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12:03
Hi!
NAA:
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A: What is the difference between "I was there" and "I have been there"?

navneetthen what will be the difference between ... I have been there in New York City in the past, so I know how do New Yorkers celebrate Christmas and I had been there in New York City in the past, so I know how do New Yorkers celebrate Christmas

If you have another question, please ask it by clicking the Ask Question button. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 10 secs ago
@user62015 Hi!
@StoneyB But then, how to express that? ...I know how New Yorkers celebrate Christmas? Isn't do possible here, anywhere? It sounds incomplete without it! — Maulik V ♦ Mar 1 '14 at 5:32
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hi! Have you sent the last message to me?
Shouldn't someone fix that?
12:10
I have some more questions
@user62015 ?
I have some more questions. I need your help to find out the answers.
@DamkerngT. I still don't understand this exclamation mark obsession !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@user62015 Thrill me!
I know the answers from the book and they didn't make any sense.
I can't say anything about his. But I love mine. :D
I mean, I love mine!
12:13
@DamkerngT. But mines kill people. :o
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Like this one? imdb.com/title/tt1329404
@Dam please go and vote 'leave closed' the troll's question.
Q1- I don't' (a) /want to (b) /loose it. (c)/ No error (d)
@user62015 C.
Thanks. I am also right.
12:14
Aye -- Aye.
@DamkerngT. No I meant the other mine, but that works too.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M There's nothing in the Reopen queue.
Q2- Do not (a)/ get panicked (b)/ in emergencies. (c)/ No error (d)
BTW today I took a Persian Grammar exam. 100% ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
@DamkerngT. Good good!
@user62015 B, prolly.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Great.
Why b?
12:17
A nicer version is
> Do not panic in emergencies!
But I'm not sure how bad "get panicked" is.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Congarats!
@DamkerngT. (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M But it says instead of in emergencies we should use during emergencies.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Thanks for identifying the emoticon for a sufferer of affective mood disorder whose hypomania is cusping on incipient manic psychosis. The white nutcatcher vans have been duly dispatched and should be on the disaster scene presently.
12:20
@tchrist O.o
@user62015 Facepalm
@tchrist How much will you get panicked when you hear 'get panicked'?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Do you agree with the answer?
@user62015 No.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It threatens a syncopal discontinuity.
So we are on same page.
May I go forward with more questions?
@tchrist Tell that to the idiots who makes @user accept what he says.
Hey @Dam we have a FLAWLESS situation here.
12:23
I cannot discern the question of @user62015.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I guess so.
> Find the error in this statement.
But the formatting the author chooses to formulate his questions is amusing and confusing at the same time, what you couldn't achieve in a billion years.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The Panoptical Oracle sees all, knows all, tells all.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Q3- Do you know that it was I (a)/ who has done (b) / this piece of beautiful work? (c) No error (d)
@user62015 Um, clumsy sentence IMO.
But maybe it should be "who did" for a start, dunno.
12:26
Aye
It says b and it should be "who have done"
Instead of "who has done"
Real Exam English!
@user62015 LOL
So, get/gets/got panicked essentially never occurs.
12:28
@tchrist Instead compare panic and get panicked!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Why? How could that even fit the grammar?
11 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
> Do not panic in emergencies!
Just a comparison.
Oh. Yes, that’s normal, but hard to search for.
@user62015 I do not undertand your notation.
@tchrist Which one?
@tchrist Yeah(e),(f), it's (g) weird (h).(i) no error (j)
12:30
@user62015 All the stuff with the letters; I am unable to see what that means.
What are the actual choices?
@user62015 Correct, because first-person of have is have not has.
@tchrist These are questions which have been asked in competition exams in India
I understand that you don't understand what I do not understand, but I do not understand why. Let me clarify, please.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Okay.
Q4 - The company has ordered (A) / some new equipments. (c) / No error (d)
I know you will say C but it says A
> Please answer which part is wrong:

a) The first part: Do you know that it was I WHO HAS DONE this piece of beautiful work?
b) The second part: Do you know that it was I who has done THIS PIECE OF BEAUTIFUL WORK?
c) Both parts: Do you know that it was I WHO HAS DONE THIS PIECE OF BEAUTIFUL WORK?
d) Neither part: Do you know that it was I who has done this piece of beautiful work?
And gives the reason "We should use ordered for"
12:34
Is that what is being asked?
If not, please tell me what is being asked, because the notation confuses me.
If that is the question, the answer is c), both parts are wrong.
@tchrist I have pasted the complete question from the book.
It comes the same way.
That does not help me.
Your book presumably explains its notation.
@tchrist It confused me before. Let me explain how it works.
Please!
The question wants the student to spot one error.
In any given sentence, they will split the sentence into 3 or 4 parts, one part of them is the error.
12:37
3 or 4, maybe this is my confusion.
> Q3- Do you know that it was I (a)/ who has done (b) / this piece of beautiful work? (c) No error (d)
Sometimes they include "No error" as the last choice, (d).
Better read it as:
aaaaaaaaaaaaa (a)/ bbbbbbbbbbbb (b) / cccccccccccccc (c) / No error (d)
@tchrist They have to write a letter. a, b, c or d.
No no.
D means the null set. It has nothing after it.
If they choose a, that means they believe the error in the sentence is in A.
Oh for fuck's sake they're using postfix not prefix!?!?
That's horrible!!!
12:38
@tchrist That was exactly what confused me the first few times!
That's simply evil.
@tchrist Told (e) you (f) // // / so (g). (h) no error. (i)
It’s evil because we read left to right in English.
Funny thing is, it never confused me.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That’s because you bat for the other team.
12:39
I've been tortured with something better than this Amigo. (Read in Spanish accent)
You are one of those RTLers, you know, the Spock with the goatee.
Mirror mirror.
@tchrist Haha, what if I say you guys need a mirror?
Anybody who doesn’t hate the living writes that as Q3— (a) Do you know it was I (b) who has done (c) this piece of beautiful work? (d) NO ERROR: ALL THREE OF a, b, and c are correct.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I guess my mirror will only flatter me. :P
> Did you know that it was I who did this beautiful piece of work?
The (c) part distributes wronglyishly.
12:44
Exactly! But our Real Exam English says that it's (b) because it should be who have done!
@tchrist But (m) I (n) find this/ / / / / / / (o) / funnier (p).(q) no error (r) /
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Q: differentiating orders in a noune phrase

nima1.His latest two books are excellent. 2.His two latest books are excellent. Could you show me the difference between these in meaning? Thanks

See there?
"Noune phrase" LOL
One should interpret that as saying that piece of beautiful work is ungrammatical in English.
@tchrist Thanks! I expected some of the other alternative, but there is none!
12:46
Therefore, the test is wrong.
Because we have two errors!
Exactly.
@tchrist It always is.
That’s because it’s not written by a native speaker.
And therefore it lacks the instincts of native speakers.
It gets shit wrong.
@user62015 Please accept my condolences for your sorry misfortune.
@tchrist Hah, today you're in a swearical mood. :P
12:50
@tchrist That's fine.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Lies, damned lies, and hypercorrective poppycock really get my dandruff up. Teachers must be held to a higher standard for they are models to follow, so if they’re teaching students to generate ungrammatical sentences, the authors need to be sacked and their textbooks consigned to the pyre of infamy.
@tchrist Man you should never come here.
Let then not the blind the blind follow into the gaping chasm.
nods -- To compensate for the lack of the instincts, they can at least try to be more careful, but that's not easy for most.
Books purporting to instruct in English need to be proofread by native speakers before publication.
12:55
Agree.
The funny thing is, I don’t know why it has to be "X piece of work" not "piece of X work" for those sorts.
I just know that it must.
It hadn't occur to me that it's almost(?) ungrammatical until you mentioned it.
@tchrist My previous teacher has an exercise book. Back then I randomly chose a page and read the first sentence, and the exercise was "answer the questions". Q1 was "Did her wife buy her some clothes?"
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M o_O
Notice how a piece of embroidery work is the grammatical version, and that an ∗embroidery piece of work is the ungrammatical one.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Very modern.
12:58
@tchrist What can I say?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Perhaps, I don't think so!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That you’re an Arabic Mormon with a sea of wives.
@tchrist His nickname is "algae", that should give you some idea of what we think of him and his IQ.
(By nickname I mean what students call him)
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Q: differentiating orders in a noun phrase

nima1.His latest two books are excellent. 2.His two latest books are excellent. Could you show me the difference between these in meaning? Thanks

If this is the English they teach at universities, I don't want to go to a university.
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A: What is the rule for adjective order?

tchristI am reminded of how J.R.R. Tolkien’s mother once famously corrected him at a very early age when he said ‘a green great dragon’. She told him that it had to be ‘a great green dragon’, but when he asked her why, she couldn’t answer, thereby starting him down the road of puzzling over matters lin...

Two is a bit different, but I'm sure that my old answer should answer his question, and it was an answer to his old question.
13:04
@DamkerngT. :/ And I thought they sold us a pretty prescriptive set of rules for order of modifiers in Iran.
Not that it's a right thing to do, but anyhow.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You mean adjective ordering restrictions?
Yes.
I forgot an "order of".
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Q: Vote question closure up or down

Byron HawkinsI would like the Stack Exchange sites to provide a way for members to respectfully agree or disagree with the closing of a question, particularly if it is marked as "off topic" or "duplicate". Over the years I have obtained a great deal of very useful information from questions that are closed, a...

Oh \o @Stoney!
I got up and couldn’t see anything because it was black. Now I can’t see anything because it is white.
Can barely see fifty feet away. I’m in the middle of a cloud.
13:22
Hi, @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M. I hope somebody's following @tchrist around and wiping up the foam so he doesn't slip and hurt himself.
It’s brume not spume that occludes my vision.
<darkly>There are some things man was not meant to see. </darkly>
Hmm. Didn't realise that ELL has a tag.
Excellent.
tagsyns
I just looked at the first page of those questions :/
@jimsug From necessity comes the tag.
Oh, no.
There's something that a disproportionate number of these have in common. :P
Oh, perhaps we should merge them!
On ELL that page is an author study, not a genre study.
13:35
@StoneyB Ha! How astute.
@jimsug How do you guys make screen shots bigger than your screen height?
Firefox: screenshot -fullpage
tag syntax abuse :P
@jimsug F2 is the screen brightener. Shift-F2 does nothing.
Oh wait.
It works on linux/windows.
Umm.
It screenshot -fullpage a shell command?
13:38
You want whatever the command for Tools > Web Developer > Developer Toolbar is.
The data tells all!
ha.
I think I have a SEDE problem :P
But data is so intoxicating.
@tchrist I now regret not just saying "What do you mean, that is my screen height!" :P
Don't y'all have 1920x8980 screens? ;)
I don't think I have that last zero!
13:52
I'm going to trial putting a [legal] ticker in The Sidebar (law chatroom)
Tick?
Hehe, trial.
Puns are funny.
@tchrist Well, if people go elsewhere and answer questions - like here on ELL, for instance - it could drive traffic to Law.
I want an 8k monitor in portrait aspect. It'll be just like the 1970s, when I edited my dissertation by pinning the pages on the wall vertically.
I'm just imagining the physical dimensions of such a monitor, at my current DPI...
I actually don't think it would fit in my room.
Well
Not vertically, anyway.
14:03
I'm waiting for screens I can roll up.
Affordable screens I can roll up.
Nomme. I want less mobility, not more.
It's not for mobility, but space.
I'd like a television in my room - for watching in bed, mainly - but at the moment the only place I'd want to put it is in my wardrobe.
I have a built-in, one of those ones with sliding mirrored doors.
Also I rent and can't wall-mount them, so a screen I can roll up would presumably be wall-mountable without the need for a bracket.
A rollup BAS would just be one more thing I'd be expected to tote along to client meetings.
Yeah, but then it might be light enough that you wouldn't care.
I do'wanna go to the damn meeting in the first place!
14:18
Ah. Different problem, then.
I want constraints on mobility and communications which will make it inconvenient for the client to communicate in any medium but the written word. The cheaply recordable, storable, recoverable, searchable written word. The medium which allows people to think about what they're saying before they say it, and may penalize them if they do not do so.
On the contrary, I think video communication allows for far more gaffes than writing.
You can blame embarrassing writing on the reader misinterpreting the tone; you can't do that when you are clearly visible and audible.
Alright, it's now getting far too late, even for me.
14:40
What we need to do is get the people who compose exercises and exams onto the site.
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Q: A question on written expression

userI am just practising some english grammar related questions. Question: Identify the one bold word or phrase that must be changed in order for the sentence to be correct. Newtonian physics accounts from the observation of the orbits of the planets and moons. A) accounts B) from C) observation...

@StoneyB I wonder how the examiners examine themselves.
But then again, I know another kind of cheaply made exam question.
The sentences will be more natural, but a lot of times the questions will miss the points (because the test maker hasn't mastered the points yet).
14:57
Yes. Writing examples and exercises and examinations is damnably difficult. You can't just write a sentence and insert the mistake you're interested in: you have to write a sentence with no mistakes or ambiguities except the one you're interested in.
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A lot of grammarians and exam-writers and so forth try to work around the problem by pulling their base sentences from corpora of actual real-life utterances. That may make the sentences more "natural"; but it overlooks the fact that real-life utterances are crawling with bad writing and speaking. Sturgeon's Law.
Even I, I, moi qui vous parle, completely overlooked the secondary error in the Q&A I just posted until FF pointed it out.
I just found another variant of the question, but with study, instead of observation(s).
I don't know which one is the original.
Bah. They're copying each other: cut-and-paste + 'personalize' to evade plagiarism charges. And they're playing the telephone game with it.
Uh-oh. This looks like our election troll again.
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Q: what is the logic of this sentence?

thirtvankeCould somebody explain the following sentence in a more comprehensible way? "My wife and I are into male chastity play. It started out as masturbation control for me and then went to her controlling my orgasms." I want to know the difference between "masturbation control " and "controlling my o...

@StoneyB Wait, answerers or textbooks?
@StoneyB Oh hell.
@tchrist Textbooks/testers/websites -- "the industry"
15:12
That is the "study" version I found. It's on the first page, Q number 3.
@StoneyB Flagged with a custom flag to keep an eye on it.
@tchrist A good solution -- I was looking for a valid excuse to close it.
It’s just trying to inflame passions.
To titillate.
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because these appear to be 'terms of art' within a very small discourse community, not terms broadly current in English. — StoneyB 31 secs ago
Good. If it really is our bad actor, we will probably see more where that one came from.
15:26
@DamkerngT. That's very interesting. The ELL question claimed that the preposition had been identified as the error, and asked for an explanation of that. This version suggests that the error is actually accounts, which should be replaced with derives. That would be acceptable in both versions.
Ok, something is fishy here.
Here is the answer,it's provided by @Catija. english.stackexchange.com/questions/30359/…thirtvanke yesterday
Following the link, I see no Catija.
I see only a Thursagen.
Identical question (not by this user) on ELUCatija yesterday
They might've meant the first comment:
@StoneyB Ah, I haven't checked the answer!
Oh, that sort of provided by. :)
Hmm... the answer key (on the last page) says 3B. I think they mean B. from.
It's a little sad that our learners would be the last kid in the telephone game.
I'm not sure what we should do with the "chastity play" question.
But I voted to close it too.
No ELL moderators have been around today.
If the user whose post that is becomes a problem, I can always get a hold of someone to look at it.
15:37
Thanks in advance!
One more downvote and you guys can even delete it.
If we can get enough folks to pile on we can do what we did last time .. close and delete. As tchrist has just said.
It’s close.
Delete enabled.
Now it needs three delete votes.
You guys are two, and @jimsug can finish it off.
Oh wait, maybe not.
He doesn't have enough reps yet either.
15:50
I've deletevoted
I just asked FumbleFingers to pitch in.
@StoneyB That was a very informative question. I never knew of such thing. (0:
@CopperKettle I'm big on enlarging folks' horizons, but I think we need another SE site to accomodate that one.
GONE!
Yup, FF finished it off.
Now we wait to see where next the mole raises its ugly head.
@StoneyB Yes, probably. (0:
Hm, my computer may be about to reboot.
16:06
It first posted on SO on Sep 30
16:23
@tchrist Moles are beautiful! ಠ_ಠ
@StoneyB I did see that.
Almost all of stoichiometry is, to be precise.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That's a pretty word for which I cannot conceive ever having a use. :(
@StoneyB You should do some chemistry then.
Oh, you are speaking not about the furry claustrophiles but about the measurement unit..
16:27
@CopperKettle That's the point of the pun.
I did some chemistry. I did second-semester Intro to Chemistry twice, in fact.
That's not enough chem. :/
@StoneyB You passed an exam twice?
It wasn't til after I took it that I discovered it was the 'cut' course whose main function was to eliminate Engineering students.
I took it twice. I passed it once.
16:29
Ah.
@StoneyB LOL -- The same thing happened to me. :P
Smells a rat Eww
I was a poor chemistry student at (in?) shool..
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Behind the arras?
in my university days.
16:32
@StoneyB Chemicals can't smell that far.
(googles arras)
("A tapestry, wall hanging, or curtain, especially one of Flemish origin.")
("(Placename) a town in N France: formerly famous for tapestry; severely damaged in both World Wars. Pop: 40 590 (1999)")
You'll need to Google Hamlet, too.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Besides, we're looking for a mole, not a rat.
"Thus far with rough and all-unable pen
Our bending author hath pursued the story,
In little room confining mighty men,
Mangling by starts the full course of their glory."
@StoneyB With each breath, you exchange approximately 1/22.4 moles of air with air.
So do it 22.4 times. :P
Which would be like, 105 seconds.
@CopperKettle That's Henry V, I think, not Hamlet.
16:37
@StoneyB Yes, it's only that I chanced upon it a couple of days ago and liked this quote.
Sir, you exhale a mole in score of breaths,
A hundred seconds’s worth, our chemist saith
(0:
In his lawless fit,
Behind the arras hearing something stir,
Whips out his rapier, cries, “A rat, a rat!”
And in this brainish apprehension kills
The unseen good old man.
Ahem Good old teenager
@CopperKettle Well said, old mole! Canst work i' th' earth so fast?
 
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18:19
I think I have already done what you asked me. I cannot get what you meant. Sorry. — nima 10 mins ago
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Care to explain?
@DamkerngT. Explain what?
What they cannot [sic] get.
Oh, you mean explain to Nima. :)
Yup. :D
It's a suicide mission, but I'll see what I can do.
18:22
Thanks!
Nima please take a look at how others edited your previous questions. To format examples, we use blockquotes, i.e. > . Also, you need to explain the link so we know what we're clicking at. "Source" is a bad link descriptor, but it's definitely better than "enter link description here". Thus, you don't see any reputable articles in the Net have link descriptors like that. Also, "thanks in advance" is a tagline, and taglines are discouraged in SE, just as much as politeness is encouraged. Please don't include them in your posts and please learn from editors. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 13 secs ago
Thanks once again!
@DamkerngT. Welcome! (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ
That's something we can be proud of!
(Hats off to StoneyB)
18:39
Bows to king @Stoney IV
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