Root Access

allquixotic

16:01

@bwDraco it has nice alliteration, but I'd be open to consider other alternatives for a bit before changing it

DavidPostill

@bwDraco Room owners can certainly change it. The issue is getting a consensus on what it should be changed to. Perhaps a meta question is in order to ask for suggestions ;)

bwDraco

1 hour ago, by allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy try "Cats, Headphones and Tea" (cue mod-edit by JMG to s/Cats/Dogs/)

These are both valid options.

DavidPostill

There are 7 room owners ...

I have this nightmare of the room owners having a rollback war ;)

bwDraco

lol

DavidPostill

allquixotic

16:05

KronoS is a rare sight these days; haven't seen Ivo Flipse in years; and I don't think I ever met Marc Gravell but he's apparently Super User #1 (user ID of 1)

err, chat.SE user #1

jokerdino

Marc looks like a developer.

allquixotic

yeah he's SE employee #6

bwDraco

Marc is a CM.

DavidPostill

Ivo Flipse ♦
chat user since 2010-10-28
last message 132d ago
last seen 1h ago

jokerdino

I dont think he is CM. Never interacted with him in that capacity.

bwDraco

16:06

...and I'm not yet responsible enough to be a room owner.

Dec 5 '15 at 2:56, by bwDraco

Be advised that at this time, if I were granted room owner privileges, it is likely I will simply revoke them from myself.

My word still stands.

jokerdino

Sometimes, I get confused.

allquixotic

4/7 active room owners isn't bad

Anonymous

yea, that's enough for quorum, for example

allquixotic

Ancient Mage card sounds in 12 languages -Hearthstone✔

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you reminded me of that

jokerdino

lol, I didn't refer that.

bwDraco

16:10

These are days of big change for me. Among other things, I'm turning from a night owl to a lark.

allquixotic

@bwDraco no you're not; you're just a night owl pretending to be a lark and will soon realize that the light of day hurts your eyes ;p

bwDraco

I'm finally starting to truly grow up, but there are still big issues to address.

lol

11 hours ago, by bwDraco

rotfl

4:45 AM alarm, anyone?

allquixotic

4:45 AM PST? sure (I'm EST :P)

DavidPostill

@bwDraco My intuition says that the biggest issue you need to address is your "expectations" of yourself (and whether you are imposing them on yourself or whether they are imposed on you).

bwDraco

EST.

I'm in New York.

2 hours ago, by bwDraco

> CEOs don't hit snooze: most of them claim to leap out of bed in the morning (even though it's basically still night) and more than one said that "life is too exciting" for sleep.

2 hours ago, by bwDraco

I know I risk destroying my body at this point, but I'm going to keep trying until I can consistently get out of bed at that time, and to actually jump out of bed, not merely pull myself out of bed.

allquixotic

16:14

I know; the joke was I'd be fine with a 4:45 AM PST alarm since it wouldn't be late at all for me in EST

bwDraco

> I know I risk destroying my body at this point [...]

Wait, what?

I'm starting to come to my senses.

jokerdino

At this point, I think you need a passion.

bwDraco

11 hours ago, by bwDraco

I'd rather faint than not get out of bed on time.

Wow. Just wow. Can't believe I actually said this.

Burgi

have you had a sleep now

allquixotic

I Was Brought To My Senses - Grand Chœur du lycée Paul Louis Courier

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jokerdino

16:19

I don't know what to say or how to proceed.

bwDraco

@jokerdino Kick-mute me?

jokerdino

I won't do that.

JohnB

man, I wish there was a PoE version of Raspberry Pi. Then I'd have a nice excuse to get a bunch of them. And also a PoE switch

Anonymous

@JohnB and also gigabit

Anonymous

ping, @JourneymanGeek

DavidPostill

16:26

@PatoSáinz It is 12:24 AM in Singapore. JMG may well be asleep (or trying to) ....

bwDraco

2 hours ago, by bwDraco

I'm always looking for ways to get ahead. Way ahead. And at whatever cost there may be.

I've historically tried to hold myself to insane standards.

DavidPostill

16 mins ago, by DavidPostill

@bwDraco My intuition says that the biggest issue you need to address is your "expectations" of yourself (and whether you are imposing them on yourself or whether they are imposed on you).

bwDraco

Jan 20 '15 at 1:53, by DragonLord

@Bob, @JourneymanGeek: I'm curious if I can scale up to 30+ answers a week, 150+ answers a month without compromising answer quality or moderation work (think Jon Skeet)

allquixotic

@bwDraco Ahead of what? Who? And what's your actual ultimate goal?

bwDraco

It's a historical thing:

Oct 14 '15 at 6:53, by DragonLord

As I grew increasingly frustrated over my behavioral issues, I grew a fervent desire to overcome them. I kept trying and failing and trying and failing...

DavidPostill

16:32

Take my advice or not. That is up to you. You should also think about how regularly/often you are just repeating yourself. Doing so does not resolve anything. It is reinforcing what you believe about yourself.

We have offered lots of advice (which is all we can do), but we still see the same behaviour again and again.

49 mins ago, by DavidPostill

@bwDraco If really is "that bad" you need to consider asking for professional help. That is something we cannot provide here, much as we would like to. All we can do is offer advice.

bwDraco

Guess I'm just trying too hard.

DavidPostill

Please, please consider this seriously:

8 mins ago, by DavidPostill

16 mins ago, by DavidPostill

@bwDraco My intuition says that the biggest issue you need to address is your "expectations" of yourself (and whether you are imposing them on yourself or whether they are imposed on you).

jokerdino

I am not sure if it reaches him at all.

DavidPostill

Where are those expectations coming from. They seem to be causing you a lot of pain.

bwDraco

I just want to overcome my past.

allquixotic

16:39

Step #1: Accept who you are

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DavidPostill

I feel it is the root cause of everything ...

@allquixotic +1

allquixotic

allgroanup.com/featured/obsessive-comparison-disorder

@DavidPostill might be because I went through the same when I was younger, and that was only a few years ago so it's still fresh in my mind

similarly the people who helped me most were folks just a few years older than me

which, I think, at 30, puts me at about the right age for draco

bwDraco

Applying the requested changes now.

I'm actually in my early 20s but it's not too early.

DavidPostill

@allquixotic I've been through it too. In my 40s. It's one of the most difficult things to learn.

allquixotic

@bwDraco the git commit && git push --all might take a few months; be patient ;p

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bwDraco

16:42

lol

HackToHell

yum is pretty slow

jokerdino

use dnf

also slow for cacheing though.

Anonymous

@jokerdino +1

HackToHell

dnf?

Anonymous

dandified yum

DavidPostill

16:44

@bwDraco You can't "apply the changes" They have to happen organically, when you are ready to accept them. It will happen when it happens. If you try and force it when you are not ready your subconcious will just rebel.

HackToHell

What's that

Anonymous

the new yum

jokerdino

don't flush

HackToHell

Oh

allquixotic

@HackToHell Don't Nuke France

Anonymous

16:45

it does shit in parellel, it resolves deps faster using zypper's algorithm

HackToHell

First time using yum tbh

Anonymous

etc

HackToHell

Working with Oracle Linux :S

Lemme check it out

allquixotic

I love zypper

Anonymous

@HackToHell ew

HackToHell

16:45

And hopefully i don't nuke france

Anonymous

dnf is only available in EL

allquixotic

@HackToHell Snoracle Linux won't have dnf

Anonymous

and Fedora

bwDraco

This is one reason I use openSUSE as my main Linux distribution.

jokerdino

stop using oracle linux.

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bwDraco

16:45

Zypper is just so damn fast.

HackToHell

@allquixotic oh sucks

@jokerdino emulating possible client system using that

jokerdino

fire that client.

HackToHell

So will have to be prepared in case anyone uses it ;p

Okay yum install htop is a bad idea

wtf is it even downloading

Anonymous

> Donald Trump has said a lot of strange things — some funny, some creepy, but none scarier than what he said on Friday: that if he is elected president, he will "open up our libel laws" to make it easier to sue the media and "win lots of money." No matter what you may think about his other policy ideas, if he keeps this promise, we won't be able to effectively express dissent against anything else he might want to do. We can fight any bad policy if we have a robust First Amendment.

allquixotic

good luck yum installing something that needs the entire tex distribution

HackToHell

16:46

This is on a bloody fast data center link

Anonymous

dnf is awesome

allquixotic

I think Lennart Poettering should have implemented the yum replacement and called it jfdi and included it as part of systemd

HackToHell

Yeah I'll keep it mind the next time I use yum

So yeah it ran for all this while for

No package htop available.
Error: Nothing to do

allquixotic

jfdi = Just Fucking Do It (one of Lennart's sayings) - jfdi would immediately make the commands and libraries available that the package contains, allowing you to "speculatively" run it immediately with no waiting, and then simply have the console command block until the required resources are downloaded

HackToHell

#k

allquixotic

16:48

@HackToHell yum search htop

you may need the repoforge third party repo

bwDraco

Does yum give you a preview what it does before it proceeds?

I know zypper does.

Anonymous

yes

bwDraco

How many packages?

allquixotic

@bwDraco it's transactional and can optionally list everything it'll do in a dry run format

Anonymous

@allquixotic oh he's using Oracle Linux

Anonymous

16:49

if only he were using a sensible RPM distro

Anonymous

he'd have htop available

allquixotic

!! s/O/Sno/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic TypeError: undefined is not a function (evaluating 'Number.isFinite(value)')

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allquixotic

THAT DOES IT

I'm pulling in Zirak's patch right now

HackToHell

@allquixotic I'm just gonna not lauch yum again

scared

bwDraco

16:50

Zypper has never given me any trouble.

Anonymous

@HackToHell :<

bwDraco

It'll sometimes pull in more dependencies than I expected, but it's always well-behaved.

allquixotic

@HackToHell chicken

Anonymous

when you run yum install whatever it just fetches repolists, then shows you your package and its deps and then you reply:

Anonymous

Y/n

Anonymous

16:51

piece of cake

HackToHell

Mostly cause I need to figure out where the hell is 11c installed

It doesn't seem to be running

bwDraco

How long does it take to process the deps?

allquixotic

which 11c ?

HackToHell

So bleh at htop

allquixotic

or find / -name 11c ?

Anonymous

16:52

yum provides 11c

HackToHell

@allquixotic Standard edition

Anonymous

locate 11c

bwDraco

Zypper never takes more than a few seconds to resolve dependencies, even with extremely complex OS upgrades.

allquixotic

BAD. LOCATE BAD.

Anonymous

@allquixotic why: I love locate

HackToHell

16:52

Supposed to preinstalled, it's an azure creation

Anonymous

and I updatedb a lot

HackToHell

@PatoSáinz so it can tell me where it's at ?

@allquixotic gonna run that

Anonymous

@bwDraco yep, their algo is cool: that's why Red Hat copied it

bwDraco

The libzypp SAT solver is really, really fast.

Anonymous

@HackToHell hah well it tells you which package installs it and where the binary is

allquixotic

16:53

@bwDraco I'm impressed you know about that :D

bwDraco

Look, I've been using openSUSE since version 11.1.

HackToHell

@PatoSáinz so I have to deal with yum again sigh

Anonymous

well didn't opensuse just say FUCK IT and bumped to version 42

Anonymous

@HackToHell nah, just do the find @allquixotic suggested

bwDraco

I'm used to running zypper up or zypper dup.

HackToHell

16:54

That comes up empty

sigh

Anonymous

@allquixotic why is locate bad

bwDraco

@PatoSáinz They rebased the system on the SUSE Linux Enterprise sources, which were released several months back. This is why it's called "openSUSE Leap 42.1".

HackToHell

So everytime I run yum X it reads off some large file ?

And it's in python

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz I dunno, I just get tired of having to update the database all the time, and it's very beneficial to have the filesystem structure cached in RAM anyway, which happens when you run find / ... (ever notice that successive finds after that are ridiculously fast?)

Anonymous

@allquixotic hmm I see

Anonymous

16:56

@HackToHell dnf is faster

Anonymous

and yes they both are written in python

allquixotic

poothon :(

Anonymous

and no, iirc it doesn't fetch repolists all the time

Anonymous

and no, you should not Control-C out of yum

HackToHell

I'm gonna install that once this stupid shit stops

@PatoSáinz Ctrl +Z then kill ?

Dave

16:57

@bwDraco I prefer enabling shake mode for snoozing the alarm.

Its pretty amazing.

Just shake your phone... and snooze it is (Cyanogenmod)

Anonymous

@HackToHell lol no, just wait for it to ask you and say "no"

bwDraco

@PatoSáinz Hit Ctrl+C twice in Zypper and you get "OK OK! Exiting immediately..."

Anonymous

@bwDraco you can also do ctrl-c ctrl-c in yum and it'll save the transaction and stop

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

Anonymous

but I remember that years ago I got my db corrupted by it

Anonymous

16:59

old bug

HackToHell

And I have no idea how to install yum

Dave

bwDraco

@Dave Haven't tried this. I'm using the Google Clock app, not the CyanogenMod cLock, so never knew this functionality existed.

qasdfdsaq

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Q: what to do when I am banned from superuser, and I have few questions to ask

without a notification I got negative votes and got banned for the last question I asked in superuser, I deleted it, but then I noticed it's not the solution, I have few answers to correct ,and my profession is not in a level to answer other questions I think it's not a good idea to start answer...

lol

Dave

@bwDraco: Its under the gloogle clock settings. (the dot dot dot menu thing right of the globe)

qasdfdsaq

16:59

@HackToHell apt-get install yum? :-P

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