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00:32
crickets
01:03
wow, a slamming for being nice!
Well thanks santiago. Are you just being completely dismissive (and rather entitled because you've spent enough of your life answering questions here to have over 50 rep)? Or are you simply being completely pragmatic and telling me it's useless to even try to work around being a second-class citizen here? — Daniel Scott 4 mins ago
Get slammed for helping new members - can't win at all...
01:51
hello @ManishEarth
hello @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
hmm
user161117
02:23
Heya
user161117
What's up
hello @StevenGrigsby
user161117
Are you familiar with polyprotic titrations?
I am afraid not
user161117
I haven't really studied them in a while but kinda wanted to review them haha
user161117
02:26
I always kinda disliked titrations
I am a chemistry enthusiast (PhD in a different field)
user161117
Oh cool, which field?
image sensor applications
user161117
That sounds interesting, so I imagine you're doing Fourier transforms all day long or what
nah, I have other hobbies
am more of a practical scientist
user161117
02:31
Ah, still what are examples of image sensor applications? For instance I am really interested in the idea that in the not too distant future spectrometers that can look at uv-visible-infrared light put on smartphones might be interesting to create some fun things for everyday people to identify compounds, purity of things they're buying, or who knows what. Maybe it wouldn't be so great
that's related to my area of research
@santiago I'm asleep. Don't ping me.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M oh sorry, my psychic abilities must be failing me...
how was I supposed to know that you were asleep??
user161117
Yeah sleeping people don't respond
user161117
he's lying
user161117
02:46
we got a troll in the chem chat ppls :O
the ping could have woken him up
either way
I'm out of here before I get banned for anything
user161117
lol
user161117
gotta keep the eCookies safe
08:24
@StevenGrigsby I'm a little fan of titrations
08:37
@StevenGrigsby nah, much simpler than that - simply don't want the hassle of a ban for not magically knowing that someone was "asleep"
good morning o/
 
2 hours later…
10:32
@pH13 \o
@StevenGrigsby Where? :O
10:50
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M o/
 
2 hours later…
12:59
Hi everyone!
13:12
hi guys
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Q: banned from chat?

santiagoOkay, this is weird and somewhat disconcerting - for the past few hours, I have not been able to access the Periodic Table (as in enter it, I can see it though). The last message to me from a room owner was to not ping him as he was "sleeping", which I could not have known, and I only pinged him...

14:04
@Kartik Hi!
@ToddMinehardt Hullo!
Who banned santiago?
Hi @all!
@Martin-マーチン \o
@Martin-マーチン No one I think.
there are only three room owners, one is MIA and I was out drinking...
that leaves YOU!
Muhahaha
OK I killed @Sant and now his soul is crying on the meta.
lol
But @santiago is still pingable
ping ping ping @santiago
14:09
No room owner acted on Santiago's account
wow, hi @MadScientist... long time no see ;)
Naaah I was not really implying that @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M had anything to do with it
just trying a very low hanging fruit
14:24
@Martin-マーチン o/
The answer of me is funny ... added ~4000 characters ... xD
ahhh the rogue room owner is still alive...
@Martin-マーチン ?
14:27
I have to pay attention ... whatever I ask might get interpreted by @Loong as a dating question
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M WHY DID YOU BAN SANTIAGO???
Bad bad iranian room owner :/
@pH13 This is not a dating service.
haha... just joking
@pH13 This is not a dating service. ​
@Martin-マーチン This is not a dating service.
14:28
15 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@pH13 This is not a dating service. ​
@Martin-マーチン This is not a dating service. ​
Are you sure?
come on... say it again
@Martin-マーチン This is not a dating service.
what else happens in the world?
Somehow my gf was not amused our dating plans, @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
What is Rummel in english? That happens here
14:32
you gotta give her some sugar sometimes...
@pH13 You mean fair? Or do you mean she is hostile right now?
No, just could not laugh as much as I did xD
And that I'm here on the Rummel/Kirmes/... ... don't know the translation :D
yeah... summer fair will do I think... carnival sometimes... festival...
Buy her ice cream. It's the answer to all things.
no, that's 42
That's too much ice cream
14:37
@Martin-マーチン That's a plagiarizm of ice cream.
Sooo... almost only 12 hours left until Iran is crushed by the USA....
@Martin-マーチン No it's Russia.
ohh damn... slipped in the date
yeah tomorrow you'll surrender to russia
In some game?
Volleyball
I watched the Nippon-Kanda game tonight
14:38
What's that?
these were probably the tallest japanese ever to be born
holy cow... they were like two meters high
and probably still only had like 60kg
@Martin-マーチン They're supposed to be 2 meters high/
that one dude looked like he'll break right in the middle
I should remember these moments.
If you live in a country where almost everyone is around 170cm... then you kind of feel for those volleyball players...
14:40

When Martin watches volleyball . . .

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Bookmarked 5 secs ago by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I am only slightly bigger than 180 and I already feel the problems with everything being sooooooo small
I'm sorry. I can't hear you over the sound of my laughing.
:D
I would fit in the masses ... xD
the class rooms are the worst... you can't sometimes move the chairs... making it a truly horrible horrible experience for your knees
Well I'm 16 and I'm 185 or 187. I must be a giant.
14:45
What do you have to do in class room? @Martin-マーチン
most of the times i play on my tablet there...
but the intent is usually to witness a seminar
and sometimes or seminar room is taken, so we have to move to the regular class rooms
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Here you would be one of the tallest for sure...
Talles is a Greek philosopher.
my friend from usa was about 195 and it was great having him around... you can never loose him in a big crowd like tokyo
@Martin-マーチン and sleep?
Wondering if @Mart fell asleep
15:00
Does anybody use a Retina Display or similar HD screen?
I would like to know which image looks better:
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A: Formatting Sandbox—please test stuff here

Loong Normal resolution, normal size: Normal resolution, “forced” to normal size: Double resolution, forced to half size: (To better see the difference, use the zoom feature in your web browser.)

I am not asleep.. but may be will be soon-ish
I don't use retina but I think Geoff does
@Loong 3rd one.
@Martin-マーチン You don't have eyeballs? O.o
hmmm... mayhaps
15:08
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M At normal 100 % zoom? Or only if you zoom in?
@Loong Both.
ok
15:19
allright y'all... nightynight!
@Martin-マーチン gute Nacht
@Martin-マーチン Night!
 
1 hour later…
16:37
@Steve @pH13 Talk with each other while I'm editing some things.
user161117
16:48
lol
user161117
is that how this works
user161117
don't ban me like u banned santiago pls
I didn't ban him. I killed him.
Room owner powers. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
I'm banning you in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5,  . . .
user161117
lol
16:54
4, 3, 2, 1
user161117
17:08
@StevenGrigsby You're beautiful, and I saved you. :)
Hullo @feetwet! Welcome to the Table!
Hi, thanks!
Oh, you a blue name? Scared
Ah, from LAW!
he he
Jim says hello. :)
17:15
Yes, from Law, so you should be extra scared ;)
Any ideas on how to get more attention to questions here? I've tried bounties but that doesn't work.
I'm wondering if maybe there's a seasonality to when experts are on here?
E.g., if they're all academics are they too busy starting courses or something?
@feetwet They sometimes pop in.
Remind me to remind them to remind themselves to answer your desiccant question.
Ha ha, I just posted a reminder to myself
@Steve here is a semi-expert himself.
So is @pH13.
user161117
I mean I am not super active
And @Martin son is your man if you want a book answer on DFT or B3LYP.
user161117
17:19
I can't even comment
@StevenGrigsby Just a free radical?
@StevenGrigsby But you can answer.
user161117
lol
user161117
What's your question feetwet
Thanks -- if anyone can glance at my recent questions without accepted answers
I think they're good, but maybe I'm missing something.
They're terrible . . .
. . . y good.
17:21
"Good" as in someone skilled in this art should be able to provide an answer
(And hopefully also "good" as in well-formed, on-topic, and widely interesting)
So you're working on photochem?
Aww, we need Klaus, I think.
No, that one was just a tangent that caught my interest
Right now I'm more interested in the apparatus and practical chemistry questions
So if anyone has lab experience I would imagine the pump and Graham condenser questions would be obvious.
And for theoretical chemists the desiccant and K vs Na questions should be easy.
Hmm, then Jan would've been your best shot, but I haven't seen her for a while.
@Bon do you explode stuff in labs?
bon
bon
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Not yet...not yet. My school would never let us do anything that fun/dangerous
But maybe now that I'm off to uni
user161117
Were you ever able to get this photolytic precipitation of ferrocyanide reaction twork
user161117
17:26
I haven't read it yet just sounds interesting on skimming
And like @iad22agp said, any hard-core theoretical chemists should find some of my earlier "model" questions worth addressing.
user161117
@bon I'm thinking about answering this question about the enol-keto tautomerization but
I still have the ferrocyanide solution sitting on the side of a workbench. I think it worked, but I haven't gotten back to adding a strong base to try to force out whatever iron is there, or do any other assays
bon
bon
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Q: Enolate-protonation

hannaAn enolate has two resonance structures. When it gets protonated, where is the $\ce{H+}$ more likely to go? On the oxygen to produce an enol, which tautomerizes to the ketone, or on directly onto the carbon (no enol intermediate). I know that both lead to the same product, but when drawing the me...

This one?
@StevenGrigsby Then do answer!
user161117
17:28
also you fixed "ketone" it should probably say "keto"
bon
bon
Why?
user161117
two reasons, one is that it's common language to say and
user161117
it's not necessarily a ketone
user161117
it can be an aldehyde
@StevenGrigsby Exactly, it just sounded interesting to me! But I've done more reading and gotten out of my depth on the metal species questions....
user161117
17:30
In organic chemistry, keto–enol tautomerism refers to a chemical equilibrium between a keto form (a ketone or an aldehyde) and an enol (an alcohol). The enol and keto forms are said to be tautomers of each other. The interconversion of the two forms involves the movement of an alpha hydrogen and the shifting of bonding electrons; hence, the isomerism qualifies as tautomerism. A compound containing a carbonyl group (C=O) is normally in rapid equilibrium with an enol tautomer, which contains a pair of doubly bonded carbon atoms adjacent to a hydroxyl (−OH) group, C=C-OH. The keto form predominates...
bon
bon
Yeah true. Changed it to carbonyl which covers all possibilites
user161117
Well that's not common organic chemistry phrasing, it is keto-enol not carbonyl-enol if that's what you're saying...
user161117
#_#
user161117
Honestly I don't feel like answering because this kids answer is found here on wikipedia
bon
bon
Ok I changed it to keto then
user161117
17:32
I also am not fully sure what his question is asking unfortunately I can't comment to ask for clarification
user161117
but he seems to have some misconception that one mechanism is more right than another despite both products being in equilibrium so idk I kinda wanted to at least address that
user161117
but that's not the answer the question wants
bon
bon
I would guess they get protonated at the oxygen because it has a stronger negative charge
user161117
Well
user161117
you can look up the alpha hydrogen pka vs alcohol pka to get a pretty good estimate since these are the conjugate bases
user161117
17:36
but I'd agree with you, oxygen is more electronegative so electron density will be higher there than at the alpha position
user161117
I just am hesitant to say anything based on a guess, I don't want to say something that sounds right theoretically but is experimentally wrong
@StevenGrigsby a) what do you want to know about comp chem books and b) about polyprotic acids?
user161117
Oh, which ones do you like and I just need to review like weak acid titrations for the chemistry GRE that I'll be taking in a bit, so I just was wondering if anyone could refresh my memory on the basics haha
@StevenGrigsby A lot of answers are almost just Wikipedia quotes.
user161117
I don't know if that's supposed to reassure me or not
17:46
That's supposed to mean go and answer already!
user161117
lol why
user161117
Put out some half-baked answers that may be wrong when someone could get just as good and probably more in depth info from wikipedia with sources actually cited?
The user can comment on your answer and you can bake it fully if it's wrong.
If it's right, profit.
user161117
I don't even want to answer questions here I just want to like have fun talking about chemistry that's why I'm in the chat lol
user161117
"profit"
17:48
Jeez whatever.
user161117
noooo stop selling these eCookies to me I've had it with these fake internet points already
I just wanted to give you some heart when you had the chance to be able to comment everywhere.
Points are fake, but they give you the chance to use the site in its fullest.
What. Ever. I'm outta here.
bon
bon
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A: Do enolates get protonated at the carbon or oxygen atom?

bonAttack on an enolate by an electrophile (in this case just a proton) is governed by the balance between electrostatic interactions, which are strongest at the oxygen atom due to its greater negative charge, and orbital interactions, which tend to be stronger at the carbon atom because the HOMO of...

There you go - I posted an answer
Now give me all your upvotes :D :D
@bon Downvoted. >:)
bon
bon
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