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7:12 PM

github.com/munificent/vigil/issues/24

What I don't even

7:24 PM

Hi everyone. I have a question that is actually more related to StackOverflow (and other serious Q&As) but I know you guys now, so I'll ask here. I sometimes find an old question that has only one answer that isn't really the full answer. Even if I post the correct answer myself, no-one is ever going to see it and upvote it, and the OP is certainly never going to change the check mark. Does Stack Exchange have some way of addressing this, or is my answer basically pointless?

@Timwi It's not pointless because people who stumble upon the question will find your more helpful answer. Answering does push a question to the top of the site activity list so it may gain a bit more attention but in general answering old questions won't really get you a whole lot of votes.

Stack Exchange never automatically changes which is the accepted answer because ultimately it's whatever the OP felt was most useful.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ to all that

Martin Büttner

I hope everyone's enjoying their "Everybody! Gets! A Hat!" ;)

@Timwi I just answered an old question the other day. It can take forever for it to overtake the accepted answer, and often the OP no longer cares and won't change the accepted answer, but I'd like to think I'm still making the internet a better place, because someone else find that question via google just like I did. ;)

@MartinBüttner As much as it would amuse me to see my little bird with that goofy hair, I wouldn't dream of taking off my gold badge hat. :D

Also: Where is your hat, young man?!?!

Martin Büttner

I don't have any that I actually like yet :/

7:30 PM

Yeah, the designs aren't particularly thrilling this year. I liked last year's better.

PlatyPar's stack visualizer is now live! Click cancel at the end of the program and check your console to see every transformation that happened to the stack!

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. well, A New Hope isn't too far away

Thanks for your replies. Shame the answer isn't "post in the chat about it and ask for upvotes" :-)

@Timwi In my experience that works as well, especially if you don't explicitly ask for upvotes. ;)

What's the SO chat like? I've never been there. And you guys know I'm not a very chatty person online...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:32 PM

@Timwi don't go there

people from here have never returned

they began doing... shudders useful programming

;)

They have fewer trolls, that's for sure.

Um, that implies it's a better place for them :-)

The rooms have topics. And people talk about those topics.

It's chaos.

Is there any way to do the "mark as reply" thing here on a mobile? I can't see any UI for it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Program length is 14 characters.
95^14=5646733123551136024526585856 possibilities.
Estimated time: 653557074485085184 days, 10 hours
Brute-forcing seed...

@Timwi the mobile UI sucks

7:35 PM

@Timwi What mobile interface are you using? The third party Android app, the mobile site, or the full site but on mobile?

You guys seem to be incredibly critical of this chat UI... Personally I find it better than any other HTML chat I've ever seen (not that I've seen many)

Mobile site, I'm guessing

Martin Büttner

@Timwi I've only been to the regex room, I think. it's rather quiet, but you get an answer from some really competent people if you want to discuss something.

other than that, I have no clue what the general SO chat is like. since tag-specific rooms are for them what site-specific rooms are for the rest of the network, it's a bit different, I think.

@Timwi I very rarely chat on mobile but when I do, I don't think it's so bad. Not as nice as the full site chat though.

Has anyone congratulated @Martin yet on reaching 70k rep?

Martin Büttner

I don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

that backslash gets me every single time...

Congratulations to @MartinBüttner for reaching 70,000 green internet points!

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^ now someone has

7:43 PM

@Timwi If you're on Android, try the ChatSEy app. Has replies and everything.

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. thanks :P

@Dennis One of these days I'll try porting that to iOS, but if I wanted to actually distribute it, I'd have to pay Apple $100/year for a developer license...

Want to improve the iOS experience? Give us money!

Sounds legit...

I suppose you only need the developer license if you want to distribute your app on the Apple App Store. The problem is then that I don't know how to distribute or install apps from anywhere but the App Store...

IIRC you can't install from anywhere but the App Store unless your phone is "jail broken," which means it's running a hacked version of iOS.

Would puzzling.se be a good place to ask about solving a wooden interlocking puzzle? :)

7:48 PM

@Doorknob冰 You are needed for a question about your other site.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@PhiNotPi Yup! I once abode there.

(abode isn't a verb)

("abided" is the correct past tense form of "abide," if that's what you were after)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Any suggestions on how I can represent base 64 numbers? Using capital and lowercase letters as well as digits only gets me to 62

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

autocorrect said it wasn't a verb

@Cyoce use spaces and exclamation points

7:51 PM

Any reason why those in particular?

Because I have a wooden puzzle, which I have never been able to solve. Right now I'm diagramming its internals.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

spaces: because it's readable. !s: because it looks more obsfucated

Or I could use all the printable ascii characters and make base 94...

Why on earth did my phone just autocorrect I'm to I'mean?

It knows you better than you know yourself

7:52 PM

All your base 94 are belong to you

@AlexA. Because no one else wants it.

Truth

-3

Q: A mazing result

Write a program to generate a maze, and then to traverse that maze. Example maze: #######e############ # # # # # # # # # # ##############E##### Example output: #######e############ #######|############ #####...

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Q: The MIT License – Clarity on Using Stack Overflow Code

CC-BY-SA is an ideal license for a crowdsourced knowledge base. We’ve benefited immensely from it, our community has gained protection through it, and we look forward to CC-BY-SA continuing to cover prose contributions to Stack Overflow for all of eternity. But code is a bit different (pun inte...

discussion featured creative-commons license

:O

TL;DR: Going forward, all code posted to all Stack Exchange sites will be licensed under MIT rather than CC-BY-SA beginning 1 January 2016.

The overlords have spoken.

As long as it's not LGPL...

8:03 PM

Note that the license change does not apply to code posted prior to 1 Jan; that will continue to be licensed under CC-BY-SA.

And all non-code content will still be CC-BY-SA after the change.

I can't think of any time where I've wanted to copy the code verbatim from SO.

But surely there are plenty of times where you copied some code, rearranging it to fit your specific needs, renaming variables to match your specific context, etc.

Copying and making small changes is still copying

Funny story - I copied some code from MSDN a few months ago, and it failed code review for being poorly documented.

Awesome

Martin Büttner

@Rainbolt is it colder this year that you've turned from snowy soil to solid ice? ;)

Rainbolt is cold as ice.

8:09 PM

I'm willing to sacrifice

Not fair that mods can edit their messages from more than two minutes ago (I saw that Alex)

>_>

@MartinBüttner It's not unusually cold, but all of the snow covered dirt pictures I found lacked perspective

You know what I'm talking about? The thing that makes it look 3D?

@Cyoce The official base64 MIME encoding uses + and /, but personally I think those were really bad choices. If you want to include a base64 string in a URL, + and / are exactly those to avoid. Perhaps better use - and _ or something

@Dennis Thanks, I’ll try that

What's wrong with +?

Dance of the sugarplum fairy on a star wars piano? check

8:14 PM

It is customary in URLs to use + as an escaped space, therefore most HTTP implementations (Apache, PHP, whatever) turn the + into a space

And HTTP clients (browsers) use the + to escape spaces in form data

@El'endiaStarman and @Mego joined at the exact same time. Sock confirmed

@PhiNotPi sure! Just make sure you include all the details.

Anonymous

@quartata I wish I was as math-smart as him

@AlexA. \o/

@Doorknob冰 I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Stack Overflow's licensing change.

8:25 PM

Yay hats

Anonymous

@Dennis uwotm8

Anonymous

@AlexA. Since you didn't ask, I think there are solid arguments for and against it, that have been noted on the Meta discussion. I need more time to mull it over, but the one thing I strongly agree with is that 2 weeks is not enough time for the community to discuss.

Anonymous

Also that code-vs-not-code is a very ambiguous division

@Mego this

Anonymous

Everything should be under one license, so that we don't have to go into pedantic discussions over what constitutes code

8:30 PM

@Doorknob冰 nevermind, I solved it

@Mego Huh?

But if one thing is clear, it's that everyone involved in this discussion loves pedantic discussions.

We should aim to maximize pedantic discussions.

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El'endia Starman

@quartata ಠ_ಠ

I just needed to apply some extra force.

@Doorknob冰 What is this strange glitchy looking character at the end of your name? (And why did you put it there??)

Anonymous

8:31 PM

@flawr It's Chinese for ice

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm gone for ten minutes and and the chatroom explodes. o_o

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's because I showed up

Anonymous

I wonder how hard it would be to copyright the name Seriously

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Oh, yeah, everything was fine until the penguin showed up :P

@Mego DoorknobIce?

8:33 PM

@flawr It's a snowflake looking thingy

@AlexA. YAY MIT! \o/

Don't worry. While you were gone, we captured the important message about Brainfuck being disallowed in question titles, and we let the unimportant news about Stack Exchange licensing changing go away.

@Doorknob冰 Ok, some fantasy required.

Yay, my first "Nice Answer" badge.

Thank you Doorknob Snowflake thingy — Non-Master Race Dec 3 '14 at 1:11

❄

Anonymous

8:34 PM

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Q: Russian Roulette, Revisited

Let's play Russian Roulette! Normally, this would be a race to write the shortest MOD 6 program, but that's not very realistic, as the chance of winning decreases with each click. Here are the rules: Emulate a real six-shooter: A single bullet is placed into one of the six chambers, and the...

code-golf game random

Anonymous

I'm about to slide into the lead here

Why not American Roulette???

Because that's not what it's called.

It was probably invented by Americans who racistly called it Russian.

American Roulette

American Roulette ist ein Glücksspiel, das in Casinos gespielt wird. Dabei handelt es sich um eine vereinfachte Variante des französischen Roulettes, die einen rascheren Spielablauf gewährleistet. Es werden nur zwei Croupiers benötigt, während es beim französischen drei bis vier sind. == Spielvarianten == === Originales American Roulette === Der Spieltisch des American Roulette setzt sich, ähnlich dem Tisch des französischen Roulettes, aus mehreren Komponenten zusammen. Zum einen aus dem Roulettezylinder, dem sog. Kessel mit 38 gleich großen Zahlenfächern (0, 00, 1–36), sowie aus dem direkt neben…

@flawr ... en.wikipedia pls :P

8:37 PM

There is no article on en.wikipedia

Oh really?

El'endia Starman

Russian roulette

Russian roulette is a lethal game of chance in which a player places a single round in a revolver, spins the cylinder, places the muzzle against their head, and pulls the trigger. "Russian" refers to the supposed country of origin, and roulette to the element of risk-taking and the spinning of the revolver's cylinder being reminiscent of spinning a roulette wheel. Because only one chamber is loaded, the player has a one in x chance of hitting the loaded chamber, where x is the number of chambers in the cylinder. So, for instance, for a revolver that holds six rounds, the chance is one in six. That...

> American Roulette is a game of chance that in casinos is played. This is a simplified version of the French Roulette, which ensures a faster gameplay. There are only two croupiers needed while there are the French three to four.

El'endia Starman

> In writing, the term "Russian roulette" was first used in an eponymous 1937 short story by Georges Surdez:

> 'Did you ever hear of Russian Roulette?' ... With the Russian army in Romania, around 1917, some officer would suddenly pull out his revolver, remove a cartridge from the cylinder, spin the cylinder, snap it back in place, put it to his head and pull the trigger.[1]

I didn't even know that Russian Roulette was supposed to be played by pointing the gun at your own head.

8:38 PM

Really?

It is

I always though you pointed it at others

It's a high stakes game... The highest of stakes.

Anonymous

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A: Russian Roulette, Revisited

Seriously, 25 bytes 6JW"*click*".,XDW"*BANG!* No online link because there is no way to do a prompt with piped input. Explanation: 6JW"*click*".,XDW"*BANG!* 6J push a random integer in [0,6) W W while loop: "*click*". output "*...

Anonymous

Boom, baby

8:39 PM

And I thought you only had one cardridge in the drum, instead of having n-1

@Rainbolt No because you lose if you shoot yourself

@flawr Typically yeah

I thought you lost if you got shot by whoever was holding the gun, but Wikipedia corrected me

@AlexA. Who says that it would be a loss?

If I was shot in the head, I would probably say that I lost the game.

Regardless of what the game is.

I guess my reasoning was that nobody would ever play the game if you had to point it at yourself

8:40 PM

@AlexA. if I got shot in the head, I would die

So I wouldn't be able to say that I lost, would I?

@AlexA. I do not agree completely, imagine being stuck in a sinking submarine with four other people, and only having 2 cardridges=)

That, and in movies there's always a third party holding the gun

@Doorknob冰 Not necessarily. Depends on where in the head.

Anonymous

@flawr The way I heard it originally is that you had a group of people in a circle, starting with 1/6 chambers full. They'd pull their triggers all at once. Then, if more than one survived, the survivors would add another bullet to their chambers and spin again. When one person is left, they win and get the belongings of the others. If nobody is left, nobody wins.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob冰 I lost the game :(

8:41 PM

@AlexA. I would probably be too busy getting shot in the head to care about whether I lost, in that case

@flawr You put your heads together to see how many people the bullet will pass through at once.

@AlexA. I dunno, SPOILERS it worked out OK for the Narrator in the movie Fight Club

@TimmyD I know

@Doorknob冰 To each his own :P

Anonymous

If I were shot in the head, I wouldn't be thinking "oh bugger I lost". My thoughts would be more along the lines of "OWWWWWstatic"

gets shot in the head "Darn."

8:42 PM

@AlexA. How do you decide the order of the heads? Clearly the guy on the far end gets the best deal

@Rainbolt no

@Rainbolt *worst

^

Since it's random placement, they're all equal

Far end being farthest from the gun

Anonymous

8:43 PM

@Rainbolt With another game of chance, like Russian Roulette.

@Rainbolt Still equally likely

@Rainbolt Did you read the line about the sinking submarine?

In the case we're talking about, you want to shoot yourself, otherwise you drown in a submarine.

So you get the best deal closest to the gun.

I'd rather drown

Really???

8:43 PM

I want to go quickly. I don't want to drown.

I almost drown in a swimming pool once when I was young.

I don’t want to go at all

Oh

Yeah

That

@Timwi Live forever?

I used to be afraid of drowning. It seemed like a crappy way to die. Then I swam 75 yards underwater in one breath, and passed out while lifting myself up to the edge of the pool. It was peaceful.

I imagine that as being quite tiring.

8:44 PM

> Who wants to live forever? - Queen, 1986

Anonymous

Drowning causes death by hypoxia. One of the symptoms of hypoxia is calmness and a sense of relief.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TimmyD Not me.

@Rainbolt But panicking and getting water in your lung is quite painful. (Which is probably what I would be doing.)

Please, anyone who wants to die, go right ahead, I’m not stopping you... I’m only speaking for myself

Well this is a fun conversation.

8:45 PM

o.o

Anonymous

Let's talk about something more pleasant

See how long you have to wait until you get to the singular day on which you say to yourself, “Right, I’ve had a good life, now it’s getting tiring, so... time to end it now”

Anonymous

Like SO licensing terms

Oh OK

Haha :)

starts working on golfing tacos down more

8:46 PM

@Doorknob冰 YOU DID TACOS

yes

I read that as "engulfing more tacos" at first

Did you not get a notification

Tacoknob

I pinged you in chat too

8:46 PM

Poor tacos, they are meant to be eaten.

Anonymous

@Rainbolt me_irl

If I post code for committing suicide on SO and someone kills themself with it without attribution, is it still possible for me to sue them?

@Doorknob冰 I got both, I was just reminding you of my excitement.

oh :P

@feersum Can you sue someone inexistent?

8:47 PM

nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/small-claims-book/…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

35

Q: Create output twice the length of the code

The Challenge Write a complete program that writes twice as many bytes to standard output as the length of the program. Rules The program must write ASCII characters to the standard output. The contents of the output doesn't matter. The output, measured in bytes, must be exactly twice the le...

You can sue someone's estate in some cases.

> yolo.com

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

can we read the source code? ^^^

@murica.

8:48 PM

I'm new here. Is there a ritual I need to go through or something? Walk on hot virtual coals to prove my virtual manhood?

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Yes. De facto.

@Hurricane996 Yes, and do it in the fewest bytes possible

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Hurricane996 You need to first outgolf Dennis. Only then are you worthy.

If we required people to prove their manhood, no women would participate.

Also, you just have to conduct an ancient ritual involving blood and sacrifice, but it's no big deal

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8:49 PM

@Hurricane996 No, you only have to golf code

Some say, there has been someone who actually did outgolf Dennis once.

But he hasn't been seen ever since.

It was Peter and he was in here the other day. :P

Remember that Peter died.

Anonymous

StackSort connects to StackOverflow, searches for 'sort a list', and downloads and runs code snippets until the list is sorted.

@flawr Well of course not, that's because the Stig keeps his helmet on.

8:50 PM

Peter posthumously visited The Nineteenth Byte.

"Virtual ow"

Stuck-12 bytes

@Everyone: Who of you is dead? Hands up!

@Mego Well this is apropos of nothing.

@flawr me

I'm dead inside. Does that count?

Anonymous

8:51 PM

@feersum I interpreted "suicide" as "computer suicide". See PanicSort.

@Doorknob冰 Did you ever live in the first place?

Anonymous

@flawr I was never alive

@flawr nope

PHP: die()

Anonymous

Damn ninjos

8:51 PM

Ninjaritos

> posthumorously

New from Chipotle-San

I'm a block of ice with a jelly donut on my head. Definitely not alive.

El'endia Starman

> I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live,

> //Portability

8:52 PM

@Dennis Makes sense because it was funny and it isn't anymore. :P

I'm a quilt square with a fancy hat. I don't know what life is.

@El'endiaStarman So what you're saying is that you're a zombie?

> but Christ lives in me

All people who are dead but in chat are zombies.

And now I'm scared.

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. ....mmmaaayyybeee...

8:53 PM

Braaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiins.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman *maybrainz

I could beat Dennis with esolangs.org/wiki/DUCK

@AlexA. Zombie socks?

@Timwi Vegetarian zombie: Graaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiins.

Do zombies use socks?

8:54 PM

Staaaaaaaaaaaars.

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Ask and ye shall receive

Anonymous

@Timwi Oh darn, we'll go hungry

@AlexA. So, can I get some stars too?

American Zombies Haaaaaaaaaamburgeeeeeeeeeeeers

@Mego Ralph

@flawr status-declined

8:55 PM

@Hurricane996 "American Zombies" sounds like some new show on the Discovery channel.

@AlexA. Liar.

@Hurricane996 You can try. I remember deleting one of those not long ago.

Anyone know if there's a way to pin a tab in Chromium without hiding the title?

> BrainDuck

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob冰 Not that I know of.

Anonymous

8:56 PM

@Doorknob冰 Push a pin through your monitor

@Doorknob冰 Pretty sure you can't do that.

@Mego brb, trying this

Anonymous

New hat :)

@Mego ok it didn't work and now I have more problems

:P

Anonymous

@Doorknob冰 Try regex

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8:58 PM

Or jQuery.

Use 1337 h4x04 skillz

@Doorknob冰 Why do you want to do this? I mean, I usually pin tabs so they take up less space...

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