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12:01 AM

who is youir owner

@RecycleBin Did you click on "ChatBot"? > "ChatBot operated by somequixotic / allquixotic"

oh

@qasdfdsaq Yes? I did. All I'm seeing is that they could not sustain max burst.

Granted -- they did not clock all the way back down to the specced base.

Under sustained load, all graphs there show ~1700-1900 MHz clocks.

However, max burst is 2600 MHz.

I'm sure, if you really wanted to sacrifice battery life/fan noise/bulkiness you could sustain even that. There's always tradeoffs.

12:26 AM

@qasdfdsaq When your "turbo" range is bigger than the 0-base range, it's easy to say "it stays in turbo".

Even then, when gaming (which I would not recommend with a low-power/passive-cooling device regardless) basically pins the CPU either very barely above base or dropping below base with the same example devices.

12:40 AM

is tv still banned in iceland

@RecycleBin That was in the 70s...

@Bob Read it carefully. One of them maintains max boost at all times.

I didn't ever say they always maintained max boost, I said they never throttle below base clock and still turbo under sustained indefinite load.

@Bob Now you're just trying to weasel out of this. We were talking about CPU performance vs. the Via and AMD, nothing to do with gaming.

You said, and I quote:

> But they simply cannot sustain high speeds at such a low TDP for extended periods.

The Anandtech tests show they can sustain maximum turbo in a passively cooled tablet indefinitely, as long as the OEM doesn't skimp on cooling.

It even still has 20'c of thermal headroom they didn't need. And that's in a passive tablet. They'd all have no problem sustaining full turbo in an actively cooled NUC.

1:03 AM

Come to think of it, how many of the other processors in the comparison are going to sustain max turbo *in an 11" tablet"?!

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@qasdfdsaq: actually "atom" NUCs are passive too

just have higher clock "celeron" atom cores, and bigger heatsinks.

donno what they're going to do with core M nucs but its plausible

1:51 AM

@qasdfdsaq Likewise, I just said they can't sustain burst.

@qasdfdsaq You're the one that brought a DOTA 2 measurement into this.

@qasdfdsaq Oh? Which one?

I'm going through the graphs. AFAICT none of them sustain >2000 MHz with the exception of the i5.

@qasdfdsaq ...as far as that, without hard data it's kinda hard to say. I made a pretty big assumption ("if they have a TDP around that of an Atom").

I didn't say that was the case. I'll say now that that's probably not the case.

@qasdfdsaq There are always situations where you can achieve max performance if you want. Those situations might even be common.

However, you're then operating above specified TDP.

You're operating above the manufacturer-recommended/required cooling specs.

More importantly, you end up playing with different efficiency (and power consumption) numbers than the spec sheet would suggest.

If you're getting more performance, but you spend more time at, say, 6 W power dissipation (or even 12 W at peak, reportedly) -- sure, your cooling solution might handle it but that doesn't automatically make you more efficient than a lower-power (both energy consumption and performance) chip.

On the other hand, you might be more efficient per watt but the lower-power chip will be more suitable to different conditions.

I don't know about you but I don't consider a (passively cooled or not) tablet at 70 degrees Celsius to be comfortable to hold or use.

If I threw more cooling at an Atom chip, I could probably overclock it significantly.

Probably not performance on par with a Core M, to be sure, (mostly due to architectural differences) but you'll see a significant boost.

There are two comparisons here: by specced TDP and by real-world performance in real devices.

I go by specced TDP because that's what the manufacturer recommends. That's what it's theoretically designed for. It's the easiest way to directly compare competing chips, if not necessarily the most accurate.

Real-world performance is more interesting when shopping for devices. You might also see what a chip is capable of at max when given all the resources it wants -- traditionally that's been the realm of overclockers.

> The processor TDP is the maximum sustained power that should be used for design of
the processor thermal solution. TDP is a power dissipation and junction temperature
operating condition limit, specified in this document, that is validated during
manufacturing for the base configuration when executing a near worst case
commercially available workload as specified by Intel for the SKU segment. TDP may
be exceeded for short periods of time or if running a "power virus" workload.

So, it's possible that the specced TDP actually assumes a sustained clock higher than base.

But it's hard to be sure.

2:09 AM

so much words

Normally, the assumption is that it's not.

Datasheet

Max power allowed by the VR is around 33 W for this processor family.

Whether the processor actually draws that much? I doubt it comes close.

how can I clear my google data automatically

Ouch. Actually. Looking at the graphs again, just to sustain 1900/2000 MHz the UX305 happily lets the temps climb to about 85 degrees Celsius. That is not a comfortable temperature.

I wonder what it feels like on the outside. The heat has to be going somewhere.

Al chassis too. That's gonna burn.

Side note: I've actually slightly burned myself by touching the fan vent of a laptop under heavy load (~90 degrees). And the plastic chassis was very uncomfortable.

Metal chassis? Nooope.

> It is a laptop, so skin temperatures are not as big of a concern, and while it does get hot at around 48°C on long workloads, that heat is well away from where you would normally be touching the device.

Hm. Interesting.

Larger heat dissipating surface? Probably helps a bit.

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The metal chassis might work as a HUGE heatsink tho

Lots of thermal mass, some degree of surface area (tho not as much as a real heatsink...)

2:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek It definitely will.

But I'd expect it to be worse as far as temperature to the touch.

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Quick mod sanity check

A lot of the questions we get that we close as a hardware rec might be better off on HW recommendations...

I'm not sure though if I should be saying "go there" to a beta, especially when a question needs more polish

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Q: What modern monitor could be as good as these two TFT screens ViewSonic VX2025wm or VAIO VPCSE15FG'S screen?

I've used both screens where I've done web design. The colours are good enough, not "exaggerated" at all. Now I'm building a desktop and I'm looking for a monitor that would give me the same result, but I'm confused by the new IPS ones, since both screens I've used are TFT. The specs of VAIO's s...

@JourneymanGeek Probably better to ask them if they want it :P

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Oh, I wouldn't migrate it in its current state

More generally tho

hw?

hardware.stackexchange.com ?

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hardware recommendations

2:32 AM

idk why server fault, stack overflow, and super user arnt in one place

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Calling it hr.se confuses people tho

its all I.T

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because we were the original trilogy.

._.

I've seen some IPS screens where colours look exaggeratedly sharp, that make them better for movies I guess, but not for web design — Franco 2 mins ago

@RecycleBin Different target audiences and questions.

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This statement hurts my little fuzzy head a little.

2:34 AM

@RecycleBin I'm glad they aren't. I have no interest in wading through thousands of programming questions.

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Sounds almost like he wants a specifically crappy monitor

that doesnt really answer what Im asking

well, there can be like subforums?

you have tags too

We have subforums...

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@RecycleBin: Couple of reasons.

@RecycleBin Each SE site is basically a "subforum".

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2:35 AM

Firstly, subforums need deeper navigation.

well yeah

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People are lazy. Everything needs to be in the front page.

Secondly, SE started off as SO

oh?

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Then someone was like "we need a site for sysadmins!" and there was serverfault.

Then

EWOKS

serverfault is only for solving I.T in an enterprise problems

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2:37 AM

SF's had an interesting history

and there's this odd, ongoing debate over scope, and some aspects of the future of the site.

Don't forget tho

there not subforums really there like several forums respectively

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We have overlaps with U&L, and Askdifferent and...

there will always be overlap

im not saying I dislike the way it is im just wondering

@RecycleBin How do you define the difference between a "subforum" and a "separate forum"?

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First you must let go of the concept we're a forum ;p

2:41 AM

because subforums have one account LOL

To me, they are basically the same thing. Subforums do allow deeper levels of nesting, but we use tags for classification at that level.

@RecycleBin You technically only have a single login on SE anyway.

well the rep is different

the username can be different

The reason we have different "accounts" is a bit historical, but also has reason behind it.

@RecycleBin That's intentional. You might be an expert in programming but know absolutely nothing about cooking.

Rep is supposed to indicate a person's expertise in the field and therefore general "trustworthiness".

It's not a perfect measure, but it's better when it's not diluted overly much by knowledge in unrelated fields.

cooking is a way different topic

That's also why SE sites try to have limited scope. A programming expert might know nothing about systems administration (and, frankly, might have dangerous ideas there).

2:43 AM

but its all computer related

So someone who's truly knowledgeable in different fields needs to build up rep independently.

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Yup

You wouldn't trust me in a programming question

how so

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and my knowledge of enterprise gear is limited.

@RecycleBin "I know how to write a program that can do your tax return for you" is different from "I know how to manage a corporate environment with 10,000 users".

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2:44 AM

@RecycleBin: I'm not a programmer.

it can be the same thing

There is some crossover, yes.

But it's also largely different.

e.g. often an SU answer is "run blah as admin"

wont having SU on its own kinda be limited to third party app queries mostly (boring for me)

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SU's got a decent scope.

an SF answer is more likely to (a) assume higher knowledge from the asker, and (b) less likely to provide dangerous-ish options, and (c) more likely to lecture you about good practice

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2:45 AM

Actually we're doing better than SF in that respect IMO

@JourneymanGeek IMO SU's scope has kinda been artificially slimmed of late.

I don't like how many troubleshooting questions we get.

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@Bob: yeah

I'd much prefer conceptual knowledge questions. That gives me an excuse to look things up :P

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lol

same

2:46 AM

But some people close those as "not about a real problem"

which reminds me I need to start a meta topic on that sometime

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my big rep sources were software recommendations at one point

dont you have to know how to program to be classed as an IT expert anyhow

@RecycleBin Nope.

There's also a world of difference between knowing programming good practices and knowing IT management good practices.

I mean just look at the jobs you see, its usually for programming

@RecycleBin Programming is easier to get into.

Connections are much more important for a sysadmin.

They need to be trusted.

2:49 AM

than setting up a network, or replacing computer memory

or doing active directory

I find programming harder...

@RecycleBin everyone has their own specialisations

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@RecycleBin sysadmins start at helpdesk quite often.

isnt programming a big part of computer science

I can't program my way out of a wet paper bag, yet I work in IT. Completely skipped the help desk as well.

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Not all IT guys are CS

2:50 AM

yes

but still

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I'm a information security management and cyberforensics major.

isnt programming a large part computer science

I mean educationally not enterprise

wikipedia says so

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@RecycleBin Not all IT is coding

Not all IT is CS either

I know that

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CS is the supercar of IT careers.

Everyone wants one. Sometimes they catch fire.

and the crashes can be spectacular.

2:57 AM

its recycle bin not reyclebin

:/

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@RecycleBin it autocompletes without a space

thats bin racisim

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meh. Whatever.

IDK how ill find a job at all

job search websites are not very good

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lol

1. They suck. Contacts contacts contacts

2. Get your resume done *right

3. linkedin can be oddly useful in finding leads

3:00 AM

ok

im fine talking by typing but suck talking by voice

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shrug

I used to have serious social anxiety

I just manage by getting in charecter.

ill try LinkedIn

@JourneymanGeek Nobody can resist a cute fluffy animal!

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@RecycleBin: got any work experience?

@MichaelFrank: I have, at best a 10% application to interview rate.

yeah

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3:03 AM

so...

I worked as a telephone banker

it was a great first job but sucked at it

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Put stuff like "Yoyodyne 1999-2000 retrocomfobulator mainainance, java programming, percussive maintainance"

so, the HR drone will be like "oh, this guy has so many skills"

Even if all you did was beat a retrocomfobulator into working.

3:17 AM

what is retrocombulfier

I cant lie on my CV lol

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._.

Then don't

but I dont know java

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but the idea is to list technologies you have worked with in a specific job

....

citrix

and windows server

SSO, AD, terminal services, GPO's

um

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So yoyodyne incorporated (1999-2000)
citrix, windows server, sso, ad
<brief description of your role>

3:20 AM

Yoyodyne is the name of a number of companies, both fictional and real. Yoyodyne was introduced as a fictional defense contractor in Thomas Pynchon's V. (1963) and featured prominently in his novel The Crying of Lot 49 (1966). Described in the latter book as "a giant of the aerospace industry," Yoyodyne was founded by World War II veteran Clayton "Bloody" Chiclitz. The company has a large manufacturing plant in the fictional town of San Narciso, California. The name is reminiscent of several real high-tech companies, including the Gyrodyne Company of America, Teledyne and Teradyne, all of which...

I wasnt an admin for any of those though at my workplace

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hence brief description of role.

Also, you're focusing on the wrong details ;p

I used a headset, and a PC

that was it

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erf

the software was specific to the corporation mostly

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List it anyway

3:23 AM

isnt that private information

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That said, I do NOT list my time 'selling' investment products in my resume.

The name wouldn't be

heh. Actually I ought to list tractor in my resume.

there was a few systems we used that were made for the place I worked in specifically

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hm

except for citrix, IE, and windows basically

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Here's the idea

3:26 AM

and outlook

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Your average HR person has a few hundred resumes to process. Or less. Or are lazy cats

yes

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You want them to take a look and see "Hey, this guy ticks off all the boxen!"

Assuming they do

so you give em ticks for their boxen.

exactually

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maaan

the memories

3:28 AM

I assumed the people who went through the cvs knew about the field

zalgofield

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Nope

!!/zalgo HE COMES

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Not until the phone screening, typically

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3:30 AM

(There's TWO answers there)

Yeah, my answer actually references zalgo.

I was thinking putting loads of stuff I know was irrelevant or too show off-y

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@RecycleBin If you think it's relevant to the job that you're applying for, either because they mention it is, or because of the job title. Then you should put it in. Otherwise, IT people don't really care if you know how to use a cash register.

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Yup

Its a good idea to tailor your resume slightly to an employer

@JourneymanGeek More like "How hackers victims see their computer."

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3:32 AM

If I was applying to another VFX firm, I'd likely play up the fact that I supported tractor, maya etc.

I'm not of course ;p

@JourneymanGeek How is that going, by the way? Any good prospects?

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@MichaelFrank: waiting on a second interview at a financial technology startup.

the only thigns that apply to an enterpeise that I can think of is AD, GPO's and maybe RSPO

and maybe terminal services

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Which is a fancy way of saying "They're a paypal clone whose office is in a spare conference room of an amazon clone"

oh and dhcp, etc in windows server MMC, (networking protocols basically)

here is an example, totaljobs.com/JobSearch/…

3:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek LOL, CHKDSK

for example 'Contribute to and maintain system standards. Assist with the enforcement and monitoring of these standards'

what does this mean?

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it says a lot and means nothing.

brilliant

it looks slightly intimidating

im not in southhampton before you ask :P

thousands of people may apply for this job who have actual experience

of working in IT

@allquixotic I wonder where they got the image from. If you search 'hacker code' on Google, you get much better results.

this is what I get when googling hacker code argos.scene7.com/is/image/Argos/2581338_R_Z001A_UC1710535

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3:43 AM

Wee

second interview on wednesday.

@RecycleBin everyone starts somewhere.

yes

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I know of pretty good sysadmins with english literature degrees

yeah, I want to work in the music buisness but there is no chance of doing that at all

@RecycleBin Not with that attitude!

so IT is my second choice

3:45 AM

You could always be a dancer!

ok well there is a chance but not as a first time job

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;p

and ive tried too

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@RecycleBin: I've produced...

3? 4? cds of indian classical music.

as a first time job?

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3:46 AM

Recording, not much mixing, actually making the cds

hm. Reverse nepotism.

;p

shit flows downhill.

I wanna perform but theres no way

theres no professionals neerby

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lol

with any professions

contacts

and youtube man, youtuuuube

just sloppy kids

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wee

wee outside

I could try youtube

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3:49 AM

Second interview snagged

@RecycleBin I'd have you know I never do toilet outside the toilet. What do I look like, a puppy?

no lol

omg I renember when I used to troll ##macosx in freenode IRC

that was hell funny

4:27 AM

0 twitter followers

something has to change

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I have 15 ;p

and mostly post onliners there

I have 174 \m/

I think I have a twitter account :P

maybe

4:43 AM

what is twitter ? :-)

4:54 AM

-3

Q: Making a program not installable with linux

I would like to disable wine because I spend way too much time playing. The problem is that I must have a root account, so using user privilege is not a solution. Is there any program to make it hard or impossible for a sudo user to install a particular package ?

linux installation

sigh

lol

lol lol lol

lol lol lol lol lol

looks like hes an alcoholic

just learn to stop using wine

we cant do it for you

its an addiction

migrate it to Productivity SE :-)

5:35 AM

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5:51 AM

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6:05 AM

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A: "Failed to Configure" restart loop with Windows 7 Updates

Boot to the Recovery Console and Applicable Commands (Links at bottom for step-by-step instruction still for getting to Recovery Console and Safe Mode) Run the below #1 command first to find out which drive letter is assigned to the [Windows] OS partition from the Recovery Console as it may not...

this is a really nice answer

6:23 AM

superuser.com/questions/994837/… <--- spam.

really sofisticated spam :-) nobody will notice because we asked a question :-)

6:34 AM

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superuser.com/questions/994804/… A IPS screen does look oddly crisp at first compared to the other screens. not sure what it WAS about it, the sharpness was set normal like. one gets over that in about 20 seconds though :-)

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6:55 AM

linux.slashdot.org/story/15/11/02/0125246/…

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4 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

Sounds almost like he wants a specifically crappy monitor

Also, bored?

That's a LOT of macros.

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