Game Development

Jon

19:10

I personally think it is fine

However, I can see how it could annoy some people when doing the same thing twice results in two different outcomes

I may tinker with the physics to tightened that up more. Thanks.

PearsonArtPhoto

19:25

So, I think one way that you could experiment with extending the gameplay for relatively little cost is to make it a challenge to get different numbers of clicks.

Completing at par wouldn't be the only goal.

DH.

To me that fits in a new gameplay mode, which would need more levels

PearsonArtPhoto

Similar to Pudding Monster.

DH.

Some could be reused but...

PearsonArtPhoto

I would set up an analytic that lets you know for each level what the score is at completion.

Make it a challenge then to get every possible score for every level.

Jon

that isn't very different from par

unless i'm not understanding

PearsonArtPhoto

19:28

Par is a goal to get under.

What I'm proposing is try to win once with 2 moves, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc.

Jon

still the same goal, it doesn't really add gameplay

oh

Ohhhh

Pip

I really like that

Would need lots of playtesting/analytics

Jon

like achievements

PearsonArtPhoto

Kind of.

Pip

Do you keep track of how many moves people do on each level?

PearsonArtPhoto

19:30

Play a few rounds of Pudding Monster.

Jon

i could add one thing for each level that you need to do.

like, beat it without touching a blue block..

beat it in so many clicks

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, that kind of stuff.

Jon

i need to adjust the size of the blocks... in some of the levels as it is kinda hard on mobile

when I revise the levels, I kinda want to add something

like, a hidden star in each level maybe, i still don't know yet

DH.

maybe make a moving block touch a certain area

PearsonArtPhoto

However you do it, try to get more out of each level.

DH.

19:32

could be color related or white, meaning any color touching the area fits

Jon

hmm... You can get more than one of the same topper/antenna in rocket league now... can I give one to a friend???

I think I am going to add moving platforms

like a conveyor but removable

PearsonArtPhoto

BTW, it's really annoying that it doesn't return to the same level page that I left... If I was in 51, and go back to the main menu, I should be on a page with level 51 in it...

DH.

as of right now I didn't bother about it, but after the 100 mark and in mobile it will be a pain

PearsonArtPhoto

Pip

That's awesome

PearsonArtPhoto

19:37

The par on this level is 4. I know how to get it in 3, but I have no idea how to do it in 4.

It would make it more interesting to be rewarded for figuring out how to do that.

Pip

Ooh true. Agreed.

user4704

Just click one other random block? :P

DH.

^Win

PearsonArtPhoto

Yes, I guess it is that easy.

But with this one level, you could play it for a score of 3, 4, 5, and 6.

Maybe even more, depending on how adventurous you feel.

Jon

heh, interesting

that is not how it was designed to be done

But I never thought of doing it that way... i need to revise that puzzle, haha

DH.

19:43

I completed yesterday 2 levels under par, cant remember which ones

Jon

it is a good sign that you are still playing it

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL, Just bored at work, so I had a few minutes...

Jon

The man with 1,000 Klein Bottles UNDER his house - Numberphile

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This guy is awesome

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm sure that isn't what you intended for that level either.

Jon

hahaha

that one was fixed :)

PearsonArtPhoto

19:48

Ahh, K.

Jon

nope it wasn't fixed actually, thanks

PearsonArtPhoto

If you aren't using analytics to see how many steps a level is beat in, you really should.

Jon

I'm not so it doesn't request permissions on users phones

PearsonArtPhoto

You also should consider storing the order blocks were clicked away in analytics, maybe even the time after starting, to give some kind of a feel.

Pip

38 secs ago, by PearsonArtPhoto

If you aren't using analytics to see how many steps a level is beat in, you really should.

PearsonArtPhoto

19:49

Well, you could do it for testing at least.

Pip

@Jon set up a web server for it!

Jon

I am considering setting up a server to submit levels

PearsonArtPhoto

Use Unity Analytics.

It's easy enough.

Jon

I don't want to

Unless I need network access

PearsonArtPhoto

Honestly, no one cares about the internet permission...

Integrate it with Google Play Services for achievements.

Jon

19:50

Actually some do..

ideally, i'd have user submitted levels that can be rated

PearsonArtPhoto

I've never met any, but... Well, I guess I haven't asked around that much.

DH.

commonly most games have it, since it's required for ads

PearsonArtPhoto

How far down the list of most popular games do I have to go to find one without requiring network permission...

DH.

most popular games? well, probably over a thousand

PearsonArtPhoto

Since for ads or IAP, you have to have network access...

Google Play doesn't even list that as a blatant requirement anymore.

Jon

19:54

I have an artist that I am considering pulling in for UI/Menus/Promo video

but fuck I don't want to add people to this...

PearsonArtPhoto

So long as a game doesn't require, say, the microphone or GPS, I'm usually pretty willing to give them a bit...

Jon

I've gotten to this point alone.

PearsonArtPhoto

Honestly, the UI looks fine.

DH.

I think you can stay cool for UI

but maybe a video would be cool

Jon

and Logo.. Icons

DH.

19:55

make things more atractive to tablet users at home

PearsonArtPhoto

The guys rolling needs a bit more animation, but...

Jon

Yeah, thank you

DH.

for logo just a small green block really

Jon

i need to do that too

GORB

PearsonArtPhoto

BORG.

But you can't use that, now, could you;-)

You could be GORI (Indigo), or something else.

Almo

19:56

gorb

i like

PearsonArtPhoto

It'll do I suppose.

Jon

PearsonArtPhoto

They should have faces.

Jon

yeah

PearsonArtPhoto

Your icon could be a 2x2 block of the 4 letters.

Jon

19:58

this is just something I threw together the other night when I was drunk

PearsonArtPhoto

Another thing. You should really be able to click on the little dots below the level, and jump to that page.

DH.

@Jon Alcohol doing miracles

Jon

not really... its just a font and its crooked in a bad way

PearsonArtPhoto

It would be cool to make that into an animated logo of some kind, to show in game somewhere.

(I like to spit out a dozen ideas, and see what sticks. I'm not offended if something doesn't stick)

Jon

I was thinking of making the title screen interactive actually

PearsonArtPhoto

20:04

That could work.

Jon

the menu buttons would be blocks that fall down

and when you press on, the block dissapears, and loads the menu item

so you get a intro to the game mechanics right in the menu

Almo

@Jon don't tell anyone that it's an acronym

I mean, we know, but the public at large may not figure it out

Jon

I haven't told you guys, but its going to be an oculus exclusive

Facebook is paying me 400$

Almo

AWESOME

i had a guy tell me cognizer should be in VR

I'm like... not really.

Jon

LOL

DH.

20:10

now I know why you didn't want the artist together :P

Jon

Minecraft is going to be Oculus exclusive.

I hate this VR fragmentation

pisses me off -- you have to pick a side.

Or buy both, which is ridiculous.

And the only reason, is because they want the market share.

(oculus, not vive)

Almo

yeah that's pretty annoying

Jon

History will repeat itself

you can't do shit like that and compete with a open api

Almo

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do are doomed to teach it to people who don't care.

Jon

sure you have minecraft... GUARANTEED someone is going to hack it to work with Vive

fuck your exclusives they will say -- while buying Vive

I found it funny that Sony came out saying Sony VR is not going to be as high quality as oculus.. lol

NO SHIT.

you need a 980TI + to run it

and even the 980 is just high fidelity.. it isn't fully compatible

you need the titan for full compatibility, lol

You are literally rendering 2X the game

DH.

20:17

VR for gaming here on Brazil is already killed by itself, the cost is so high that only a few places to pay to play, like "arcades" or "lan houses", have these

PearsonArtPhoto

I wouldn't say it's killed itself, VR has been around a long time, and it's only now just starting to gain some acceptance.

MickLH

Are you saying, that VR is still an unborn fetus?

DH.

I only know 2 companies in my state that are investing in VR, and they are not entertainment related

PearsonArtPhoto

Yes.

I know a guy who works for Microsoft, and has a background in both programming and 3d animation. He's working on some Microsoft project that I think might be VR.

Icy Defiance

a lot of people were pissed when oculus announced their preorder price at $600, after apparently promising it would be around $300 or $350

PearsonArtPhoto

20:22

But that's the only person that I know who is doing anything with it.

I bought Google Cardboard, but that's as far as I've gone...

Icy Defiance

microsoft has hololens and they've already demonstrated minecraft working with that. it's AR though, so it might not be what that guy is working with.

PearsonArtPhoto

Actually, that sounds right.

DH.

Microsoft already said that they won't run this VR race

Jon

Ranked up in gold league baby!!!

WHOS' THE BEST ROCKET LEAGUE PLAYER IN GDSE!!! THATS RIGHT ITS ME

lol

PearsonArtPhoto

I think VR will become what 3D TV is now in a few years.

Jon

20:24

I am currently taking on challengers

LOL no

VR is going to be huge

it is going to be the new way to watch media

PearsonArtPhoto

That's exactly what 3D TV guys said.

Jon

kids will move away from phoens, and into their headsets.

You are greatly mistaken here I think... however, time will tell.

DH.

VR seens a really good revolution

Jon

When you get hoem, you are gonna put on your helmet, and ingest shit.. you will see

DH.

but so far the biggest problem is the cost

PearsonArtPhoto

20:26

I don't doubt in, say, 10 years it will be fairly common. But who knows.

Jon

I'm not talking a year from now.

Icy Defiance

3D TV doesn't really work though. the effect is there, but it's horrible.

Jon

But it will happen.

This isn't about fake 3d tv bullshit

this is about immersing yourself in a different world

there is no form of entertainment like it

it is opening up a new market entirely really

DH.

I think it will be better used st first in big companies

PearsonArtPhoto

There's a lot of hype now, then it will drop somewhat, then I think it'll pick up again, perhaps this time to take over.

DH.

20:27

to be used as training and other things

Jon

10 years from now.. it will be everywhere.

my prediction

although I predicted in 2003 that OLED displays would be everywhere

PearsonArtPhoto

Actually, what you said goes for Brazil might make it more commonplace there, as most people can access it at least (For a small price, for a small period of time)

Jon

in 10 years.. and they are definitely not

PearsonArtPhoto

Transformation technology is difficult to go to the masses.

Icy Defiance

@DH. VR has been used for training for a long time, though maybe not with headsets. they build full machines with screens for that. not sure if a headset would help there, or just add more wires.

PearsonArtPhoto

20:29

The internet really started in what, the 90s, picked up early adopters, then had a book and a huge crash.

Jon

the main issue with VR, is the heavy head set and wires and power required.

this is the first generation

PearsonArtPhoto

It took a decade for it to find it's place.

I suspect VR will be the same way.

Jon

do you remember the first generation PCs?

this is first generation VR

DH.

I think VR will at a moment lead to holograms

Jon

in 10 years, that headset is going to be lighter, cheaper, faster, better

DH.

20:30

without headsets

Jon

hololens looks interesting too.

PearsonArtPhoto

This is the first generation of personal color VR.

Jon

totally different market.

Icy Defiance

nah holograms require completely different tech from VR

PearsonArtPhoto

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Jon

20:30

completely different market .. not the same thing at all

That is not true VR

that is 3D glasses

PearsonArtPhoto

I guess I just haven't seen the light then yet.

Jon

totally different idea .. and shitty execution too

I played that damn thing when I was a kid, and it was shit

DH.

and well, the hardware was old

PearsonArtPhoto

As did I. It was a bit ahead of it's time...

DH.

not much you could do back then

PearsonArtPhoto

20:32

There's been VR systems for, say, amusement rides for a while now.

Jon

oh, we had a VR game at a amusement park here

it was so laggy, but again, it was done in the 90s... was pretty impressive for the time

PearsonArtPhoto

There's also the 3DS.

Jon

you are not grasping what VR is I think

3ds is not VR

its a vomit inducing eyestraining device

PearsonArtPhoto

I think you must be right.

How do you rate Google Cardboard on the list of true VR?

Jon

that is the lowest of the VR experience

DH.

20:34

it's a simulation of VR, IMO

Jon

agreed

that is exactly what it is

PearsonArtPhoto

Hmmm. Well, at least I suppose I can try that and see if I get a better sense for what it is.

Jon

get a happy meal

they have the VR goggles on the box now apparently

DH.

even 360º videos are more interesting to me

Jon

i prefer boobs

MickLH

20:45

Boobs, you say?

DH.

it was already made an erotic movie for Oculus IIRC

(let's mix tech with boobs)

Jon

boobs in VR you say??? wow, i never thought of that.

That alone could sell thousands of units

if not millions

OMGtechy

i hear the porn industry is very keen

Jon

the adult industry has already done a ton of VR stuff

they are always the first to adopt new tech

they were the first to stream HD videos online

first to 4k

first to VR

DH.

yeah, even if it's weird they try it

Jon

20:55

Money talks

DH.

PornHub alone makes the weirdest shit ever

mechanic twerking butts

trying to send both actor and actress(and a camera man) to space to make a movie from a ship

OMGtechy

That puts amusing images in my head for some reason

mechanical twerking butts in space

Jon

lol...

they are unfortunately ahead of the pack in tech

pretty sad that the porn industry leads the way in online video technology

Almo

@DH. for some reason, that comment reminded me of this

Herbie Hancock - Rockit

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Jon

... why?

you are a sick person

Almo

21:01

the mechanical walking legs

Jon

lol j/k

Almo

:D

Jon

Johnny 5 - I Need A Hero

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Almo

I didn't like that move at the time. I'm sure it hasn't aged well, either.

Jon

lmfao

that clip... oh man

Almo

21:04

the proof he was "alive" was a funny joke, but a useless proof.

only good thing in that movie was the guy getting the idioms wrong

Jon

I liked the first one as a kid

the second one, I was like.. wtf

see above clip

The first one was more about a robot in the 80s gaining sentience

i put 80s first there

user4704

@Almo Banned.

user4704

I have that song.

Almo

>:(

Chappie wasn't good, either. just short circuit with great effects and shooting

user4704

I didn't see Chappie, that did look like Short Circuit with Next Gen Grey.

Jon

21:24

Flight of the Navigator

user4704

Mmm.

user4704

I remember hearing rumors there was a sequel to that for years.

Jon

that would be cool

was one of my favorite movies as a kid

The Last Starfighter was also another good one :)

Aliens put these arcade machines on earth -- and the highest scoring kid was recruited by the aliens to fight an intergalactic war

user4704

yeah

Jon

And his spaceship was literally the arcade controls

He dominated these aliens

LOL

user4704

21:32

I didn't see that until I was an adult though.

user4704

About four years ago I think.

Jon

Oh really? I haven't seen it in ages

I imagine it is better in my head than it is in real life

user4704

Yeah my roommate found a copy when he was going through some old junk he'd been carting around between our houses since college.

Jon

haha cool

You must have seen DARYL too then

A seemingly normal young boy turns out to be a top secret military-created robot with superhuman abilities.

But he's our son!!! lol

such a stupid movie -- I rewatched that one and it was pretty bad rewatching it

I just remember that scene in the movie, where he comes into these older kids house and plays the NES and ends up getting the highest score possible

and his older brother is like.. HOW DID YOU DO THAT?

D.A.R.Y.L. Movie First video game

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i remember it wrong

memories are stupid

user4704

The Wizard, also.

user4704

21:37

I have a huge movie poster from that that my wife won't let me hang anywhere >:|

Jon

that was a Nintendo commercial.

user4704

yes it was

Jon

And it was great

It was the first glimpse of super mario 3

And they showed the location of one of the flutes

Before the game came out!

Kids were shitting over mario back then

MickLH

Shitting. Best believe that.

Jon

there was shit everywhere.. i remember going to the mall and wanting to leave

MickLH

21:39

You got that mario? Kaboom!

Jon

it was around christmas time.. so i forced myself to shop

got my parents a coffee machine

damn thing didn't work the way they wanted though, so they never used it

I eventually brought it with me in an apartment i moved into

shit coffee

MickLH

lol

There has to be a good "dark side" joke about that but it's not coming to me

Jon

my first landlord, she was recently divorced

she would randomly come over my apt...

I swear man.. I think she wanted me to bang her

she woudl just come over for no reason

act super weird

i was like 20 at the time

she was like 50

user4704

this is why you put a clause in your lease that says the landlord has to give you 24 hours notices before showing up

Jon

Yeah, i didn't really know my rights

she would barge in, and adjust stuff

cut my blinds shorter so they would fit for example

I was like... err thanks

then linger..

i paid.. wut u want

Almo

21:46

i never saw daryl

I always liked older women

my gf when I was 21 was 30

though she looked 21

she got carded on my 21st birthday. i had a beard, so i looked 21 already I guess

Jon

22:06

lol

is that your wife?

Almo

no, my 2nd gf.

Jon

my gf is 9 years younger than me

Almo

I have a highschool gf, a college gf, and my wife.

Jon

such a sweetheart

Almo

though that's sort of misleading as i met my wife in college

highschool gf turned out to be... let's just say odd.

Jon

22:12

they always are

you were odd to them too, i guarantee

Almo

I'm sure

though I mean that later she left her husband of 18 years and moved in with a friend's brother, then a few motnhs later vanished

my friend wrote to me on facebook saying "do you happen to know where she is?"

cut all email, facebook, steam, twitter etc lines of communication

Jon

heh... i gotta go, going out tonight.. bbl

Almo

bye man

Aidan Mueller

22:27

My CPU is 103 C

MickLH

lol mine is ~25.242718446601% of that

Almo

wow man. my app is in review already

I've never seen an app go from "awaiting review" to "in review" in less than 4 days

MickLH

@Almo Clearly it's because they were so impressed with how extensively the audio was peer reviewed

Almo

hehehe :)

Jon

23:44

there is a radio station here called c103

would love to hear about your cpu problems

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