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Interesting. I might need this one day.
Brian, I fear this is a "smoke and mirrors" answer that is in fact a non-answer. If you think I'm wrong about that, please could you restate it in simple English. — John Duffield 6 hours ago
@JohnDuffield You want me to restate it in terms that you understand?
So you're admitting to not understanding the basic mathematics of spacetime?
 
This John Duffield is an interesting character - definitely very passionate, I can not judge on his accuracy (not my research field)
 
@Ghost Not great.
 
I kinda want to make a meta post on the topic
 
He tends to cling onto 100 year old quotes and refuses to believe that gasp Einstein said something wrong.
 
7:04 PM
But I suspect it would not go great
 
@Slereah You'd get banned.
 
I guess I could, but I'd have to do it in an oblique way
 
you broke TeX
 
Express concerns about the current system for filtering poor quality answers etc
Did I break it or make it better
Because fingerpointing is verbotten
 
It's an animal orgy now
only one t in verboten
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Q: Why does the non-linearity of the string action prohibit stretching due to strong excitations?

0celo7From 't Hooft's String Theory lecture notes on page 8 (paraphrased): To understand hadronic particles as excited states of strings, we have to study the dynamical properties of these strings, and then quantize the theory. At first sight, this seems to be straightforward. We have a string with...

@Slereah Did you ever see this?
 
7:09 PM
I don't know strings man
 
see his answer.
 
It is quite amusing to see him answer a string theory question with a clothe line
 
> Grip your washing line with a pair of pliers, twist it anticlockwise, then let go: antineutrino!
 
Almost endearing
 
Huy
it is almost the same, no?
 
7:11 PM
@0celo7 Unexplained downvotes happen, don't worry about it
 
@ACuriousMind As someone who answers sparingly, I do worry. Especially because it was an upvote and when I refreshed it turned into a downvote.
 
@ACuriousMind back from shopping already?!
 
@Ghost Yeah, I take longer potty breaks...
 
@Ghost Yep, the supermarket is like three minutes away
 
@ACuriousMind sam here - it is always great to have a shop very close
 
7:13 PM
People!
Did Einstein misspeak here?
Empty space can be homogeneous and isotropic.
Empty spacetime that is those two things is just Minkowski.
 
@0celo7 He also calls the metric "gravitational potentials". We just don't look like that at GR anymore
 
It's a paper from 1920
a tad old
 
@ACuriousMind I'm the one who has 7 GR books :P
 
Huy
I have 0
you can give me one
 
I have 2 Weinbergs.
 
Huy
7:17 PM
I have 0
you can give me one
 
I dunno what to do with one of them.
You would not like it.
 
Huy
I have 0
 
Hm
 
Huy
you can give me one
 
How many GR books do I have
 
Huy
7:17 PM
maybe my girlfriend does
 
(7 is a guess)
 
Do I count quantum gravity books
 
@Huy same
 
Zee, Straumann, Wald, Hawking-Ellis, Weinberg
 
Huy
I only know Carroll and Wald
never read Wald though
 
7:18 PM
7 GR books if I count them pretty restricted
15 if I'm a bit more loose
 
Huy
send me some books @0celo7
 
I really don't get his answers
 
Whose answers
 
obe
@Slereah lol ikr
 
@JohnDuffield you keep linking to pages/pictures that don't have anything to do with what you said :\
 
7:24 PM
Don't say his name!
 
hello @bolbteppa!
 
He who must not be named
 
I'm sorry I just find it fascinating how it all makes no sense :'(
 
If you hang around physics communities you will see a bunch
It loses its novelty after a while
 
@Ghost Bonjour
 
7:26 PM
@bolbteppa ca va?
 
This is a bit different since he's linking to books like MTW and trying to read Einstein's papers, shame he can't even read a basic graph
 
Cranks come in all varieties
Some actual physicists can be cranks too!
Isn't that right Ronald Mallett
 
hello @JohnDuffield!
 
haha
 
@0celo7 : no, I want you to restate it in terms you understand. The "proof" you've copied from Wald is just mathematical handwaving.
 
7:29 PM
"proof"?
 
visualises a mathematical handwave... a sine wave?
 
Using mathematics to prove something is pretty much the exact opposite of handwaving.
 
obe
word.
 
what exactly is a mathematical handwave?
 
@ACuriousMind : not when the "proof" relies upon a definition. See this: Definition 2. A spacetime is said to be isotropic if at each point there is a congruence of timelike curves. It's curved because... it's curved!
 
7:32 PM
$f(x) = \handwave(x)$
 
@Ghost : hi Ghost. Wooooo!
 
@JohnDuffield boo!
 
$🙋(x)$
 
did I scare you?
 
I don't think @Slereah will ever write a normal equation again
 
7:34 PM
how can I see these equations in their non-latex form?
 
@0celo7: note your confusion between space and spacetime. Pay careful attention now: "The FLRW metric starts with the assumption of homogeneity and isotropy of space". This confusion is endemic, and fatal.
 
fatal confusion from a reference... paper cuts?
 
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A: Should chat have TeX support?

robjohnI will leave the original post for historical reference, but as mentioned in the Update below, all four bookmarks are located on this installation page. There are four bookmarks: start ChatJax installs MathJax and starts a loop that renders $\LaTeX$ as needed. This is intended for use in chat, ...

 
@0celo7: now repeat after me: spacetime is not space. Curved spacetime = inhomogeneous space. The space in the room you're in is inhomogeneous, not curved. When you plot this inhomogeneity, it's curved. And your pencil falls down. That space is not isotropic!
 
7:37 PM
ah that is much better, thank you @ACuriousMind
@JohnDuffield that comes across as a tad condescending
 
especially when you are wrong.
 
@Ghost : sorry, but I've said this umpteen times, and the guy keeps dismissing Einstein.
@Ghost: I'm not wrong, and neither was Einstein:
 
@Slereah never seen that one, it's one of the best!
 
@JohnDuffield I can not judge on that - outside of my field of research
 
@JohnDuffield spacetime is not space
finally something we agree on!
 
7:40 PM
People, you are engaging him again. Stop that.
 
@JohnDuffield What the fuck does that even mean? I didn't copy it, I wrote it in my own words, I understand the proof.
 
When space is neither homogeneous nor isotropic, what you've got is a gravitational field. Curved spacetime. When space is homogeneous and isotropic, what you've got is no gravitational field. Flat spacetime.
 
@ACuriousMind I never proposed...lol
 
@Slereah Just...where do you get this stuff
 
@ACuriousMind 4chan.
 
7:41 PM
various places
 
I think I have a crush on @Slereah.
He's like French me.
 
So, since you've repeatedly insinuated that he's continually high on drugs, you are also continually high on drugs?
 
@ACuriousMind High on life.
 
@0celo7 Is that a new designer drug?
 
@ACuriousMind heroine cocaine LSD weed crack meth math physics alcohol cocktail
also some PCP and Krokodil for spice
 
7:44 PM
@0celo7 : you can't explain it in plain English, and you don't even understand the difference between space and spacetime. The FLRW metric starts with the assumption of homogeneity and isotropy of space. And your definitions were a spacetime is said to be spatially homogeneous if and a spacetime is said to be isotropic if...
 
^high on life
 
@JohnDuffield Spacetime is spatially homogeneous if space is homogeneous, yes.
 
@0celo7 I hope there are no quadratic equations in there
@Slereah lol
 
@ACuriousMind why do you torment me ;_;
 
@0celo7 Because I enjoy it :)
 
7:46 PM
In any case, I think Mr. Duffield is confused.
He keep screaming "spacetime is not space"
Dunno why, I haven't claimed it is.
 
@0celo7 : I'm not confused, you are. Now go and read what Einstein said. When space is homogeneous, there is no gravitational field. So spacetime is flat. As in not curved. Your definition says spacetime is flat and yet... it's curved!
 
Mods...
Who got flagged?
 
THE FUZZ
 
user41796
@Slereah :-)
 
Lol
 
user41796
7:48 PM
@0celo7 Could tell you but then you'd have to be kicked, amirite? :-D
 
@ACuriousMind You...you're $\mathfrak{The\,\, Astronomer}$. From now on I shall refer to you as $\mathcal{JUDAS}$.
 
@0celo7 Huh?
I can't star my own stuff, can I?
 
You also can't vote for your own answers
I tried!
 
@0celo7 : you confused spacetime with space, like Sleareah does, and others, including Wheeler. Einstein never did. The FLRW metric talks about space, not spacetime. Einstein said a gravitational field was a place where space was neither homogeneous nor isotropic. This is modelled as curved spacetime. So when space is homogeneous and isotopic, there is no spacetime curvature.
Why do you think WMAP evidence indicates the universe is flat? Why do you think the universe did not collapse due to gravity when it was small and dense?
 
are you still going on about this?
 
7:54 PM
@0celo7: OK, I have to go. Do your own research and think for yourself.
 
that's funny
 
@Ghost For a few months now. It's always the same.
 
@ACuriousMind ah, now I understand your strong suggestion before to not engage
 
And it will go on until the mods finally intervene :V
 
user41796
Or flags get cleared
 
7:57 PM
@ACuriousMind Multiple accounts.
@GlenH7 What flags?
I think we were civil this time.
 
or the universe collapses
 
@0celo7 Careful, accusations of sockpuppetry are...not well-received by mods, even in jest
 
@JohnDuffield You can say that as many times as you want. It doesn't make it true.
 
user41796
@0celo7 There was a flag raised in the room, yes. I don't think I'm at liberty to say on what though
 
@ACuriousMind Hmm
For the record: ACM is not a sock puppet
He might be a marionette...
 
7:59 PM
He is a puppet, though
 
@ACuriousMind You're not a GR person so you have no dog in this fight. Where did I confuse space and spacetime?
 
My nose doesn't grow when I lie, though
 
@ACuriousMind Pinocchio 2.0, fixed that bug.
 
Is he saying that the homogeneity assumption in the FRW metric is wrong because homogeneity = flat space?
 
Not sure if the ladies liked that.
 
8:01 PM
Even if you have a maximally symmetric spacetime that doesn't even guarantee flat space
 
@Slereah Didn't you ask a question on that?
 
No
 
No, he asked for the submaximal number of symmetries
 
@ACuriousMind Please answer my space vs. spacetime question.
In all honesty, did I confuse the two?
 
@JohnDuffield Are you saying that the homogeneity assumption in the FRW metric is wrong because homogeneity = flat space?
 
8:08 PM
update for ya'll: Successfully arranged a date for tomorrow with her :D
 
@0celo7 No. You worry too much. He's hung up on the fact that you are talking about homogeneous and isotropic spacetimes in your definitions when honogeneity and isotropy are merely properties of the spatial part, but since your definitions reflect that, it's just a matter of taste if you call the spatial part or the spacetime homogeneous/isotropic.
 
@ACuriousMind What's so hard to understand about spatially homogeneous
The space part of spacetime has a certain property
 
@0celo7 Nothing, that's why I say you worry too much.
@AngusTheMan ::cheers::
 
@ACuriousMind tbh after seeing that video and now I know he's not some cave dweller...changes things
I don't think he's a troll, I think he's confused.
 
that is the case of a lot of cranks
 
8:11 PM
@0celo7 Most people peddling non-mainstream physics aren't trolls, but confused.
 
They just have this notion of being right that cannot be disturbed
 
@AngusTheMan don't become the second Danu
 
why what happened to him?
 
@AngusTheMan Nothing
 
@ACuriousMind I think my dad is hooked on xkcd, et al. :D
 
8:14 PM
@0celo7 Hehehe
@AngusTheMan He's just the other guy who keeps us updated on his love life in here :P
 
well my lovelife is currently non existent
 
@0celo7 The short answer is that only members of the team with database access to learn that.
I should also not that what you have a not certainty but a strong social presumption.
 
ah guys this is different ... she is "THE ONE" ;)
(based on a small sample size)
 
@Ghost I thought the afterlife is full of willing specters who died too young ;)
 
In any case the application of up or down votes is more or less plenary. If Joe Q. Normal wants to downvote that post and has the downvote privilege then they get to.
 
8:16 PM
@ACuriousMind much less than one would expect!
 
Damn.
 
@dmckee Sorry, what?
Strong presumption? I'd put a great deal of money on it.
 
user41796
He's right though - votes are anonymous by design.
 
@dmckee Yes, but I want to know who disagreed with my post.
 
None the less unless he told you, you're only guessing on the basis of the observed behavior of other social apes.
 
8:18 PM
@ACuriousMind popularity contests still exist here in the afterlife... even reality TV - we have 'Big Zombie'; MasterGhost and Non-survivor
 
@dmckee True, but how is that relevant?
 
@0celo7 Voting is anonymous by design, you don't get around that.
 
user41796
@dmckee And even if a comment was left to the effect of "-1 simply because", you still don't know that it was that user that clicked the down arrow. I've seen many cases of a "-1" comment without any accompanying vote.
 
@0celo7 We try to discourage people from thinking that thye "know" who voted one way or another because it leans to unnecessary conflict. In any case, you won't be able to penetrate the anonymity unless the culp^H^H^H^Hvoter fesses up.
 
@Ghost But...haven't you all already won "Non-survivor"? :D
 
8:20 PM
> culp^H^H^H^Hvoter
What?
 
@GlenH7 could be one up vote and one down though
 
user41796
@AngusTheMan I can see vote splits on a number of sites.
 
@ACuriousMind competition is fierce
 
On certain old dumb terminal control-H (written ^H in the docs) was the delete-character command...
 
user41796
And on a low activity user, you can infer vote counts by looking at their reputation change.
 
8:21 PM
@dmckee Kids these days
3
They don't get it
 
@GlenH7 Hmm
@dmckee What?
@Slereah I guess!
 
user41796
I think dmckee's main point is to not make assumptions short of ironclad proof. Especially when there's already a measure of tension between two people. Those assumptions don't help resolve matters.
 
No clue what that crazy coot is talking about!
 
@0celo7 You're suppose to recognize the word I started to type and then reconsidered. It's a joke.
 
8:22 PM
It seems OSX starts getting really slow at the 10GB RAM usage mark.
 
user41796
@dmckee They should create a vt100 mode for chat next april fools
 
@dmckee The modern equivalent would be culp voter ;)
 
@GlenH7 I'd love that.
 
wtf is a culp?????
 
culprit
you nincompoop
 
8:23 PM
::facepalm::
 
@dmckee Did you see my handwriting above? imgur.com/gunJGPk
 
@ACuriousMind I know, but strike-throughs don't work in comments so I've gotten out of the habit of using them on Stack Exchange sites.
 
@dmckee Better or worse than your average student?
 
Better. And the page is well organized and the figure has just the right level of detail.
You're doomed to be a physicist, you poor bastard.
4
 
8:26 PM
what??
NEITHER OF MY MAJORS IS PHYSICS FOR THE LOVE OF CRAP
 
@dmckee quote of the day
 
@0celo7 Not yet.
 
@ACuriousMind Uh, I'm not switching.
 
user41796
@dmckee Worse. He could end up an engineer.
 
@0celo7 Yeeees. Take up you Lagrangian and strike back. Let your smarts control your answer and come to the physics side. You know you want to.
 
8:28 PM
"If you are a good economist, a virtuous economist, you are reborn as a physicist. But if you are an evil, wicked economist, you are reborn as a sociologist."
 
@Slereah "Virtuous economist"...those exist?
 
@dmckee wtf are you talking about
@ACuriousMind Please please please let's not do this
no RAPE in here please
Religon - Abortion - Politics - Economics
 
That from the guy who keeps posting stuff Trump says? I'm not convinced :P
 
disturbing
 
@ACuriousMind dude
that's different
 
8:30 PM
Can't stump the Trump
 
Can't arson the Carson
 
Can't flimflam the zimzam
 
Ted the Cruz Missle
 
what the...?
 
@Slereah I would do a Zyklon one but I'd get banned :(
 
8:38 PM
Dang it... I hate it when I try to inadvertently try to pass through a wall, but stub my toe instead
 
Can't corner the Dorner
 
This is one of the coolest stack exchange posts ever:
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Q: What does a blackbody sound like?

yuki96Update: According to this wikipedia article, blackbody radiation is just thermal noise (Johnson–Nyquist noise); if that's what I'm looking for, what does it sound like? If a blackbody has a temperature such that its peak frequency was well within our audible range, for example 1 KHz, what would ...

 
Hey @DanielSank
 
The process of theory -> curiosity -> experiment is just awesome.
@TanMath What's up?
 
@DanielSank nothing much.. I have paused my exciting transfer project and now coming back to it... I am also trying to learn FRET.. Do you know anything about it?
 
8:40 PM
@DanielSank hello! and I agree
 
@TanMath Never heard of FRET.
 
@TanMath I have never worried about it....
 
@Ghost And I never knew what black noise sounded like!
 
@DanielSank it is a great question indeed
 
@Ghost you know about FRET?
 
8:43 PM
@TanMath fraid not, was making a very bad pun
 
hello @Danu!
 
@Ghost hahaha
 
@Danu, experience black noise.
 
@DanielSank just read the answer - incredible!
 
8:47 PM
@DanielSank I prefer what I just posted :)
 
@Danu That was possibly one of the funniest and most offensive plays on words I've ever read in my entire life.
 
@DanielSank link
 
@DanielSank Shhhhh :)
 
@Ghost I know there's a link. That's the point.
@Danu That was intentional?
 
@DanielSank how is your research?
 
8:51 PM
@DanielSank SHHHHHHHH
 
LINK!
 
@Ghost I think you missed it
 
@TanMath It's good. Thanks for asking.
 
@Danu lol what
 
@0celo7 tahw lol
 
8:53 PM
@DanielSank wloh lat
 
@DanielSank What? @Danu You too? Strokes?
 
I need a coffee
 
@Ghost why are you telling us?
 
cause I can
 
@DanielSank I was pretty proud of that one---it was so subtle that I think it went under most people's radars :)
Get a factor $i$, but need a $-1$? Assume you were working in Euclidean signature 8)
 
8:57 PM
@Danu Well done, sir.
 
@DanielSank But nothing escapes the attention of my true Californ-I-A broski
 

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