Not a bar, but plays one on TV

Pixie

12:59 AM

(Source.)

doppelgreener

that is marvellously cute

Pixie

2:32 AM

Discover Pokémon in the Real World with Pokémon GO!

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Pokemon's marketers know exactly what I want. (To be the very best. Like no one ever was.)

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trogdor

@Pixie somehow I kinda doubt Amethyst would be up for that

Pixie

@trogdor She's givin' it the old college try. She'll probably get bored and start spin-kicking things soon enough.

trogdor

yeah exactly

I see no scenario where it lasts long enough for her to learn something

well, maybe not none

but not a lot

doppelgreener

Steven talks her into it and she's going along with it for important reasons. (She still turns it into a lot of spin kicking.)

Pixie

She would definitely do it for Steven. Briefly.

After a bit of this.

trogdor

2:56 AM

yes

but it still isn't her "thing"

doppelgreener

She would do it if there were an existential threat, like a temple that needed ballet to pass through. She would be very frustrated by the whole thing, and at the very end of the temple, spin kick its heart as hard as she could and obliterate it. And then Garnet would come up and finish the job and watch calmly while Amethyst beats up walls and things because she needs it.

Pearl would be like "oh come on, it wasn't that bad!" and then praise everyone. (Garnet had to learn too, of course.)

Pixie

3:14 AM

I can only imagine: "Aren't you two cousins?" "..... right."

(It is so much funnier to imagine the entire dub as them going wink-nudge-we're-totally-cousins-wink-nudge-remember-"Brad.")

trogdor

3:30 AM

are you drawing a comparison to something?

Pixie

@trogdor Ah, sorry for lack of context. We've discussed it in chat before. In the SM dub, those two characters (who are lovers) are cousins, but they leave in pretty much all the romantic subtext.

trogdor

no I know about that

I saw people, mostly you I think, talk about it

I just wasn't sure if you were comparing it to something else

Pixie

No comparison, just amusing.

BESW

The Lion King, or The History of King Simba I - Summer of Shakespeare

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trogdor

oh ho ho

I did not see that comparison coming

I thought it was gonna be Hamlet

I am no Shakespearean expert though

Pixie

3:41 AM

Interesting thus far. I've never quite gotten the "Lion King = Hamlet with lions" thing for the reasons he outlines. Certainly, there are similarities, and it's been named as an inspiration, for what that is worth, but they're very different stories.

BESW

This is the wrap-up for his second "Summer of Shakespeare" series, and it's pretty cool to see the different ideas getting tied together and how he evolved his own opinions over that time. But on its own it works quite well too.

doppelgreener

I have only seen Reduced Hamlet.

trogdor

I read some Shakespeare

not much

and when I got to A Midsummer Nights Dream I got bored to death

Pixie

I had to study it, English degree. xD

We also studied most of the tragedies in elementary school. A few comedies, not nearly so many.

That was the first time I read Hamlet.

BESW

I have a minor Hamlet obsession, on par with my Batman obsession and for similar reasons.

Pixie

3:48 AM

"Hey... ever heard of Kimba the White Lion? No? Good. Then Disney has done its job." Heh.

doppelgreener

What is Hamlet about?

(The Reduced Hamlet was very reduced.)

BESW

Long version or short?

doppelgreener

Short please.

(Not as short as the reduced version, though.)

BESW

It's a revenge story about a prince who, after pretending to be mad (and maybe actually becoming mad) to buy time to wrestle with the ethics of the situation, kills his uncle for murdering his father. In the process almost everyone associated with him dies, culminating with the death of the prince himself and the bloodless takeover of his kingdom by a hostile neighbour.

gotta dash, ttfn

doppelgreener

Wow. Brutal.

Pixie

3:56 AM

Yep. At the end, people are just dying left and right.

trogdor

yeah

Pixie

"Oh, Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. The vampire army has taken the city!" "We must check the castle tower and make sure that no vampire have gotten into our... home base." (Not actually about Hamlet, and very NSFW for language. But I will think of it any time Hamlet is mentioned.)

trogdor

basically everyone dies

Miniman

Hamlet is certainly one of the more tragic of the tragedies.

Some of the others actually have happy endings.

Pixie

4:19 AM

@BESW Having gotten through it all, I like the conclusion of this video a lot.

Adeptus

4:57 AM

@trogdor The 1999 movie with Kevin Kline was quite good I thought. Haven't actually read the original, or seen any other versions (that I can remember)

trogdor

well that is a movie

it by default would cut through a lot of the filler

BESW

7:52 AM

Most film versions of Hamlet--and indeed most of the stage plays--cut out the international politics subplot entirely. Makes it really confusing when Fortinbras shows up at the end.

SPArchaeologist

@Pixie as I said before you also have Fushigi Umi no Atlantis and many others... :P

SPArchaeologist

8:32 AM

@Pixie Wait, weren't you talking about Hamlet? When did the discussion move to Games of Thrones? ^_^

BESW

SPArchaeologist

Knight of Ratatosk - [Chronicles] Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of The New World #2

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BESW

I knew a jerk like that once.

He didn't have enough hair to flip so insouciantly, though.

SPArchaeologist

at least the rest of the game give him some sort of motivation for behaving that way.

This clip is pretty near the start.

trogdor

9:03 AM

@SPArchaeologist I think I played this one

seems pretty familliar

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor Well, most of the "Tales of" games share a common art style.

trogdor

9:29 AM

well I think I also remember the main character

and that guy talking to him

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor wait wait wait, that one is the "character you are stuck with for most of the game". The main character is still Lloyd :P

trogdor

lol

my definition of main character IS "the guy you are stuck with most of the game"

I am aware Lloyd is still in this game, along with at least most of his party

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor nope, that is the definition of "Playing character". The definition of main character is "the guy you want to play as for most of the game"

trogdor

lol

SPArchaeologist

so, by definition, FF7 main character is Zack :P

trogdor

9:38 AM

yeah fair enough

nope

Sephiroth

SPArchaeologist

and you cannot really say much on this one since even Cloud seem to think the same.

trogdor

or maybe Barret or Red 13 or even Vincent

definitely not cloud really, though he does have a huge sword

I mean, red 13 is awesome

and Barret has a gun for a hand

who doesn't want that in a main character

basically every other character was cooler than Cloud was, if mostly because he had certain issues XD

even Tifa was beating things to death with her fists

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor well, Barret has that problem with the translation.

"he resembles Mr. T. He must talk like Mr. T"

trogdor

though Yuffie did steal my stuff

that wasn't cool

@SPArchaeologist eh, that was ignorable, at least for me, at the time

SPArchaeologist

Hope the remake will remove that

trogdor

9:43 AM

yeah

honestly, I am more or less just expecting it to ruin a bunch of stuff

SPArchaeologist

anyway, I still think the plot would have been better without Tifa if you just discovered in disk 2 that this "Cloud" was actually Zack :P

@trogdor at least she had some reason. And if even candy-colored-ponies most of the time forget that they may actually resolve problems just by talking, what did you expect from a teenager ninja just meet in the middle of nowhere?

trogdor

@SPArchaeologist well I didn't know her reason at the time

still, it isn't like I was lobbying to kill her for it

I was just really mad

as I think is reasonable when someone steals really valuable stuff from you

then I think she even ended up leading you into an ambush too at some point?

might have been inadvertent, but still

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor didn't mean that. I just meant that at least she isn't Wirt.

trogdor

9:59 AM

all I am saying is that she lost points for that

I think that is reasonable enough

but everyone makes mistakes

it isn't like I threw the game away when she joined my party

I did almost quit at the end, but that is for other probably more obvious reasons

I think my brother and I had to go back and lvl a bit for the final fight

SPArchaeologist

@trogdor never said the opposite, I just said that at least she had some motivation. I can think of some games character that didn't share the same luck in "good character design"

trogdor

yeah

there are definitely plenty of those

SPArchaeologist

Also, I can think of one pirate girl navigator that could have used the same "please talk" hints instead of disappearing with the ship somehow like Yuffie did.

trogdor

10:22 AM

not sure what that is a reference to

BESW

10:48 AM

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SPArchaeologist

@trogdor One Piece - Nami

trogdor

ah

SPArchaeologist

the whole events culminates in this scene, which for me is still one of the best one in the show. Obvious spoiler if you ever want to watch it.

Luffy... Help me.

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Yep, this is a little more than what Yuffie had to work with.

But you know, it is a shonen, it is meant to be epic.

F.E.V. as always.

BESW

12:17 PM

@AlexMitan [poke]

Alex Mitan

@BESW [poke back]

What's up?

BESW

Thought you might like to see a page from my bullet journal.

Alex Mitan

I would!

BESW

Alex Mitan

I'm trying to organise a kind of database of stuff and notes... so obviously I need some notes to design it

Oooh, okay, that's so cute

what are the tickboxes?

BESW

12:19 PM

It starts with my "What I'm going to do today" planning where I lay down what I really need to do, and stuff that's got times.

The tickboxes are tasks that I can check off when I'm done.

Like, I did the sword and the poster but not the road sign for the Rashomon job, so I checked off those bits and migrated the rest of the job to the next day's page.

Then you can see where I just started dropping in thoughts and notes: there's some ideas on animals for my Fate game, and some notes about RGB colour numbers for the project I was working on so I wouldn't forget them.

So I started my day lining up what I wanted to do, and then I added more to the page as I worked.

Alex Mitan

Hm, okay

what's the Island Rule?

BESW

In small, isolated biomes, big creatures get smaller and small creatures get bigger.

Alex Mitan

[intrigued]

BESW

It's not, strictly speaking, true--it's an outdated concept--but it's a good guideline to think about for Weird Stuff in my game.

Alex Mitan

What would an example of this be?

BESW

12:24 PM

Foster's rule

Foster's rule (also known as the island rule) is a principle in evolutionary biology stating that members of a species get smaller or bigger depending on the resources available in the environment. For example, it is known that pygmy mammoths evolved from normal mammoths on small islands. Similar evolutionary paths have been observed in elephants, hippopotamuses, boas, deer (for example Key deer) and humans. It was first stated by J. Bristol Foster in 1964 in the journal Nature, in an article titled "The evolution of mammals on islands". In it, he studied 116 island species and compared them to...

Alex Mitan

[tries to contain OMG PYGMY MAMMOTHS]

what's Weird Stuff?

BESW

I use it as a catch-all phrase to describe the sorts of Mad Science and Supernatural Weirdness that my campaign is about.

In this particular case... [rummages around for elevator pitch]

Spoilers in the Spoil-Lair.

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