Root Access

3:00 PM

Back at WP8 release they were still pretty shoddy and MS was making an ARM push on tablets too.

Having dual-arch on a mobile platform significantly complicates things for app developers, too, and it also requires you to have some mechanism, if you value users' limited data plans, to only download natives for their arch, so an Intel SoC user doesn't get a 30 MB copy of QtGui for ARM, for instance.

Bob

Looks like Atom is competitive with Snapdragon in benchmarks.

Maybe a little worse.

Not sure how the power consumption is but supposedly decent.

(Didn't quite catch up to Exynos in perf)

@allquixotic Well, at the moment WP is pure ARM.

allquixotic

Isn't part Intel's mobile strategy keeping core count low? None of this quad-core, 8-core phone crap... I recall them saying they can do far more with two cores than even high-end ARM SoCs with 8 cores.

Their only real competitor on ridiculously fast low core count SoCs at the moment is the Apple A9. Two cores, handily beats the Snapdragon 810.

Bob

Should also be noted that the Z3580 was launched in Q2 2014. So it's effectively an old chip now.

A few months before the Snapdragon 810.

Hm. Looks like they don't have a newer gen for mobile yet.

allquixotic

Intel seems to be placing most of their efforts toward the ultrabook / x86 tablet form factor, with mainstream desktop a close second.

Ah well. I'll keep watching Bug 95294 to see if Google changes the priority from "Small" or if people who previously had the BT bug ever managed to fix it, either by buying different cans or a different phone or upgrading OS.

Bob

3:07 PM

Wait, there's the Z3590 launched Q3 2015 o.O

@allquixotic I still haven't experienced it :S

ark.intel.com/products/91319/…

O_O that's a high freq

allquixotic

!!does a new phone or a new OS or new cans fix the BT problem?

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic a new OS

Bob

Same arch as the previous one though.

allquixotic

ok, Cavil. Marshmallow it is

Bob

lol

allquixotic

3:09 PM

er. iOS 9 is a new OS. problem already solved :P

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic Cause ultrabooks/SFF boxen are a bigger market and since I suspect any efficiency improvements trickle up

and there's no alternatives in the mainstream and enthusiast desktop market worth considering

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek yup, Wintel compatibility momentum still going strong

*tries to run .exe on ARM* *sadface*

Journeyman Geek

I'm hoping Zen/Polaris make AMD a little less lame

@allquixotic not to mention most die space is GPU these days...

and in 2-3 generations I suspect you can do low/medium setting 4k gaming on onboard video ;p

allquixotic

Intel is making more power-efficient GPUs and keeping up with the latest DX/OpenGL features, but I do wonder how their in-house CPU designs would play in a mobile context compared to PowerVR and Adreno.

Adreno is Radeon tech (notice the anagram) and I think it's one of the best in mobile. Though IIRC Apple uses PowerVR, and the A9 is the current king of GPU SoC perf.

Bob

@allquixotic Intel originally "expected" 14nm Morganfield (w/ Goldmont core) in 2014 :P

We might be seeing that this year.

allquixotic

3:14 PM

@Bob 14nm Intel SoC with Intel GMA-based GPU? ... Naaaaah. They'll wuss out and go with PowerVR. -_-

GMA hasn't penetrated mobile at all, IIRC.

Nothing smaller than an ultrabook, anyway.

Bob

Waiiit. Meizu MX4 Pro has an Exynos SoC O_O

allquixotic

@Bob So the Exynos is not Sammy-exclusive? Wonder what kind of deal they had to strike there.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I seem to remember it was a previous AMD arm project that was spun off?

Or am i confusing them with intel's Arm efforts

allquixotic

If Apple is getting fab time on Sammy, and Meizu is getting Exynos, you'd think Microsoft could've....? Meh. Doesn't really matter. Just would've given them the latest tech and been even more appealing.

Journeyman Geek

what do the SOFIAs have for video?

allquixotic

3:16 PM

@JourneymanGeek "It" what? Your messages don't "reply" to me. :P

Journeyman Geek

oh adreno

Bob

@allquixotic The PowerVR G6430 in Moorefield benchmarks close to the Adreno 418 in the Snapdragon 808.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek Oh. No. Qualcomm Adreno is a "fork" of AMD Radeon IP (incl. patent licenses).

Bob

Falls behind the Adreno 430 in Snapdragon 810, though.

allquixotic

It's an anagram for "Radeon".

notebookcheck.net/…

Bob

3:18 PM

@allquixotic Was a Exynos 5430.

allquixotic

@Bob Ah, previous-gen! Hmm

Bob

@allquixotic The phone itself was Oct 2014

allquixotic

@Bob It was current-gen with the release of the phone, then. Interesting.

Bob

Ohhh I completely forgot about SoFIA.

The Intel budget phone SoC

tereško

OMG

I think I made it actually work

that is, the Crimson drivers on Arch

Anonymous

3:24 PM

@tereško I have had more problems with AMD drivers on Windows than on Linux

tereško

well, I think what I got was more a case of bad luck

allquixotic

I've !!no'ed right out of having to worry about AMD drivers. "What's a driver?" I think to myself as I snicker at the poor sobs who bought my used R9 280X and HD7970, and shrug and fire up Witcher 3 on my GTX 980.

(Or KSP on Ubuntu. :P)

Bob

> The Intel® Atom™ x3-C3440 processor includes a 64-bit quad-core Intel® Atom™ CPU and an integrated 4G LTE 5-band modem. The upgraded video can provide 1080p HD playback. The Mali T720 MP2 GPU supports Open GL ES 3.0 and DirectX 9.3.

@allquixotic ^

tereško

my issue boiled down to a fact that Arch released a major update ~12 days after Crimson linux drives were published

and of course the new Arch's version was bundled with latest major kernel and xorg-server version increment

Bob

> During Intel Developer Forum in Shenzhen, China on April 8, 2015, Intel and Rockchip* announced devices based on the Intel® Atom™ x3-C3230RK processor are expected in market later in Q2, 2015

Rockchip. Rockchip.

Oh hell no.

Hint: they have a very fitting name...

Anonymous

3:29 PM

@Bob what does rockchip do?

Bob

@PatoSáinz Make chips that run about as fast as rocks.

allquixotic

lol

Anonymous

7 Gamers, 1 CPU - Ultimate Virtualized Gaming Build Log

►

Bob

Hm. I wonder...

allquixotic

Ooh. I just realized I'm getting an extra tax refund this year because I bought a hybrid car last year.

Bob

3:32 PM

The Atom x7-Z8700 is far more competitive with flagship Snapdragon and Exynos.

I wonder how hard that would be to put in a phone.

It doesn't have the integrated connectivity (LTE, Wi-Fi, GNSS, etc.), though.

Heh. The x3 is manufactured by TSMC.

Oh, and the x5 and x7 use Gen 8 (Broadwell) Intel HD graphics. And are 14nm.

allquixotic

@Bob Wow. There's GMA inside a SoC! :P (Though you said it isn't in any phones)

Bob

@allquixotic Yea, seems to only be used in tablets.

The lack of integrated connectivity is problematic for phones.

allquixotic

@Bob "Big" tablets or little ones like we bought?

Bob

@allquixotic Both? :P

Mostly the little ones.

Big ones are more likely to use a Core M.

allquixotic

!!undo

!!tell allquixotic say @allquixotic Don't spend your money now; wait for the next-gen Nvidia GPUs before you spend your $2K Dell interest-free loan on a laptop-desktop-replacement >_< (And probably wait for 4 GB SSDs to become commonly available)

ChatBot John Cavil

3:39 PM

@allquixotic @allquixotic Don't spend your money now; wait for the next-gen Nvidia GPUs before you spend your $2K Dell interest-free loan on a laptop-desktop-replacement >_< (And probably wait for 4 GB SSDs to become commonly available)

allquixotic

OK, Cavil. Because you said it, I'll wait. *hovers over "Add to cart" button*

!!tell dell.com/us/p/alienware-17-r3/pd no

ChatBot John Cavil

@dell.com/us/p/alienware-17-r3/pd i.stack.imgur.com/M0Ngk.png

allquixotic

I still want convergence so bad though

I want to have just a laptop and no desktop

and Clippy can't help me

Bob

@allquixotic anandtech.com/show/9219/the-surface-3-review/6

Anonymous

@allquixotic my ideal setup: beefy desktop + light, cheap, not very powerful, long battery notebook

Anonymous

3:44 PM

I mean, my current notebook has saved me a couple times with some Premiere projects

Bob

Looks like it beats the customised PowerVR GXA6850 (A8X) in some cases. But falls behind in others.

allquixotic

@Bob ....Surface 3? :S

Ah

Anonymous

but I only need something from where to run one linux VM on the go and use photoshop. that's it

Bob

@allquixotic Major device using the x7.

allquixotic

@Bob ah

@PatoSáinz That's probably more cost-efficient than my ideal setup (a huge, top-end laptop, a smartphone, and a 7-9" Android/iOS ARM tablet) but not being able to take serious GPU horsepower on trips is a little annoying

Bob

3:46 PM

CPU perf seems to trail a little behind the A8X, though they only used in-browser benchmarks there so it could be browser optimisations.

anandtech.com/show/9219/the-surface-3-review/5

Anonymous

@allquixotic I mean, there have been some new things, for example a couple of notebooks with desktop-grade GPUs and no thermal throttling

allquixotic

I don't want a desktop-grade GPU and CPU in a laptop. Too bulky.

Anonymous

a 980

Anonymous

@allquixotic then a 980M

allquixotic

Needs to fit on my lap on a plane or train.

Yeah. 980M. But I swore not to buy another 28nm chip.

So, come on 1080M! :P

Anonymous

3:48 PM

hahaha

Anonymous

@allquixotic a tablet? normie

Anonymous

at most I'd say an e-ink kindle, but no a tablet

Bob

@allquixotic The SoC itself is certainly small enough to fit in a phone :P

allquixotic

wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gpu-gtc-2015

Bob

@allquixotic I have a physically small laptop that packs a fair bit of power. Though I don't really travel much now...

allquixotic

3:50 PM

wccftech tends to exaggerate and over-spec things, so I expect the flagship HBM2-based Titan will only have 16 GB of VRAM, not 32.

They've already used Titan X and Titan Z. What are they going to call the Pascal Titan?

Titan Y?

Anonymous

I just want the R9 nano to be on sale

Anonymous

@allquixotic Titan XXX

Bob

@allquixotic AA

The natural progression, as defined by our Excel and PHP overlords.

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz The Fury X2 is going to be an absolute beast of a card, but I can't get past the driver situation.

@Bob LOL

@Bob Once marketing gets to that point, though, they generally just remove all model number/name definitions completely and just call it "The New X".

Bob

(apparently you can increment a string in PHP, and that's what happens)

allquixotic

3:53 PM

Who wants a Titan Y? Let's call it The New Titan!

Bob

@allquixotic Oh god.

"New 3DS" "New Kindle"

dammit WHICH ONE AM I BUYING?!?!

allquixotic

New Alienware 15

New Nexus 7

Bob

@allquixotic They didn't even bother with "new" there

...did they?

Anonymous

@allquixotic the Giant (nudge nudge HCF)

Anonymous

@allquixotic what's wrong with the drivers now?

allquixotic

3:55 PM

@Bob True. Amazon and other vendors ended up calling it the "Nexus 7, Second Generation", but Google themselves just called it Nexus 7 officially.

@PatoSáinz Games that are written with Nvidia's help rely too heavily on tessellation because they know AMD cards are worse at tessellation than Maxwell and all future Nvidia cards are. So they suck in the perf department on AMD. And there's been a recent spate of games I care very much about that are GameWorks optimized.

Anonymous

hmm

Anonymous

I miss those days where the graphics market wasn't even a duopoly

Bob

allquixotic

AMD should retaliate by working with a game developer to build a game that does physics using FP64 in OpenCL. Double precision GPGPU is an area that AMD kills Nvidia's consumer cards on.

Bob

source

Anonymous

3:58 PM

@allquixotic how much profit did you think AMD had with all the bitcoin bubbles?

allquixotic

@Bob Woof! Woof! ... Oh, wrong taxonomic tribe. :P

Anonymous

AMD’s Revolutionary 14nm FinFET Polaris GPU Architecture

►

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz Not enough, apparently. Now dedicated is the thing.

GPU for bitcoin is no longer profitable unless you aren't footing the electricity bill

Anonymous

@allquixotic yeah, I know that FPGAs have dominated that for a couple of years, but there was a time where AMD cards would be out of stock due to sheer demand

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz TSMC also had great difficulty fulfilling demand for the cards in general around the time the 7970 launched due to the immaturity of the 28nm process, even regardless of the bitcoin thing

Anonymous

4:01 PM

I see

Anonymous

(hah like the great RAM and HDD shortage due to floods a couple of years ago)

Bob

@PatoSáinz Nah. We're up to ASICs now.

Anonymous

@Bob I remember when we calculated our bitcoin SHAs by hand get off my lawn

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz Yeah, the Thailand floods killed HDD prices, and created an entire industry around ripping HDDs out of retail enclosures and reselling them at higher prices

Bob

@PatoSáinz righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html

allquixotic

4:04 PM

Also, I bought my 32GB DDR3 at a price that I haven't seen since... maybe it's back down with DDR4 out now, but damn

I got in before the price spikes

Bob

@allquixotic What was the price?

Anonymous

@allquixotic well, on 2016 news, Samsung is about to market reliable 2TB SSDs (just in time for CES)

Bob

I can get 8 GB of DDR4 for 66 AUD now.

Anonymous

I hate that CES has been now for a couple of years a TV-gimmick-and-size dick measuring contest

allquixotic

@Bob $199.00 USD for 4 x 8 GB PC3-12800

Anonymous

4:06 PM

rather than interesting shit

Bob

@allquixotic So about the same.

Mrfunny744

@PatoSáinz I have a 2TB samsung harddrive, its amazing (very reliable)

Bob

amazon.com/…

Anonymous

@Mrfunny744 how much did it cost back then?

Bob

Actually a bit cheaper if you go for the slower one

amazon.com/…

Mrfunny744

4:07 PM

45 quid

Bob

Even $150:

amazon.com/…

Anonymous

@Bob does DDR4 even provide a significant performance boost?

Bob

...ok I'm done spamming chat now :P

Anonymous

I guess it'd make sense if you did computing and number crunching

Anonymous

but for games...

Bob

4:07 PM

@PatoSáinz It provides for much higher memory density.

As far as throughput/latency, I don't know. @allquixotic was following that closer than I was.

Anonymous

@Mrfunny744 so 66 dollars?

Mrfunny744

I guess. I'm not american

Anonymous

@Mrfunny744 me neither

allquixotic

No one here is, except me

lol

Anonymous

@allquixotic you're a very free man

allquixotic

4:09 PM

Meh. I travel infrequently enough that having a cheap, light craptop will have to do. There's always Amazon and their GRID GPUs in a pinch. Worked in the past. :3

Anonymous

@allquixotic what's the latency of airplane internet?

Bob

One word: high

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz High. Get it? High? lol

omg, jinx

Bob

:D

allquixotic

Stop thinking like me. This is what I get for talking to you on voice.

Bob

4:10 PM

LOL

Anonymous

lol

allquixotic

Now I have a fox-cat-dog brain. I'm confused :(

2

meoooofack!

Well, desktop/laptop stuff will have to wait. Getting a tablet is higher priority now that I returned my Fire HD 10

Anonymous

@allquixotic ughh tablets shivers

Anonymous

is stackoverflow failing to load for anybody else?

allquixotic

I'm gonna get the Fire HDX 8.9" (launched October 2014). Snapdragon 805 + 2 GB RAM should be fine for Hearthstone and video, and it explicitly supports MHL.

Dave

4:26 PM

Turn over the voip server

ITS NOT FAIR

allquixotic

@Dave No. You must be of Singaporean, Australian or USAian nationality to join our VoIP server.

Dave

What if my IRC handle is asn? Will that work?

Anonymous

@allquixotic my country had a coup d'etat organised by America, does that mean I'm USAian too?

Dave

USAian = Half USA / Half Asian?

Bob

You wouldn't be able to talk on there anyway :P

(I set up ACLs properly while bored...)

Anonymous

4:28 PM

> Tracing route to stackoverflow.com [104.16.33.249]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.52.224.3
3 12 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.50.1.117
4 4 ms 3 ms 3 ms 10.50.1.122
5 5 ms 2 ms 3 ms hundred0-7-0-0.ppal.mundo.movistar.cl [200.91.11.77]
6 25 ms 4 ms 3 ms 0-0-2-0-grtvapem2.net.telefonicaglobalsolutions.com [5.53.0.253]
7 97 ms 98 ms 99 ms te0-3-0-2-grtmiabr5.net.telefonicaglobalsolutions.com [94.142.118.42]

Anonymous

whyyyyy are you so slooooow

Bob

Because cloudflare.

Anonymous

and also damn, I've rep capped for today

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz Just provide a (good) answer here and you'll be able to keep earning, then.

Anonymous

@allquixotic wow +500 bounty

Anonymous

4:32 PM

isn't that question more of a ServerFault one?

Anonymous

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz No, because it has nothing to do with "enterprise-grade" software. I'm not asking for a solution from IBM, or something about a datacenter server.

Dave

Doesnt Linux support PPP-MULTILINK ?

allquixotic

This is probably something that can be done with existing open source software. I just don't know which exact bits I need.

@Dave Wish I knew what that was.

@PatoSáinz Technically this solution could be architected and tested by anyone with a computer and two VMs running simultaneously (a client and a server). You could use virtual ethernet adapters to emulate my WiFi and NIC cards.

Dave

@allquixotic: allows you to use multiple interfaces on a device and establish a connection with a linux server... packets would come into the *nix box you're connecting to, and they would be fragmented there and distributed across both interfaces...

allquixotic

4:35 PM

@Dave What about encrypting that?

Bob

@allquixotic You could probably run a VPN on top of that.

Anonymous

@allquixotic this is a daily reminder that because you are using encryption your very own gov't has put you on a special watchlist

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz Uhh... so then everyone who visits google.com and gets redirected to google.com is on the watchlist?

Bob

He already added himself to the watchlist :3

Dave

You would need a fast dedicated server though. I think ppp supports encryption

allquixotic

4:37 PM

@Bob No kidding.

@Dave Done. I have the SP-128.

Dave

nice

brb closing tickets @ work

Bob

@Dave ECP only supports DES and 3DES: iana.org/assignments/ppp-numbers/…

allquixotic

root@phys:~# cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l

root@phys:~# free -h
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:          125G        47G        78G        33M       2.7M       1.1G
-/+ buffers/cache:        46G        79G
Swap:           0B         0B         0B
root@phys:~# df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev             63G  4.0K   63G   1% /dev
tmpfs            13G  852K   13G   1% /run
tank/root       1.6T  213G  1.4T  14% /
none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup

Bob

hm... it does allow proprietary encryption, but I wonder if anyone bothered to implement AES for it

allquixotic

!! s/A/NSA/

ChatBot John Cavil

4:41 PM

@allquixotic hm... it does allow proprietary encryption, but I wonder if anyone bothered to implement NSAES for it (source)

allquixotic

:P

top - 16:44:36 up 20 days, 22:19,  2 users,  load average: 1.71, 1.66, 1.57
Tasks: 749 total,   2 running, 747 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie

Welp, that's not surprising at all. The "big two" processes are gateone and kvm-qemu since I'm using rdp now to my box

Dave

you could wrap it with stunnel. I see scripts all over the web that show you how to wrap it.

stunnel.org/index.html

allquixotic

Hmm. cryptoless OpenVPN inside an stunnel? :S

Still, that's at least several nested transport layers.

doing HTTPS inside that tunnel would be TLS -> TCP -> UDP -> TCP... ewwww

Dave

:-/

Anonymous

5:23 PM

@allquixotic tcp over ip over tls over tcp over udp over tcp

Anonymous

cool

Dave

nikhef.nl/~janjust/ppp/index.html

tereško

can anyone recommend a good linux music player ?

preferably something that fits in KDE

Anonymous

@tereško Clementine

Anonymous

since you asked for something GUI

Bob

5:24 PM

Amarok?

I just know it as the default on Kubuntu :P

tereško

@PatoSáinz emm ... I already installed it, but it seemed broken as shit

Anonymous

@tereško lol why?

Anonymous

what distro are you on?

tereško

Arch

Anonymous

@tereško tomahawk, deadbeef

tereško

5:25 PM

as for "why", I have no idea: it completely broke out of library folder location, which I defined and then it could not play anything

qasdfdsaq

5:36 PM

@allquixotic Lol 3 off-topic close flags

The reason there's no popular out of the box solution for this is because it's too easy and also too hard

Especially on LTE, I basically wouldn't even try bonding.

Canadian Luke

Morning all!

qasdfdsaq

Unless you have extremely good LTE links, bonding will cause more problems than it solves

That just leaves, basically, plain ol' load balancing

The only advantage over just load balancing two naked internet connections though is you'll have a consistent outbound IP, but on the downside you'll suffer additional latency

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Both my links generally have either 0% or 100% packet loss, and the 100% packet loss duration is usually quite long enough as to effectively be an outage, but those are uncommon.

qasdfdsaq

It's not the packet loss that's the problem, it's jitter. Mobile networks traditionally have huge jitter (compared to a point to point ethernet link). TCP/IP is really really bad at handling out-of-order packet delivery.

Bob

@allquixotic And have perfect(ly bad) timing :P

qasdfdsaq

5:42 PM

You can a) Have your VPN layer explicitly re-order data using it's own addidtional buffering , which is an even bigger latency penalty, or b) Deliver packets as they arrive over either connection, and pray your application doesn't behave like a rabid donkey when that happens

(Although to be fair, LTE or any consumer radio access layer tends to have fairly high base latency anyway, so an extra 10-20ms on average might not hurt too bad

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Well, speedify does ultimately give me the throughput I want (if one link can produce ~12 Mbps alone and the other can produce ~5 Mbps, I'll get right around 16-17 Mbps) but the only problem is it's not encrypted

I only need it for big downloads. For gaming I'll just turn it off because even 2 Mbps is more than sufficient for most games

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Well as a quick and simple hack you could just give speedify two ready-made OpenVPN TAP interfaces.

allquixotic

Even the most heavily congested times of the day, I never notice throughput being a problem for me in games

qasdfdsaq

It's quite possible Speedify does its own packet reordering

If I were building a commercial product, I would

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Two? I can't even get it to work with one. I tried starting Speedify first then OpenVPN, and I also tried starting OpenVPN first, then Speedify. In either case, either Speedify won't connect, or it'll connect but the OpenVPN TAP adapter won't connect to Speedify.

It modifies the default route or something.

qasdfdsaq

5:46 PM

Oh. Lulz.

There goes that idea

I suppose it's like double-NAT on steroids

OpenVPN modifies the default route, then Speedify tries modifying the default route... again

allquixotic

I could probably do triple NAT (ugh) and statically layer 3 route the OpenVPN connection through a NAT gateway on another box... and just do that for the unencrypted WiFi hotspot

Bob

The natural extension is to run Speedify in a VM :D

allquixotic

I don't need the USB -> iPhone VPN'ed anyway

hmm, this sounds like a job for my NUC

qasdfdsaq

You could remove the push routes from OpenVPN and manually override the routing

allquixotic

LTE -> Karma hotspot -> 802.11n to NUC -> OpenVPN to dedi -> NAT -> ethernet to desktop -> Speedify. LTE -> iPhone -> USB to desktop -> Speedify.

qasdfdsaq

5:50 PM

I'd be curious to see your routing table before and after connecting to speedify.

Bob

@allquixotic Oh, you're keeping the Karma thing?

allquixotic

How would I display my routing table on Windows? Microsoft-SteveBallmer-Windows-Get-Routing-Table-By-Name("The Default, Stupid!") | Format-The-Info-Nicely?

qasdfdsaq

Start => Run => Cmd => route print

allquixotic

@Bob That question becomes moot if I'm not, so yeah, keeping the Karma is contingent upon getting this solution set up satisfactorily

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic So your real concern is the karma hotspot's unencrypted wifi, and the iPhone link doesn't matter?

allquixotic

5:52 PM

@qasdfdsaq Right. In fact, I'll get better throughput and slightly lower average latency if I don't run the iPhone link through a VPN.

qasdfdsaq

Well why didn't you say so! /xy problem

@allquixotic Then this would work just fine

allquixotic

I'll have to test it. I'll self-answer if it works :P

qasdfdsaq

It does work

It WILL work

As long as you don't do it wrong.

But depending on the latency difference, out-of-order packet delivery may still spoil your fun

Huh I never knew you could swipe up an application in your taskbar to get the right click menu

But you can't swipe down... or anywhere... to close it again

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq You know what would save me even more latency, though? If my encryption and my channel bonding were happening at the same place

Unless I park a server in the same DC as Speedify's server, it's going to add a lot of latency to go VPN on my box -> Speedify -> Internet.

Holy balls, Speedify just launched an iOS app!

Let's see if that works with tethering :O

qasdfdsaq

6:44 PM

@allquixotic I have coconut soap

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq I'm receiving a fax from Darth Vader.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic The latency on that must be HUGE since we don't have FTL communications yet

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Funny thing: since light (and information) only travels so fast, it's equally valid to say that receiving a fax at the speed of light means the fax is happening "now" -- so even if, from the Star Wars galaxy's frame of reference, their galaxy died out millions of years ago, from our frame of reference it's happening now

qasdfdsaq

I don't believe in frames of reference. The universe is flat.

allquixotic

From my frame of reference, the universe is spherical! ;)

DavidPostill

6:52 PM

blogs.scientificamerican.com/degrees-of-freedom/…

The 2nd link is "What Do You Mean, the Universe Is Flat? Part II: In Which We Actually Answer the Question"

qasdfdsaq

According to Science™, it's flat

DavidPostill

Arguments have been put forward that the observational data best fit with the conclusion that the shape of the global universe is infinite and flat, but the data are also consistent with other possible shapes, such as the so-called Poincaré dodecahedral space and the Picard horn.

qasdfdsaq

And since I don't believe in frames of reference, I hereby disregard yours

DavidPostill

I don't understand any of this :/

I suppose you need at least a PhD in Physics

and/or AstroPhysics

qasdfdsaq

It's fairly simple tbh

Although picard horns are... bleh. Hard to picture

Most people have trouble picturing four (or higher) dimensional geometries though, cause our brains and educations have only ever developed to do 3

DavidPostill

7:00 PM

Well my degree is in Chemical Engineering. I understand Chemistry but not advanced Physics.

abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/cosmo/lectures/lec15.html (Geometry of the Universe) has some nice pictures ;)

The three primary methods to measure curvature are luminosity, scale length and number. Luminosity requires an observer to find some standard `candle', such as the brightest quasars, and follow them out to high redshifts. Scale length requires that some standard size be used, such as the size of the largest galaxies. Lastly, number counts are used where one counts the number of galaxies in a box as a function of distance.

To date all these methods have been inconclusive because the brightest, size and number of galaxies changes with time in a ways that we have not figured out. So far, the …

So the answer is they don't know yet and they are just guessing based on the available data which they don't understand properly.

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill Meh, I have a degree in Biology and understand it fairly well

Though to be fair this is more about Cosmology

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq I'm sure I could understand it if I could be bothered to actually read some if this stuff. To be honest I'm not really interested ... and have better things to do with my time.

I understand all of the stuff without the complex math in it ;)

qasdfdsaq

Oh yeah, like what?

TBH I probably spent more time reading about cosmology while doing my Biology degree than I spent actually doing my degree...

Similarly I find rocket science... is actually fairly simple

Rocket practice on the other hand, that's the hard part

DavidPostill

I'm more interested in programming, computers, operating systems, networking, philosophy and psychology than physics ;) (in no particular order).

qasdfdsaq

I hate computers

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Also claiming you know rocket science gets you laid more often than claiming you know computer science.

tereško

7:17 PM

jeez

I launched a game and the damned CPU cooler started a leaf-blower impression

is that normal and I have just been spoiled by an AIO, or might there be something wrong with the damned chip

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq lol. You are in the wrong job then ;)

qasdfdsaq

7:34 PM

the purpose of my job isnt to get laid

That's what the coconut soap is for

Dave

interesting do you get captcha when you type in bone marrow in a google search?

DavidPostill

@Dave No

!!no

Dave

odd I do

ChatBot John Cavil

Dave

Google thinks that i'm a bot.

Amazeballs

Hennes

7:43 PM

Sorry Dave, I can not let you do that.

Hennes

8:06 PM

@DavidPostill I just realised what would happen if I stated that 'the universes is flat' in my regular dinner group.

They would reply that

The universe is round, like a pancake

Mokubai

@Dave Or Google thinks you might be harvesting people and wants a second opinion on your IP for the geolocator to work with. Police will be with you shortly.

Dave

lol

Hennes

I guess that depends on the people harvested.

Political spectrum, colour etc etc.

Afterall, it is a sad sad world

Oops. it was sick sad world.

Dave

8:21 PM

I wonder if its related to that distinct stench that I smelt after I exited my car the other day ... I thought I possibly passed gas. Then again, couldnt remember if I farted or not due to my short term memory.

Hennes

8:38 PM

We have rather a lot of tags here.

IS there an easy way to filter just on those with no description ?

I thought I had it when filtering on name, but e.g. the two 32 bit tags are synomyms