why. For example, you may have a "League" with multiple teams and rules for how teams play each other - the League has a Schedule. It all depends on your granularity.

I've got to run off to a meeting, but it does help if you think in terms of domain-specific terms, rather than controllers, managers, and classes.

Ronak Agrawal

6:52 PM

okay, thanks for inputs

Thomas Owens

In a game, you have people and things that you need. People perform actions on things, and so on.

Ronak Agrawal

great...people perform on things

thanks

that simplifies a log

*lot

feeling dumb how could i not see it before

Thomas Owens

It may break down depending on your system. But it's a starting point at least.

Ronak Agrawal

yeah..

i will try and come up with an approach and if stuck, knock the door here..

Duga

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic. Probably better on Programmers site. — Jasen 46 secs ago

Aaron Hall

7:08 PM

@Hosch250 Python is executable pseudocode.

Ampt

LOL

Python programmers are usually nuts, but that takes the cake right there

Hosch250

The outline won't be fully working, though. It might run without errors, but it doesn't solve the problem.

Aaron Hall

But seriously though, maybe you guys should relax your constraint on it being working code.

Like I thought about posting a Q&A with some sample code provided with an SDK that I'm pretty sure anyone can download, but without the SDK, the sample code won't work. Would I have to make up mock objects just to be able to post a review of the code?

Hosch250

If your code solves the problem you want it to solve, it is fine.

It can rely on code not included in the question.

It just has to solve whatever problem it was written to solve.

Aaron Hall

Well it certainly does that.

poorly

Ixrec

7:32 PM

if the code isn't working, then it's not code review, it's debugging

Robert Harvey

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Close votes, please.

Ixrec

why is it that everyone make the "you don't help beginners" accusation when we tell them debugging questions are off-topic

perhaps their definition of "beginner" is "someone who hasn't learned what a debugger is yet"

Duga

This is mainly aimed at dragon not to have a drama forum on stackoverflow one of my favorite sites. The way you addressed my statement with Ddos ing my url you should read this section of stack overflow on how to address something you dont agree with on stackoverflow.meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7943/… . Yes i admit if the community doesn't want script kiddies on this site trying to use these forums for "hacking how to's " which i don't condone illegal internet activities ("you can't code in JAIL") — nate35795 17 secs ago

Ixrec

that's a weird one

Ronak Agrawal

7:48 PM

hi

user15026

@Ixrec Yeah, it is.

user15026

Also I like that they linked a meta.progse post to SO

user15026

I mean it's decent advice, regardless, but it amuses me nonetheless

Ronak Agrawal

i asked sometime ago inputs on approach on designing a Cricket game, and Mr.Thomas helped with inputs, that we have people,thing in domain, and people do things..
That helped me create a design, but what i see now is one of the person(people) is interacting with many other folks ..is that a code smell? a class interacting with more than 3 classes

TL;DR: is it a code smell if you see a class interacting with multiple classes?

gnat

Can I post this exact post to stack overflow? Will people help me over there? I just need someone to look at the code for 2 minutes and tell me what to change — Monty 8 mins ago

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^^^

Ixrec

7:54 PM

@RonakAgrawal depends on what you mean by "interacting", although three doesn't sound like a particularly huge number

Ronak Agrawal

well i only have around 10 classes in the system. so basically, 30% of the system

and by 'interacting', it asks for data, say 'Game' would Query 'GameStatus' for currentStatus which in turn would get 'currentBatsman','currentBowler','TeamScore','IndividualScore' from ScoreBoard

to give a background, I created 'Game' class with 'Start','Stop','Pause','GetCurrentStatus' methods

okay, i think i got it, getCurrentStatus does not belong to 'Game'; it belongs to 'ScoreBoard'

but the question is still open

would you mark something as fishy if you see a class interacting,querying with multiple classes?

@Ixrec does the above sound like a code smell?

Ixrec

none of that jumps out at me as obviously wrong, but I'm not sure that's enough information for me to really judge if anything's wrong

Ronak Agrawal

8:10 PM

oh..okay. I think i can try giving a class diagram:
'--' = deals with ; '-->' = an abstract class implementation
Team -- Players
Players -->Batsman,-->Bowler-->WicketKeeper
Game -- GameStatus, --ScoreBoard,--TeamIdentifier,--Toss
TeamIdentifier--Team
Toss --Team

@Ixrec sorry if that is does not make sense, please let me know if that is readable

my concern is over 'Game' class, it deals with 4 classes now

Aaron Hall

@Ixrec not necessarily - one might propose an unimplemented API for criticism and have functional and/or OO programmers make their criticisms on both style and usage and probably get a consensus on the best approach.

Ixrec

@AaronHall well in that case there's no code to be either working or not working, so not really what I was referring to

@RonakAgrawal I think it's more that I can criticize code or pseudocode but not a bunch of names when I have no idea what kind of code any of them actually refer to; I still have no idea what any of the classes you've mentioned actually do which makes any statement about them kinda meaningless

Ronak Agrawal

oh..okay..i think i will implement the code and file get it on CR

thanks.

or is it okay, if I put psuedocode here? CR accepts only running code...

enderland

@Ixrec you can still learn a lot about an API and how it works and be able to talk through design

Ixrec

this is chat, you won't get nuked unless you violate "be nice"

enderland

8:20 PM

the implementation doesn't "matter" for an API, per se (depending on how public an API I guess :)

Ixrec

@enderland I didn't say you couldn't, I said that isn't what I said

enderland

reading is too hard

Ixrec

actually I just have no idea what you or Aaron were on about

Ronak Agrawal

cool. thanks

Aaron Hall

Well I'm kinda feeling inspired to post on Code Review more now.

gnat

8:24 PM

in Discussion on question by bluefeet: 1, 2, 3...test. Let’s increase the number of reviews & close votes for science! on Stack Overflow Chat, yesterday, by gnat

@DalijaPrasnikar prior to SE introducing stronger means of handling low quality questions at Stack Overflow this was not much of a problem at smaller sites - there were just not many askers and site communities could handle these "on front page" so to speak. Now that scared cockroaches started running away from SO trying to push their garbage anywhere else (that is, at other SE sites), amount of troublesome questions over there increased too much for local communities to handle. And SE management does exactly nothing about that

^^^ @RobertHarvey why do you think "our guy" doesn't post their debugging stuff at Stack Overflow? Neither from their current account ("member for 6 months", 0 questions) nor from account they used to dump their previous question here and at CodeReview.SE. That previous account, it doesn't even have linked SO account. As if they bumped into ban, deleted it, recreated, bumped into anti-recidivism block and deleted it again, possibly forever

as if SO has got themselves a mighty repellent against this sort of guys

Aaron Hall

Well to my myself in SO's shoes, I'd much rather my main site have better content than a satellite site.

Remember, the product is you.

gnat

in Discussion on question by bluefeet: 1, 2, 3...test. Let’s increase the number of reviews & close votes for science! on Stack Overflow Chat, yesterday, by bluefeet

@gnat Again you're asking us to speculate on whether this test is impacting Programmers. From what we've seen (in the examples you provided) none of those users were post banned on SO when they posted on Programmers. The test is running for another week, at that time, I'll look at the impact of this on SO.

^^^ "I'll look at the impact of this on SO" they sure hear you

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^^^ ...and they sure ignore Rachel

business as usual

Aaron Hall

8:41 PM

Would more voters camping out on the front page help?

gnat

@AaronHall they would help in getting more meta whining about hostility I'm afraid...

"downvotes are taken so damn personal..." — gnat 11 hours ago

Aaron Hall

I tried throwing a few flags.

gnat

@AaronHall at Stack Overflow, low quality stuff would be automagically wiped away from view and buried in triage without any flags. Oh well

Aaron Hall

I'm thinking of leaving this as a comment, can I get some thoughts before I lay it down?

> The first half of the first paragraph is half short explanation, half wishful thinking. The second paragraph oversimplifies and misses actual reasons to avoid them. The third paragraph is more wishful thinking. Kinda sad that 1/4th of your reputation comes from this content that you didn't even author.

gnat

yeah comments might help. Not always mind you but still. Just be prepared to be blamed for being hostile if you do them. To give less chances for whining, you better start comments with "Hello, nice to see your attempt at contributing here" and end with something like "Hope this helps. Good luck!" But then, HNQ lemmings with their short attention span may only notice nice-to-see part and perceive this as an invitation to upvote. Oh well — gnat Mar 27 at 8:38

Aaron Hall

8:56 PM

Well it is on an answer.

And it's kindof a gambit for me, as I have an up-and-coming canonical answer that thoroughly addresses it.

Mat's Mug

hi guys! would this be a good fit here?

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Q: Wanting a better MVC to Javascript pattern to get Resource Files from C# mvc into Javascript

Currently Resource Files in asp.net mvc c# are the typical file.resx MVC controller method: public ActionResult GetResources() { return GetResources(Lookup.ResourceManager); } Javascript IFFE dM.getResources() // dM = reportGroupDataManager.js Which then a javascript "data mana...

c# javascript asp.net-mvc

it's probably going to end up closed as "too broad" on CR

Aaron Hall

To me, it looks like he's asking for straight-up code review.

the point of code review is to improve the code if feasible.

Mat's Mug

he's asking for a new design, the code is just illustrative.

Aaron Hall

answers like "looks great" kinda don't go over well.

Mat's Mug

I downvoted your question, because it looks like you MCVE'd your post, and are looking for a better high-level approach, not a peer review addressing any & all aspects of your code, as stated in our help center - that makes it a "gray-area" question. I'll retract my vote (and quite possibly actually reverse it) if you edit your actual code into the post; only with sufficient context we can help with refactoring. — Mat's Mug ♦ just now

Aaron Hall

9:04 PM

Now I'm thinking about leaving this comment on the Question addressed to the questioner:

> Jeb, why did you accept that quote? The first paragraph is half short explanation, half wishful thinking. The second paragraph oversimplifies and misses actual reasons to avoid __slots__. The third paragraph is more wishful thinking. This is mostly off-the-mark content that the answerer didn't even author.

Reminds me of this:

whatsisname

i need to clean up my office

it's rather messy

Aaron Hall

Again, changed my mind, I'm just appending it onto my answer as a critique of the accepted answer.

Thoughts?

> Critique of the accepted answer

The first paragraph is half short explanation, half wishful thinking. The second paragraph oversimplifies and misses actual reasons to avoid __slots__. The third paragraph is more wishful thinking. This is mostly off-the-mark content that the answerer didn't even author and contributes to ammunition for critics of the site.

Apologies if I seem self-centered at the moment...

I got impatient and posted it.

gnat

9:23 PM

@AaronHall since you added to the answer, you can edit it. For critique to look compelling, consider investing more effort into showing that you studied criticized post well enough. For example, if you want to convince readers that some statement is wishful thinking, it would help to quote or summarise it and explain what specifically makes it wishful thinking. Etc

Aaron Hall

9:45 PM

That's good feedback.

DeliriousSyntax

Silence...

Aaron Hall

is golden

Duga

Looks like a fit for Programmers as a software design question. — ivan_pozdeev 31 secs ago

DeliriousSyntax

10:00 PM

Anyone know how I set up one of the donation pages like LightnessBean has?

user15026

No clue.

DeliriousSyntax

clude?

Clue*?

@AshleyNunn I'm just wondering what brought you to the whiteboard? I looked at your profile and didn't see anything related to programmers

Duga

I don't know about the rules, maybe programmers.stackexchange.com is a better place to ask such question, but I think usually nobody here performs a code review to find the problem of complete project. Read about mcve. — Reza Aghaei 24 secs ago

user15026

10:17 PM

@DeliriousSyntax Nope, I'm not a dev.

DeliriousSyntax

So how did you find out about it? Is it just a mod thing?

user15026

Nope, I already knew people in here from elsewhere so I just kinda wandered in