The Bridge

They're explicitly incompatible so either you have very carefully written libraries that manage to work in both worlds or you have to have them separated

GodEmperorDune

right

MadMAxJr

Or you wait for a newer language. Like PitViper.

GnomeSlice

7:12 PM

😅😅

badp

However I have the feeling that this problem would only get worse in full Python shops because venvs are clearly new and hip and cool and solve all the problems

GodEmperorDune

@badp they're pretty old

just that they finally were incorporated into the core

badp

You just hardcode the version to the one with the specific bug you rely upon so that your bug can make friends with theirs and make everything nice again

such agile, very velocity, wow

GodEmperorDune

it looks like virtualenv was initially released in 2007

badp

and then the library you rely upon goes AWOL and you can't install it with the regular tools anymore and that's okay because you're internally only distributing huge binary blobs made four years ago and so long as you don't touch them everything will be nice

and then you realise that another library had a huge hole in it and it had been updated three years ago but it's fine because you have good pentesters who found out early right?

and then you just have to make the smallest change to make it work and oh god what have I just gotten myself into now nothing works boy is Python horrible

GodEmperorDune

7:17 PM

these are not anything close to python specific

badp

yeah but I just don't see why you'd explicitly hole yourself into this scenario

willingly

I dunno maybe I'm still young and naïve

GodEmperorDune

first off, the python scripts are distributed internally as source, not binary blobs

badp

Maybe I'm pessimist and jaded about version changes

MAYBE I'M BOTH

GodEmperorDune

second, any time you are not keeping things up to date you run into these type of obsolete library issues

badp

Young and old and naïve and jaded at the same time

GodEmperorDune

7:19 PM

so the solution is to keep things updated

and that is regardless of python or any other language

badp

@GodEmperorDune …okay, so two years ago I literally wrote some piece of Python that relies on the fabulous library, now the library is abandoned and the only way to acquire it right now is from apt-get. What do. I couldn't even use such a virtualization system since pipy and easy_install don't know how to install it

GnomeSlice

Gotcha now, nerd

Probably

badp

Do I just take over the library so that I can host it somewhere that makes pipy and easy_install and whatever happy again

GodEmperorDune

@badp either you take over maintenance or you change your code to use a different library

djsmiley2k

just imagine the day github goes down

GodEmperorDune

7:23 PM

hopefully you have automated tests to verify that you're good either way

badp

lol :p

GodEmperorDune

yeah i know :D

badp

It's hundred of lines hacked together

GodEmperorDune

yep, good luck

badp

I totally should take the time to rewrite them though

GodEmperorDune

7:24 PM

if it was important you should have put tests on it

badp

import git instead of parsing command outputs

that would be a nice idea

djsmiley2k

@GodEmperorDune wasn't that a song... oh wait

badp

github.com/badp/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/git-diff-blame

Chippies

I got my first chat ban today :D

GodEmperorDune

@Chippies on SE?

Chippies

7:25 PM

Celebrating time!

@GodEmperorDune here, on Bridge

badp

"Lol this is really slow I'll fix it with memoization!!"

Chippies

30 min ban

badp

Oh me

GodEmperorDune

@Chippies lol, what did you do?

GnomeSlice

gay joke

ish

Powerlord

7:26 PM

Ffff... apparently I checked in some changes to TF2 PropHunt on my home computer... but never pushed them up to Github.

GodEmperorDune

yeah, that's no bueno

Chippies

@GodEmperorDune posted a picture with a joke that included the word "gay"

GnomeSlice

more like making fun of a guy who made a gay joke

djsmiley2k

u got banned for that?

bujt it was funneh

Chippies

although it could've really been replaced with any other word, because the joke wasn't about the gay part

GnomeSlice

7:27 PM

The Bridge is pretty uptight

Powerlord

So, now that I have free time and want to try to fix the two bugs I know exist, I can't because I'd stomp over code I've already fixed.

GodEmperorDune

imo that's not banworthy, but it's done

Chippies

I got banned like half hour after I posted it, lol

GnomeSlice

@Powerlord fix @twobugs?

djsmiley2k

@Powerlord plz don't fix @twobugs

Chippies

7:27 PM

anyways, I gotta go out and do some adult things :( afk

GnomeSlice

inb4 bitch

Powerlord

calls the vet

GodEmperorDune

@badp ok i thought you were embellishing when you mentioned a "fabulous" library

djsmiley2k

/me watches @GnomeSlice get banned.

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice umm wat

badp

7:28 PM

@GodEmperorDune no

It's the nicest library out there for terminal colours and the such

Powerlord

You can get banned here by saying things that are obviously sarcastic in context.

GodEmperorDune

@Powerlord there have been several meta.se suggestions about it, i think they are all ignored

GnomeSlice

@GodEmperorDune I inb4d him

badp

Isn't obvious sarcasm almost an oxymoron

Powerlord

For instance, if the conversation was something about why [insert male character here] doesn't like [insert female character here], "[insert male character here] is gay!" would probably get flagged and get you banned.

GodEmperorDune

7:31 PM

@GnomeSlice ah, makes sense now

@Powerlord zomg, reported!

badp

I mean I try and be obvious about it with excessive caps and punctuation

IT HAS WORKED EXTREMELY WELL SO FAR!!

Powerlord

@badp I've said something ending with !!!!!11111 and still gotten flagged and banned.

GnomeSlice

You can get banned here for a lot of stuff

I just don't talk about anything but video games any more, really

uggh when your teammate doesn't take the wit tiles and the enemy gets them

badp

Being witless is the worst

0/7 would not recommend

SaintWacko

@Powerlord I'm not sure we should be talking about inserting male characters here

badp

7:41 PM

Authentic listicle gameplay

Powerlord

@SaintWacko I said character, not body part.

MadMAxJr

@Powerlord Spy doesn't like Pryo because Pyro wants to set the world on fire. Different kind of flaming.

Powerlord

So, I'm modifying Prop Hunt now anyway and I'm hoping I don't get any merge conflicts.

MadMAxJr

If I ever get another TF2 server I will remember to get one that lets me access and edit the dang files directly.

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr Pro-tip: Never rent from Multiplay

MadMAxJr

7:45 PM

working through Multiplay support to get Prophunt working was a pain. They happily worked with me to get it running in a timely manner. But telling them what to do was auuuugh

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr I'm working on PropHunt 3.4.0.0 right now.

Did some testing over the weekend and crushed a number of bugs.

Yuuki

I don't think people understand that arena quests are 2-person only.

ardaozkal

^Why I love gravity falls

Powerlord

I never watched Gravity Falls, but isn't this season going to be the last one?

ardaozkal

I'unno, looks like that, but you can't be sure..

badp

7:47 PM

good, then maybe I can binge it at some point

ardaozkal

MadMAxJr

I think there's only one more episode isn't there?

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr Post about what I'm doing with PropHunt 3.4

MadMAxJr

I will have to view that later. Blocked from here.

ardaozkal

@MadMAxJr Looks like that.

Powerlord

7:48 PM

@MadMAxJr Figures. I can only see it using HTTPS, and it sounds like it'll be blocked on me too starting in March.

...because we're going to a version that TOTALLY doesn't spoof HTTPS certs!!!!1111

MadMAxJr

@Powerlord Any work around for the occasional issue where people don't change sides properly? I know you recommended a mod to get around that.

ardaozkal

@MadMAxJr Pictures of the page: ardao.me/files/3d78.png and ardao.me/files/b7a9.png

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr Yes. I use a gamedata file so I can call CTFGameRules::SetSwitchTeams directly now.

James

@ardaozkal Actual Size(tm)

Powerlord

Which tells TF2 to switch teams on round end.

Works beautifully. In fact, between the time Source SDK 2013 was made and now, TF2 fixed where it does the team score swapping.

ardaozkal

7:50 PM

Oh wait... Powerlord is the developer of PropHunt Redux? Daayyyum

MadMAxJr

He's the maintainer/developer.

He picked it up where another team stopped.

Wow, you're planning a Prophunt 4.0

Powerlord

PropHunt 4.0 has some stuff done already. Like totally revamping the PropHunt config file because it's like 78k now.

MadMAxJr

My play group liked Prophunt more than actual TF2 but the bugs basically made us give up. That and the halfassed server config thanks to Multiplay

setvar SpiesOnFireAtAllTimes = yes;

Powerlord

Also, I'm trying to split the PropHunt stats stuff out into separate plugin(s).

GnomeSlice

@badp Jerma is the best

Watch his screamriders video

MadMAxJr

7:53 PM

Given the age of TF2 I'm surprised to see you put all this effort into it still, @Powerlord

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr I'm also the person who pushed for inclusion of functions in SourceMod to deal with Workshop maps in TF2 and CS:GO.

0

Q: Gets Iceblink applied to the cold damage of a weapon?

If I do not use any cold skill (crusader) but if I use a weapon with cold damage, will the Chill effect of Iceblink be applied to every attack in order to reliably trigger the damage enhancement of Bane of the Trapped?

also essential

arguably moreso

@Powerlord What drives you to keep at it? A project you genuinely enjoy?

Ronan Forman

7:57 PM

Truly @Powerlord is the power Lord of the People.

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr Because I want to.

For example, with SourceMod, there literally isn't a publicly available map voting plugin that I haven't touched at some point.

That includes the one shipped with SourceMod itself. I'm the last contributer to that one.

MBraedley

Dutch Police Training Eagles to Take Down Drones

This is the world we live in now.

SaintWacko

@MBraedley That is awesome

MadMAxJr

Dutch Criminals to train new breed of sport hunters to take down anti-drone eagles

If those are police eagles, where are their custom body armor and badges?

GodEmperorDune

@MBraedley i like the japanese police drones with nets

MBraedley

8:06 PM

@GodEmperorDune Didn't the gangs just get bigger drones with bigger nets to take down the police drones?

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr btw, if you think that's weird, I'm working on a brand new map voting plugin.

MadMAxJr

Oh? Whats wrong with the existing sourcemod one?

Other than building on top of ancient sourcemod code?

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr There are a lot of game-specific quirks that it doesn't handle.

GodEmperorDune

@MBraedley yeah but drone net wars are fun

MadMAxJr

so a source-general mapvote mod? Neat.

Powerlord

8:07 PM

Also, people seem to want the advanced capabilities of Ultimate MapChooser, but that thing is... well...

Not Spaghetti code, per se, but it's... very poorly documented.

MadMAxJr

Just add a few lines.. Detect if game is TF2, if true, add line to vote choices 'I don't know but not 2fort or hydro'

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr TF2 is one of the games that works differently than the others.

However, MapChooser has been specifically coded to handle that case.

user15026

The Lakitu figure on my desk had his glasses snapped off at some point between Friday and now (they weren't hanging on too well to begin with), and now his face looks SO WEIRD.

Sepia Lazers

0

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Arquade is unique in SE in that our subject matter is in constant flux. In they last several years, more and more games come out that patch out old problems and introduce new ones. Despite this, our duplicate policy discourages asking cosmetically similar but fundamentally different questions whi...

feature-request

MadMAxJr

1. pl_frontier_final 2.pl_frontier_final 3.pl_frontier_final 4.pl_frontier_final 5.pl_frontier_final

There, that's a fair vote.

user15026

8:10 PM

(also, the point where his glasses connected is black and it looks now like he has angry eyebrows)

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr I specifically meant that TF2 uses a different round end thing.

But anyway, part of UMC is that it allows you to specify a bunch of different settings for a map... such as minimum number of players for it to appear in a vote, etc...

It does this by allowing filter plugins to reject a map.

MadMAxJr

Oh right, you talked about the round end issues when I first asked about the oddities we had with the prophunt mod.

Timing oddities.

Powerlord

It also allows voting on map groups... either just voting on the group then letting the plugin choose a map, or by voting on the group first then the map.

MadMAxJr

So you could vote for a ctf set or a pl set, etc?

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr Right.

MadMAxJr

8:15 PM

Maybe a server mod 'maps of the month' set... I like that

Powerlord

In fact, I was either done or nearly done with the core plugin and end of map vote plugin... I should double-check those and see if there was anything else I needed to do there.

MadMAxJr

I missed the whole holiday humbug events on TF2. I should pick it back up.

Powerlord

Hmm, some of these TODO markers seem to be for things I've already done

// TODO Update this to use a method that flattens the map list

Can't tell if the method this calls does that or not

ardaozkal

Need for Speed: Most Wanted is on the house!

djsmiley2k

@ardaozkal do not want.

ardaozkal

8:19 PM

@djsmiley2k just add it to your account if you have an origin account.

MadMAxJr

I'm afraid to open origin and see it pull a huge backlog of updates for BF4, Titanfall, and Dragon Age.

ardaozkal

You don't have to download it, nor open origin.

It'll tell you to open origin, but you'll get receipt anyways.

Also, There is a huge sale on Origin atm.

Arperum

Fuck no. Bad. No. Rage.

Some dude that thinks rape should be legal on private property is having wordwide meetups this weekend for his fans, be careful

MBraedley

> I'm afraid to open origin ~~and see it pull a huge backlog of updates for BF4, Titanfall, and Dragon Age.~~

FTFY

Powerlord

@MBraedley Could be worse... could be uPlay

MadMAxJr

8:27 PM

I'll take uPlay over Origin.

MBraedley

@MadMAxJr You're a brave man...

MadMAxJr

No, I'm just a steam fanboy. If it's in steam or another onion layer under steam, I'm okay.

ardaozkal

Newest ubi game:

Sterno

@Arperum I can think of a few ways to turn that around on him

Chippies

@MadMAxJr ugh, gross

Wipqozn

8:29 PM

@Arperum Heard about this guy. Total fucking scumbag isn't as strong enough phrase to describe him.

Chippies

the 2nd part of that sentence is gross

I'll take Origin over uPlay any time of the day, but I won't use either, so there's that...

Arperum

@Wipqozn I refuse to even use the term "human". fuck. so mad right now.

Chippies

but at least I have an Origin account

Powerlord

@MadMAxJr uPlay on top of Origin? Kinda like you have uPlay on top of Steam?

Wipqozn

@Arperum THis is an appropriate response.

MadMAxJr

8:29 PM

uplay generally means I have to click 'play game' twice from steam. Once on steam, again on the uPlay loader.

Origin means firing up another service, trying to recall my damn password because it's not part of the usual rotation of 11 off my password card.

Chippies

@MadMAxJr uplay also means that if uplay servers are dead (seems to happen on big launches, from what I hear) then you can't play your game, even though it's on steam

Powerlord

glances at clock. double takes when he notices the hour is 1-2 hours lower than he was expecting

Wipqozn

> The leader of a "neo-masculinist" group that advocates the legalisation of rape is likely to be barred from visiting Australia.

Arperum

@Wipqozn I'm half debating to go to brussels saturday just to go defend woman against those fucking things.

Wipqozn

smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/…

MadMAxJr

8:31 PM

Just about any online game these days is going to die with the company. That's not just a uPlay thing.

Chippies

@MadMAxJr does uplay allow changing your display name yet? Last I checked, they gave you some random dudebro display name and didn't let you change it

fun times

Arperum

@Wipqozn he claims he can enter without a visa

Chippies

@MadMAxJr that's not what I said

for example: Watch_Dogs release - legit players couldn't play for days because uplay login servers were overloaded

MadMAxJr

Then that is a problem, yes. But I personally haven't had problems. I generally use it to play whatever assassins creed has been marked half off or Blood Dragon. Is it a problem in the future? Likely.

Sterno

Honestly, more repulsive to me is that he has fans.

MadMAxJr

8:33 PM

I suspect when their servers go down, it'll be at a point in time where I don't care. It's digital media which had a EULA attached where you probably agreed to these conditions.

ardaozkal

@Chippies same happened to rockstar for hours on every GTA 5 and Online release, and it happens on every steam sale. Also Diablo is unplayable without lag for a few days after every patch.

Arperum

@Sterno Yes. All of them are terrible things.

Dragonrage

well microsoft got rid of halo servers for pc, but people still play it

Lazers 2.0

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Q: What is the most efficient job for gathering materials for crafting from monsters in FFXIV

The crafting bug has caught me and I found that I really love crafting down to every single detail. However, gathering materials from monsters is a drag, especially if you are farming as a black mage which needs to dodge AoE circles as they come. What is the most efficient classes for gathering m...

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Chippies

@ardaozkal the difference is that if I buy a single player game on steam, I don't expect it to not work because some other DRM is having issues

MadMAxJr

8:34 PM

Probably has to do with the fact you own a revocable license to play a game, not actually own a game.

Don't get me wrong, DRM of that level is dumb, but it isn't going away.

Because people still buy Assassins Creed [flavor of the year edition] and reinforce their behavior.

Sterno

I'm going to flip this around.

If pirates would stop pirating shit, publishers wouldn't spend money on DRM!

Chippies

@Sterno HAHAHA, no

MadMAxJr

Lets go back to code wheels and 'What's the word on page 39 of the manual?' !

Dragonrage

@Sterno so piraters should pirate worthwhile stuff?

Chippies

@MadMAxJr oh the pre-internet times

ardaozkal

8:37 PM

@Chippies Well, yeah.

I bought a game's gold edition on steam, and I later learned that they disabled the DLCs and I just ended up paying more for nothing by buying the gold edition.

MadMAxJr

The original Master of Orion was evil. It didn't ask you for a manual check till around turn 30~40.

ardaozkal

Assassin's Creed: Revolutions, btw.

MadMAxJr

If you failed it dumped you to the dos prompt

fredley

Meanwhile, in ~~user56~~ drama

Chippies

DRM doesn't stop pirates and it encourages legit players to either pirate or not play at all

user15026

8:39 PM

@fredley sigh I kinda think rubbernecking this drama is a bad idea

Sterno

@fredley "I'm deleting my account!" drama is best drama

@AshleyNunn He's doing a public service.

user15026

I mean I keep thinking how annoyed we get when people poke our stuff with sticks.....

user15026

But hey, whatever. Have fun, I suppose.

Sterno

It is pretty surprising the guy who made racist comments in edits on another site is now a moderator

user15026

Just keep in mind this is already a powder keg, standing around it with a lighter is likely to be a bad idea.

Unionhawk

8:40 PM

confiscates all lighters

Sterno

@AshleyNunn There's standing around it with a lighter, and there's taking a seat up in the bleachers where you get a good view of the explosion.

user15026

@Sterno Yeah, I'm more warning against the lighters, rather than the bleachers

MadMAxJr

Lets DRM the lighters!

And this is where kalina comes out of nowhere to set me on fire.

Chippies

@MadMAxJr she doesn't set people on fire anymore. Or so she claims

ardaozkal

@fredley Isn't the elected guy who added racist stuff to the mod post in puzzling before?

Chippies

8:42 PM

for legal reasons, I would assume

user15026

@ardaozkal Not to the election post, I don't think, I think it was edits on another site post.

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn see my edit

Sterno

Wow. The SFF moderator election chatroom is hard on the eyes.

ardaozkal

Ok, Is there way for me to hide my private stuff from him and him only?

user15026

@ardaozkal Also, see above re: lighters and powder kegs. (aka seriously guys enough people will be touching this thing with a stick.)

fredley

8:43 PM

@Sterno Needs more PorkChat

Lazers 2.0

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I'm trying to set up a server on minecraft servers.net but it says I need a server ip:port. I have a general idea of what it is but how do find it?

minecraft hosting

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pokemon-dpp

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Q: Do Holy Wars Effect Infamy?

The infamy mechanic has been added as of Patch 2.5.1. It's supposed to work in a similar way to aggressive expansion in EU4, where by conquering provinces will contribute towards you infamy score which is represented by a percentage. If that score reaches 25% your neighbours will start to form co...

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Mad Scientist

@ardaozkal No

user15026

@ardaozkal Short of deleting your account on that site, no. Mods are all allowed access to teh same information, whatever it is.

user15026

So, either you're chill with that, or you request deletion.

ardaozkal

I'm on 101 rep there. Might go with that.

Sterno

8:46 PM

Man, who cares about SFF? That site is lame anyway. Arqade for life!

It still physically pains me to type the QA in Arqade.

5

Texenox

Hey guys.

@Sterno You and me both.

Powerlord

@Sterno This isn't just any user doing it... it's a person who is a mod on two other SE sites.

ardaozkal

Mods can only remove me from one site right? I don't want to lose my sweet Arqade reps by saving myself from that racist mod.

Sterno

@Powerlord That just makes the drama more delicious.

spugsley

I LIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVE

2

Dragonrage

8:48 PM

@Sterno in this day and age it seems more likely that people would be pained spelling things correctly

Texenox

@Sterno What kind of comments, exactly?

Sterno

spugsley

THIS IS WHY I DON'T COME HERE ANYMORE

THE THREAT OF DOLAN IS ALWAYS NEIGH

Sterno

@Texenox I don't have a link handy. Find the moderator election page and its in the comments on his nomination. Or at least it was

spugsley

NIGH

Kevin van der Velden

8:49 PM

YAY! SPUGSLEY!

ardaozkal

@Sterno Also see: anime.stackexchange.com where they allow Identification and nsfw questions.

Sterno

@spugsley The amount of Dolan is inversely proportionate to how much you're here.

spugsley

NEIGH? NIGH? Which is for horses and which is for not horses?

Kevin van der Velden

Neigh is for horses and @PrivatePansy

3

Sterno

Hay is for horses. HAI is for Dolan.

Mad Scientist

8:50 PM

@Powerlord And he's not the only one

spugsley

oh. my. gawd.

fredley

@spugsley why the long absence?

we demand answers

spugsley

Well, I worked like a fucking dog for this school yearbook company, right? Like 12 hours days no breaks, no lunches, and lifting 150-200 lbs of equipment twice or more per day

Powerlord

@Sterno Moderator Election page

spugsley

so fuck that, I hated it.

so all I did was sleep when I was home

no art making.

Dragonrage

8:51 PM

how does one delete their account on a site?

spugsley

no nothing. Just whining children and sleeping and lifting and waking up at 4am

fredley

@Dragonrage change name and profile to delete me

Texenox

@Sterno So far I found a link to a Meta chatroom that rand made. What now?

fredley

@spugsley :(

GodEmperorDune

zomg @spugsley WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

Sterno

8:52 PM

@Powerlord Huh. The one I read seems to be gone

spugsley

so then I was like fuck this I quit. But that's not why.

my boss was horrible.

user4704

@Dragonrage If you have never done anything on that site, you can get to the Delete Profile button on Edit Profile & Settings.

spugsley

he said some horrible, trigger-y stuff that I won't repeat

ardaozkal

in 2016 Science Fiction & Fantasy Moderator Election, 41 secs ago, by ardaozkal

@Null Can you please remove my Scifi account? I don't want my private stuff on the hand of a racist guy.

spugsley

I looked for support from HR. GUESS WHAT NO HR

user4704

8:52 PM

If you have done something on that site, that won't be available and you'll need to ping a CM via the Contact Us page.

ardaozkal

THE DRAMA CONTINUES

Unionhawk

Goddammit

Literally

Kevin van der Velden

... stop poking it @ardaozkal

user15026

@Dragonrage Contact link at the bottom of the site, then "I need to delete my account"

Texenox

@ardaozkal stop

Dragonrage

8:53 PM

@JoshPetrie i asked a question there

Mad Scientist

@Texenox meta.puzzling.stackexchange.com/posts/1601/revisions

user15026

12 secs ago, by Ashley Nunn

@Dragonrage Contact link at the bottom of the site, then "I need to delete my account"

GodEmperorDune

@spugsley thats super fuct

Sterno

@ardaozkal See, that's the lighter @AshleyNunn was talking about.

GodEmperorDune

we are glad you survived

Lazers 2.0

8:53 PM

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