Game Development

TheMuffinCoder

00:26

amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Superclocked-Graphics-12G-P4-2992-KR/dp/…

Joe

05:46

Dev2rights

07:44

haha

user92578

morning

Dev2rights

Morning

user92578

I've got 4 school day's work to do today :(

user92578

So I'll get the hell outta here and start working

Lokkij

Have fun!

Kevin van der Velden

09:07

I think I'm buying website hosting D:

Anyone have any experience with transip? transip.eu / transip.nl (CC @Lokkij cause you're (IIRC) dutch)

Manmohan Bishnoi

09:22

Heya fellas

Kevin van der Velden

o/

Manmohan Bishnoi

anyone experienced with implementing OpenGL ES 2 context on desktop ?

Kevin van der Velden

@ManmohanBishnoi why would you need the limited context on a desktop?

For simulating stuff or?

Manmohan Bishnoi

I develop android games and sometimes doing things with Physics engine (BulletPhysics) are difficult

It would be a lot easier to build a sandbox for testing on desktop that renders using openGL ES 2 and directly port finished code to android

Kevin van der Velden

I've never done it, g-truc.net/post-0457.html has something about that, should be possible via GLFW

Manmohan Bishnoi

09:26

there's an extension bit passed while creating OpenGL context

GLX_CONTEXT_ES2_PROFILE_BIT_EXT

but seems like there isnot much information on how to use it

0

Q: How to create OpenGL ES 2 context on Desktop?

Is it possible to create OpenGL ES 2 context on desktop linux? My context related code is like this: int context_attribs[] = { GLX_CONTEXT_MAJOR_VERSION_ARB, 4, GLX_CONTEXT_MINOR_VERSION_ARB, 5, GLX_CONTEXT_PROFILE_MASK_ARB, GLX_CONTEXT_ES2_PROFILE_BIT_EXT, ...

@KevinvanderVelden I was thinking of a workaround

since desktop OpenGL ES implementation will differ from the Android implementation due to different driver and hardware

Hjorthenify

I'm having trouble solving Sherlock and the beast even though its marked as easy :(

Kevin van der Velden

@ManmohanBishnoi yeah I have no idea

Manmohan Bishnoi

create a Server(Desktop)-Client(Android App) program .. .and each use platforms native OpenGL implementations

Kevin van der Velden

@ManmohanBishnoi that can't be solved ever. However the profile does restrict you to the same functions so barring bugs in drivers etc

Manmohan Bishnoi

and send commands from server like
"SET BODY_X MASS=100Kg"

and android client App updates the body mass

this way I'll be sure that my code does not break when porting to android

@KevinvanderVelden by the way hostin plan on

transip.eu/webhosting

seems good to me

I use GoDaddy and AWS for hosting my servers

Kevin van der Velden

09:34

Yes, but they can write whatever they want on websites they control. Hence me asking for anyone with actual experience with it

Manmohan Bishnoi

how about these

uk.godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspx?countryview=1

Kevin van der Velden

I've heard nothing but bad things about godaddy

Manmohan Bishnoi

I do use GoDaddy for my websites and custom email

Kevin van der Velden

I mean, sure the hosting is decent

But everything around that is bad

Manmohan Bishnoi

my experience is good in last 6 years . . .. bad things . .like what ?

Kevin van der Velden

09:39

Like, entering a dns on their website to see if it's available, and them immediately parking the website for, essentially, ransom

Also they supported SOPA which should be enough for anyone

Also regarding transip: They are trying really hard to make it seem cheap, and then adding everything they possibly can

For example: In the netherlands the listed price is expected to include taxes, otherwise there's a note saying that they aren't included. Except of course on transip for some reason...

Also a 2 euro discount! For only the first month so that's nothing to write home about

Manmohan Bishnoi

hm m. . .taxes . .. they surely add a lot to the final bill

Kevin van der Velden

Meh

@ManmohanBishnoi 19%

Manmohan Bishnoi

what !! .. . that's a lot of tax

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, but on the other hand we actually maintain our public infrastructure

Manmohan Bishnoi

tax money utilized for public is something not readily seen in India.
Most of the goverment grants for projects is deposited in swiss bank accounts of corrupt politicians

Kevin van der Velden

09:47

Yeah

(Also there's different rates for different things, web hosting is, of course, a non essential and thus taxed the highest (well, not counting cigarettes and such))

Manmohan Bishnoi

In fact for registered companies the income tax is 30% . .same tax rate for a start-up or big corporate giant

Kevin van der Velden

Well there's income tax as well, this is a tax on things you purchase

Manmohan Bishnoi

I know that. .. .here it is called VAT - value added tax (14%)

that's enough about taxes :)

@KevinvanderVelden so you an Indie or work for some company?

Kevin van der Velden

@ManmohanBishnoi Do they really use the english name? =p

I mean, we call it Belasting Toegevoegde Waarde (BTW), which is... uuh, "taxes added value"

No need for a new room you know, this one's fine =p

Also, gamedeving as an indie

Manmohan Bishnoi

I thought we were cluttering this general room with lots of tax related stuff.

so any games you published so far.

Kevin van der Velden

09:57

Meh, it's not like anyone else is talking right now =p

@ManmohanBishnoi define published? =p. I've made a few gamejam games public, and a few for school. Never sold one though

Manmohan Bishnoi

I meant published = sold :)

Kevin van der Velden

Then the answer is indeed none =p

(Though I did work on one that got sold!)

(As an intern, by which I mean the sole programmer during my time there)

Manmohan Bishnoi

ok.

Kevin van der Velden

Yay I have a website now

Manmohan Bishnoi

cool

Kevin van der Velden

10:01

I mean, it's not actually accessible yet but

Manmohan Bishnoi

which hosting provider did you choose?

Kevin van der Velden

mijndomein.nl

Cheapest one I could find that doesn't have a really low bandwith limit (this has a fair use policy of 10 times the average use), while having good reviews

Manmohan Bishnoi

cool

Kevin van der Velden

10:17

Oh seriously?

The js13k zip extraction thing doesn't work with my valid zip file -,-

Kevin van der Velden

10:33

Now it's crashing while creating the directory :D

Lokkij

@KevinvanderVelden Nope, I'm using Yourhosting

user92578

11:12

fucking religion assignments

Kevin van der Velden

s/assignments//

user92578

I gotta write a page on musics role in christianity between the 1600s and the 1900s

user92578

and I already summarized three chapters on random stuff

user92578

I just want to dev already

user92578

Well, I guess I'll just start making shit up

user92578

11:17

@KevinvanderVelden i dont get this

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 Well, it is a religious class

user92578

haha true

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 s/*regex to search for*/*value to replace with*/

user92578

ah

user92578

my regex is a little rusty xD

user92578

11:18

last time I used it was like 4 or 5 years ago when I tried to add syntax highlighting to my custom python "IDE" :D

Kevin van der Velden

Well, there's not actually a regex in there except in the most technical sense

user92578

I had to do a math assignment earlier and it was really nice exercise, it really showed me how useful derivatives are

user92578

I had to get the equation for the tangent of y=x^2 at the position (1, 1)

user92578

So simple with derivatives

user92578

But I wasn't allowed to use them

user92578

11:24

So it was "a lot" more work, with one discriminant and then solving a 2d order equation

user92578

Really cool stuff

Kevin van der Velden

12:00

Welp. js13k is a bust, their software is crappy and doesn't support zip files

user92578

12:35

So looks like I gotta get a new headset, any recommendations?

Kevin van der Velden

I like my G430, nice and lightweight and with USB soundcard thingy

user92578

Ah

user92578

What does the USB thing do?

Kevin van der Velden

Be a soundcard

That way you can just plug the USB thing in and have sound and mic go over your headset

No configuring anything

user92578

Ah, okay, sounds cool

user92578

12:37

They also look cool

user92578

And price seems reasonable

Kevin van der Velden

I don't know how much it is, I won it :D

user92578

There's volume control on the wire?

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, and mic mute

user92578

89,90e in a popular Finnish webstore

user92578

12:38

Okay, so the same controls as my current one...

user92578

I could also get the G230 for 69,90e

user92578

It only has stereo

Kevin van der Velden

So does the G430, given that, you know. It has a single stereo plug

I have no idea why it's marketed as more

user92578

Yeah but there are more sound sources right?

Kevin van der Velden

Probably

user92578

12:43

I think the G230 might be good enough for me

user92578

Red is also a cooler color, as my lame USB speakers have a red outline

user92578

Hmm yeah those seem good

user92578

Thanks a lot

user92578

Meanwhile

user92578

I got boxes working in the level editor

Hjorthenify

13:50

Somebody stabbed my wheel while at the grocery store. Why do people have to be such dicks?

user92578

:(

Almo

wtf

@Hjorthenify hey you might find this interesting: harmful.cat-v.org/people/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity

a semi-mathematical model of stupidity

user92578

Oh hey

user92578

Now that there are other people here too, I'd like to get a second (and a third if possible) opinion on what headset to get

Almo

ok

you have some you were looking at?

user92578

13:58

Yeah Kevin recommended the Logitech G430

user92578

But the cheaper G230 seemed like a valid option too, maybe even a bit preferred, for the cheaper price

user92578

As I don't do hardcore gaming, a few extra sound sources probably aren't something I would be interested in investing in

Almo

I don't think hardcore gaming ever requires super-awesome sound repro, unless you're really into the audio aspect of the games

I use a $300 set of headphones on my computer partially because I listen to music when I'm working

and I love music

but a side effect is I get great audio repro on LoL, which is amazing sound design

but if you're looking for a headset for general use, investing heavily doesn't seem necessary

I think I'd be more interested in whether the thing is built to last

user92578

14:20

Working on adding enemies:

user92578

They add correctly, but the rendering flickers for some reason

user92578

It was an odd layer error I think

user92578

Ookay, that's working now

user92578

Now one thing I probably should add to the editor is previewing

user92578

14:30

So currently it doesn't show anything unless you actually make the edit

user92578

14:48

Not sure if I should do this:

user92578

where the enemy gets added to the "center"

user92578

or just offset it to the tile

user92578

Totally the latter:

user92578

15:03

Previewing kinda works, but there's a problem with the gun hitboxes:

user92578

15:18

I think I need to either somehow manually clear those

user92578

Or let the enemies know they're in editor mode

user92578

Or

user92578

Wait I might be able to not invike the KillEntity() function

user92578

Just destroy entities and not spawning particles etc

user92578

Yeah that stops the particles and the shaking

user92578

15:27

However it does not help with the guns

user92578

Anyways Ill call it a day

Pip

15:51

cya later then Tyyppi

RhysW

16:05

@Tyyppi_77 just thought i'd point out that your almost daily updates and progress reports are whats keeping me moving forward with my own stuff. It's fun to see what other people are doing as their personal projects

RhysW

16:26

adding spritefonts to monogame is a pain in the butt

Lokkij

16:43

I agree, the daily updates are great

RhysW

has anyone here used monogame without installing the rest of the XNA stuff?

Kevin van der Velden

16:56

The only XNA stuff I did was before monogame was released

RhysW

monogame is currently beating me and winning

its had its own content pipeline thing added, and its supposed to let you generate xnb's from spritefonts. It kinda works, but also doesn't

TheMuffinCoder

Morning guys! :D

RhysW

its made the xnb, it now just wont load the xnb.

Jon

@RhysW wuts the err?

RhysW

It's giving me null reference exceptions

but I can see its created the xnb

Jon

17:09

can you post the code you use to load the xnb?

also, where did you put the xnb file?

RhysW

Sure

font = this.Content.Load<SpriteFont>("MyFont");

The font is called MyFont. I added it through the mgcb pipeline UI

when it builds it puts it in the 'Content\bin\Windows' file, which I presume is the correct place as that part is automated

i dont have any of the XNA framework installed, as monogame 3.4 claims it no longer needs it

@Jon ah got it, its my own inability to read that is the issue

Jon

:P

RhysW

it was embarassingly obvious, but uh, we will gloss over that :P thanks

Lokkij

Aoife Wilson has written an excellent piece about Quiet (an almost naked female character) from MGSV

RhysW

ok now we are getting somewhere! woo

all documentation i can find online at the moment is a total mess while people have had to write pure XNa, then XNA Monogame mixes, then just monogame ones as both things evolved.

Lokkij

17:39

Riley MacLeod - The queer masculinity of stealth games

Almo

@Lokkij pretty embarassing

RhysW

@Almo but photosynthesis!

Almo

heh

RhysW

how goes your eve stuff almo?

Almo

17:54

pretty well

zkillboard.com/alliance/99000137

in defense of providence we're getting a lot of kills

RhysW

nice, youve been playing that for years now havent you?

Hjorthenify

@RhysW Dont.. Talk.. About EVE! It drags.. me.. CLOSER

RhysW

:P almo got me into it at one point with his blog, but I escaped somehow

Almo

EVE

i haven't blogged in a long long time

RhysW

i know :(

you did the rocket league piece semi recently

but nothing since nov 2013 for eve i dont think

Hjorthenify

18:02

I just got 3 USB 3.0 16GB sticks for free

Almo

yeah it's been a while

Hjorthenify

But my PC doesn't do USB 3.0 :(

#FirstWorldProblems

RhysW

i think mine only has usb3 ports

Hjorthenify

Showoff.

:D

RhysW

:P

Hjorthenify

18:06

My laptop is 5 years old

6 this summer

RhysW

ah, i replace mine at that sort of age, which is what i did last year i think

Hjorthenify

Yeah

I'll get a new PC soonish

But a stationary instead of a laptop

RhysW

:O

i've never not had a laptop

Hjorthenify

I'll use my current one for school stuff :P

Lokkij

Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime | Release Trailer

►

Lovers is a Dangerous Spacetime looks awesome

The LOVE-powered reactor broke and there is anti-love spreading through the galaxy! Guided by space-bunny professor Hopsy Flopsy, you rescue space-bunnies who can RAINBOW-BEAM gateways open to parts of the LOVE-reactor! :D

user92578

18:20

@RhysW Thanks a lot, that really means a lot to me. Sharing my progress and the undescribably valuable feedback I get are really what keep me going.

Hjorthenify

@Tyyppi_77 IHANA feedback!

user92578

Weird sentence, plz dont mind it

user92578

Lol

Hjorthenify

Okay I'll stop using the only finish word i know whenever I can...

user92578

Nono not you

Hjorthenify

18:21

I know :P

RhysW

well that went well :P

user92578

On mobile, so whats written is written :D

RhysW

what kind of game are you making? and don't say 2d platformer, that much is evident :P

Hjorthenify

2d top-down

user92578

Action-shooter-platformer is the term I think I use

Asaltaviejas

18:25

.

Hjorthenify

@Asaltaviejas I thought we made it clear yesterday that if you wanted to take part of this chat you had to say something constructive.

user92578

Hi

Hjorthenify

Yeah try with Hi, but ONLY ONCE :P

user92578

:D

TEddyBEaR

19:05

know of ring that summons lunatics fallen

diii

4 of them and I walk toward the boss they explode

instantly

i got one. really fun

TEddyBEaR

19:26

I could farm bosses like that. low level anyway

would be cool if it was weapon damage

Kevin van der Velden

Oh yeah, the raspberry pi is kinda slow

RhysW

19:54

@KevinvanderVelden 1 or 2?

Kevin van der Velden

1

(It's powerful enough for what I usually do, but building my website takes 0.09 seconds on my virtual machine on my pc, and 6 seconds on my raspi)

Hjorthenify

What do you use your PI for?

OMGtechy

eating

Kevin van der Velden

@Hjorthenify Play music

Hjorthenify

How does that work?

Kevin van der Velden

20:00

HDMI to my amplifier

Hjorthenify

Well.. How do you control it?

Kevin van der Velden

MPD for the player, controller app on my phone

Hjorthenify

Ah cool

RhysW

i love accidentally stumbling across a really well written explanation on how to do something

Hjorthenify

Me too

RhysW

20:07

it was posted 6 years ago but is still relevant and mostly correct too.

Hjorthenify

What is it?

RhysW

Someone explaining how they managed their screen handler

Hjorthenify

Ah

Well if you link it, then you might get some stars on it :)

RhysW

I don't imagine it covers anything all of you's don't already know. It's very entry level, so just right for where I am starting :P

Hjorthenify

:P

I do like reading well explained articles, but I do like to implement stuff from badly written articles as it makes it less of a "just write this without any knowledge of what's going on"

Lokkij

20:14

@RhysW Post it anyway!

Not all of us are as experienced as one might think

RhysW

dreamincode.net/forums/topic/…

its part 1 of 4. And this poster seems to continuously write tutorials / guides of this level of explanation

Lokkij

Yeah it looks really good

Jon

you kick my dog

Kevin van der Velden

Why stop there?

Uhm. I'm trying to install something with npm. It is taking 90% of available memory

Aand the (console!) task monitor crashed, out of memory

Javascript: Where installing a package takes over half a gig of memory

Hjorthenify

Javascript: Wut es strims?

Kevin van der Velden

20:22

Yup, ah well. Time for bed

Lokkij

o/

TheMuffinCoder

20:40

That moment when you're going to write Java/Python but you realize you can do it in JavaScript instead

RhysW

you guys should do like, a monthly event with challenges like this: dreamincode.net/forums/topic/…

TheMuffinCoder

@RhysW Lol i would wish I could do those, but school cuts too much of my time ; - ;

Hjorthenify

Nah we're all friends here. Internal challenges makes people become.. Less friends.

TheMuffinCoder

All this week's hw didnt let me finish my js13k entry and I was 90% done ; - ;

RhysW

I mean, its similar to what writers does with their prompt tuesdays

Lokkij

20:42

I think the wildly varying levels of skill and experience would be an issue

TheMuffinCoder

Lol

and then the UE and Unity wars began

RhysW

@Lokkij I feel like you could say that about any challenge type event

TheMuffinCoder

we should have a asset creation contest >:^)

Lokkij

True, but most challenges have the benefit that they can appeal to only a small part of the audience because everyone can participate

Hjorthenify

@TheMuffinCoder Sure as long as its 2D :P

RhysW

20:43

yeah, you could have all sorts of variety, doesnt have to be huge monolithic stuff all the time

Lokkij

There's like six people in here who would participate

TheMuffinCoder

D: you found my flaw

Hjorthenify

^^

RhysW

@Lokkij ok, just an idea

Lokkij

Not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't think it would fit for this room

TheMuffinCoder

20:44

lol i'm only decent at making pixel art :P

RhysW

might only be 6 now could also be used to get people interested

@Lokkij I don't just mean this room, i mean gamedev.se as a whole

Hjorthenify

@Lokkij Agreed

TheMuffinCoder

lol there's only a few of us here usually

The rest are random people with quick questions

RhysW

well yeah, you aren't going to attract the type of people who would take part if there isn't something for them to take part in :P its a catch-22

Lokkij

We should totally host another GD.SE GameJam though

RhysW

20:48

yeah, that kinda thing, when was the last one?

Lokkij

Half a year ago I think

TheMuffinCoder

Lol then we can have teams :^)

Then half the chat will merge into 1 team

RhysW

was there a topic/genre or more of a 'turn up and do stuff and share it with us' thing

Lokkij

Yep, one moment

RhysW

nice thanks

Lokkij

20:50

35

Q: Community Project Highlights 2014

Welcome to the first Community Project Highlights! Here's what it's all about: As a member, you can post an answer to this question with details about a personal project (preferably an ongoing project, since one of the points of this is for you to regularly update your answer with extra details,...

discussion

That was last year though

RhysW

:O just noticed that the guy whose tutorial guide i linked to earlier has done a bunch more all relating to what i am trying to do! This is going to save me so much time

Lokkij

:D

RhysW

@Lokkij was a winner ever chosen?

Lokkij

It wasn't a contest, I think

RhysW

"That's because at the end of the year, the most voted project will be declared the most popular and will receive a prize."

Lokkij

20:53

Oops!

RhysW

ooh i spy Tallowmere

TheMuffinCoder

i really just want to make a game to publish to the ps4

:P thats why I bought one in the first place :3

RhysW

oh that reminds me it was greenlit recently wasn't it, better go see if i can buy it

Hjorthenify

@RhysW "recently"

Lokkij

store.steampowered.com/app/340520

RhysW

20:54

@Hjorthenify I have a warped sense of time :P

Almo

21:09

:D

RhysW

@Lokkij Did you ever finish Mentality ?

Lokkij

Nope, it proved to be too ambitious for one programmer and one other guy

They're doing something similar in the CardShifter room though: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16134/cardshifter-tcg

I'm now creating an XCOM-like with a couple (inexperienced) friends

RhysW

ooh that sounds good, i played and enjoyed the new xcom for ages, looking forward to the one they are currently making

Lokkij

Yeah I'm very excited about XCOM 2

Our game will be much simpler though :P

RhysW

:D hows it going so far?

Lokkij

21:16

Pretty well! I had to teach them about concepts like functions and classes because their informatics classes in school turned out to be shit, so it progressed more slowly than expected.

TBH, I could probably complete it more quickly without them, but they provide motivation and it's more fun.

We currently have a grid with walls (friend is working on more intelligent map generation) where you can select and move soldiers (represented by cubes)

They can attack eachother and do other simple things, but not much else

I'm currently working on the structure for special abilities

RhysW

yeah i imagine its more fun to have other people to work with. still sounds like progress is being made though! Best way to learn is to try and fail repeatedly anyway

Lokkij

Yep! I'm confident I've failed enough now to be able to prevent this project from turning into spaghetti mess

Lokkij

21:30

FINALLY finished that assignment

RhysW

which one?

Lokkij

For my intro to AI class; had to find an analyze some piece of recent interdisciplinary research related to AI and had to analyze visual perception as it applies to the game of Set

RhysW

i understood about 5% of that

but congrats for finishing it!

Lokkij

Haha thanks

Well I'm going to bed now. o/

RhysW

yeah good idea me too cya all

TheMuffinCoder

21:42

@Lokkij ooo sounds interesting :D

; - ; and I'm here learning boring biology

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